Ultraman

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-6 00:48 發表


Ultraman, what if there is someone on LYK who "greet" your whole family? Would you defend or fight back?
For me, I don't think defend or fight back is immature. If you treasure something and someone ...

So, since you're challenging me now, then I should or I can have license to smack you back with swear words? (just an example)
Do you understand why there are so many people (non-believers) who don't like Christians and Christianity? One of the reasons is, when non-believers are only asking questions (even in a sincere and kind way) Christians will turn on their defending mode automatically without a second thought most of the time. How can a peaceful and meaningful discussion continue?

ricrick

GOD Bless You All. Amen

daimo

原帖由 katamari 於 2009-1-6 00:50 發表


rickrick, I am not a Christian, posting this article up doesn't mean I am against the religion. Don't you think it's interesting to discuss this in a positive way?

But are you against the religion? (Y/N)

If the answer is Y, then I actually respect you for having the courage to say so.

Ultraman

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2009-1-5 22:51 發表
well, I don't know what Christians are you surrounded by but personally I haven't seen this kind of arguments around me very often....

Not related to your example...but do you think swearing is OK for Christians?  To me I don't think so, but to some they think it's not so bad...did the Bible mention any teachings about this...I'm sure it does!

Another example:
Why playing Mah Jong is not allowed (should say prohibited) in church but poker cards is (usually used for bridge games)? Christians' reason is, Mah Jong is a well-known gambling game/tool but bridge game is a kind of sport game. However, people can just play Mah Jong without gambling involved but on the other hand gambling can be involved in bridge games (even chess games). The key point is not the "impression" of the game but the actual playing part. Doesn't it?

Now back to the swearing case. Since a Christian shouldn't intend to do anything to hurt others, so he/she shouldn't swear to anyone (and probably that someone would be very likely to get hurt and feel upset and/or angry...). However, Christians can have anger feeling, and if they feel angry and want to vent out, they can drink a big glass of water, take a shower, shout out loud... , and why not swearing (to nobody) just to release their own anger?

Many Christians just like stated in the passage, they only followed the "rules" blindly.

Ultraman

原帖由 ricrick 於 2009-1-6 01:05 發表
GOD Bless You All. Amen

Mind me to ask, are you a Christian?

rockypath

I believe there are many immature Chritians arround and every single Chritian is not perfect. However, does it deny there is a God and there is a creator?

Maybe you dislike all Chritians, but it shouldn't be the reason you deny creation. It should be two seperate issues and should be dealt with seperately.

[ 本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2009-1-6 02:17 編輯 ]

Ultraman

原帖由 daimo 於 2009-1-6 01:06 發表


But are you against the religion? (Y/N)

If the answer is Y, then I actually respect you for having the courage to say so.

Mind to clarify, there is difference between "against" and "not believing". "Against" could include doing something to oppose in an aggressive way, hurting and hating the other party. "Not believing" could be in a neutral situation, not really doing anything to oppose but just want to ask and know more.

Ultraman

原帖由 rockypath 於 2009-1-6 01:16 發表
I believe there are many immature Chritians arround and every single Chritian is not perfect. However, does it deny there is a God and there is a creator?

Maybe you dislike all Chritians, but it sho ...

How to prove the Christian God is the true and only creator? Only because of He said so?

rockypath

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-6 02:28 發表

How to prove the Christian God is the true and only creator? Only because of He said so?

For me, I first believe there must be a creator. Then I try to look for the creator (including Chritian God).

Believing in "No God" is also a relgion in my opinion. Poeple become the God of themselves.

Ultraman

原帖由 rockypath 於 2009-1-6 01:33 發表


For me, I first believe there must be a creator. Then I try to look for the creator (including Chritian God).

Believing in "No God" is also a relgion in my opinion. Poeple become the God of themse ...

OK, my POV, "creator" is just a name, a title, "it" could be a "god", any god, or just the "mother nature", or something human and scientist can't understand and explain. For something human and scientist can't understand and explain not necessary related to "god", "spirits", "super natural power", .... etc stuff like that.