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原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-10 02:46 發表

Now you assume that Christians in general don't have any of these 8 things. Who tell you Christians with one or more of these 8 things are abnormal? This might be the most general and common case of  ...


Looks like you don't understand the difference between:
1) Not assuming
vs
2) Assuming Christian in general don't have any of these 8 things

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Don't want to waste time to argue pointless defensive response. How about I change the title to "Most 基督徒's八大惡劣特徵"? Feeling better and more realistic now?

The fact is, since human is not perfect, any Christian would have a little 惡劣特徵 anyways. And that might not included in the 8 things. One example of it is, they don't want to face the truth.

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mo 9 liu....

go back to church and debate all you want
Property of 美少女廚神 Connie

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原帖由 chunsh 於 2009-1-10 03:54 發表


good for you that u have find a way to be happy in your life
and I wish my observation to the christians/chirstianality/churches nowaday is correct: They won't do too much hard-sell to non-believers and spreading their religion by stepping on other people's religion.

let me share mine exp
instead of reading a book with nobody can claim he/she understand the true meaning of each sentence of the bible by the name of god. I would like to 體驗這個世界 by reading news, uncensored real-life video/pictures in battle fields, 3rd worlds 來斷定究竟神的愛是不是滿佈這個世界

if I think back, I think 我和你既相似又不像
我小時候在香港是在天主教 & 基督教學校度過了九年歲月
在開頭的7-8年我有用心上聖經課﹐早會時候會參與pray﹐我沒有領洗﹐不會每餐飯之
前都pray, 沒有每星期返gatherings。 但我對Bible teachings 並沒有抗拒。並覺
得世界應該真的是有神的愛exist somewhere。但最後的一年﹐我開始不信了﹐總覺得那些teaching有些不對勁。至於那些不對勁﹐我不知道﹐亦不理會。

後來到了加拿大﹐開頭的兩年比較多點時間去想些東西(即係無聊)﹐又開始留意時事﹐看電視新聞﹐讀報(正版同社論)開始更加對聖經teachings同關於神的愛的事情更加質疑。曾和一些基督徒討論﹐但都沒有結果。有人問我為何我不去找牧師討論呢。我有想過﹐但as time goes by﹐ 我覺得沒有必要。 先不說那些什麼神造論 / big bang 論﹐什麼自有永有成不成立﹐我發覺﹐這個世界﹐每天﹐每時每分每秒都有無辜的人枉死(被謀 / 屠殺, cancer, accident etc)﹐而那個常常都高高在上的﹐所謂滿佈慈愛的神﹐有能力去無所不用其極的對異己屠殺(自己看舊約聖經同last chapter of bible) 卻對現今的人見死不救!!!!

有基督徒和我說﹐那些人受苦 / 被殺害是因為人類自己作的"業"﹐好像那些挑起戰爭的政府﹐毒犯﹐etc。唔聽由自可﹐聽左把幾兩把火! 對﹐ 是人類自己挑起戰爭﹐所以他們的國民才會枉死﹐挨hungry and then die with agony。但看著那些在圖中 / video中被炸到所有粉身碎骨既兒童 / 老弱﹐我問﹐為什麼死的不是那些挑起戰爭的狂人﹐而是兒童呢? 為什麼受苦的﹐會是抱著自己孩子屍體的母親呢? 之後我有再問﹐但答案都只有令我更加失望同光火。我開始覺得﹐我小時候那9年的生活中﹐ 俾人昆左。俾人昆左﹐就梗係更加不認同那些teachings了

而今年﹐我有機會去參與2﹐3次一個教會的gatherings﹐ 有分享﹐有聽道。但更加發覺他們大部份所講的道理我都不認同﹐and無意間被我發覺信眾之中出現了那8個問題:
自命屬靈、排斥異己  (please note, I was not the one who was being targeted)
教派衝突、狗咬狗骨  (this is second time I heard about the disagreement
about some chirstianality teachings between different group of christian)

I was like...."forget it man. you guys have fun, see ya!"
但同時﹐我also發覺現今的教會對傳道和對其他宗教的表面態度有別與從前。起碼﹐並沒有好像我的中學老師那樣 insult 其他宗教。這是一件好事。

chunsh:
while listening to your story, I feel bad for you...
至於那些不對勁﹐我不知道﹐亦不理會.

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原帖由 samsung 於 2009-1-10 13:39 發表

chunsh:
while listening to your story, I feel bad for you...
至於那些不對勁﹐我不知道﹐亦不理會.



ok, maybe my post was too long, the age while I "至於那些不對勁﹐我不知道﹐亦不理會" was about 15-16years old
boys around that age in hk secondary school are more concern about basketball than anything

and later on I found out the what where wrong by myself. either from news and from my exp in some church groups

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原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-10 07:40 發表
Don't want to waste time to argue pointless defensive response. How about I change the title to "Most 基督徒's八大惡劣特徵"? Feeling better and more realistic now?

The fact is, since human is not per ...


Regardless of how you change your title, the thread is still sterotyping a group of people, which, in our Canadian society is unaccetpable.  The problem with sterotyping is that it cloud your mind into thinking your own view do respresent the mass, regardless of facts.

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原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-10 19:54 發表


Regardless of how you change your title, the thread is still sterotyping a group of people, which, in our Canadian society is unaccetpable.  The problem with sterotyping is that it cloud your mind i ...


wow, miss austin is coming back again

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原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-10 19:54 發表


Regardless of how you change your title, the thread is still sterotyping a group of people, which, in our Canadian society is unaccetpable.  The problem with sterotyping is that it cloud your mind i ...


really unacceptable?
I always heard some LYK always said that the people who work in Canada are more in slacking atttiude. THis is a sterotype too. um.....where were u, Austin

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原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-10 18:54 發表


Regardless of how you change your title, the thread is still sterotyping a group of people, which, in our Canadian society is unaccetpable.  The problem with sterotyping is that it cloud your mind i ...

I wonder if you know the meaning of stereotyping? Stereotyping means all of a kind, which I changed to most of a kind already, means not stereotyping.

Moreover, how if I open a thread and say: "Most (or even all) Christians are kind people" and "Most (or all) Christians feel more mercy"? Would you (people) say I'm stereotyping and stop me saying that? People (maybe especially most Christians) just want to hear nice comments, they just bounce back all the negative even it's constructive comments. 問心la!

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原帖由 angeldevil 於 2009-1-10 00:27 發表


I understand where do all these 8 points come from coz i've been to this kind of situation...
but now i'm confident enough to say that I disagree...

You disagree because you had gone thru it. But then, this implies it is like a "must go thru stage" for all Christians? That means all these 8 points are somehow valid, at least in a certain stage.

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