Lik

If you think socialist systems always fail, obviously you have no understanding of how European countries, esp those in northern Europe (Norway, Sweden, Denmark, etc.) function.

-Lik

MSN04

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hmm... not sure about other countries, but for this province, socialism will likely fail (quality of the people??)

fm9610

If you think socialist systems always fail, obviously you have no understanding of how European coun ...
Lik 發表於 2010-11-3 20:39

Yes. but I have no intention of paying the income tax of those countries. Sweden has the highest in the world at 59%

BiscottiGelato

If you think socialist systems always fail, obviously you have no understanding of how European coun ...
Lik 發表於 2010-11-3 20:39

Definately not among the strongest economies in the world, are they? The countries you mentioned still have a largely capitalistic backbone with a socialistic tendency. For true socialism, you have to look at Mao and Soviet regimes.

Anyways, the more socialist a country is, the more likely a country is to fail (and everybody dies poor). The more capitalist a country is, the more likely there's large rich/poor disparity. Do note that some people are deservedly poor because they sit on their hands with their asses and does nothing and expect hand-outs. The challenge with capitalism is not to enrich the poor, but to establish a fair system such that ones that are more productive and more insightful to end up to be rich, instead of just allowing the rich continue to be the rich.

Lik

Does it really matter whether a country is an economic powerhouse when the the same country consistently ranks among the highest in terms of quality of life general contentment among its citizens/residents? For that matter, what is the purpose of a government? If you ask me, my answer is that a successful government, a good government is one where its citizens enjoys a high quality of life.

People keep looking only at the the numeric figure of the tax rate, but totally ignore the benefits that citizens receive in return. In Germany, for example, university and post secondary training is free. In North America and in HK nowadays, how many students are not burdened with huge post secondary education debts?

-Lik

BiscottiGelato

Definately not among the strongest economies in the world, are they? The countries you mentioned s ...
BiscottiGelato 發表於 2010-11-4 00:31

i take that back as I didn't do my research. It does seem that Norway and Sweden not only have some of the highest quality of living in the world, but also some of the highest GDP per Capita in the world. They are regarded as a capitialist welfare state. Citizens do receive a lot in terms of education and health, which helps make sure everyone maximizes their potential for success. In return they are taxed heavily.

Not knowing about other details like minimum wage policies, union control and power structures, etc. I don't know if the success of these countries are due to their welfare, or due to other reasons. More-over, a heavy tax and high welfare structure does not simply mean that they are a socialist society with state controlled wealth distribution and free food for those who sit on their asses. Weather they are a good model applicable to every place every where, it's yet to be seen.

fibbi

Well, just wanna comment that....Sweden people...they have lots of holiday (much more than NA)... Once every few month when I need to communicating with Swedish (for my job), they are on holiday...

amgolfer

那些不欣賞左派理念的選民, 如因金寶爾下台而在下次大選時重新考慮自由黨. 則他的犧牲對本省長遠利益而言, 亦不失為好事.

至於那些憎恨HST而夢想NDP上台會有所改變對選民, 請留意到目前為止, 即使反HST情緒如此高漲, NDP對HST的取態還是非常璦昧, 不敢告訴選民如他們上台便會如何如何...

sheep

NDP對HST的取態還是非常璦昧, 不敢告訴選民如他們上台便會如何如何...amgolfer 發表於 2010-11-4 12:39

    佢哋都話係既定事實
就算佢哋上台
HST都會繼續

匿名

佢哋都話係既定事實
就算佢哋上台
HST都會繼續
sheep 發表於 2010-11-4 12:51

就算他們可以答應取消又如何呢﹖咪又係有其他稅﹖總之大家不要被愚弄了才好。。。

反而我覺得自由黨的 TFSA 設計幾好﹐還有收緊房貸的三招﹐我都幾欣賞﹐雖然兩個黨都係有唔好的地方。