peter236

sure, I agree!
but 談判需要籌碼, can hk survive for a week without the support (any kind, water, f ...
chunsh 發表於 2010-5-18 22:10

Also, national defense.

rockypath

到呢度我就好想問吓阿石仔，既然五子全數重返議會，咁公投運動係輸定係贏呢？ ...
Lik 發表於 2010-5-18 22:49

Lik, you really disappointed me. Is this your true 理解和分析能力 or you just 死雞撐飯蓋?

First, who actually came out and voted? I would expect most of them are the base of 公社兩黨的基本盤 (20%). I would be VERY SUPPRISED if 公投五子 did not get over 80% of the votes.

Second, people who would vote against公投五子 had no choice but give up their votes because it was the only way they could cast their “NO” vote against公投五子. Twisting the way of interpreting the voting result is the democracy you praise and support, isn’t it?  

Third, 公社兩黨 could not even retain their own基本盤 (20%). So you tell me is it a success or failure?

mcjohnjohn

That's way too high la. Do you really think the garbage collectors here worth that much money?
Reme ...
peter236 發表於 2010-5-19 15:18

我覺得佢地值得賺一份可以供養自己同家庭既收入.
至於應該幾多人工先適合, 我真係唔清楚, 因為我未o係加拿大生活過.

mcjohnjohn

無錯，社民連的確係話對決模式變為數票模式，但之所以咁講其實就係因為基於建制派嘅縮骨同退卻，變相公投本身只要五子能夠重返議會，咁今次嘅新民主運動就已經係贏咗。而投票率同得票律越高，咁亦代表勝利越明顯。反之，假如五子當中任何一個被打落馬嘅話，咁就代表五區公投徹底失敗。
Lik 發表於 2010-5-19 14:49

當建制派唔選既時候, 佢地一早就知一定會贏, 冇可能只係set "只要五子能夠重返議會，咁今次嘅新民主運動就已經係贏咗" 呢個目標. 因為咁樣完全唔能夠令香港市民信服.

總投票律確實係比預期所低，呢個無需否認。但當中五子嘅得票律卻係超過8成。
到呢度我就好想問吓阿石仔，既然五子全數重返議會，咁公投運動係輸定係贏呢？

公投運動定輸贏? 唔係呀化, 當一個公投係玩架? 公投係民主運動, 一人一票去決定一d 事關重大既議題, 我覺得唔係用黎定輸贏law. 搞咁多野只係想為贏政府同建制派? 膚淺左少少law.

8）響好多地方，往年一貫征用嘅選舉投票站都無啦啦改咗去啲古靈精怪嘅地方。司馬超之心路人皆見，其實過中嘅目的咪又係想打擊選民投票嘅意欲，令到選民嫌麻煩就唔去投票？

d 人唔借個場出黎, 真係冇計架woh, 唔通即刻起個票站出黎咩... 你想政府點? 迫人地借個場出黎? 你估呢度係大陸咩...

9）響新界唔少鄉郊啲嘅地方其實都係嚮議局（亦即係建制派）嘅勢力範圍之內，有居民話啲鄉紳同村內有影響力嘅人士竟然暗示明示咁話邊個去投票就要後果自負，又或者北上嘅時候就知道。當然，呢啲說話法律上係犯咗刑事，但實際上就無從追究、無法入罪。

你有冇證據鋤得入? 有你send 比我, 我一定會入稟律政師告到佢地甩褲!

mcjohnjohn

我希望下次有一次真正的公平對決law

我諗今次之後，社民連都會學到D野，例如吾好講粗口同甘火爆
因為d人淨 ...
ricrick 發表於 2010-5-19 15:05

根本就係佢地包裝得唔好, 搞到公投好似一件好大逆不道既事咁, 好似唯恐世界不亂.
好多市民根本唔知公投既真正意義, 試問又點說服到人去投票呢?

mcjohnjohn

sure, I agree!
but 談判需要籌碼, can hk survive for a week without the support (any kind, water, f ...
chunsh 發表於 2010-5-19 14:10

越受迫害, 反抗力就越大!
而且阿爺唔會傻到行呢一步, 想比奧巴馬恥笑咩...

Lik

我頂... 話你無料就無料啦，仲成日叫其他人去做功課，但自己就乜Q野都唔做就除褲放屁～

First, who actually came out and voted? I would expect most of them are the base of 公社兩黨的基本盤 (20%). I would be VERY SUPPRISED if 公投五子 did not get over 80% of the votes.
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-19 00:04

唔該你睇下野先啦：

公、社兩黨兩次立法會選舉得票比較

港島區
2008年： 92,802　 2010年： 103,564　增幅： 11.5%

九龍西
2008年： 54,812　 2010年： 60,395　增幅： 10.2%

九龍東
2008年： 67,964　 2010年： 82,066　增幅： 20.7%

新界東
2008年： 84,720　 2010年： 108,927　增幅： 28.6%

新界西
2008年： 60,092　 2010年： 109,609　增幅： 82.4%

總得票
2008年： 360,390　 2010年： 464,561　增幅： 28.9%

資料來源：選舉事務處

同 08年嘅得票率相比，今次五區公投運動裡面每區都多咗得票，而總得票量嘅增長就更加係高達接近 3成。公社兩黨再勁都好，有無辦法可以響短短兩年時間之內可以增加 3成基本盤？

噢，真係唔好意思，我又試當場踢爆咗你添～

Second, people who would vote against公投五子 had no choice but give up their votes because it was the only way they could cast their “NO” vote against公投五子. Twisting the way of interpreting the voting result is the democracy you praise and support, isn’t it?  
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-19 00:04

之前我都話你唔X識咩叫做民主同選舉㗎啦？反對公投或五子嘅話，你咪一係投白票，一係投對家囉？白姐姐、李世鴻、陳國強呢啲隱形左派囉？你是但做一樣都已經係反對公投議題㗎喇！但一貫選舉慣例係，你唔投票就即係無意見，而唔係反對呀！一直扭曲議題果個係你呢啲鬼卒呀！

-力

Lik

當建制派唔選既時候, 佢地一早就知一定會贏, 冇可能只係set "只要五子能夠重返議會，咁今次嘅新民主運動就已經係贏咗" 呢個目標. 因為咁樣完全唔能夠令香港市民信服.
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-5-19 00:42

我亦非常佩服 MJJ你呢個縮骨擦鞋仔。

乜建制派唔選五子就一定會贏嘅呢咩？公社兩黨一直最擔心嘅係，阿爺一方面就話冷處理，但另一方面就暗啞底灌票俾其中某啲候選人，而毓民就一直係最高危嘅目標！射人先射馬，毓民既然係五區公投嘅始創人，打垮咗佢嘅話就更加能夠代表成個公投徹底失敗！從白老妖一直搞局，到謝偉俊響電台衝入錄音室挑釁毓民，毓民一直都係打擊目標。而毓民嘅擔心亦一直有響網台節目裡面同大家講，所以亦不斷叫支持者幫手拉票。

公投運動定輸贏? 唔係呀化, 當一個公投係玩架? 公投係民主運動, 一人一票去決定一d 事關重大既議題, 我覺得唔係用黎定輸贏law. 搞咁多野只係想為贏政府同建制派? 膚淺左少少law.
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-5-19 00:42

MJJ，唔該你唔好去矮化今次嘅公投運動。個公投議題係「踢走功能組別、盡快落實雙普選」。贏咗就即係得到選民嘅支持，輸咗就即係議題被選民 tur棄。

d 人唔借個場出黎, 真係冇計架woh, 唔通即刻起個票站出黎咩... 你想政府點? 迫人地借個場出黎? 你估呢度係大陸咩...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-5-19 00:42

你唔信就算，但係我會叫你去睇下報紙：

heading:
政府陰招 票站偏僻　印章漏墨選民斥政府刁難

-力

rockypath

我頂... 話你無料就無料啦，仲成日叫其他人去做功課，但自己就乜Q野都唔做就除褲放屁～


唔該你睇下野先啦 ...
Lik 發表於 2010-5-19 03:04

Lik, do you have the ability to 理性地看待和分析問題？

When there are no competing candidates who are competent, we all expect the numbers will rise. It is only you were surprised by that and so excited about it. 要學識從深層次去理解和分析；淨係從表面看問題就是和師奶一般見識。

Why don’t you read up some 時事評論 in Hong Kong and find out why all medias are saying this 變相公投徹底失敗，公社兩黨連基本盤都保唔住？ Don’t tell me all Hong Kong people were fooled by 中央和特首. I believe people in Hong Kong are smarter than you and me in many ways.

The most important point I would like to 點醒你 is – 反對公投五子的激進做法 is not equal to 反對爭取民主進程. Hong Kong people are telling 公社兩黨 that they do not agree their 激進做法 and it could be harmful to 民主進程建設 instead of helping.

mcjohnjohn

The most important point I would like to 點醒你 is – 反對公投五子的激進做法 is not equal to 反對爭取民主進程. Hong Kong people are telling 公社兩黨 that they do not agree their 激進做法 and it could be harmful to 民主進程建設 instead of helping.
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-19 19:38

小弟身邊絕大部分朋友都係咁諗.
不過, 其實我又唔覺得搞個公投好激進, 只係比香港市民一個政治表態既機會, 都okay 既~