rockypath

Thanks for sharing. However, what he said is nothing unexpected or suppressing to me.

First, I believe that people already expect 政改方案 will be denied. What will you expect to happen after that?
        
Second, the establishment of western democracy was driven by the middle class who wanted to share the political powers from upper class and royal families because they want to protect their own interests. If the majority of Hong Kong people (especially the middle class) don’t see the lack of democracy (雙普選) has significant imparts on their interests, I don’t see there will be any change soon.

I am talking the reality and I believe HK will eventually realize 雙普選 one day. However, I don’t think it will happen in a very short period of time as demanded by 社民連. I believe 黃毓民 is clearly aware of the reality in his heart, but he just wants to gather 政治資本 for his own benefits.

rockypath

呢啲咪叫做以小人之心度君子之福囉～

當然，你又點能夠去 expect 啲小人有君子之能呢？

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Lik 發表於 2010-6-9 15:44

Are you saying 黃毓民 is 小人? I agree with you.

rockypath

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DragonFire 發表於 2010-6-9 21:54

First, it is just my opinion.

Second, I believe he has a clear understanding of the current political situation in Hong Kong than most of us.  

Third, why didn’t he respect majority of Hong Kong people who had clearly revealed their will of not supporting 激進的政治行為 in 變相公投? If he is fighting for the democracy of Hong Kong, shouldn’t he be the first one to respect the will of Hong Kong people?

Fourth, why would he not accept any other option other than must realize 雙普選 right away? Is it true that the雙普選 is a “live or die” situation in Hong Kong? I don’t think so. I believe majority of Hong Kong want to have 雙普選, but it doesn’t have to be right away at this moment. Why didn’t he respect that?

Fifth, in my opinion, I believe their激進的政治行為 would hinder the progress of democracy instead of helping. Why couldn’t he 為大局著想?

That are the reasons I questioned about his true intentions.

rockypath

過d所謂溫和派，做左廿年，有d咩得著？政改方案和上次被否決的一色一樣羅反出黎，又想點啊？
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ricrick 發表於 2010-6-10 01:01

I guess you were so excited by his speech and did not listen to what he actually said carefully.

I summarised it for you and you tell me whether he truly 為香港爭取雙普選.

第一, 黃毓民將中國比成法西斯國家，將中國共產黨比成法西斯；

第二，他要求結束一黨專政，還政於民；

第三，他的目的是要暴露專政主義者的猙獰面目；

第四，呼籲香港人６月２３號去立法會示威 (目的是支持否決政改方案或是支持結束中國法西斯的一黨專政？)。

Could you confirm with me what we are talking about here? Is not “為香港爭取雙普選” the focus and goal that黃毓民 has been telling Hong Kong people?

When has this focus and goal begun shifting to be “結束一黨專政，還政於民” (imply overthrowing CCP and terminating its governing)? 黃毓民 must have clearly known and expected the kind of reaction the CCP will have and the negative impacts on the progress of 雙普選 when he made that speech.

From what he said, I have the reasons to suspect he purposely tried to provoke the nerve of central government and wished to destroy the hope and chances for Hong Kong to realize 雙普選any sooner.

If you don’t agree with me, please state your points clearly.

rockypath

If 毓民 had any self interests in Hong Kong's political matters, he wouldn't haven't kicked started the 5-region resignation / de factor referendum.   ...
Lik 發表於 2010-6-10 22:20

Do you mind to tell us clearly what the GOAL we want to achieve is? Is “香港實現雙普選” the goal or “推翻中國共產黨結束一黨專政” the goal?

If 黃毓民 truly wants to fight for Hong Kong people to 實現雙普選, why did he purposely 將這兩件事情掛鈎?

Based on what he had said and proposed.

1)        香港要實現普選就要結束中國共產黨的一黨專政
2)        支持普選就要支持結束中國共產黨的一黨專政的行動

First, I don’t see there is a direct relationship between “香港實現雙普選”和”結束中國共產黨的一黨專政”. I believe Hong Kong can certainly realize 雙普選 under the governing of CCP.

Second, when黃毓民 made a direct link between these two issues, what is his purpose? Does he want to turn Hong Kong into a 反對中國共產黨的基地? If Hong Kong becomes such a base, will the central government allow 普選 in Hong Kong? I don’t think so.

So, you tell me. Does 黃毓民 truly wants Hong Kong to have 普選 or not?  I believe he wants to 害香港.

rockypath

As such, the two goals are really one and the same. ...
Lik 發表於 2010-6-10 23:12

What kind of word should I use to describe you? Where is your logical analytical skill which is essential in studying computer science?

In what way these two issues – “香港實現雙普選” and “推翻中國共產黨結束一黨專政” can be two the same one? Can you explain to us?

If you believe  香港要實現普選就要結束中國共產黨的一黨專政, then good luck to you. I am pretty confident that you won’t be able to see 香港實現普選 in this life if 結束中國共產黨的一黨專政 is the condition for 普選to be realized.

How stupid and ignorant you are.

rockypath

Learn to read la, Moron~

Lik 發表於 2010-6-10 23:45

Should we conduct a survey and see whether there will be more people to vote you are moron and I am a moron?

rockypath

moron A moron B
samsung 發表於 2010-6-11 01:06

To be faire, maybe you can conduct the survey for us.  Moron Lik vs. Moron Rocky.

rockypath

Now tell me, is the abolishment of functional constituencies a matter of national defence, foreign affairs, or matter not related to SAR internal affairs?...
Lik 發表於 2010-6-11 00:39

Do you naively believe 香港政治體制的變動 is solely Hong Kong’s internal matter?

You like it or not. The answer will be “NO” from the stand point of central government.

I think it would be interesting to conduct another survey to see how many LYK will agree with your 繆論 － “香港實現普選”和“推翻中國共產黨”是同一件事？   

rockypath

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kingkong123 發表於 2010-6-13 08:05

In your opinion, what is he doing for?