peter236

Those people wasted some gas and polluted the air just by waiting in the line, haha.

[ 本帖最後由 peter236 於 2008-7-1 02:09 編輯 ]

chobit

I total agree...!  Put more wear to their cars..., waste gas.. ,etc..!

原帖由 peter236 於 2008-7-1 01:06 發表
Those people wasted some gas and polluted the air just by waiting in the line, haha.

news

seriously...ppl tht waited in line for 20-30 to fill up gas yesterday night were plain stupid...wasted tiem and gas for a like 2 bucks of savings on a full tank

fm9610

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2008-7-1 01:29 發表
also, by 2010 carbon tax will increase to a total of $0.07X so re-redo your math

even if it is at $0.08, the $100 credit will be good for 25 fill-up or 25 x 50 = 1,250 litre of gas. Consider my car's gas consumption, it should be good for 12,500KM. Haha, I am still ahead by 2,500KM

Look at all the gas riots/demonstrations in Europe, India, America and even HK. These are not caused by any gas tax, but the 'big climate' of increase in oil price, drop in US exchange rate and inflation in general. We Canadian has been shielded by our high exchange rate and the BC's economy bloom for the last years, it is about time for us to suffer now. So welcome to the world of high inflation and stop complaining.

yungfourfour

原帖由 fm9610 於 2008-7-2 23:13 發表


even if it is at $0.08, the $100 credit will be good for 25 fill-up or 25 x 50 = 1,250 litre of gas. Consider my car's gas consumption, it should be good for 12,500KM. Haha, I am still ahead by 2,50 ...

You still haven't plug in carbon tax value into your heat/hydro bills? you still believe that $100 is good for a year?

I mean... this policy is totally ineffective as they are trying to buy off carbon credit from normal people!! and the money didn't even go back to sustain/improve the environment.  The carbon tax is revenue-neutral.  It won't really cut off people's demand: unlike income tax, the carbon tax rate is FLAT! so it doesn't actually penalize people who abuse resources/ reward people to conserves on resources: you still pay the same rate.

fm9610

Haha, I live in the City and my place is so energy efficient that I do not really need to use heat from natural gas. BC hydro is hydro electricity and is not cabon based. Besides, BC hydro supports the government and has not indicated that they will raise their rate because of the carbon tax.

The reason I can break even with just $100 is because: 1. I drive a small Honda 2. I work close to my office and 3. I live close to a big mall with almost everything I want. I do not think large SUV or people living/working outside the city can break even so easily.

elan7e

fm9610,
思考問題的時候,請嘗試從別人的角度想想ｏ温市很多市民沒有你這麽幸運,居住跟工作地點比較遠而又沒有公車服務ｏ驾車是唯一的選擇ｏ再講汽油是必需品(在北美洲等腹源廣濶的地方),不是香煙和化裝品可有可無ｏ在油價高企的時候,為什么還要火上加油ｏ其實加carbon tax對你也有影响,因運輸费用增加，由原材料到製成品的成本也增加,該等增加最终也是轉稼到诮费者身上。

peter236

Even if there is a mall close to your home, you will still be affected, since they have to transport all the products from elsewhere to the shopping mall.

fm9610

I was not lucky: It is because I made a decision to live in the City, close to both work/shopping and therefore I can drive less. It is a decision that everyone must make in life, not only do I save gas, save on car maintenance, but I also save on ICBC insurance. Looking at all the highrises coming up around the city, I think a lot of people made the same decision like me. Actually, because of the high gas price, I think I will either bike or walk to the mall from now on. So don't complain, if you live in a big house with central heat in the country, but have to drive a big SUV/VAN an hour or more to work or shop. It is your choice.

Inflation is a global issue, look at HK, Europe and India. Everyone is complaining. Consider yourself lucky because you live in BC and inflation is still low.

[ 本帖最後由 fm9610 於 2008-7-3 23:22 編輯 ]

shutterbug

Hm...two end sword....living in BC is lucky???  Hm...I don't know about that...gas price aside, just housing affordability is extremely high if you compare across the country.  For an old crappy Van special, you're looking at around 700-800k, whereas you can buy a luxury house in other parts of the country.

Oil price increase will adversely affect EVERYBODY, unless you own some oil field in the Middle East or work for an oil company in Alberta.  The BC gov't is taxing like crazy on gas price already and they have made so much from the recent gas price increase, and now they're not satisfy and they want to tax more!!! It seems like a punishment to car owners because cars here is not a luxury but more like a necessity.  Our transit system sucks and it sucks too much of our money already with below average service; it's completely not dependable.

I know people make their own choices, but some people are pushed to a dead end right now.  Lots of people drive for a living and they're the ones who are suffering the most right now.  See the bigger picture, if you're happy but everyone else  is suffering, you won't be happy for too long because you will not be the one immune to all of this; it will eventually haunt you!