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I totally get your points, and it's not a easy problem to fix now because the Liberals screwed it up by freezing it for 8 years.  How stupid is that.  It doesn't even match inflation, which means poor ...
shutterbug 發表於 2009-5-14 13:06


under NDP, small businesses were out of business.
under Libs. small businesses are doing business.

hmm poorer get poorer? I don't see that it is getting worse.   lol.   I think the previous reform of EI had already given a better out-of-job security.
And if you are really poor, you don't have to pay for MDS, etc.

What my opinion is, minimum wage is good for provide minimum cost of living.  not minimum for cover good living.   And the wage should be determined by
1)  The market.
2)  The job performance rated by the employer.

My theory is, the government should provide minimum protect for wage, but the main focus is to improve the business environment & reducing the operation cost.  This will in turn increase the job market.  As the demand for staff increase, and the supply won't increase sharply (why? Open a business may require a number of staffs. -- elastic demand..  Local qualified people are fixed & migrated workers are uneasy -- inelastic supply).   Thus, it will cleary push the wage up without government intervention.  Good Example:  Alberta.  

So, that's what the government should do.  LOOK for long term & set up good environment.  NOt just giving out money, setting up strict rules for business.
You know, business cannot survive if there are too many retrictions. who will run a business under tough environment?  common sense.

Another example is.. Will your mom&dad invest money to provide your better grow-up environment, or will your parents let you grow up but just give you money each month?   Hey, it is another real example as we all know about this immigrants / oversea student problem.  Which one is better ?  you know the answer.

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本帖最後由 somewhereintime 於 2009-5-14 13:19 編輯
So raising minimun wage, which we are the second lowest in Canada but with highest cost of living, is not OK while giving a raise to his party is perfectly legit?  Where is the balance?

My view is t ...
shutterbug 發表於 2009-5-14 08:35

That is what NDP tells us.
Does raising minimum wage really help? I don't think so. It is so difficult to find good workers, only fast food franchise can manage to hire non-skilled staffs for minimum pay. My colleagues pay $17-19 hourly wages for dishwashers and even Chinese restaurants would  pay $2500 cash salary. The minimum wage   in Alberta is similar to BC but most people make $12-14 for entry level job. Imposing minimum pay would put a lot of small business out of business.
According to Federal's info,  Richmond is listed under the below-poverty level cities, why? simply because the residents do not pay tax on their oversea income!

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"Richmond is listed under the below-poverty level cities, "
really? hahahaah ridiculous.  But, you better not say it out... if Media finds it out, Revenue will knock everyone doors.. no good no good.. LOL

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"Richmond is listed under the below-poverty level cities, "
really? hahahaah ridiculous.  But, you better not say it out... if Media finds it out, Revenue will knock everyone doors.. no good no good.. ...
rainbow-davie 發表於 2009-5-14 13:27

It is facts, I read a lot of Fed documents since I work with Elections Canada

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I don't know about who can do business under which political party
I just know that when NDP took in charge, everyone who shouldn't go on strike, strike!!!

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本帖最後由 somewhereintime 於 2009-5-14 17:12 編輯
You people must love the Carbon Tax introduced by the Liberals?
eslmath 發表於 2009-5-14 16:09

Carbon tax is one single issue,
As long as the retail gas price is affordable, I try to live with.
Just cannot imagine doing business under NDP regime.

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You don't see how poorer gets poorer?  People who are getting min wage cannot even catch up to inflation.  Is that enough to say poorer gets poorer?  Maybe if you're not in this category, you will never be able to feel their pain.

Also, the previous reform of EI gave better job security?  I only know that they shorten the benefit period and more restrictions to qualify.  Is that better or worse?  Better for the government who's paying and worse for citizens.

Alberta is a different sceneario.  They have oil.  Do we have oil?  Oil companies drove the econ over there.  Their inflation is really high so their salary needs to match up.  If inflation is that high here, I don't think people can get by.  Some of them then will start making money illegally.

I agree with what you said that we should look long term.  However, how "far" should we do this?  By scraficing a lot of what I think necessities?  You know how long is the wait time for medical treatment right now?  Oh I see, so that they can bring in private clinics right?  I'm just saying we need a good balance.  I think BC is falling apart in other aspects beside business.

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68# shutterbug

Let's try to look at the same issue from a different perspective. Do you mind to explain why do you think business will do better, BC people will have a better life and the BC economy will continue to grow if NDP won the election and take over the office?

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