peter236

原帖由 Serenade 於 2008-10-27 07:17 發表
Peter236, you don't have to insult someone to get the point across, I get your logic, but you don't have proofs to backup your points... Here are a few facts: I have a friend who works as a producer a ...

I don't even care about Fairchild, but found your bashing really baseless. You are making so many wild claims here. You have to provide proofs for all you wild claims here. Singtao Canada is owned by Toronto Star like I said. Do your own research again. There is no way Fairchild can influence Singtao. Everyone in Hong Kong knows that ATV has been losing money for decades because they have been making crappier programs than TVB, not because they treated their people "better".
You claimed that c9s are stupid, older Chinese people are dumb and the Chinese people in general cannot perform "critical think", therefore they continue to watch Fairchild. What a ton of insult from you to the Chinese community? Somehow you are superior?
There are so many alternatives like free Channel M Chinese news and TVB dramas and programs are available on DVD. No one is forced to subscribe from Fairchild.

[ 本帖最後由 peter236 於 2008-10-27 14:18 編輯 ]

Serenade

Peter236, this is written in Wikipedia:
"Fairchild is jointly operating AM1540 with Sing Tao (Toronto). Some radio personalities from Fairchild Radio Toronto - FM 88.9 are being transferred to the new station."

BTW, the above quote is most likely written by Fairchild Group's people... The whole Wiki sounded like an Ad.

They are business partners, don't you think that's influencial enough?
Everyone in HK eh? Have you ever been into ATV?
Gosh, I don't understand how you can claim that when you haven't even been into ATV... Do you have friends working on both sides of the TV channels? Are you working in this field. Don't make claims like that when you don't have solid proof. Go look up the history of HK broadcasting, you will be surprised.

Your argument is basically flawed.
I claim that the Chinese community and C6's do not generally do not do critical thinking when it comes to the media. Fairchild is a bad media group that reports biased news, making it a bad influence in the Chinese community. It has nothing to do with why they are continuing to watch Fairchild. DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH! BTW, this social phenomena is the same in the US, where a lot of US citizens believe in controlled medias.

BTW, this has nothing to do with people being "stupid" it's just people rely and trust the media, yet certain media broadcasters are just biased.

[ 本帖最後由 Serenade 於 2008-10-28 07:39 編輯 ]

Serenade

And again, don't get me wrong or try to bend my words.
THERE ARE some great talents in Fairchild too, young and bright ones, skilled veteran actor and actresses, etc. The bad part of the group is the management.

I am saying, people shouldn't really work for a group like this and start thinking more for themselves. I keep telling my friends to stay away from such an evil company. And by my standard, Thomas Fung as the owner isn't any better.

Seriously people, stay away from anything Fairchild if you can. It's not doing the society any good.

peter236

原帖由 Serenade 於 2008-10-27 15:28 發表
Peter236, this is written in Wikipedia:
"Fairchild is jointly operating AM1540 with Sing Tao (Toronto). Some radio personalities from Fairchild Radio Toronto - FM 88.9 are being transferred to the new ...

Your claim that Fairchild has influence over Singtao is ridiculous. Just because they are partners does not mean Fairchild can influence the partner. Singtao is part of Toronto Star. Why would Toronto Star listen to Fairchild like you claimed? Singtao Vancouver has reported Sunday's incident in Aberdeen Center on the Monday's front page. So there was no cover up of Sunday's incident.
Your claim that Chinese people and Americans are too dumb to select their media is ridiculous. Somehow we should instead believe what you are saying is authoritative?

You don't have a clue about ATV and you claimed you know about ATV? If ATV cannot produce a better product then it deserves to lose money.
If all your so-called DJ friends are that good, they should have gone back to HK directly for jobs in top HK radio stations in the first place, instead of scrapping for a lowly job at Fairchild. These are just people who would have gone back to HK anyways, no matter which company they worked for here. Of course, after they got some experience at Fairchild, they started to bad mouth Fairchild.

[ 本帖最後由 peter236 於 2008-10-27 17:41 編輯 ]

sheep

原帖由 peter236 於 2008-10-27 17:21 發表


Singtao Vancouver has reported Sunday's incident ...

It is all because MingPao also in the front page too.....
Be careful, Mr. Fung has donated 20000 dollars to UBC Communication faculty,
they want to train new media personnel.
God bless our society

[ 本帖最後由 sheep 於 2008-10-27 17:28 編輯 ]

peter236

原帖由 sheep 於 2008-10-27 17:24 發表

It is all because MingPao also in the front page too.....

What stupid logic is this? How do they know in the early morning Mingpao also has it on the front page even before Mingpao's Monday paper is published.
What if Singtao does not have it on the front page? You would have bashed Fairchild and Singtao. Now they have it on front page. You still bash them. It seems you win both ways, LOL.

Vancouver Sun does not have it on the front page. Maybe you can claim Fairchild controls Vancouver Sun, LOL.

[ 本帖最後由 peter236 於 2008-10-27 17:30 編輯 ]

Serenade

原帖由 peter236 於 2008-10-28 09:21 發表


Your claim that Fairchild has influence over Singtao is ridiculous. Just because they are partners does not mean Fairchild can influence the partner. Singtao is part of Toronto Star. Why would Toron ...

Gosh... stop putting words in my mouth. I never said Chinese people and Americans are "dumb", I never used such a word, stop generalizing and start focusing on reading what people said.

I never said that what I said is authoritative. All I claimed is that, I got facts to back up my points, and that I had done my part of the research to back up what I said. Do you? I had at least worked in the media field, had you?

Peter236, you clearly have no idea on how the media business work and that there is no reason for them not to control the flow of information publicated. No matter what you say, Singtao will no doubt have a softened tone when reporting on the incident. There are lots of ways to write an article and the tone of the articles changes the reader's perception of the whole incident, THAT, is the power of media. We have to read multiple sources to gain a certain general perspective on what actually went on. You really should try taking SFU's Communication courses, it might really help you on understanding the world around you.

As for those DJ's whom I know, I never said that they are good, only one of them was REALLY good, and that's Man-Jeng. And he went back to HK to pursue a bunch better career. Frankly, I think the other 3 are just crappy, cause they are not exactly professionals anyways... Just a bunch of school dropouts who ended up becoming so called DJ's because they went into that DJ training program. BTW, according to what they told me, they didn't get paid at all back when they first started. They were doing volunteer work and getting midnight shifts just because the radio station wanted someone to fill the blocks. FREE WORK?! I mean... they had paid so much to get into that so-called training program, and after that they even have to do free work as a DJ?! That's just plain rip-off... Seriously, I have never seen such a cheap organization.

Yes, ATV's production are no good, and that they really do deserve to lose money against such a strong rival (TVB). But ATV has got a better image in the media industry, and that's a fact. At least ATV understand what corporate responsibility is and treat their employees like human. Talking to all the people working in the industry really helps understand what's going on inside. You should try too Peter.

BTW, I never bashed on Singtao, I just said that they have influence in Singtao, I never said anything about the frontpage or what yes/ what not. Peter, you really have to start reading people's posts before accusing others of things alright? Otherwise, you are just gonna be fighting a losing argument.

peter236

原帖由 Serenade 於 2008-10-27 19:21 發表

Gosh... stop putting words in my mouth. I never said Chinese people and Americans are "dumb", I never used such a word, stop generalizing and start focusing on reading what people said.

I never said ...

Comeon, you are in Japan right? So you did not even have a chance to read Monday's Singtao. More wild claims from you that Fairchild has influence over Singtao.. All I can tell you is that there are pictures on the whole front page of Singtao. The headline used big Chinese characters. The whole story plus pictures occupies 3/4 of the front page. The bottom is just advertisement. How would they have reported similar incidents if happened elsewhere?
Maybe some LYKs should make a copy of the front page and post it here just to satisfy you.

If ATV wanted to treat their people better than they should have produced better products and made more money and then paid more bonuses. That's the way to treat them better. TVB does have much better image in the public. They have much better production, does more charity shows for the community and pay their employees much better when they make much more money.

[ 本帖最後由 peter236 於 2008-10-27 20:00 編輯 ]

starbug

原帖由 sheep 於 2008-10-27 17:24 發表

It is all because MingPao also in the front page too.....
Be careful, Mr. Fung has donated 20000 dollars to UBC Communication faculty,
they want to train new media personnel.
God bless our society ...

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Serenade

PETERRRRRR READ PEOPLE'S POSTS CAREFULLY!!!!
Geez, as business partners, there has gotta be influences on both sides. Either you are too naive to admit the fact that the world is evil, or you are just siding whichever sides for certain reasons. and whether it posted that this morning doesn't really matter anyways, they are in relation, that's a fact.

You know, it's not easy to hold up a TV station, once again, go do some research on ATV's background. it will do you good.