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原帖由 MoiRhapsody 於 2009-1-7 01:29 發表
Nam,你再唔信我就Ban你唔俾你入無人駕駛!

MoiRhapsody,

oh sh!t, I'm worried now. I should shut up from now on.
The only reason why I become more active on replying post due to the # of hours online @ LYK restriction...

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原帖由 chunsh 於 2009-1-5 22:50 發表


何謂"成熟的基督徒" 和"不成熟的基督徒"?

我想﹐這個世界上沒有一個可以稱為完全成熟的基督徒吧
人有7情6慾﹐自私﹐貪婪﹐凶殘......只要基督徒是人﹐就不可能有例外
早前有機會去join一個教會event, 發覺那些教友本身只係 ...


please feel free to join mine
plus, the bible encrypted way more messages and lessons there.
Before I really get into the religion, i often heard of "believe me & u'll be free from hell," which made me more rebellious and want to go against the religion...
however, different churches & diff people explain it differently because they grasped messages from the bible in diff. priorities...
Please feel free to join my church...

47th & Fraser (Lord's Love Church)
Sunday Service 930-1030
Sunday School 1130-1230 (highly recommended)

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原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-7 05:28 發表


"people should not do anything that is harmful to their bodies (health)"..
咁係唔係唔應該BBQ, 因為食得多BBQ燶左既食物係會致癌? 定係唔好燒咁燶? 但係唔夠耐又未必熟, 又會有蟲, 影響身體woh.
I agree  ...

See?! There are a lot of things didn't tell words by words from the bible, and people have to decide what can do and what can't do (as I mentioned). Is it a "problem" for Christians/Catholics smoke, watch AV, clubbing, drink alcohol, not lending money to others, not donate money to charities in different religious background.... ? Every believer could have different view, and so many people think of this, another reason why they don't want to believe these religions.

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原帖由 Nam 於 2009-1-7 12:17 發表



According to what you said, you are putting dead cat in my mouth too la.

Studied 9 years of  bible not equal I will be so into it that I will memorized them by heart.  I pointed out of 9 years, j ...

I put a dead cat in your mouth?  How?  For an average person who studied in something for 9 years, it's reasonable to say that he should have reasonable understanding of it.  However, from what you said and your attitude towards Christianity totally not fit 9 years of studying.  I was questioning and wondering about what you did.  You can have poor memory and say you can't remember what you studied if you want but I guess you still remember what you learned in elementary school right so your memory can't be that bad, can it?

I owe your friend an apology?  On what?  Based on what I said "swearing = a shame of being a Christian"?  Maybe your swearing Christian friend owe an apology to God instead!

I asked him that question before, he said it's like being flexible with non-believer and he see that is a way to communicate with others.

Flexible?  Once again it shows how your friend's attitude toward Christianity is.  Go ask any pastor instead of your friend, see if this is flexible.  How come you kept asking your friends instead of the pastors out there?  What makes words from your friend's mouth gold?  Or even better, have you tried to find the answer in the Bible yourself?

And now, how do you know God did not swear?
So you said that if god swear, you will not follow him.
How do you prove that he did not swear AT all?

Why do you have to put the burden of proof on me?  Why don't you proof that Jesus sweared first?  Anyway, once again it shows how much you know about the Bible.  Do you remember before Jesus went on the cross he was punished by the Roman soldiers who did a whole bunch of bad things to him, falsely accusing him and making fun of him.  Did he say a bad word from his mouth?  Not even once!  When he was judged in front of Pilate, people were trying to come up with the wrong deeds that he had done but they couldn't find any.  At the end they accused him of being Jewish King.  In short, if he had done the slightest bad thing once, he wouldn't be accused of being the Jewish King.

It's funny how you *selectively* choose to believe in things from the Bible.  So is it like if you like a certain thing from the Bible, you believe, if not you don't?  If so, I think you should create your own religion then instead of claiming yourself being a Christian.

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原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-7 05:36 發表


Ultraman, I am always myself. It is always good to have some discussion and it makes LYK more exposure.
How can you know my God would not be happy to my MJ and Mark-6? Are you God? hehehe
If someone would donate 50% of the prize when he/she win the lucky draw, I really don't think that God would be sad.

You said you hate people "tell lies with their eyes widely opened", in my opinion, as I always try to believe ALL things that you guys tell me. I am quite honest, so I think that you guys are as honest as me.

In your POV, whether Christians/Catholics can gamble or not could be debating, but my POV is it is clearly stated in the bible. You should ask more believers' opinion. However, since it is not written like that words by words, people could have different understanding anyways. You'll know one day you meet your God.

As another lyk (SB) put up an example, how if a robbery donate money to a church, would God be appreciated? I'm sure you think that God will be happy too.

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原帖由 shutterbug 於 2009-1-7 08:13 發表

I don't want to be off topic too far, but I'll answer this one.  Soccer so far is still not considered as a gambling game yet.  Plus the gambling happens externally for the most part.  People gamble on many things, do those all need to be reconsider for the church?  I don't think so...it's case by case...what's the history of gambling in MJ compared to soccer?  You can answer this one yourself.

What is a "gambling tool" and what isn't? What ever a tool is being used for gambling, it is a gambling tool (at that moment). That's why I said playing chess could be too (even PS3, xbox....). But if money (or any other "material") is not involved, those tools are not for gambling, and so they ain't gambling tool. Why quote a fixed title to them? Doesn't this kind of attitude fits into the topics' 8 categories?

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原帖由 angeldevil 於 2009-1-7 13:17 發表


please feel free to join mine
plus, the bible encrypted way more messages and lessons there.
Before I really get into the religion, i often heard of "believe me & u'll be free from hell," which made ...


thanks for the invites, but I have enough exp about those kinds of groupings starting from my high school ages in hk till 2008

one minor reason I don't want to join church
I don't want to be nice to the people that I don't like. I wouldn't mean to people I don't like, but I would throw up if I need to pretend to be nice to him/her (well, u know, brothers, sisters). What I found in church, people are SEEMED to be nice to each others, friends to each other with brotherly/sisterly love. But somehow I observed that its not true.

churches are formed by people, some people just can't get along with the others. Pretending to be nice to each other is just lying to each other (including themselves)

hey, did god ask u not to lie?

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原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-7 13:45 發表

See?! There are a lot of things didn't tell words by words from the bible, and people have to decide what can do and what can't do (as I mentioned). Is it a "problem" for Christians/Catholics smoke,  ...

Nonetheless the basis for salvation should be the same.  How does that stop anyone from believing?

Using the previous example BBQ, even a non-believer knows eating BBQ frequently is not healthy.  If you're a wise man, then you should know what to do, don't need to say believe in Christ or not.  Eat BBQ once in a while is perfectly fine wor.

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原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-7 13:55 發表

What is a "gambling tool" and what isn't? What ever a tool is being used for gambling, it is a gambling tool (at that moment). That's why I said playing chess could be too (even PS3, xbox....). But i ...

I agree on this wor.  But for the sake of non believers and not to give a bad image, playing MJ in a church is not recommended.  Ask some other people how they feel if they see Christians playing MJ in church on Sunday without knowing that they don't play money?  As simple as that.

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原帖由 shutterbug 於 2009-1-7 13:05 發表

Nonetheless the basis for salvation should be the same.  How does that stop anyone from believing?

Using the previous example BBQ, even a non-believer knows eating BBQ frequently is not healthy.  If ...

I think I (not a believer) have a clearer concept than mj, he/she should read your comment sincerely.

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