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本帖最後由 daimo 於 2011-4-17 13:20 編輯
回復  rockypath

Western countries came up with democracy.  also, if you dig into history, the idea of democracy already seeded since ancient Greek.   

rainbow-davie 發表於 2011-4-16 17:01


well, i think we should consider the fact that back in the Greeks/Romans days, only the citizens could vote.

But there were more slaves than citizens ...

And there were many vassal states ...

what does it tell us?

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I think dictatorship can only grow to certain size and stuck though.
Dictatorship is very risky, but if the top is doing so bad, a revolution will start anyways.
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本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-4-17 13:29 編輯
I think dictatorship can only grow to certain size and stuck though.
Dictatorship is very risky, but ...
Prelude 發表於 2011-4-17 13:18


A dictatorship is where the leader tries to pass the position to his sons or daughters. e.g North Korea, many African and middle east countries.

So mainland China is not a dictatorship. The Chinese leaders are just bureaucrats that implement the policies. China is more like Singapore or Japan where there is 1-party rule or near 1-party rule.

The important thing is how to change China, in the future, into a 2-party system(parties that are big enough to get elected)  like the US, Canada or UK. Too many political party is bad for any country especially developing countries.

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    咁你可唔可以保證中共一定會次次select到好既或正常既領導人呀? 如果一個唔好彩又一個毛頭出見, 你話我知, without民主制度, 國民點去踢走佢?

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    咁你可唔可以保證中共一定會次次select到好既或正常既領導人呀? 如果一個唔好彩又一 ...
rainbow-davie 發表於 2011-4-17 15:05



If the citizens suffer too much, there will be a revolution and many people will die.
That's part of the deal.

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咁你可唔可以保證中共一定會次次select到好既或正常既領導人呀? 如果一個唔好彩又一個毛頭出見, 你話我知, without民主制度, 國民點去踢走佢?
rainbow-davie 發表於 2011-4-17 15:05

雖然我極其討厭中共,但今時今日,我都唔會太擔心中共最高領導人會爆多件毛賊咁嘅屠夫出來。其實自老鄧之後,中共領導人嘅個人獨自話事能力一屆不如一屆;江萬歲無能力可以好始老鄧咁話要天安門開鎗就開開鎗,而糊撚塗就更加連江萬歲可以勉強壓住軍委同黨內部各樣嘅不同意見。(當然,呢個唔淨係因為領導人個人能力有關...)

今時今日嘅共產黨,其實基本上係由中央政治局常委嘅一班(9個)人共同領導。糊撚塗理論上係大啲,但重要嘅決定、主要方向等等其實都要一班人大家四四六六傾掂佢。由其是係當政策會牽涉到黨內部唔同派別嘅利益果陣,根本其實就係同黑社會一班大佬響龍頭面前拆掂數一樣。而要入到中央政治局常委呢個核心,除咗要根正苗紅之外,每個常委亦都真係千錘百鍊、萬中選一,一層一層咁響黨內提昇上來。所以能力上,其實每個中央政治局常委都絕對係有嘅。

但最大嘅問題係,由於領導人始終都係由黨內自己拆掂數,而唔係人民選出來,所以要上位果啲人其實真由頭到尾都只需要取悅黨內嘅老細同元老,而並非要對人民負責。而因為唔需要對人民負責,所以先至會有咁多平民百姓被剝削。

呢個先至係無民主最大嘅問題。

-力

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雖然我極其討厭中共,但今時今日,我都唔會太擔心中共最高領導人會爆多件毛賊咁嘅屠夫出來。其實自老鄧之 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-4-17 17:22



First time I see your post not asking ppl to pk.  Good improvement.
And your post makes more sense too.

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本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-4-17 19:52 編輯
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    咁你可唔可以保證中共一定會次次select到好既或正常既領導人呀? 如果一個唔好彩又一 ...
rainbow-davie 發表於 2011-4-17 15:05


No, there is no guarantee to that. Same as the western democracy system, no one can guarantee a president elected will be a capable and suitable one.

Under current political system in China, “check-and-balance” mechanism is mainly done within the party itself – different power groups within the party and they, in a way, act as the opposition parties.

I am not sure whether people on LYK know that the political structure of China includes other political parties (民主黨派) as well for its political stability. Within its structure, there is an implicit rule that it must includes certain numbers or percentages of those 民主黨派人士 and actually hold administrative positions from bottom to the top (黨中央和人大). This actually provides the fostering ground for the forming of actual opposition party in China.

I know a mainland Chinese personally and he purposely joined one of the eight 民主黨派 sine he believed it will help him advance faster and higher within the political structure. He has been actually doing pretty well.

If China one day will actually have an opposition party, I believe it will be one of the eight 民主黨派 which is already part of the political structure and possibly have the ability and human resources to run the country when it needs to take over the administrative power. But not the 法輪功 or 社民連!

It has been a GREAT discussion! People can discuss peacefully and objectively, and most importantly – allowing different voices to be heard.

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No, there is no guarantee to that. Same as the western democracy system, no one can guarantee a pr ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-4-18 11:46

乜大陸有民主黨派架咩? 果d 民主黨派講既野, 共產黨會唔會當佢地發up 風?
我真係唔知大陸會有民主黨派架... 係唔係好似d 空殼公司咁得個殼?

-- 乜都唔係咁知既 MJJ

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