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作者: 吳孟達    時間: 2009-10-20 15:22     標題: 華女指遭天車警 上銬掃跌撞爆牙

http://www.mingpaovan.com/htm/News/20091020/vaa1h.htm

【明報專訊】列治文一名華裔鋼琴女教師，上周六在加拿大線車站看見一名懷疑不能出示車票的少年，遭交通特警兩名男女警員圍著喝罵至驚哭，她一時好心上前欲給該少年一張車票，但遭警員掃跌在地當眾鎖在鐵欄約15分鐘，身體多處受傷兼盡受凌辱。她說﹕「我給車票是不對，但亦不應受到特警如此粗暴對待。」

該名聲稱身心皆受重創的愛心女教師陳小姐，由香港移民加國約6年，曾是香港的電台兒童節目主持人，昨日到中僑辦事處求助，獲得中僑協助，將會向運聯、交通特警(Transit Police)、警察投訴部門、國會議員、省議員等投訴，要求討回公道。

陳小姐昨日展示她身上多處傷勢，包括一隻門牙爆裂、嘴唇受傷、左手腕及手背瘀腫、胸口腫痛等，她形容當時被兩名警員掃跌壓著一刻，整個人好像「散哂」又四周無援，跟著又要鎖在月台的鐵欄示眾，被大批乘客「眼望望」，那種難受無法用字句形容。

她說，事發在上周6下午2時30分左右，當時她在加拿大線香港仔站(Aberdeen Canada Line Station)的月台，看見兩名男女警員圍著一名年約12歲的少年，大聲喝罵他，該少年顯得很驚慌及在哭泣，她聽到警員的語氣，好像是說該少年不能出示車票，由於她很疼愛小孩子，突然有衝動上前給他一張車票助他解圍。

被指襲警 鎖在欄杆「示眾」

陳小姐稱，當時女警一手接過她的車票，並指示車票上的說明，說她這做是犯法。她向該女警解釋，她只是愛小孩心切，並非想犯法，又說警員不應以這樣對惡劣態度對待小孩。

「當時女警問我是否挑戰她，又說我襲警，隨即拿出手銬，並掃跌我在地又大叫男警幫手。」陳小姐稱，她完全沒有對女警動手，卻被指襲警及鎖在欄杆，她當時哭了起來，在被鎖了約15分鐘後向警員說，如果她有身孕，後果會很嚴重，並向女警道歉，稱因文化不同而產生誤會，警員後來才解開她的手銬。

本報曾致電交通特警了解事件，但直至截稿仍未見回覆。


作者: peter236    時間: 2009-10-20 15:39

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2009-10-20 16:42 編輯

This is another example of recent immigrant thinking we are "higher class" here, but being maltreated by our "civilized" people.
作者: Quest    時間: 2009-10-20 16:07

Legally speaking: you are not supposed to pass along a ticket to those who are stopped by Canada line (transit) police and cannot display any proper ticket/pass.
作者: PSP550    時間: 2009-10-20 16:11

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作者: soli    時間: 2009-10-20 16:19

呢D咪係加拿大人既人權囉.
敢challenge 高高在上既警察? 無用電槍已經好俾面。
作者: low_B    時間: 2009-10-20 16:46

Haha...you know the police do "really well" all these case, but for the robbery, break in and catch the rape....haha
作者: Lik    時間: 2009-10-20 16:57

Legally speaking: you are not supposed to pass along a ticket to those who are stopped by Canada line (transit) police and cannot display any proper ticket/pass.
Quest 發表於 2009-10-20 16:07

Technically, I don't think a Translink ticket is transferrable at all, even when you are completely finished with your ride. Of course, there is no way for transit police to properly prevent this from happening la. Going up to check on the transit police and the kid is fine, and trying to help the kid is fine as well, but the lady was rather ignorant to hand over her own ticket to the kid when the kid was already "in custody" of the transit police.

Of course, this doesn't mean the transit police's use of excessive force was right either. Let's see how the complaint process goes.

-Lik
作者: Littleprince    時間: 2009-10-20 17:08

暴力對待一個女子當然不對﹐只是這位好心女教師也很缺乏智慧﹐將自己用過的飛轉送﹖ 難道她不知這樣犯法的嗎﹖ (好多人響 METRO 站專門捉這樣做的人喇) 就算她新買一張飛比那個小孩也是不對﹐因為那小孩已經被拉了﹐不是可以算數的﹐情況就如你去打劫﹐是否把貨物歸回物主你就無犯法呢﹖ 當然不可能喇。。。她若愛心爆澎﹐只能在旁邊看看小孩是否有翻譯的需要或者其他協助﹐例如幫助打電話找媽媽之類。。。呢個 CASE 我覺得她告得入的機會很低﹐除非有人 TAPED 了﹐證明警察真係有濫用暴力﹐否則﹐只要男女警一齊證明她的舉止有襲警的嫌疑已經好惡攪﹐祝她好運喇 。。。。只能夠話她好心做壞事囉﹐至於甚麼比人當馬騮看﹐只能說一句﹕ TOO BAD。。。呢D情況好難爭取得到同情。。。
作者: 快樂牛郎    時間: 2009-10-20 17:14

quite deserving
作者: 吳孟達    時間: 2009-10-20 18:06

This is what  I concerned: 遭交通特警兩名男女警員圍著喝罵至驚哭
The police should not 喝罵至驚哭 to a 12 years old kid... imagine he is your brother or sister or son....
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2009-10-20 18:16

天才。
作者: Lil'B    時間: 2009-10-20 18:18

those 'police' can only 'hup' weak ones.
作者: Quest    時間: 2009-10-20 18:21

yup...a bunch of anarchists on the roll again...
作者: BiscottiGelato    時間: 2009-10-20 18:32

i bet u the 12 years old kid doesn't even know that he/she have violated the laws or whatever...

The fault is on translink, who used our hard earned tax money to hire cops that have egos way bigger than brains, instead of using the money to buy TURNSILEs which can prevent both fare evaders and people who unintentionally didn't pay for fares...

On the other hand, whoever that says this is not a perfect example of the police doing a powertrip to satisfy their ego is just plain ignorant.
作者: Quest    時間: 2009-10-20 18:45

How would you know that that 12 yr old kid isn't one of those a-whole who would act defiantly when being interrogated?

(*ok, I'm a regular transit rider and I've seen a-wholes screaming and shouting at the authorities all the time...do they (authorities incl. transit police) deserve such treatment? What if you walk a mile in their shoes and feel how they feel?

This posting is obviously one-sided and I don't believe in any side at all, period.

Just like that recent US campus beating where someone used their camera to upload the campus police subduing that kid in-question... next thing you know: symphathysers and anarchists cried justice on the campus police side...and that is what I called "one-sided" story.
作者: BiscottiGelato    時間: 2009-10-20 19:01

本帖最後由 BiscottiGelato 於 2009-10-20 19:12 編輯
How would you know that that 12 yr old kid isn't one of those a-whole who would act defiantly when being interrogated?

(*ok, I'm a regular transit rider and I've seen a-wholes screaming and shouting  ...
Quest 發表於 2009-10-20 18:45


Shouting and screaming at the police? Big deal. They are on the job paid to serve the public. Do they expect everyone to please their ego while they are on their job and feel good? They are paid to go into difficult situations and resolve them. If there are no difficult situations around town then maybe we have over budgeted for law enforcements. If screaming fare evaders can get on their nerves to resort to violence and oppresive forces, then I think they need serious EQ assessment.

Getting pinned down, a tooth knocked out, bruises all over, hand cuffed for 15 minutes, and being accursed of assault on a transit police for mere transit offenses? Talk about who deserves what and who doesn't deserves what.

I expect public servants to be calm and do their job, not big ego and power trips. Just like I expect police car sirens to be used when officers need to rush to a case. Not just be turned on before a red light and off afterwards... Nowadays, who cares what the tax payers' expects? It's all about whose in power. Taxpaying slaves should just shut-up and continued to be abused by all sides. What a wonderful world?
作者: Littleprince    時間: 2009-10-20 19:17

This is what  I concerned: 遭交通特警兩名男女警員圍著喝罵至驚哭
The police should not 喝罵至驚哭 to a 12 years old kid... imagine he is your brother or sister or son....
吳孟達 發表於 2009-10-20 19:06

係﹐除非有第三四五者作證﹐否則 喝罵至驚哭 這詞乃是出自女教師之口﹐難保沒有偏袒之言﹐哪知小孩不是因為自己犯法被捉而嚇至驚哭呢﹖ 而女教師為爭取別人同情﹐當然一定會這樣說。

好多人搭車唔比錢﹐呢個亦係事實﹐我搭天車這麼久也見過好多人比人捉。。。唔通真係甘多人以為溫哥華D天車係免費的嗎﹖ 我看 TRANSLINK 真係快快整D閘喇﹐呢個真係刻不容緩呀。。。
作者: chobit    時間: 2009-10-20 19:24

Consider that the kid was only 12, I can see why the 女教師 did what she did..!  Sometime, our emotion override the reasoning..!  I am not her, and don't know her details background...!

IMHO, the T. Police should kindly tell her it's illegal to do so, or she can arrest her in a legal way for such action, let the court decide what need to be done.. or pay a fine.. !  What T. Poice did was simply unaccpetable..!  This is simply a type of corruption within the system..!  I am hoping something can be done with this case..!

Regards,

暴力對待一個女子當然不對﹐只是這位好心女教師也很缺乏智慧﹐將自己用過的飛轉送﹖ 難道她不知這樣犯法的嗎﹖ (好多人響 METRO 站專門捉這樣做的人喇) 就算她新買一張飛比那個小孩也是不對﹐因為那小孩已經被 ...
Littleprince 發表於 2009-10-20 17:08
作者: BiscottiGelato    時間: 2009-10-20 19:28

係﹐除非有第三四五者作證﹐否則 喝罵至驚哭 這詞乃是出自女教師之口﹐難保沒有偏袒之言﹐哪知小孩不是因為自己犯法被捉而嚇至驚哭呢﹖ 而女教師為爭取別人同情﹐當然一定會這樣說。

好多人搭車唔比錢﹐呢個亦係事 ...
Littleprince 發表於 2009-10-20 19:17


Gates is a no brainer, no matter the one time cost. Yet with the call out for gates for pretty much 10+ years, I don't see Translink even taking a single tiny step towards this goal... Call me a conspiracy theorist. Implementing gates means less budget for transit police. Not too sure if anyone on the Translink board is close friends with anyone on the Transit police side.... What we need is some private company CEO that does these gates to be good friends with someone on the board... yeah... that should do the trick...
作者: Littleprince    時間: 2009-10-20 19:29

18# chobit


很重要的一點係﹐現在沒有第三四五者﹐所有說話只係出自女教師的口﹐好難作準。。。她為了告警方﹐當然一定講對自己有利的話﹐除非而家有人挺身而出將整件事和盤托出﹐而且要將那個 12 歲小孩的長相形容一下﹐一個 12 歲的男仔﹐有機會係 4 尺 8﹐長得像小女孩楚楚可憐﹐也有機會長得很成熟身高 5 尺 8﹐﹐看來像 18 歲﹐如果沒有這些資料而作斷定﹐始終有欠公允。。。我們何嘗知道﹐當時女教師的語氣和身體語言呢﹖ 不能因為是警察就先 PRESUME 一定係警方濫權窩。。。可能個女教師身體動作很大﹐英文表達能力差﹐或者語氣好惡﹐惹怒了警方也說不定呢﹖

我不在場﹐只是想提醒大家﹐有時我們不能只聽片面之詞咋。。。
作者: Littleprince    時間: 2009-10-20 19:45

本帖最後由 Littleprince 於 2009-10-20 20:58 編輯

我在重複看兩篇文章﹐點解有D出入﹖ 一篇話 12 歲﹐一篇話十多歲﹖ 12 歲同 十多歲已經可以好大分別﹐十多歲通常指 13 歲而上﹐若男孩十三歲以上有些已經長得很高大﹐就排除了 “楚楚可憐”呢個因素﹐女教師遞上自己用過的票﹐就顯得只是多事了。。。她後來也只是說自己給予男童車票的做法 “可能是不對”﹐顯明她到現在還是不清楚嗎﹖ 那麼 TRANSLINK 似乎應該加重呢方面的宣傳工作﹐因為政府﹐即係納稅人﹐即係我地﹐係支付緊 TRANSLINK 的損失的﹐換言之﹐有人唔買飛或將用過的票給予別人﹐其實係侵犯緊我地的權益。

還有﹐女教師說﹕ 「這裏是加拿大，是講法律的。」就是因為講法律﹐所以男孩才應該被拉啊 (其實嚴格來說應該把她也拉﹐只要參考車站有 POST 的 BYLAW﹐她和男孩都犯了法呀)。。。那她說這話是甚麼用意呢﹖

就在理論期間，女警突然指陳女士襲警， 這中間是否發生了甚麼呢﹖ 就算是電影﹐我也想象不出這場景﹐請問她可以解釋這點嗎﹖ 好像是漏了點甚麼的感覺。。。

加上﹐女警曾問她是要到醫院，但陳為免再惹麻煩，就自行往看醫生。。。。。。。 女警有 OFFERED 窩﹐是她自己說不用﹐說了不用相信警方就不需要負責了﹐因為是否避免麻煩是一件事﹐人家不理她當時的 INTENTION 是甚麼﹐總之一句到尾﹐當時是她自己說“不用”的 (我不知事後追究是否有效﹐看看事情進展吧﹐不過我猜上到法庭拗起來﹐在這點上面她很難會贏)

再聲明﹐不是幫警方說話﹐只係因為溫警比我地印象太差﹐我想盡量與大家一起客觀看這件事而已。。。
作者: low_B    時間: 2009-10-20 20:02

The teacher appear on the omni news in a moment
作者: Littleprince    時間: 2009-10-20 20:17

女事主說她被按在地上約15分鐘，期間人來人往，令她忍不住哭了起來。她氣憤地說：「好似動物園一樣，被來往的人看著，這對我傷害很大。」

這點有多少是她自取的﹐在這麼繁忙的車站﹐難道還可以靜靜進行嗎﹖ 這點警方無咩可以做窩。。。

她向男警表示：「如果我是有身孕，肚中的嬰兒就非常危險。」男警才把她扶起。

她不如索性話有左﹐哈哈。。。其實她這樣說﹐已經響道誤導緊男警﹐“她是有孕的”了。。。

我猜呢件事可以檢討的地方只有兩點﹕
1)  TRANSLINK 應該快D響每個站裝度閘﹐咪可以防止D人唔比錢搭車﹐唔使查飛時捉左D人﹐D人又唔高興 (哭也是脫身的方法嗎﹖)﹐索性部機 BEEP BEEP 聲等D人唔好意思博大霧﹐我見香港地鐵都有人跳閘﹐但畢竟夠膽這樣做又唔怕面懵的人比較少﹐我猜起碼可以杜絕最少 90% 的博懵唔比錢搭車的人 (因為保守估計也許還有 10%係好意思跳閘搭免費車的)。
2) 加速宣傳“將用過的飛轉給別人乃是犯法的”呢件事

TRANSLINK 所謂 TRANSLINK LISTEN (那個早前 LYK POST 的網站)﹐其實係煙霧﹐他問你的﹐都是他們所關心的(例如列車改咩名好﹖ 邊款列車較受歡迎) ﹐到我們真有意見想表達﹐其實整個網站係無地方比你出聲的﹐假民主!!!
作者: Littleprince    時間: 2009-10-20 21:00

還有一點必需注意的﹐男童只是懷疑不能出示車票而被警員鬧到喊﹐呢個係她在 2﹕30 見到的一幕﹐豈知道之前發生了甚麼事﹐會不會在 2﹕20 分﹐警員截查男童乃是因為懷疑他在販毒或遊蕩 (車站好多遊蕩的人﹐包括男童) ﹐問他出示身份證而他無法出示﹖ 又或者其他事件又﹐或者他在偷拍別人裙底﹖總之甚麼事都有可能發生在查車票之前。。。第一﹐我們只是聽她片面之詞﹐第二﹐即使她自己也只是懷疑此事件同車票有關﹐或許不止這麼簡單呢﹖ 若事件是牽涉其他﹐她介入就難怪警員以為她有其他企圖﹐例如是同黨想助他脫身之類。。。

若該兩名警員提出其他證詞﹐在沒有其他人證物證之下﹐她非常的泄底﹐根本無得告。。。還有﹐那男童有站出來為她作證嗎﹖
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2009-10-20 22:01

還有一點必需注意的﹐男童只是懷疑不能出示車票而被警員鬧到喊﹐呢個係她在 2﹕30 見到的一幕﹐豈知道之前發生了甚麼事﹐會不會在 2﹕20 分﹐警員截查男童乃是因為懷疑他在販毒或遊蕩 (車站好多遊蕩的人﹐包括男童)  ...
Littleprince 發表於 2009-10-21 13:00

玩法律係有錢人既玩意, 你越有錢, 就越有機會打贏一場官司.
作者: yoursecret    時間: 2009-10-20 23:04

Interesting, I wonder what's Translink's press release. And where's that boy? what's his story? Any other witness? so far only her version...
作者: tapioca    時間: 2009-10-20 23:38

遭交通特警兩名男女警員圍著喝罵至驚哭. Not sure the standard procedure how the police supposed to handle it. But if the child was not able to show the paid ticket and he was not intended to escape or doing anything against them, why the police just yelled or shouted at him rather than arresting him or go thru the proper procedure (eg. get his ID and info, contact his parents...etc)?

Also, to the police, the action that the lady just handed over ticket to the child in front of the public was challenging their authority, that probably made the police, who thought they are with all the powers mad.
作者: low_B    時間: 2009-10-20 23:42

The omni news ask the transit police dept., whole story was recorded by the video,and if the lady have any complain, they're welcome
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-10-21 00:30

If to say they fully trust and follow the honest system, they need not to hire any transit cop.
If to say they don't, why not simply install those 入閂機 (something like the HK MTR ones)?
作者: peter236    時間: 2009-10-21 00:34

This is an abuse of human rights and should be reported. The transit people are too dumb to install those gates at the stations.
作者: chocobun    時間: 2009-10-21 01:03

the teacher's not very smart if she wants to win the case... with her not agreeing to go to the hospital as the police suggested, it's easy to argue that she wasn't harmed but intentionally hurt herself before she arrived at her family doctor.
作者: Purpleheart    時間: 2009-10-21 01:37

個女仔既做法係蠢 and on 9, 不過我地應該好似 littleprince o係Cwong 個 blog 度寫 " 唔好歧視 D 蠢人 "囉 , so far 冇人走出黎做  witness,  係口同鼻拗 , 你地不如學 littleprince 講, 唔好理D蠢人, "修心養性﹐返去 FB 打機好過"
作者: CWong    時間: 2009-10-21 02:09

唔係喎，"包屎"话个台湾女人肯做佢证人！
咦，紫芯，乜你有的意我！
作者: habitrailspace    時間: 2009-10-21 07:10

TO SERVE AND PROTECT TRANSLINK
作者: Littleprince    時間: 2009-10-21 07:48

個女仔既做法係蠢 and on 9, 不過我地應該好似 littleprince o係Cwong 個 blog 度寫 " 唔好歧視 D 蠢人 "囉 , so far 冇人走出黎做  witness,  係口同鼻拗 , 你地不如學 littleprince 講, 唔好理D蠢人, "修心養性﹐ ...
Purpleheart 發表於 2009-10-21 02:37

呵呵。。。原來心心係CWONG FAN 屎黎﹐也是小圈子的捧場客啊。。。我以為那兒一個月都唔會有人去看添﹐連 CWONG 我都要短信提他去他先會去啊﹐呵呵。。。不過聲明一點﹐蠢人係指某個人﹐亦絕對唔係你﹐哈哈哈。。。(提示﹕呢個人個名有個“蠢”字架)
作者: news    時間: 2009-10-21 09:28

i dont know..even just reading the lady's side...she was kinda asking for it when she handed the ticket in front of the transit police...and like others said...who knows what happened btwn the argument or the main reason why the kid was interrogated
作者: BiscottiGelato    時間: 2009-10-21 09:50

Also, to the police, the action that the lady just handed over ticket to the child in front of the public was challenging their authority, that probably made the police, who thought they are with all the powers mad.
tapioca 發表於 2009-10-20 23:38


The keyword here is 'mad' and 'being challenged'. I can't say I know this for a fact, but the impression I have on the police I am given is that they have a huge ego. When they are 'mad' and considers themselves as 'being challenged', they will exercise their power to the limit just for show - aka. power trip. When is mad a reason for a high trained and highly paid professional? Shouldn't the police be much more professional as they are trained to handle tough situations, and their job is to bring people to be tried by the judicial system. Not to pre-judge them and exert as much force as the protocol allows them to, even if it's unnecassary for them to get the job done? Their ability to use force is to keep the public and themselves safe, not to punish those who make them mad and is perceived as challenging their authority.

Aka. 4 RCMP could easily have wrestled Dzekenski + stapler down to cause minimum harm, but they chose to wrestle + choke him after 5 tasers because they can and it's more convinient. For this skytrain incident, we can speculate that the piano teacher is lying, and indeed assaulted the transit police. However assuming that part of her statement is true, the transit police totally did not have to wrestle her down and hand cuff her for 15 minutes to get the job done, but they chose to do so. Considering the size of her as shown in the photos, and the figure of the typical Asian, using common sense, I just fail to see how it was appropriate use of force, whether or not the police protocol grants them to do so for such situations.

The problem is, too often our legal enforcement exert judgements based on their ego and emotion (often enough to make the press every week/every other week). This is because there isn't effective avenues for complaints to be fairly processed. Police complaints and investigations are dealt with by police themselves, which are pretty useless most of the time. Bad apples in the system can never be held accountable for their actions. When we can have the whole RCMP branch not accountable to the people of the province, and RCMP officers who caused unnecassary civilian death still on the loose, there is very very little chance that this minor transit incident will result in any meaningful investigations.

I totally agree that we need police officers, totally not for anarchy, and it is for this reason that we need the police officers themselves to be in check. Otherwise there just can't be any reasonable expectation that we can have the criminals too in check. We need a system that fairly punish the bad apples and reward the good ones in order to do police officers who acts in professional manners justice.
作者: Littleprince    時間: 2009-10-21 10:54

37# BiscottiGelato


well said!   applaused
作者: 吳孟達    時間: 2009-10-21 11:55

To live happily in Canada, don't work too hard, don't be a middle class people....then you will be happy living in Canada...LOL....

Cops are here to protect rich people and criminals..
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-10-21 12:18

To live happily in Canada, don't work too hard, don't be a middle class people....then you will be happy living in Canada...LOL....

Cops are here to protect rich people and criminals..
吳孟達 發表於 2009-10-21 11:55

Oh, sounds so true too!
作者: myversa    時間: 2009-10-21 12:23

To live happily in Canada, don't work too hard, don't be a middle class people....then you will be happy living in Canada...LOL....

Cops are here to protect rich people and criminals..
吳孟達 發表於 2009-10-21 12:55


haha yes, Canada gives support to the poor and rich people do not care so only middle class people suffer.
作者: Purpleheart    時間: 2009-10-21 12:24

唔係喎，"包屎"话个台湾女人肯做佢证人！
咦，紫芯，乜你有的意我！
CWong 發表於 2009-10-21 03:09



係呀, 想約你”出黎飲杯野”丫嘛, 你唔係恨左好耐咩?!
作者: KittyLeung74    時間: 2009-10-21 15:04

暴力對待一個女子當然不對﹐只是這位好心女教師也很缺乏智慧﹐將自己用過的飛轉送﹖ 難道她不知這樣犯法的嗎﹖ (好多人響 METRO 站專門捉這樣做的人喇) 就算她新買一張飛比那個小孩也是不對﹐因為那小孩已經被 ...
Littleprince 發表於 2009-10-20 18:08


Translink had taped the situation.  BTW, the piano teacher is typical 好心做壞事, there is rules marked "The tickect is non-transferrable."  She did it in front of the cops, 簡直當警察無到!

She seems too naive by doing such inappropriate way of transferring the ticket.  She seems ignorance to abuse the law.

無知好可悲!
作者: PSP550    時間: 2009-10-21 17:22

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作者: PSP550    時間: 2009-10-21 17:25

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作者: news    時間: 2009-10-22 10:22

該名聲稱願意向當局講出實況的女士昨晚接受電話訪問時說，事發時她在月台聽見有女警大聲罵陳小姐，當時她不知陳小姐犯了什麼法，
PSP550 發表於 2009-10-21 17:25


even the so called witness didn't know what was exchanged btwn her and the officer
作者: myversa    時間: 2009-10-22 10:30

It is hard to tell who is wrong here since none of us is not at the scene of crime.  

If this happens in China, I think the so called "china police" would treat her even worse ba.
作者: peter236    時間: 2009-10-22 11:19

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2009-10-22 12:22 編輯
It is hard to tell who is wrong here since none of us is not at the scene of crime.  

If this happens in China, I think the so called "china police" would treat her even worse ba.
myversa 發表於 2009-10-22 11:30

By dragging in China into here, it shows your anti-China attitude.
Regardless of what the Chinese police will do, that does not mean we are doing the right thing here and the Canada line police just abused the human rights of the local people here.
作者: BiscottiGelato    時間: 2009-10-22 11:33

陳小姐稱，她最初移民溫哥華時，曾在溫哥華的天車站欲維護一名小孩時，亦曾遭當時沒有警槍的數名車站男警察粗暴對待，當時她沒有投訴。現又重蹈覆轍，她無法繼續容忍車站警察的粗暴態度，一定要投訴討回公道。

陳小 ...
PSP550 發表於 2009-10-21 17:25


One 3rd party witness... seem to side Miss Chan then...
Wording used (not sure if Ming Pao exagerated during paraphrasing) included 'repeat of the Dzekenski incident' and 'the female officer lost it (emotionally)'...
Another blow to confidence in the Canadian law enforcement...
Hopefully a full transparent investigation would be conducted on this, and appropriate people/person will be held accountable...
作者: BiscottiGelato    時間: 2009-10-22 11:36

By dragging in China into here, it shows your anti-China attitude.
Regardless of what the Chinese police will do, that does not mean we are doing the right thing here and the Canada line police just  ...
peter236 發表於 2009-10-22 11:19


Hmm.. i guess depends on who you are and which city... I've been through the SH airport. I got questioned a few times cuz I am a Chinese looking person holding a CAD passport. I understand why they'd be paranoid incase of stolen/fake passport, etc.  However throughout all the times I was stopped and asked to show documentations, can't say they are particularly nice (I can tell they weren't happy that I don't speak a drop of Mandarin with them and do English instead), but definately not rude.

SH law enforcement is probably held pretty tight, esp on incidents involving foreigners... Unlike here... Polish guy killed by our law enforcements? Sucks to be that Polish guy then...
作者: myversa    時間: 2009-10-22 12:00

By dragging in China into here, it shows your anti-China attitude.
Regardless of what the Chinese police will do, that does not mean we are doing the right thing here and the Canada line police just  ...
peter236 發表於 2009-10-22 12:19


I do not say in this instant, the police is right or that lady is wrong.  I am not there to witness so I cannot judge.  People can only judge by the evidence so far.

My statement might not be appropriate but I just state based on my observation from the news.  Judging from the situation described from the news, the lady seemed committing crimes by giving the kid tickets.

Personally I never encountered neither Canadian police or China police so I cannot tell you definitely which one is worse.
作者: BiscottiGelato    時間: 2009-10-23 11:40

本帖最後由 BiscottiGelato 於 2009-10-23 11:41 編輯
I do not say in this instant, the police is right or that lady is wrong.  I am not there to witness so I cannot judge.  People can only judge by the evidence so far.

My statement might not be appro ...
myversa 發表於 2009-10-22 12:00


I think the point of discussion is on whether the lady was abused by overuse of force, and whether the amount of force used is appropriate. There's no point dicussing whether Miss Chan violated the law as she admits herself that she was stupid in doing what she did.

As you said, the discussion and judgements are dependant on the 'evidence' so far, which really is just 口同nose拗.... other than the one 3rd party witness as mentioned in the other thread, this TW lady who sides Miss Chan's version of the story....

Regardless, the the outcome is gonna be either of the 3 i think:

1. the lady is lying and the video is released indicating so
2. the transit police is lying and the video is released indicating so
3. the transit police is lying and the video is never released

... May a transparent investigation be taken place, the right entities be held accountable, and our legal enforcement/judicial system be improved towards the right direction ...
作者: yoursecret    時間: 2009-10-23 11:50

When force is used on a person, some bruises and scrapes are unavoidable, unfortunately the broken tooth seems to indicate too much violence was involved. I wish Translink would release the video so we can see for ourselves.
作者: RayRay    時間: 2009-10-25 16:27

This is what  I concerned: 遭交通特警兩名男女警員圍著喝罵至驚哭
The police should not 喝罵至驚哭 to a 12 years old kid... imagine he is your brother or sister or son....
吳孟達 發表於 2009-10-20 19:06



100 %  agree and children should be protected to certain extend.



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