chunsh

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  當你周邊嘅人啲行為都一樣嘅事候
你經以被邊沿化
你會俾人話 唔好響樹扮高檔啦 港燦 ...
sheep 發表於 2010-6-10 20:56

well, what they are doing right now is just what we, or our parents/uncles/aunts did in the past 30 years to them. I don't like it and I think no hk people like this when they are mean to us. But too bad, $$ is the boss in this capital world. Who got $$, who is the boss. Thats all.

mcjohnjohn

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  當你周邊嘅人啲行為都一樣嘅事候
你經以被邊沿化
你會俾人話 唔好響樹扮高檔啦 港燦 ...
sheep 發表於 2010-6-11 12:56

咁無辦法, 我的而且確係一個土生土長既港燦...

mcjohnjohn

Who got $$, who is the boss. Thats all.
chunsh 發表於 2010-6-11 13:05

咁又唔係woh, 如果真係普選既話, 我就係特首既老板了! 我要做老板! 哈哈~

Lik

1. 所謂溫和派, 呢廿年最成功就係7.1遊行, 咁先迫到阿爺收返23條.
2. 政改方案和上次被否決的有d 改動, 並唔係一式一樣, 不過有d 情況好似仲衰過上次. (如區議會功能組別)
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-6-10 02:00

1) 7.1係民陣（民間人權陣線）搞嘅，而嚴格來講，民陣並唔係乜野政治組織，更唔能夠話佢係溫和派（因為各方泛民嘅人都有份參與），所以03/04 嘅 7.1 逼到阿爺收返 23條同埋攪到阿董落台，功勞都唔能夠歸功班垃圾溫和民主派。正確來講，果陣嘅功勞係屬於香港人自己嘅。而正因為 7.1嘅功勞唔屬於班垃圾溫和民主派，所以MJJ你無法否定垃圾溫和民主派做咗廿年都係得個桔呢句說話。

2) 而你第二點就更加肯定咗ricrick所講，話特衰政府儸個一式一樣、五年前已經被否決咗嘅方案出來係毫無誠意、逼港人食屎呢個事實。

-力

Lik

第一, 黃毓民將中國比成法西斯國家，將中國共產黨比成法西斯；

第二，他要求結束一黨專政，還政於民；

第三，他的目的是要暴露專政主義者的猙獰面目；

第四，呼籲香港人６月２３號去立法會示威 (目的是支持否決政改方案或是支持結束中國法西斯的一黨專政？)。
rockypath 發表於 2010-6-10 16:30

Whoa~ I'm surprised you actually managed to correctly identified those 4 points! I didn't know you have a brai... opps...

The next question should be, are the first 3 points correct and appropriate? Of course they are! And because they are, #4 is just the next logical step you ought to do to support points #1 - 3.

毓民 cannot dictate nor control how Grandfather reacts and responds because Grandfather is the one that controls and determines how he reacts and responds to the others. Had Grandfather wanted to, he can easily ignore what 毓民 says and press ahead with his own agenda. The only thing that is holding him back from doing so is that Grandfather still cares for his own face in the international community, so he doesn't want (dare?) to thoroughly piss off people in Hong Kong. In other words, he really doesn't give a damn about what 毓民 says. The ones he is really sort of weary of are the people of Hong Kong.

If 毓民 had any self interests in Hong Kong's political matters, he wouldn't haven't kicked started the 5-region resignation / de factor referendum. He and the LSD easily gave up $1M in doing so.

-Lik

mcjohnjohn

1) 7.1係民陣（民間人權陣線）搞嘅，而嚴格來講，民陣並唔係乜野政治組織，更唔能夠話佢係溫和派（因為各方泛民嘅人都有份參與），所以03/04 嘅 7.1 逼到阿爺收返 23條同埋攪到阿董落台，功勞都唔能夠歸功班垃圾溫和民主派。正確來講，果陣嘅功勞係屬於香港人自己嘅。而正因為 7.1嘅功勞唔屬於班垃圾溫和民主派，所以MJJ你無法否定垃圾溫和民主派做咗廿年都係得個桔呢句說話。

2) 而你第二點就更加肯定咗ricrick所講，話特衰政府儸個一式一樣、五年前已經被否決咗嘅方案出來係毫無誠意、逼港人食屎呢個事實。
Lik 發表於 2010-6-11 14:06

1. 你講哂啦! 民陣搞既就唔關民主黨事, 不如你話係社民連既功勞丫, 笨. 小弟只知道, 當年民主黨o係7.1 遊行做左好多野, 你一句就抹煞哂人地做既事, 你真係好民建聯law. 天下烏鴉一樣黑...

2. 都話唔係一式一樣, 講左好多次, 今次加左個乜乜區議會功能組別啦, 都唔聽書既. 唔好再講係一式一樣, 應該係講倒退先真. 好似做生意咁, 你quote 左個價比個client, 個quotation 過左期, 之後再出既quotation 唔一定好過之前果個, 睇當時既市場丫麻. 而家阿爺擺明玩香港人, 咁可以點? 今次安排唔到100萬人上街呀, 注定冇say 啦.

mcjohnjohn

他要求結束一黨專政，還政於民；
簡直就同阿爺作對啦...
對共產黨黎講, 結束一黨專政同叛國基本上冇分別, 玩野行遠d 啦.

rockypath

If 毓民 had any self interests in Hong Kong's political matters, he wouldn't haven't kicked started the 5-region resignation / de factor referendum.   ...
Lik 發表於 2010-6-10 22:20

Do you mind to tell us clearly what the GOAL we want to achieve is? Is “香港實現雙普選” the goal or “推翻中國共產黨結束一黨專政” the goal?

If 黃毓民 truly wants to fight for Hong Kong people to 實現雙普選, why did he purposely 將這兩件事情掛鈎?

Based on what he had said and proposed.

1)        香港要實現普選就要結束中國共產黨的一黨專政
2)        支持普選就要支持結束中國共產黨的一黨專政的行動

First, I don’t see there is a direct relationship between “香港實現雙普選”和”結束中國共產黨的一黨專政”. I believe Hong Kong can certainly realize 雙普選 under the governing of CCP.

Second, when黃毓民 made a direct link between these two issues, what is his purpose? Does he want to turn Hong Kong into a 反對中國共產黨的基地? If Hong Kong becomes such a base, will the central government allow 普選 in Hong Kong? I don’t think so.

So, you tell me. Does 黃毓民 truly wants Hong Kong to have 普選 or not?  I believe he wants to 害香港.

Lik

Do you mind to tell us clearly what the GOAL we want to achieve is? Is “香港實現雙普選” the goal or “推翻中國共產黨結束一黨專政” the goal?
rockypath 發表於 2010-6-10 22:46

If a logical and sane person have any sort of understanding in both the HK and Mainland political climate, and more importantly, how the two interact with one another (eg. how in a lot of ways, Mainlanders are taking after almost precisely the same actions from HK folks), he'll eventually come to the understanding that Hong Kong will not have true democracy until the day Mainland China has that as well. As such, the two goals are really one and the same.

If you knew any Chinese history at all, Cantonese folks (and in particular, HK folks) have always been leaders and revolutionaries. The most well-known and recent one is Dr. Sun Yat Sen. Living on the coast, Cantonese folks have always been more open-minded and receptive of fresh ideas. It's really in our blood.

毓民 is asking for dual general election because that's what the CPC has promised and agreed to when the Basic Law was drafted. Unfortunately, Grandfather will not grant Hong Kong what has already been promised because it is afraid the rest of China will take after Hong Kong and make similar demands. And when they do, that'll spell the end of the CPC's rule.

That's what their motive is. Simple, greedy, and power-hungry as that.

-Lik

rockypath

As such, the two goals are really one and the same. ...
Lik 發表於 2010-6-10 23:12

What kind of word should I use to describe you? Where is your logical analytical skill which is essential in studying computer science?

In what way these two issues – “香港實現雙普選” and “推翻中國共產黨結束一黨專政” can be two the same one? Can you explain to us?

If you believe  香港要實現普選就要結束中國共產黨的一黨專政, then good luck to you. I am pretty confident that you won’t be able to see 香港實現普選 in this life if 結束中國共產黨的一黨專政 is the condition for 普選to be realized.

How stupid and ignorant you are.