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sheep 發表於 2010-10-5 09:27

So you think they should let the RMB rise, raise workers' pay, and drive out foreign investments, all for the good of China and it's people?

Yet you fail to see that China and it's people, even on average, have some of the most rapid rise in quality of living in the past 30 years, all due to the economic reforms kick started by Deng, who once said back then the reform was to allow 'some of the people to get rich first, to bring up the rest of the country later'. The rise in China's HDI in the past 30 years is some of the steepest, especially an astounding feat given the massive population and economy that China have.
http://hdrstats.undp.org/en/countries/country_fact_sheets/cty_fs_CHN.html

Some will criticize that the HDI is skewed as there is massive rich-poor disparity, which I agree. But this is in a way by designed, as the capitalistic approach always creates rich-poor disparity. As long as both the rich and the poor gets richer, then it is on the right track. Don't miss out on this quote from the above, "HDI scores in all regions have increased progressively over the years (Figure 1) although all have experienced periods of slower growth or even reversals." HPI (Human Poverty Index) is also far from the worst (rank 37th out of 135 for China).

Obviously there is still a lot of flaws with the Chinese government, which Lik can recite all day here, which I also agree with many of them (but not a lot of the extermely biased unfounded ones, like launching this tiny probe to the moon). Neglecting to recognize that China have been roughly on the right direction in terms of many of it's economic policies (including keeping wage low, RMB low to lure in foreign investments, etc) is plain bias and ignorance.

chunsh

So you think they should let the RMB rise, raise workers' pay, and drive out foreign investments,  ...
BiscottiGelato 發表於 2010-10-5 10:06

They should not invest too much in the fxxking space
spend more $$ on improving people's lives, especially those farmers. Without farmers, those corrupted political blood-sucker can just eat ****

BiscottiGelato

They should not invest too much in the fxxking space
spend more $$ on improving people's lives, e ...
chunsh 發表於 2010-10-5 10:18

How much is too much? We don't even know how much they spent to launch this probe, it might be just 1M RMB. Maybe they have spent 100 Billion every years into social services for non-coastal cities, and only a budget of 100M a year (given how cheap it is to manufacture, and how cheap labor/scientists might be) for aerospace in total? Who knows? Is that still too much? Why are you saying it's too much when you don't even know how much they have spent on this? Does anybody care if you think it's too much or not?

chunsh

How much is too much? We don't even know how much they spent to launch this probe, it might be jus ...
BiscottiGelato 發表於 2010-10-5 10:30

LOL
so u think that probe only cause about 1 mil?
even one mil can feed a lot of poor farmers or establish elementary schools for those children

Lik

You extreme socialist viewpoint is well observed on this forum, along with serious attitude problems involving personal attacks and offsensive remarks. Your poor temperment, and heavy (anti-Chinese gov't) bias only makes rational discussion difficult and almost pointless. With your track record of bashing almost anything and everything done by the Chinese gov't, it just makes one thinks that you can no longer assess individual issues objectively on a case by case basis.
BiscottiGelato 發表於 2010-10-5 10:03

LOL~

According to your logic, this is merely your opinion only, and I can tell you that it stinks as bad as your a$$.

Also, it is funny how you label me as a left-leaning socialist. By every possible measure, I am right of center on the political spectrum. The problem with HK and China is, they are so ridiculously far off to the extreme right that by comparison, my right of center stance seems like it is a socialist ideal.

Learn a little political theory and observe a little more carefully before you shoot your stinking mouth off la~

-Lik

BiscottiGelato

LOL
so u think that probe only cause about 1 mil?
even one mil can feed a lot of poor farmers or  ...
chunsh 發表於 2010-10-5 10:49

I am not a socialist. I much rather public funds be put into aerospace than handouts. What China should do to improve poverty is to fight corruption. Feeding poor farmers shouldn't be in their agenda to begin with. More education dollars are lost through corruption, esp in rural areas than money actually going through to the children. What they need is not to put in more $ into education, it's to fight corruption. The money is much better spent, in my opinion, on this probe than to feed more corrupted rural officials in the name of education fundings.

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sheep 發表於 2010-10-5 09:27

Sorry, you are shooting at the wrong target.

What I said in post #166 was calculated and concluded by experts. Not me.

If you want to tell them 愚蠢, I will be happy to watch you doing so. I would be interested to see whom will be actually called the 蠢仔.  

BiscottiGelato

LOL~

According to your logic, this is merely your opinion only, and I can tell you that it stinks  ...
Lik 發表於 2010-10-5 10:54

Thx for noticing that my opinion stinks. Now you know what your opinion smells like and how your sh_tty offensive remarks makes it unbearable for many. At least if you are able to stay rational and objective on your discussion, it ONLY stinks, instead of make you look like a China bashing idiot (the extreme opposite of peter...).

Thinking that China should spend 0 on aerospace and contribute all these funds to social spending is the leftest thing I've heard on this whole thread. You might think you are center-right, doesn't make you one.

BiscottiGelato

I think I have said what I needed to say on this topic. People are always going to argue both sides, maybe because they firmly believe in their points, or maybe they are just arguing just for the sake of winning the argument. Either way I don't really care.

I just hope people here will actually objectively look at the facts I have presented and take something away from them. Hopefully this will contribute in how they will formulate their future opinions on various matters, esp concerning China's policies and concerning Space exploration in general.

peter236

LOL~

According to your logic, this is merely your opinion only, and I can tell you that it stinks  ...
Lik 發表於 2010-10-5 10:54

I lectured you on this before. China's space program has big economic benefits, like the GPS, weather satellites, communication satellites, geology satellites etc.

How do you find new mineral deposits? How do you make weather forecasts? All these need to be done with the help of your own satellites. Using the GPS is not free. Without your own rockets launching technologies, you will have to pay other countries to do it for you. Now China can do all these themselves and can make money from launching satellites for other countries.

China space technologies is not the most advanced or cutting edge compare with the US. China needs to just keep up for now. Like you suggest, if China waits for another 30 years, they would be way behind. But a moron like you will never understand this.

It was Taiwan that did not send warships to Diaoyu Island, but you dared not bash Taiwan. Taiwan (like Japan) has defensive agreements with the US, so Taiwan is in a better position to send in the warships, thereby forcing the US into a neutral position. Besides, the Diaoyu Islands are under Taiwan province administration.