peter236

原帖由 Lik 於 2009-2-19 18:55 發表

Soli哥你咁醒，又唔見你出來返講兩嘴，分析下點解特政府響依家個市咁差嘅時候都唔做野來刺激經濟同個市？你又知唔知到唔止淨係澳門同臺灣，就連阿爺響國內都一樣諗緊派唔派錢，或者點樣派錢來搞返旺個場？While you're at it,我 ...

You think Obama is smart. He is just borrowing money from China. A few years down the road, the US will be saddled with trillions more of debt which need to be paid down over the next few decades.

This is still early in the game, we don't even know how long the recession will be. We will see which countries are the winners over the next few years.

MyOMy

我有時真係懐疑 Soli 哥, Peter 哥係同–個人。 有時前後言論前後脚, 有時論調雷同呼應。情况同 P哥, T哥差吾多。

soli

分析下點解特政府響依家個市咁差嘅時候都唔做野來刺激經濟同個市？

港府做左o甘多野, 阿力兄可以話無做野我都真係服左你囉~

經濟差時我一向都支持增加政府開支(之前阿力兄唔係支持保守黨平衡預算咩?點解一講到香港就轉態?)﹐  但都要有個限度﹐ 而且直接派錢對GDP既multiplier 係最低﹐  仲會增加aggregate demand,  必定會帶黎通貨膨脹﹐ 分分鐘得不償失。

一講到派錢﹐  邊個唔鍾意? D政客就係利用呢點黎撈政治本錢﹐  唔理後果﹐ 本來都無可厚非﹐  最慘就係有D傻仔被利用左都唔知~﹐

大陸過去十年國民平均儲蓄率接近50%﹐  即係賺100蚊, 只會用50蚊﹐  當然有條件去派錢刺激消費。 美國係賺100蚊洗120蚊﹐  仲以刺激消費黎帶動經濟﹐ 只可以話係飲鳩止渴﹐  無辦法中既辦法。。

[ 本帖最後由 soli 於 2009-2-19 22:15 編輯 ]

mcjohnjohn

原帖由 MyOMy 於 2009-2-20 12:58 發表
我有時真係懐疑 Soli 哥, Peter 哥係同–個人。 有時前後言論前後脚, 有時論調雷同呼應。情况同 P哥, T哥差吾多。

不如我地成立一個狗仔隊, 專門睇下有冇LYK member 前後脚啦~
不過, 一睇就知Soli 哥同Peter 哥唔係一個人黎啦!
點解? 因為一個叫Soli, 一個叫Peter 呀...

mcjohnjohn

原帖由 soli 於 2009-2-20 13:10 發表
一講到派錢﹐  邊個唔鍾意? D政客就係利用呢點黎撈政治本錢﹐  唔理後果﹐ 本來都無可厚非﹐  最慘就係有D傻仔被利用左都唔知~﹐

大陸過去十年國民平均儲蓄率接近50%﹐  即係賺100蚊, 只會用50蚊﹐  當然有條件去派錢刺激消費。 美國係賺100蚊洗120蚊﹐  仲以刺激消費黎帶動經濟﹐ 只可以話係飲鳩止渴﹐  無辦法中既辦法。。

有傻仔比人利用左... 唔會係力兄卦...
乜原來大陸人儲到咁多錢架? 唔怪得成日見佢地拎住一疊疊cash 來港消費啦!

Lik

原帖由 soli 於 2009-2-19 21:10 發表
港府做左o甘多野, 阿力兄可以話無做野我都真係服左你囉~

經濟差時我一向都支持增加政府開支(之前阿力兄唔係支持保守黨平衡預算咩?點解一講到香港就轉態?)﹐  但都要有個限度﹐ 而且直接派錢對GDP既multiplier 係最低﹐  仲會增加aggregate demand,  必定會帶黎通貨膨脹﹐ 分分鐘得不償失。

一講到派錢﹐  邊個唔鍾意? D政客就係利用呢點黎撈政治本錢﹐  唔理後果﹐ 本來都無可厚非﹐  最慘就係有D傻仔被利用左都唔知~﹐

大陸過去十年國民平均儲蓄率接近50%﹐  即係賺100蚊, 只會用50蚊﹐  當然有條件去派錢刺激消費。 美國係賺100蚊洗120蚊﹐  仲以刺激消費黎帶動經濟﹐ 只可以話係飲鳩止渴﹐  無辦法中既辦法。。

香港特衰政府做咗咁多野？唔知 Soli 兄係話阿 9up權前思後常之後決定響有入息審查下先肯俾多 ＄300 做生果金而引至全民公憤？定係泰國暴動，但係港府卻遲遲都唔肯派飛機去接返D市民返香港？而到後尾包咗飛機，但又攪到一塌糊塗咁淨係接得幾廿個？定係 Soli 講緊香港特衰政府點樣用特區公安去政治打壓社會運動人士？定係李少光見到香港人俾澳門搵笨實，有證件都唔俾人地過澳門採訪？定係特衰政府做得陰質事多，連車公都要整支下下籤阿發叔嘆？定係特衰政府攪母語教學攪到一 pet 屎咁，而白白犧牲咗一代小朋友嘅補貴光陰？講到呢度，我都淨係講到特衰政府由 2009年開始所做果D陰質事咋？要我再繼續數返轉頭都仲得呀！

記得小弟之前一直支持保守黨政府個 deficit budget，但係就有好多牛鬼蛇神、鬼卒妖孽盟咁話保守黨揮霍無度，為咗私慾不甘被倒台﹐不惜置加國人民於死地：

http://www.loyaukee.com/forum/vi ... &extra=page%3D4

原帖由 soli 於 2009-1-29 03:38 發表
哈巴之前話加拿大經濟極其量只會少少衰退﹐唔需要特別做D乜﹐要平衡預算﹐又話如果學美國o甘勁洗錢就實衰云云。o甘而加財政預算以人均計﹐洗得仲勁過美國﹐o甘加拿大咪實死無生?

究竟係保守黨覺今是而昨非﹐認之前係自己短視無料到﹐錯判經濟形勢﹐定係仍然認為加拿大無需要run deficit﹐但為了私慾不甘被倒台﹐不惜置加國人民於死地呢?

而依家同一條友竟然仲口口聲聲話自己於經濟差時一向都支持增加政府開支。一個月唔使就轉呔轉得咁快，我以為民建聯最無恥嗟，原來有人仲勁過佢地！

派錢嘅 multiplier effect 低？點底都高過政府帶頭嘅 spending 喎？政府帶頭嘅 infrastructure 工程，的確可以為未來經濟復甦嘅時候帶來好處，但洗錢果一下卻只係益到一少部份嘅工業同工人，而且響香港嘅情況來講，絕大部份嘅建築物料會來自內地，而高級策劃就外判，香港本地工人同建造業緊本份唔到幾多錢。反為全民派錢嘅話，相對來講就公度好多，而且中下層人士儸到錢之後大多數都會用咗佢來幫補日常嘅生活開資，加強咗個 multiplier effect 之時亦帶旺個市。

你話美國以消費來帶動經濟，我同意㗎！而且我亦同意呢個係一個無辦法之中嘅辦法。不過人地依家都仲係全球經濟一哥，佢條貴利數欠得起喎？佢唔掂嘅話，全世界都要陪佢一齊 PK，而且佢亦掌管住世界第一貨幣果部印銀紙機。佢要印銀紙，你又吹得佢脹咩？

-力

peter236

Lik, Hong Kong has lots of cash, way better than Canada where you have to pay off the debt, at all levels of government, over the next few decades. Hong Kong government is among the smartest in the world. Look at the US, UK, Japan, Canada and Eastern Europe, they are all crumbling now.

[ 本帖最後由 peter236 於 2009-2-20 04:21 編輯 ]

Lik

原帖由 peter236 於 2009-2-20 03:18 發表
Lik, Hong Kong has lots of cash, way better than Canada where you have to pay off the debt, at all levels of government, over the next few decades. Hong Kong government is among the smartest in the world. Look at the US, UK, Japan, Canada and Eastern Europe, they are all crumbling now.

Peter,

You are entirely correct that the HK SAR government has a lot of $$ on hand (stashed away in the reserves), and example after example have shown how incredibly reluctant the SAR government is in spending any of it on its very own citizens, even during times of extremely dire needs (such as the worst economic crisis the World has seen in 80+ years. Whenever I repeat this rhetoric, you claim that HK has no basis to increase public spendings because the city's low tax rates cannot afford such "extravagance". And now you are telling me that HK has a lot of cash on hands? Do you even know what "consistency" and "credibility" means?

Your claim that "Hong Kong government is among the smartest in the world." is even more idiotic. Anyone with eyes for the last 12 years knows what kind of shxt the HK SAR government has gotten HK into. There were certainly some good deeds being done among the bad over the years, but haven't my previous post (post #86) already shown you enough moronic blunders committed by this utterly brainless government?!

-Lik

BiscottiGelato

Albeit from 2 years ago...
http://www.american.com/archive/ ... ents/still-the-one/

It's the law and the lack of economic intervention that allowed HK to remain prosperous. Do we really want the gov't to muck around with the economy so much? What do we want HK to become? Canada? or US? (I mean the debt of course LOL).

BiscottiGelato

原帖由 Lik 於 2009-2-20 10:10 發表

Peter,

You are entirely correct that the HK SAR government has a lot of $$ on hand (stashed away in the reserves), and example after example have shown how incredibly reluctant the SAR government is ...

Because spending away doesn't get you out of a recession. You can see how people react whenever Bush and Obama is successful in passing stimulus package... People just freak the heck out and run from the US market.

If HK is just like the US and start spending away... HK won't be HK no more and you won't have a HK in 20 years time....

I think soli n such hinted at that the so called reserve, is not an actual gov't reserve, but a reserved used to stablize the exchange rate between the USD and HKD...?