mcjohnjohn

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-7 18:25 發表
For example, bible didn't say kids can't play PS3, xbox360.... 8 hours a day and not doing their homework. Of course, there were no such things at that time, so you won't see those items in the bible. However, there are many "ideas"/"concepts" clearly stated, such as "people should not do anything that is harmful to their bodies (health)", this implies playing video games in an addicted way is a no no in God's eyes.
And therefore, there are a lot of things didn't mention in the bible words by words like that, so people have to interpret every single sentence by their own understanding and judgment, and thus different "meanings" come up. What is real truth and what isn't, only God knows. But what is more likely and what is more unlikely, "mature believers" should have a closer compromised answer.

"people should not do anything that is harmful to their bodies (health)"..
咁係唔係唔應該BBQ, 因為食得多BBQ燶左既食物係會致癌? 定係唔好燒咁燶? 但係唔夠耐又未必熟, 又會有蟲, 影響身體woh.
I agree that there are a lot of things didn't mention in the bible words by words, so every believe should have his/her standard. Some of them have higher standard and some of them have looser standard (I am one of them). Only God knows whether I do enough (I don't think it is enough though) or not. For me, everything needs balance.

mcjohnjohn

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-7 18:10 發表
mcjohnjohn, I'm glad that you're "back to what you are before". Haha...
I always treasure our open discussion.
I didn't mean to challenge you or disrespect you, I just want to be a mirror of you, to reflect what you can't see about yourself. (please excuse me if I'm over-ranked myself)
What I want to point out is, yes, every human is not perfect, including believers and non-believers. You can be greedy even you are a believer, and I can be selfish even I become a believer too (for example). So what?! I just dislike people "tell lies with their eyes widely opened". You can be greedy and gamble even you're a believer, but gotta know your mighty God is not happy about it. That's it.

Ultraman, I am always myself. It is always good to have some discussion and it makes LYK more exposure.
How can you know my God would not be happy to my MJ and Mark-6? Are you God? hehehe
If someone would donate 50% of the prize when he/she win the lucky draw, I really don't think that God would be sad.

You said you hate people "tell lies with their eyes widely opened", in my opinion, as I always try to believe ALL things that you guys tell me. I am quite honest, so I think that you guys are as honest as me.

shutterbug

原帖由 katamari 於 2009-1-7 02:07 發表


Shutterbug 你覺得Nam讀左９年聖經waste of time，gum Nam接觸過的基督徒個Ｄ行為係對於你或者信主Ｄ人係有冇問題呢？我本人唔覺Nam有咩浪費時間喎，難道睇用９年睇晒金庸Ｄ書後記唔晒Ｄ故事情節又叫浪費時間嗎？你讀gum多年書老師教你 ...

Well, I said "seems like a waste of time"...what I really meant of course it's better to read a little and get as much out as possible.  However, it's like after 9 years of school you don't even learn ABC well, then is that a problem?

Don't say I'm 勁, I never said that myself!

shutterbug

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-7 02:24 發表

In HK, soccer used to be a very healthy sport game until soccer gambling is legalized. From then on, soccer is (could be) a gambling tool too. So, is playing soccer OK in church? Would there be peopl ...

I don't want to be off topic too far, but I'll answer this one.  Soccer so far is still not considered as a gambling game yet.  Plus the gambling happens externally for the most part.  People gamble on many things, do those all need to be reconsider for the church?  I don't think so...it's case by case...what's the history of gambling in MJ compared to soccer?  You can answer this one yourself.

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shutterbug

原帖由 CWong 於 2009-1-7 04:22 發表
与其喺道花時閒講幾百十句去辯論，倒不如直接帮助週圍有需要嘅人，多說些安慰人的說話！
林前13：1“我若能說萬人的方言，並天使的話語，卻沒有愛，我就成了鳴的鑼、響的鈸一般！”
林前13：2 “我若有先知講道之能，也能明白各樣的奧秘， ...

How do you know I haven't done that?

Also, if there was no talks or debates, lots of Christians won't be Christians today.

Also, it talks about "love" specifically, and love can be in many forms.  You can pray for people and it's still considered as love, just one example.

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samsung

原帖由 MoiRhapsody 於 2009-1-7 00:37 發表


其實.....
番左黎嫁喇..........

又會﹖
返左黎變左 cdrom ﹖
抑或改左名呀﹖
唔通大個仔左﹐唔再講粗口﹖
真可惜啊。。。
這作風唔似 Lancer 窩。。。
等我想打個招呼都唔得添﹐好鬼掛住他呢。。。

chunsh

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2009-1-7 09:11 發表
Well, I said "seems like a waste of time"...what I really meant of course it's better to read a little and get as much out as possible.  However, it's like after 9 years of school you don't even learn ABC well, then is that a problem?

Don't say I'm 勁, I never said that myself!

I dont get your explanation about spending 9 years but still not able to learn ABC example
yeah, u never said you are 勁, but what you said here does mean that: you don't need to spend 9 years and still learn the meaning of truth and justice from god (from your POV)

starbug

我成日都有個諗法:就係呀耶穌可能都唔係想D人類咁做嘅, 而家宗教嘅一切例如教會都唔係耶穌嘅意願, 我諗佢在生就一定唔會派隊十字軍去打人幾鑊, 仲要打到尾都要送D十幾歲靚仔去死(因為D大人已經死晒).

佢可能衹係想人人豐衣足食, 你信唔信我都唔緊要, 做好人就得嘞.

shutterbug

原帖由 chunsh 於 2009-1-7 10:29 發表


I dont get your explanation about spending 9 years but still not able to learn ABC example
yeah, u never said you are 勁, but what you said here does mean that: you don't need to spend 9 years and s ...

Don't force me to eat dead cat again!  I have not even thought that I'm more 勁 than others.  I don't need a comparison.  Don't try to portray what I think.  A 10 year old can understand the basics of the Bible is less than a year.  I don't know why an average adult cannot in 9 years of studying the Bible.  I really wonder what he was reading!  The same verse in 9 years???

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Nam

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2009-1-7 11:09 發表

Don't force me to eat dead cat again!  I have not even thought that I'm more 勁 than others.  I don't need a comparison.  Don't try to portray what I think.  A 10 year old can understand the basics o ...

According to what you said, you are putting dead cat in my mouth too la.

Studied 9 years of  bible not equal I will be so into it that I will memorized them by heart.  I pointed out of 9 years, just want to let you know that it's not I don't spend time on bible and go aganist it.

BUT sicne you want to ZOOM IN the number of years.. I can't stop you.

The reason why I said you are pretty much putting dead cat in my mouth is.

I did study that and I do know why GOD do not approve so called false god.
DOES THAT MEAN I have to agree on it?

WHAT I WAS trying to point out is, it is ok for Christian to believe only jesus is the only mightly god but we are living in a diversified environment where there are different religion that people believe as deep as how they believe in God.

And if you want to believe all other god are false god, keep it in your heart.
Don't go finger point at everyone, saying that "you wasted 9 years of education and still do not understand about false god" or "goon yum is an evil god".

AND I WAS NOT finger pointing you, that YOU ARE the one who said that in front of my parents face.

I WAS giving examples and you assumed I was talking about you.

OR May be I'm not as GOOD as you are, WASTED 9 years of studying bible and still so aganist it.

AND what's wrong with swearing? I think you owe my friend an appology as I know he is a very faithful Christian.  Based on what you said, swearing = a shame of being a Christian?

I asked him that question before, he said it's like being flexible with non-believer and he see that is a way to communicate with others.

And now, how do you know God did not swear?
So you said that if god swear, you will not follow him.
How do you prove that he did not swear AT all?