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作者: Lik 時間: 2009-9-1 14:12 標題: Federal Liberals Wants a Nov Election

http://www.vancouversun.com/news ... /1951317/story.html

Ignatieff will no longer support Tories
BY JULIET O’NEIL, CANWEST NEWS SERVICESEPTEMBER 1, 2009 2:51 PM

SUDBURY, Ont. — Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff on Tuesday set the stage for a possible November election, declaring the "time is up" for the minority Conservative government.

But the New Democratic Party said it would try to work with the government, threatening to throw a wrench into the Grit plan to defeat Prime Minister Stephen Harper soon after the Sept. 14 resumption of Parliament.

Harper responded by asserting Canadians do not want the "political instability" of an election campaign when legislators should be tending to the economy.

The Liberals would need NDP and Bloc Quebecois support for a non-confidence motion in the House of Commons that Liberal MP Bob Rae said they would present "at the earliest opportunity."

Ignatieff accused the Harper government of failing to deliver promised economic stimulus to create jobs, failing to present a credible plan to eliminate the deficit and failing to protect Canadians caught in difficulty abroad.

"After four years of drift, four years of denial, four years of division and discord — Mr. Harper, your time is up," Ignatieff declared in an address to his national caucus at a retreat to prepare MPs and senators for the resumption of Parliament in two weeks.

"The Liberal party cannot support this government any further. We will hold Stephen Harper to account. We will oppose his government in Parliament."

NDP deputy leader Thomas Mulcair said his party wants to give Parliament a chance to work and sees no immediate reason to support a fall vote. Canadians cast ballots in 2006 and 2008.

"The only way there is going to be an election is if Mr. Harper provokes one" by calling it himself or refusing to make any concessions in Parliament whatsoever, Mulcair said.

"We in the NDP are saying we're going back to Parliament to try to make it work."

Mulcair also questioned why the Liberals would try to defeat the government without an obvious pressing issue, when the party has supported dozens of Harper government initiatives with no strings attached.

Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe was withholding comment until Wednesday. The Bloc has been awaiting the results of a Conservative-Liberal panel examining the employment insurance system.

Liberal officials say they have the funds for a campaign, their membership topped 100,000 this week and internal polls show they stand a good chance of forming a minority government.

They said if they do not manage to defeat the government they will still be asserting themselves as a strong Opposition instead of a party of empty threats, and shifting the onus onto the NDP and Bloc to prop up the government.

"The window (for a non-confidence motion) would be between the first and seventh of October," Liberal House leader Ralph Goodale told reporters.

Given a minimum of 36 days before an election, he said, Canadians could be headed to the polls as soon as Nov. 9 or 16.

(story continued at the above link)

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-9-1 14:17

I hope the Liberal clowns will convince the BQ and NDP opportunists to go through with the non-confidence vote, and bring Canadians back to the polls. No sane citizen will want to see an election 1 year after the last one, and in the midst of our global economic crisis. Doing so will give Canadians a chance to grant the Conservatives a chance at a majority government and punish these Liberal fools for wasting our time and money.

-Lik

作者: soli 時間: 2009-9-1 20:21

保守黨一早就應該倒臺﹐判斷錯誤﹐搞到經濟一團糟﹐自由黨執政後大把手尾要跟。

作者: sheep 時間: 2009-9-1 20:55

保守黨一早就應該倒臺﹐判斷錯誤﹐搞到經濟一團糟﹐自由黨執政後大把手尾要跟。
soli 發表於 2009-9-1 21:21

你傻0架
有冇睇新聞呀
係人都屌佢戇九啦
果個圓糜真係白癡
講咩第一反對黨就要為反對來反對
hold人accountable同反對係兩回事呀

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2009-9-2 10:48

保守黨一早就應該倒臺﹐判斷錯誤﹐搞到經濟一團糟﹐自由黨執政後大把手尾要跟。
soli 發表於 2009-9-1 20:21

Tell me which country 搞到經濟好 for the past 2 years? Even China stock market is slumping 25% for the past 3 weeks... not to mention main street economy being much worse...

I don't know if Liberal vs Conservative which is better. But I will not vote for whoever that will cause another election this fall, and I will definately make whichever vote necassary to increase the chance of forming a majority gov't. You get what I mean...

作者: soli 時間: 2009-9-2 12:11

七大工業國中﹐加拿大經濟復甦最差勁。
之前某人話加拿大銀行體制點健全無o甘受打擊﹐點知即使出左個以比例計比美國更龐大既財赤預算﹐經濟表現還是最差o個個﹐要點樣解釋?
再大選我一定投自由黨唔洗諗﹐歷史教訓我們﹐保守黨執政﹐經濟必差勁。
執政越耐衰得越耐。

作者: news 時間: 2009-9-2 13:33

this is so f-ing annoying

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-9-2 14:21

七大工業國中﹐加拿大經濟復甦最差勁。
soli 發表於 2009-9-2 12:11

Huh? Which alternative universe have you been living in?

As far as I know, the Canadian economy has been doing better, relative to the US economy. It is true that Ontario suffered some heavy casualties early in the year, but a big part of that had to do with the fall out of the US (domestic) auto industries.

Another obvious sign the Canadian economy is in better shape than the US' is our real estate market's earlier recovery.

-Lik

作者: soli 時間: 2009-9-2 14:53

本帖最後由 soli 於 2009-9-2 15:55 編輯

Canada suffers worst economic performance in G7

Contrary to Transport Minister John Baird's claim that "we have the best financial situation of the G8 countries," (Press Conference, August 31, 2009) the United States and the rest of our traditional G7 partners are outpacing Canada's economic recovery, leaving Canadians concerned about their economic future and the country's direction.

The Facts:

Canada's economy shrunk more in the Second Quarter compared to the First Quarter than any of our G7 partners:

Japan 0.9 % Growth
Germany 0.3 % Growth
France 0.3 % Growth
United States 0.3 % Decline
Italy 0.5 % Decline
Britain 0.8 % Decline
Canada 0.9 % Decline

(Source: OECD, http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/62/27/43514819.pdf, StatsCan)

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-9-2 16:10

Quoting a single statistical figure is often meaningless. In a quick search, I found these stats:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/r ... ack/article1270430/
Canada:
1st quarter GDP: 6.1% drop
2nd quarter GDP: 3.5$ drop

http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/gdpnewsrelease.htm
US:
first quarter GDP: 6.4% drop
2nd quarter GDP: 1% drop

Also bear in mind that the GDP figure alone is not the most meaningful. At the very least, you'll need to look at the amount of additional debt the government sustained in attempt to boost the economy. The US' Cash for Clunkers program along has cost the US government an eye popping $3 billion while accounting for a 0.2% of GDP activity. Is that something Canada wants to do as well?

But we're getting OT. Iggy is a power-hungry idiot. I hope Baldy Layton will be stupid enough to change his mind and fall for the flawed attempt to overthrow the Conversatives despite what the NDP spokesperson is saying here. But I suppose Duceppe and BQ are too smart to fall for this.

In any case, I fully anticipate that Duceppe and BQ will once again manage to use this opportunity to milk the federal government for more perks and $$ no matter how things turn out.

-Lik

作者: soli 時間: 2009-9-2 17:20

保守黨份財赤預算﹐乘返人口比例﹐同美國比都係不惶多讓﹐實際赤字可能仲驚人﹐但對刺激經濟結果竟然是G7中包尾﹐話唔係人既問題都好難。

作者: salad_bread 時間: 2009-9-2 20:07

保守黨最鍾意用人地D錢去做佢自己既功績
由以前到而家都係咁

作者: heykevin 時間: 2009-9-2 20:55

If this is the case then I expect this election to reach a new low with voter turn out.

作者: fm9610 時間: 2009-9-3 00:38

13# heykevin

Judging from what the conservative has done against what the liberal did when in power, I think the conservative has done more and I will definite vote for them in the next election. Just look at what the ex-Richmond MP Mr Chan did is a good example.

作者: salad_bread 時間: 2009-9-3 07:05

13# heykevin

Judging from what the conservative has done against what the liberal did when in power, I think the conservative has done more and I will definite vote for them in the next election. ...
fm9610 發表於 2009-9-3 01:38

hahaha, then I think you must went to the Alice Wong free Babercue party last weekend la~
the Conservative has done so much!!

作者: sheep 時間: 2009-9-3 08:34

保守黨最鍾意用人地D錢去做佢自己既功績
由以前到而家都係咁
salad_bread 發表於 2009-9-2 21:07

you mean you have under table deals with Captain Chan when he was in power?

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-9-3 14:55

Ugh...

http://www.vancouversun.com/busi ... /1959052/story.html

Chances of fall federal election appear to increase
BY DAVID AKIN, CANWEST NEWS SERVICE
SEPTEMBER 3, 2009 1:51 PM

OTTAWA — There will be no "backroom deals" to avoid a fall federal election, Prime Minister Stephen Harper and NDP Leader Jack Layton both declared Thursday.

With Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff and the Bloc Quebecois' Gilles Duceppe saying much the same thing earlier this week, it has become increasingly likely that the election nobody wants is the election that everyone will get.

"We see the signs of a recovery — that's what we should be focused on," Harper told reporters in Niagara Falls, Ont. "It bothers me when I see parties are worried there is a recovery. They want to force an election before we get too deep into a recovery and that's not responsible.

"An election does nothing but present a great risk to the country that we could get off track."

But Liberal MP Bob Rae, speaking in the foyer of the House of Commons, rejected such a charge as Conservative fear-mongering.

"There's an effort here on the part of the Conservatives to create an atmosphere of total instability," Rae said. "Well, we're not a banana republic. Mr. Harper's not a generalissimo yet. He has to get used to living in a constitutional democracy."

Rae said that, for example, Canadians can still expect to cash in their home renovation tax credits when they fill out their tax returns in the spring. Indeed, he said he plans on taking advantage of that credit himself.

The tax credit was in the spring budget but legislation formally implementing it has not yet passed Parliament. The Conservatives may introduce that legislation as soon as Parliament reconvenes Sept. 14. The vote on that legislation, because it is a tax measure, would constitute a confidence vote.

Rae also said an election would not interrupt negotiations Canada will begin this fall with the United States to eliminate the "Buy American" clause in the U.S. Economic Recovery Act, a provision which restricts the ability of many Canadian manufacturers to win U.S. contracts.

"Life will go on. The government will go forward," Rae said. "The economy will recover better if there is a Liberal government but the economy will go on."

Layton, the last of the three leaders in the Commons to respond to Ignatieff's declaration Tuesday that his party would try to defeat the government at the first opportunity in the fall parliamentary session, challenged Harper to be more flexible on his legislative agenda.

"The choice is yours, Mr. Harper," Layton said during an afternoon news conference in Halifax. "You can either choose to work with other political parties to try to make life better for Canadians or you can choose to call an election. Whichever you decide, the NDP will be ready."

As a tumultuous political week comes to a close, all four federal parties appear to be in stasis, with each saying that someone else will have to bend to make Parliament work.

Notably though, neither Layton nor Duceppe appeared to accuse Ignatieff of precipitating what could be the country's second election campaign in less than a year. Instead, they put the onus on Harper to make nice with his political opponents.

"I'm not making any backroom deals with the prime minister. I'm simply suggesting it's time for him to show some leadership to reach out and make Parliament work," Layton said.

"We've been disappointed that there's an unwillingness to reach out and work with opposition parties. If that changes, then he will be making a decision that opens the possibility that we might not have an election," Layton said.

That is a significantly different approach for Layton and the NDP. On nearly 80 confidence motions the Conservatives have faced since being re-elected last October, the NDP has always voted against the government and has often mocked the Liberals for not joining them in bringing down the government.

But now, with the Liberals appearing to be as eager for a new government and an election as the NDP was earlier this year, Layton avoided any mention Thursday of the Liberals' new, more aggressive stance.

Though Layton leads the party with the fewest number of MPs in the House of Commons, the parliamentary arithmetic has the potential to give the NDP influence beyond its electoral weight.

The NDP has 36 seats in the 308-seat Commons. The Conservatives hold 143, the Liberals 77, and the Bloc Quebecois 48. (There is one independent and three vacant seats.) As a result, the Conservatives need the help of a single party — or 12 MPs — to vote with them to avoid being defeated on a confidence vote.

But Harper said he will not go shopping for that support.

"We will not be making any backroom deals," Harper said. "If other parties have useful ideas — good, effective, affordable ideas — on the economy, let us see what they are and we will take a look at them. That's been our position all through this Parliament."

Harper, for his part, accused all three of his opponents of ganging up on the government and reminded voters that when they did that last Christmas, the result was a deal to form a Liberal-led coalition government, a proposal that polls showed was deeply unpopular.

"We already know those guys have a deal and I don't want to get into that kind of game," Harper said.

Both Layton and Ignatieff have said there is no such deal.

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-9-3 15:11

It is quite true that Harpy is spewing BS regarding the cancelled home renovations tax credits. Such a popular tax credit program that has already gotten tens of thousands of Canadians committed to their home renovations cannot be scrapped, and any party who tries will face the wrath of Canadian citizens. Still, we see the arrogant Convervatives leading a minority government as though it were a majority one, the power-hungry Ignatiff and his corrupt Liberals putting their own greedy agendas ahead of Canada's greater good, and the scheming Baldy Layton swinging every which way the winds of opportunity blows, and of course, the self-serving Bloc Quebecois trying to milk every last drop of funding from the federal government.

Among the 3+1 bad apples, which one is the best/worst? If I were a Quebecois, I might say the Bloc is the best since they are fighting for my interests. Then again, my conscious would not allow myself to support a party that puts the province's interests ahead of the country's. The Conservatives under Steve Harpy is ruthless, but I suppose that ruthelessness is still better than the Liberals' power lust and the NDP's opportunistic nature.

So who is to blame for the second $300 million wasteed on election and campaigning in a year? If things proceed as they do now, I'll be pegging the majority of that blame on the Liberals and the NDP, and you sure as heck can count on me to punish them for this with my vote.

-Lik

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