daimo

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I'm forgetful.  please show me my post.  thanks.

Lik

Without pressure or challenge,
why would they want to give up the power and privileges?
and be a faithful  politician?
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-12-14 11:20

Exactly. And this is especially difficult in post-Cultural Revolution China because all the proper moral ideals and altruism have been thoroughly destroyed. Greed, selfishness, and blind patriotism are all that remains after Murderous Mao's reign.

-Lik

BiscottiGelato

Far from ideal?
The CCP is turning the clock back to pre-1989.
Back then  China was still poor, now  ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-12-14 10:49

It's your opinoin that China is still pre-1989 economically or in terms of civil liberty. A lot of people will disagree.

Pressure or challenge is good, if founded based on fact and are realistically constructive in nature. A lot of them aren't and probably make the people in power even more weary on giving up power.

The best way to instigate meaningful change, IMO, is education and time. With more and more top tier Chinese in leadership position receiving education in free thinking institution across the world, and the common people getting more basic education. I'm sure change, albeit slowly, will come. I personally hope to see more slow, but steady improvement than to expect dramatic changes, which usually accompanies catastrophies as evident through out history.

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BG, what you said is also almost quoted right out of my brain.
daimo 發表於 2010-12-14 11:13

Haha. I'd take that as an agreement and approval.

BiscottiGelato

Exactly. And this is especially difficult in post-Cultural Revolution China because all the proper  ...
Lik 發表於 2010-12-14 11:55

That's why China is at least 200 years behind. 100 from occupation and invasion, another 100 by Mao's Cultural Revolution and Big Leap Forward and other destructive policies. IMO the current pace of recovery is not too bad already. Obviously kinda like your salary, the faster the increase the better. But gotta be realistic sometimes too~

sheep

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“我绝不认为中国的落伍是几个昏君造成的，而是每个人造成的，因为制度是人创造的，中国的所有悲剧，都是中国人自编自导自演和自我欣赏的，这可能与人种有关。”对于金钟问“什么条件下，中国才有可能实现一个真正的历史变革”的问题，刘晓波毫不犹豫地回答：“三百年殖民地。香港一百年殖民地变成今天这样，中国那么大，当然需要三百年殖民地，才会变成今年香港这样，三百年够不够，我还有怀疑
soli 發表於 2010-12-12 20:34

對此
你點睇

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sheep 發表於 2010-12-14 14:11

I don't know if it's true. Neither do I know the context of the quote.

But based just on the face of the words, of course it's a very pessimistic view. His pessmism on his own kind is very sad.