fibbi

回復 18# fy789


    Those are two separate things. Japanese are cruel to Chinese during WWII. This is a fact. They don't want to admit their wrong doing, try to deny history, that's another fact.
我想說的是人性是有醜陋的一面。日本人，德國人在二次大戰時對敵人殘暴不堪。
但你能否定中國人的人性沒有醜陋的一面嗎？文革就是一個很好的例子。


題外話，我啲中國歷史考第一架，仲要係全級嗰隻。不過我最唔鐘意讀清朝，七國咁亂，睇見都眼火爆。
而我認為讀歷史就是要學懂分析，從歷史中汲取教訓，以史為鑒。

fibbi

回復 19# fy789


    I do believe Chinese car is catching up fast. But reliability takes time to build up. I do think that it will take less time than Korean car. When Korean car first come out, it's just crappy quality. Over the years and numerous improvement, now Korean cars have gained significant market share. I am sure Chinese car can do the same too. I'm glad that you support the Chinese auto industry, but buying a car without sufficient track record is just too risky IMO.

Lik

If not for WWII that the Japs fighted with and exhausted the KMT army, not to mention that the Japs sometimes cooperated with CCP guerillas, CCP would not have the chance to strength themselves and gained power later after winning the civil war, and we would have been able to live in a free, equal, and democratic China now, much like an enlarged version of Taiwan.  In addition, all the crimes CCP committed would not have the chance to begin with.

Spend some time to read modern Chinese books and use your brain, instead of your butt, to think next time when you criticize others!
fy789 發表於 2010-10-19 06:22

Dai Lo,

Why was CCP able to rise up so quickly in the first place? More importantly, why did they manage to gather so much support from the regular citizens in such a short time?

Nobody knows what will happen had history took a different path, but had the KMT not suffered major losses and fled to Taiwan, the Jiangs would most definitely not have reflected on their past mistakes and embraced reforms nearly as quickly. For all we know, had the CCP not kicked out the KMT, China could still be just as corrupt as it is today, or perhaps even more so because the KMT were already corrupted to its core prior to the civil war.

So I am gonna say exactly the same thing as you have said to Fibbi: Spend some time reading modern Chinese books and use your brain, instead of your butt, to think next time when you criticize others!

-Lik

Lik

EEven if Chinese cars were a little behind other competitors,  I would still buy
one for the purpose of assisting the Chinese automobile industry.

I am an engineer, and I work with lots of smart and diligent Chinese engineers on a day-to-day basis. Given the chance, I am sure China can build quality and inexpensive cars.
fy789 發表於 2010-10-19 06:41

I'm glad you're volunteering to be the guinea pig and and beta test these early generation Chinese cars. I'd much rather enjoy a mature product when they've had their bugs worked out instead of putting up with early generation defects.

Also, with the appreciation of RMB and the rise of Chinese salaries in general, I wouldn't count on Chinese products of the future being as cheap as many people seem to think.

-Lik

peter236

I'm glad you're volunteering to be the guinea pig and and beta test these early generation Chinese  ...
Lik 發表於 2010-10-19 11:54

There are so many indigenous Chinese car designs that are already very good. They are already better built than the Japanese/Korean cars from just 10 years ago.
According to international car experts, the technology gap is just less than 6-7 years, which means Chinese car makers are able to catch up in less than 3 yrs.
For now, just buy a Chinese Volvo car.

Lik

LOL~

As a rational and logical consumer, I buy the best product that I can afford. I do not buy anything for "patriotic" reasons, and I have no reason to be "patriotic" to China anyways.

Morons like you, on the other hand, will do anything as long as it is "China-approved". LOL~

Are you even aware that the current Volvos have absolutely nothing to do with China as far as design and engineering are concerned? They are designs that have already been put into execution by American and Swedish companies (Ford and Volvo). China has nothing to do with them.

Moron~

-Lik

peter236

LOL~

As a rational and logical consumer, I buy the best product that I can afford. I do not buy any ...
Lik 發表於 2010-10-19 12:09

You moron Lik~~,

China and Hong Kong do not need you to be patriotic anyway. They have so much talent, so they do not need you at all. So please delete your Chinese name.

Most Japanese and Koreans do buy their own cars based on patriotism.

We are all aware of the designs of Volvo cars. For those who do not want to feed those perverted Japanese, Volvo cars are one of the choices. At least, the money goes to a Chinese owned company which can then use the money in Chinese car research and design.

hahaha, you moron

blue20ae

Which model would you suggest as an example of "indigenous Chinese car designs"?

All the car companies are linked worldwide.  
http://www.toomanycars.info/CarRelationship/Car_Rel-Image2.html

They all leverage technologies from each other.  Also most Chinese Manufacturer are started as JV.  It would be interesting to see what is a Chinese brand.

peter236

Which model would you suggest as an example of "indigenous Chinese car designs"?

All the car compan ...
blue20ae 發表於 2010-10-19 12:23

There are over 100 Chinese car makers. Most of the big Chinese car makers have two parts to their businesses. One part is the JV. The other part is indigenous car making.

There are also the private car makers like Cherry, BYD and Geely.

Lik

Most Japanese and Koreans do buy their own cars based on patriotism.

We are all aware of the designs of Volvo cars. For those who do not want to feed those perverted Japanese, Volvo cars are one of the choices. At least, the money goes to a Chinese owned company which can then use the money in Chinese car research and design.
peter236 發表於 2010-10-19 12:13

Moron,

In Japan at least, people are buying local Japanese cars not because they are patriotic -- the Japanese government is extremely heavy handed on protectionism measures, so import taxes and duties are really high on any of the import brands. So for locals and normal people, they just buy locally made Japanese cars since imported cars from foreign manufacturers are too expensive.

No sensible consumer would go support a company even if they made inferior products. And yet that is exactly what you are recommending people to do. If that is not moronic, I dunno what else it could be la~

-Lik