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    無辦法，呢個世界都係利益行先。如果中國唔係世界經濟咁有影響力，啲人又點會聽佢支笛？

sheep

You will have your turn. Just wait.
rockypath 發表於 2010-10-4 11:01

    do I have to get a number first?

Lik

錢唔係唔可以使，而亦係非常應該使，但係一定要使得其所、要合乎成本效益，而唔係一味只係講求面子、要人有我有、吓吓要同人地鬥最高科技。

軍事嘅野，唔係話要佢唔搞，但係應該搞咗啲基本啲嘅野先，而唔係去搞最貴、最燒錢嘅野。中國嘅海軍特別弱，而依家亦搞緊航空母艦戰鬥群，呢樣野我一都唔會點反對。

莫講話中國，就算係老美家陣都縮咗好多軍費（又或者係應該講，cut 咗好多無敵燒錢，又或者成本效益唔夠高嘅野）。就算係最新嘅 F35，老美都係同好多個國家一齊夾錢研發，而且佢地亦大力搞緊小型無人戰機（drones），因為呢樣嘅成本同人命傷亡都可以大為降低。

-力

fibbi

莫講話中國，就算係老美家陣都縮咗好多軍費（又或者係應該講，cut 咗好多無敵燒錢，又或者成本效益唔夠高嘅野）。就算係最新嘅 F35，老美都係同好多個國家一齊夾錢研發，而且佢地亦大力搞緊小型無人戰機（drones），因為呢樣嘅成本同人命傷亡都可以大為降低。
Lik 發表於 2010-10-4 11:48

    你估佢好想同人哋一齊研發唔想獨佔咩，佢哋呢排窮，啲經濟唔掂咪要睇送食飯囉。

Lik

今日
好似所有問題都係用經濟手段解決嗎？
sheep 發表於 2010-10-4 11:38

Exactly -- China is easily one of the strongest driving forces in the global economy right now. Instead of flexing their military might, they can easily flex their economic muscles instead to exercise their influence and achieve the goals they want. The economic dealings with Taiwan and Japan are the best examples here. They lure Taiwan with economic incentives to foster friendlier relationships, and they threatened Japan (in the Diaoyu Island incidents) with suspension of various economic dealings.

We aren't in the medieval times anymore. Not everything needs to be resolved through the sword.

-Lik

BiscottiGelato

If you look at the list of countires with the highest qualities of life, the ones that consistently ...
Lik 發表於 2010-10-4 10:06

How much socialism is good? How much is bad? I think whatever cut you make on this is just as bad as mine, and every other clueless individuals here. In this case it's all opinions, every one has one and they all stinks.

On the other hand, How much did China spend on this probe to the moon? How much is budgeted every year to education vs space exploration vs military vs socialist assistance? We simply don't know. Any argument here is mood. Maybe 100B is spent on education every year already, vs .5B every year on space tech, who knows.

All I am saying is, asking China to spend 0 on space and all on education is absurd. There are a lot of reason why even countries that are not among the richest and highest std of living in the world should invest in space.  Std of living is like reaping in rewards now, investing in things like space is investing in the future. Afterall, do you really want the US to claim everything they find in space, whether it be resource or much needed knowledge that can give their faux capitalistic system unchecked dominance in the next frontier?

The real question is how much to spend in space. Is launching a probe to the moon spending too much? Or is it too little given how far behind China is in space tech? Then it all goes back to stinky opinion and ugly politics, which you guys are free to put your worth on. But again, spending 0 is plain ignorance.

BiscottiGelato

今日
美國佬唔花咁多錢嚮太空度
點解？
因為佢知道有啲地方要好多錢
例如 醫療改革 ...
sheep 發表於 2010-10-4 09:55

Cuz they continue to be more and more short sighted. It's hard to say on the long term whether the half thought out medical reform is good investment, or if leaving budget in space is better investment on the long haul. All we know is their motivation: they want to address social concerns because it wins them vote, and that's all it is about.

Heck, in fact the NASA budget is still very up in the air and open for debate in the Congress/Senate, that in the end they might just print more cash to cover it afterall.

Lik

你估佢好想同人哋一齊研發唔想獨佔咩，佢哋呢排窮，啲經濟唔掂咪要睇送食飯囉。 ...
fibbi 發表於 2010-10-4 11:52

Exactly. And China should do the same by not blowing their $$ away in the most expensive aerospace research.

How much socialism is good? How much is bad? I think whatever cut you make on this is just as bad  ...
BiscottiGelato 發表於 2010-10-4 12:24

I dunno how much socialism is good, but all I know is that currently, China is practicing the most uninhibited form of market capitalism right now where the rich and (politically) powerful band together to reap all the benefits while the poorest peasants continue to eat shxt (and will almost certainly continue to eat shxt in the foreseeable future generation).

Currently, China is experience a boom because it is riding the prime age wave of its population. The US did this back in the 70's and 80's as well with the baby boomers, and now the dividends of that human capital is exhausted so it's payback time. Under China's 1-child policy, the same thing will happen, except that it will be worse. Institute in the Mainland themselves have issued such projections and dire warnings, and nobody is taking heed. If China really wants to invest for the future, then that future lies in its people and their well-being, not in some stupid expensive aerospace programs.

-Lik

Lik

Cuz they continue to be more and more short sighted. It's hard to say on the long term whether the half thought out medical reform is good investment, or if leaving budget in space is better investment on the long haul. All we know is their motivation: they want to address social concerns because it wins them vote, and that's all it is about
BiscottiGelato 發表於 2010-10-4 12:35

My goodness.. can you get more ignorant than this? The healthcare reform overhaul is only a means to win votes?!

I suggest you to go do a little research and see when the last healthcare overhaul was done in the US and how broken and out-dated the system is.

Everybody knows the healthcare reforms are incomplete, and to a large extent, that is due to the GOP being more concerned with playing politics than to cooperate with Obama and the Democrats to hammer out something that would really benefit the US people. But the compromise nevertheless represents a major overhaul of the system that will assist far more people than it currently does.

But in your view, it is only a means to win votes. Perfect.  

-Lik