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作者: daimo 時間: 2009-11-25 12:16 標題: 五區總辭

作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-11-25 13:02

What was that all about?

作者: sheep 時間: 2009-11-25 13:13

What is the reason for them to resign?
If they resigned, why they can still be nominated again for the by-election?
Or should they find somebody instead to run their seats?
Once you are out, then you are out, right?

作者: daimo 時間: 2009-11-25 13:30

2# fibbi

http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BA%94%E5%8D%80%E7%B8%BD%E8%BE%AD

作者: beaver 時間: 2009-11-25 14:02

Success or not at least we show it to China we want a fair election. Not a system that some minority have two votes instead of one.

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-11-25 14:16

Adding to what Beaver has said, the resignation/by-election is really meant to be a referendum in disguise (變相公投). The thing is, HK doesn't have any referendum legislation, so there is no means for HK citizens to really voice their opinions on critically important matters. Through the 5-region simultaneous resignation, LSD and the Civic Party (and hopefully the Democratic Party as well) can brand the re-election process as a form of referendum. If you support the call for a generally elected HKSAR CEO and a fully elected Legislative Council body, you vote for the pan-democrat candidate to reinstate him back into office. If you'd rather give up the right to vote for your own HKSAR CEO and continue to have the undemocratic functional constituencies in LegCo looking out for their own benefits instead of looking out for the general public's interest, vote against the pan-democrats or abstain from the vote.

The choice is clear -- why is this so difficult to understand?!

-Lik

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2009-11-25 14:55

Whatever the outcome is, why would/should Beijing listen to you?

作者: sheep 時間: 2009-11-25 15:38

It is too risky,
you can't afford to loose even one seat.
You can't under estimate the pro China strength to upset you.

作者: daimo 時間: 2009-11-25 16:20

question: why just 五區? is it because the pan-democrats are currently controlling just 五區 - 23 seats?

作者: rainbow-davie 時間: 2009-11-25 16:33

呢個時刻遲早發生.

你想溫水煮蛙, 慢慢港人不再有民主熱, 或大部份被河蟹化.
但係盡地一舖, 一係生, 一係死, 唔好拖拉. 有就有, 無就無, 唔好又話有但要大家成堆白骨先至有.

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-11-25 17:26

question: why just 五區? is it because the pan-democrats are currently controlling just 五區 - 23 seats?
daimo 發表於 2009-11-25 16:20

因為香港立法會得 5個選區：港島、九龍東、九龍西、新界東、同新界西。只要五區總辭，補選嘅時候就可以做到要全民出來投票，亦達到變相公投嘅目的，叫香港人明明確確咁走出來話俾阿爺同特區政府聽香港人想唔想要雙普選。

It is too risky,
you can't afford to loose even one seat.
You can't under estimate the pro China strength to upset you.
sheep 發表於 2009-11-25 15:38

危唔危險呢件事，其實毓民真係講得好啱：你如果民主黨班老鬼唔係咁縮骨、咁契弟嘅話，民主黨一走出來支持，咁件事又點會唔係水到渠成呢？反為依家民主黨班老鬼玩縮骨，於是連帶大狀黨班人又可以借勢話唔搞喇... 真係...

-力

作者: soli 時間: 2009-11-25 17:40

真係贏就贏粒糖﹐輸就輸間廠
飯民要自殺﹐我梗係支持啦~

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-11-25 18:24

呢個時刻遲早發生.

你想溫水煮蛙, 慢慢港人不再有民主熱, 或大部份被河蟹化.
但係盡地一舖, 一係生, 一係死, 唔好拖拉. 有就有, 無就無, 唔好又話有但要大家成堆白骨先至有. ...
rainbow-davie 發表於 2009-11-26 08:33

盡地一舖? 你就講得輕鬆law, 因為你根本唔o係香港生活! 你唔好同我講你惰繫香港, I love HK之類喇.
盡地一舖衰左之後, 你就拍拍屁股走, 小弟等等既香港市民就o係香港承擔盡地一舖之後既後果...

民建聯o係新界東同新界西既勢力非常強大, 小弟怕呢兩區會保唔住... 小弟支持全民公投, 而泛民因係總辭, 補選我都會選返佢地. 但真係唔係sure win 的, 萬一佢地輸左, 普選既路可能更遙不可及...

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-11-25 18:31

因為香港立法會得 5個選區：港島、九龍東、九龍西、新界東、同新界西。只要五區總辭，補選嘅時候就可以做到要全民出來投票，亦達到變相公投嘅目的，叫香港人明明確確咁走出來話俾阿爺同特區政府聽香港人想唔想要雙普選。

危唔危險呢件事，其實毓民真係講得好啱：你如果民主黨班老鬼唔係咁縮骨、咁契弟嘅話，民主黨一走出來支持，咁件事又點會唔係水到渠成呢？反為依家民主黨班老鬼玩縮骨，於是連帶大狀黨班人又可以借勢話唔搞喇... 真係...
Lik 發表於 2009-11-26 09:26

力兄, 小弟覺得阿爺同特區政府一直都知香港人想要雙普選!

毓民講到好似必嬴咁樣, 小弟真係有所保留. 仲記得, 當年立法會港島區補選, 香港良心既陳方安生vs. 掃把頭, 陳太都只係贏少少... 香港區一向已經係民主派既地頭, 仲要有陳方安生, 對手仲要係"人見人憎"既掃把頭, 都唔能大勝! 而家五區總辭, 補選既時候係點(尤其係新界區)真係好難講...

-- 好憂慮既麥莊莊

作者: rainbow-davie 時間: 2009-11-25 20:22

盡地一舖? 你就講得輕鬆law, 因為你根本唔o係香港生活! 你唔好同我講你惰繫香港, I love HK之類喇.
盡地一舖衰左之後, 你就拍拍屁股走, 小弟等等既香港市民就o係香港承擔盡地一舖之後既後果...

民建聯o係新界 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-11-25 19:24

睜大你隻眼, 我邊有講我係支持定反對, 我係講出個形勢. 咁都要俾阿麥伯你吊. 一D道理都唔講.

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-11-25 20:37

毓民話嘅係如果白鴿黨班友唔係咁縮骨而肯全力支持嘅話（最少都唔係好似依家咁放晒風、唱晒淡），咁五區總辭、變相公投呢下就贏硬咁滯。但家陣白鴿黨中嘅老而不唔夠薑去馬，而馬丁又玩半轉呔，咁家下個形勢就真係好危。而且公民黨班友唔多唔少亦係機會主意者，家陣成條下台階都有喇，佢地縮沙亦一啲都唔奇。

當年陳太嵌葉劉唔係贏少少喎？滾動民調一直係陳太領先，而最後陳太亦以 54.84% 對葉劉 42.89%。贏十幾 percent、多三萬幾（差唔多四萬）票都算贏少少？！而且今次五區總辭建制派根本無乜邊個大哥出到來。田大同田二少？嫻姐？坐過監過個白頭佬？定係果啲好似挫胸勤咁有質數嘅第二梯隊嘅契弟呀？講到尾，本來就贏硬，唔係你民主黨咁無種，老早就成咗事啦！

其實依家個勢咁危險，如果公社兩黨依然繼續去嘅話，關心香港民主晉程嘅人真係要出多一分力，吹行雞、疊齊馬、有咁多票拉咁多票來盡返自己嘅公民責任。

-力

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-11-25 20:43

本帖最後由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-11-26 12:50 編輯

睜大你隻眼, 我邊有講我係支持定反對, 我係講出個形勢. 咁都要俾阿麥伯你吊. 一D道理都唔講.
rainbow-davie 發表於 2009-11-26 12:22

唔好意思, 可能我措詞太強硬, 同埋唔經大腦用左屎眼去睇野, sorry sorry~
朋友黎丫麻, 我知你唔會嬲既, 呵番呵番~

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-11-25 20:50

力力,

小弟覺得贏得果十幾巴仙真係好少... 大佬, 出到民主巨頭, 超級德高望重既陳方安生, 對一個咁既掃把頭, 都只係贏咁少. 你可以想到民建聯既動員力有幾咁強...
新界東, 如果係長毛出黎補選, 而人地出嫻姐, 你都唔好話唔擔心...
新界西仲弊, 泛民出邊個? 唔通出何浚仁? 出邊個都好有可能會輸, 因為民建聯同鄉議會既勢力真係好大! 真係有好多條村有旅遊巴接d 公公婆婆去投票架! 投邊個就唔駛講啦!

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-11-25 21:30

贏十幾 percent 都仲算少嘅話，我真係唔知點先至算係大勝囉。唔通真係七三或八二咩？！

長毛、嫻姐、同田少邊個係現任議員？邊個係票王？邊個係高票落選？何浚仁身為黨主席都贏唔到嘅話，佢唔切腹都無面目再面對選民同自己嘅黨友啦？！

而最重要嘅係，今次變相公投要選嘅係係議題、係要求有雙普選、係單對單隻揪，而唔係同你玩配票、選邊個人、選邊個黨。泛民其實派邊個去都唔重要，因為泛民嘅 5個 candidate 就係代表要普選。你係撐普選，就要撐泛民同投票俾個候選人，就係咁簡單。

-力

作者: sheep 時間: 2009-11-25 21:49

理念還理念
要知道香港有幾多真係揸着宗旨做人
乜都話好去馬我支持你
到真係要你行出泥
就算你企响度唔郁
班牆頭草第一時間
企後一步
咁你就被人擺上枱

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-11-25 23:07

毛主席話~革命不是請客吃飯，不是做文章，不是繪畫繡花，不能那樣雅致，那樣從容不迫，文質彬彬，那樣溫良恭儉讓。革命是暴動，是一個階級推翻一個階級的暴烈的行動!

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-11-26 00:46

贏十幾 percent 都仲算少嘅話，我真係唔知點先至算係大勝囉。唔通真係七三或八二咩？！

長毛、嫻姐、同田少邊個係現任議員？邊個係票王？邊個係高票落選？何浚仁身為黨主席都贏唔到嘅話，佢唔切腹都無面目再面對選民同自己嘅黨友啦？！

而最重要嘅係，今次變相公投要選嘅係係議題、係要求有雙普選、係單對單隻揪，而唔係同你玩配票、選邊個人、選邊個黨。泛民其實派邊個去都唔重要，因為泛民嘅 5個 candidate 就係代表要普選。你係撐普選，就要撐泛民同投票俾個候選人，就係咁簡單。
Lik 發表於 2009-11-26 13:30

力哥, 可能小弟單純, 我當年覺得陳方安生對掃把頭(一個當年咁黑人憎既人), 係應該要7:3 既. 事實話左比我聽, 民建聯真係有佢一套, 竟然可以令掃把頭有over 40% 既選票! 當然, 除左民建聯, 一班本身支持范徐既人變左支持掃把頭. Anyway, 其實港島區真係冇乜好驚, 就算搵長毛去選, 我覺得都會選得到. 小弟只係擔心新界兩個區, 呢兩個區既親中勢力真係好強架!

搵何俊人選新界西? 冇話唔得既, 不過有d 危law. 如果泛民真係輸得起, 如果香港市民真係輸得起, 就冇人會反對既... 而家, 好明顯就係民主黨覺得有機會輸, 所以就叫停law.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-11-26 00:47

毛主席話~革命不是請客吃飯，不是做文章，不是繪畫繡花，不能那樣雅致，那樣從容不迫，文質彬彬，那樣溫良恭儉讓。革命是暴動，是一個階級推翻一個階級的暴烈的行動! ...
ricrick 發表於 2009-11-26 15:07

唔係呀化... 玩革命? 唔好喇卦... (小弟相信呢個係絕大部分香港人既心聲)

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2009-11-26 01:13

毛主席話~革命不是請客吃飯，不是做文章，不是繪畫繡花，不能那樣雅致，那樣從容不迫，文質彬彬，那樣溫良恭儉讓。革命是暴動，是一個階級推翻一個階級的暴烈的行動! ...
ricrick 發表於 2009/11/25 23:07

有種就拎幾個人肉炸彈上北京
搞埋D小動作一D作用都冇

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-11-26 01:22

有種就拎幾個人肉炸彈上北京
搞埋D小動作一D作用都冇
快樂牛郎發表於 2009-11-26 17:13

唔係呀化? 唔好喇卦... 比人捉到會打耙架!

作者: heykevin 時間: 2009-11-26 01:45

理念還理念
要知道香港有幾多真係揸着宗旨做人
乜都話好去馬我支持你
到真係要你行出泥
就算你企响度唔郁
班牆頭草第一時間
企後一步
咁你就被人擺上枱 ...
sheep 發表於 2009-11-25 22:49

[youtube]Q8P2DxAmo7U[/youtube]

作者: sheep 時間: 2009-11-26 09:30

Q8P2DxAmo7U
heykevin 發表於 2009-11-26 02:45

嗰日重得
今日有更激既毓民
長毛再選
我估會輸
大舊就五五波

作者: daimo 時間: 2009-11-26 12:14

ok, learn something new everyday. I don't live in HK so need to search the Wiki.

so 第四屆立法會 has 30 分區直選 seats right now, and 親建制派 has 11 seats and 泛民主派 has 19 seats.

Question:
if 泛民總辭, then only the 19 seats are affected. The 11 seats are not affected, right?

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-11-26 14:03

so 第四屆立法會 has 30 分區直選 seats right now, and 親建制派 has 11 seats and 泛民主派 has 19 seats.

Question:
if 泛民總辭, then only the 19 seats are affected. The 11 seats are not affected, right?
daimo 發表於 2009-11-26 12:14

In HK's LegCo, only 30 comes from general election. The other 30 seats come from functional constituencies. IIRC, the pan-democrats have 4 seats in functional constituencies as well, which makes for a total of 23 seats in LegCo. This gives them enough numbers to veto bills proposed by the government.

Originally, LSD only proposed to have 1 elected council member resign from each of HK's 5 ridings. The Civic Party has subsequently brought forth a new 3-phase proposal, with escalating levels action:

1) negotiate with the HKSAR for dual general election roadmap
2) 5-ridings resignation
3) mass resignation of all 23 pan-democrats council members (19 from the elected members, and 4 from functional constituencies) as a means to protest and boycott the HKSAR government's complete lack of action to promote democracy as mandated by the HK Basic Law

Unfortunately, since the Civic Party's 3-phase proposal, Civic Party's 湯家驊 has already indicated that should the process escalate to phase 3 (23-member mass resignation), he will not resign as a LegCo member, but instead withdraw from the Civic Party. Furthermore, it is widely rumoured that up to 4 LegCo members (most likely 湯家驊, 馮檢基, 梁耀忠, and 1 more person) have already been bought out by the Establishment / Grandfather, so they will not resign.

唉... 車公老早就講咗㗎啦，眼前鬼卒皆為妖... 點解泛民裡面咁多反骨仔同縮骨精嘅呢？

-力

作者: daimo 時間: 2009-11-26 14:28

So the implication and the goal is that, if

19 泛民 resigns and if 19 泛民 are re-elected then that means 19/30 (ok, bad math) of HKSAR citizen want 雙普選?

Am I correct?

(I dis-regard the 4 functional constituencies for now)

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-11-26 16:20

My understanding is, LSD has only been wanting and promoting the Hong Kong-wide 5-riding resignation, and seek re-election as a means to carry out the unofficial referendum.

The Civic Party, on the other hand, brought up their 3-phase proposal, and so far, only phase 1 (the negotiation phase) has received support of the entire pan-democrat camp -- "talks" has already been held with Bowtie, but no progress has been made at all because the none of the pan-democrats' requests have been adopted in Bowtie's policy reform proposal.

CP's phase 2 plan want meant to be pretty much identical to LSD's 5-riding wide resignation / re-election / referendum-in-disguise. Details have not been finalized yet because CP and LSD were waiting/hoping the Democratic Party would support the movement, perhaps even providing candidate(s) for the resignation / re-election-referendum.

For the phrase 3 plan, I think it is only meant to be a form of protest and boycott. The council members will not be seeking re-election at all for the rest of the current LegCo term. The mass resignation of elected legislative council members will undoubtedly create international attention and pressure to condemn the lack of democratic progress in Hong Kong. In 2012 (that's when the current LegCo term ends), however, the pan-democrats will take part in the LegCo election again.

-Lik

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-11-26 17:36

I didn't want to come back, since the admin. here banned my account for no reason last time.

But I am interested in this topic.

mcjohnjohn,
I thought you like 民建聯. Because you said you didn't ...
psp620 發表於 2009-11-27 08:28

I like 民建聯 only when they organize tours for my parents.... such as 蛇宴, 香港一天遊, 大陸兩日一夜遊, etc.
I always tell my parents to join their activities, as they can eat up part of the unlimited fund of 民建聯.

In 立法會投票, I always vote for 泛民. On the other hand, I don't have any bias on 民建聯 at 區議會投票, as I only want to vote someone who can improve some facilities in my residential area.

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-11-26 20:31

MJJ,

If you really want to vote for someone who can improve the facilities in your area, remember this -- DAB will never vote against $$-wasting projects such as the useless high speed train project because Grandfather wants it done. The project costs each and every HK citizen over HKD$10k's worth of money, and will invariably create massive traffic jams in the West Kowloon area. It'll also destroy the homes and peaceful livestyles of those living in 菜園村 while hardly benefiting any sizable number of people in Hong Kong.

Every voter needs to keep this in mind the next time they cast their ballot.

-Lik

作者: peter236 時間: 2009-11-26 20:53

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2009-11-26 21:59 編輯

MJJ,

If you really want to vote for someone who can improve the facilities in your area, remember this -- DAB will never vote against $$-wasting projects such as the useless high speed train project ...
Lik 發表於 2009-11-26 21:31

You stupid moron, those people from 菜園村 will be compensated with billions of $$. They are all richer than you.
As for the highspeed railway, build it or not, HK will be in an awkward position. When the whole of China has the highspeed railway built, hundreds of millions of people will be using it. If HK is not part of the railway system, HK will be laughed at as being backward by all the Chinese. There is no way HK will be able to compete with other cities as China's financial center.
Whether the highpseed railway will benefit HK remains to be seen. A way of evaluating the usefulness of the railway is to look at how many people will travel beyond only Guangzhou, onwards to other major Chinese cities. The longer the distance the bigger the time saving. A problem with HK's section of highspeed railway is that the whole system will be built underground, thereby increasing the costs.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-11-26 20:57

MJJ,

If you really want to vote for someone who can improve the facilities in your area, remember this -- DAB will never vote against $$-wasting projects such as the useless high speed train project ...
Lik 發表於 2009-11-27 12:31

Lik,

Maybe I am quite short-sight and selfish. When I vote for 區議會議員, I only care what they can do for MY residential area only.

立法會議員 is a different case though. I don't think there is any problem to construct the high-speed train terminal in HK. In my opinion, it is fine to catch up with the modern transportation. 菜園村 or 西九, I really have no idea where the train should cross, but I really like to have a compatible modern railway system with mainland China. As one of the large cities in China, it is strange that if HK cannot be merged into the newest railway system in China.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-11-26 21:03

You stupid moron, those people from 菜園村 will be compensated with billions of $$. They are all richer than you.
As for the highspeed railway, build it or not, HK will be in an awkward position. When the whole of China has the highspeed railway built, hundreds of millions of people will be using it. If HK is not part of the railway system, HK will be laughed at as being backward by all the Chinese. There is no way HK will be able to compete with other cities as China's financial center.
Whether the highpseed railway will benefit HK remains to be seen. A way of evaluating the usefulness of the railway is to look at how many people will travel beyond only Guangzhou, onwards to other major Chinese cities. The longer the distance the bigger the time saving.
peter236 發表於 2009-11-27 12:53

Peter 仔, 你唔好成日moron 前moron 後喇... 你搞到自己好似o係度針對力兄而唔係針對件事law.
菜園村, 政府係打算陪好多錢. 但如果我係菜園村既村民, 我都唔係咁想搬. 錢唔係大哂既, 小弟相信部分菜園村既村民真係好熱愛菜園村! 冇左菜園村, 就會好似冇左故鄉一樣.
至於高鐵, 我覺得係應該要起既. 至於點起法? 邊度係總站? 應該途徑邊一度? 恕小弟愚昧, 小弟真係冇研究過, 只好交比香港政府研究吧!

作者: peter236 時間: 2009-11-26 21:22

Peter 仔, 你唔好成日moron 前moron 後喇... 你搞到自己好似o係度針對力兄而唔係針對件事law.
菜園村, 政府係打算陪好多錢. 但如果我係菜園村既村民, 我都唔係咁想搬. 錢唔係大哂既, 小弟相信部分菜園村既村民真係 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-11-26 22:03

I agree with you that Hong Kong needs the highspeed railway, just to keep up with mainland China. With the highspeed railway, HK may have a chance to compete with other Chinese cities. Without it, HK will be laughed at. The only problem is the high cost.
But then, the Kowloon-Canton railway was the world's most expensive railway per km when it was first built.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-11-26 21:26

But then, the Kowloon-Canton railway was the world's most expensive railway per km when it was first built.
peter236 發表於 2009-11-27 13:22

係咩? 真係唔知woh...
小弟都覺得香港起既野都貴, 可能因為我地要求用料好, 所以一定唔會有豆腐渣啦!

作者: peter236 時間: 2009-11-26 21:33

係咩? 真係唔知woh...
小弟都覺得香港起既野都貴, 可能因為我地要求用料好, 所以一定唔會有豆腐渣啦!
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-11-26 22:26

I am not too sure about this point on Kowloon-Canton railway. I just read somewhere else.

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-11-26 22:02

五毛懵仔，

菜園村一事，唔該你自己去 check 清楚啲 facts 先走出來鳩up。接受賠償嘅好多根本只係有菜園村地權，但本身再無響菜園村入面住嘅人。真係響果度住嘅，特別係啲老人家、老村民根本就唔想走。

高鐵概念本身並無太大問題，但執行上卻完全錯誤！短短 26公里嘅鐵路每公里造價仲貴過英法海底鐵路隧道、成條大數貴過赤垃角機場嘅成本價，呢個係咩道理？！唔通你夠膽死話呢條高鐵嘅實用價值高過香港國際機場同英法海底鐵路？！

港琛兩地其實已經咁多口岸、咁多交通渠道，而港珠澳大橋亦拍咗板要起，港琛嘅人流數量其實又有無咁多？點解要起多條擾民、徙錢、破壞交通、重要唔方便、又無人搭嘅鐵路？要起，點解唔可以起響地面？總站唔響西九龍？點解唔可以選用現有嘅鐵路路線而加以改建／擴建？反高鐵大聯盟請 engineering firm 做過個 study，話只要總站唔起響西九同繞一繞道，成個 project 嘅造價就可以由＄550幾億嘅天價暴減至＄200 至＄400億，但特衰政府就死人都唔肯改，而且仲要夾硬推個計劃，想叫人信服都幾難啦？！

大哪哪＄550幾億嘅報價（最後條大數一定嚴重超標）你一吓就咁燒咗佢，叫你加過少少生果金、撥多啲醫療同教育開支就死都唔肯！呢啲咪叫做「善財難捨、冤枉甘心」囉！。咁嘅政府唔掉七佢都唔係人啦？！

換咗有雙普選嘅話，你估特首敢唔敢推個嚴重反民意嘅計劃出來？立法會議員又敢唔敢背棄民意而批准撥款？！講到尾，香港政制嘅不堪到係源於無普選！！！

-力

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-11-26 22:47

五毛懵仔，

菜園村一事，唔該你自己去 check 清楚啲 facts 先走出來鳩up。接受賠償嘅好多根本只係有菜園村地權，但本身再無響菜園村入面住嘅人。真係響果度住嘅，特別係啲老人家、老村民根本就唔想走。

高鐵概念本 ...
Lik 發表於 2009-11-27 14:02

耶~ 好衰架~ 仲乜話人係五毛woh~ 我係兩毛啊~

小弟覺得高鐵一定有用既, 高鐵唔係貫通珠三角咁簡單, 應該可以遠少少, 去上海搭高鐵都應該幾好. (再遠d 就寧願坐飛機lu)
而家問題係選址問題之麻. 小弟形住形住其實選邊度都會有人媽叉的... 小弟總覺得一定會有選址比西九好, 只不過小弟不才, 我一定諗唔到架喇, 所以只好睇下大家仲有乜既好提議啦!

作者: sheep 時間: 2009-11-26 22:56

相信最重要係亜爺認為此舉更加體現主權
遲D重要駁埋去澳門
再一條海底隧道連接台灣
嫓美英法隧道

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-11-26 23:08

相信最重要係亜爺認為此舉更加體現主權
遲D重要駁埋去澳門
再一條海底隧道連接台灣
嫓美英法隧道
sheep 發表於 2009-11-27 14:56

唔係呀化... 海底隧道連接台灣咁激?

唔知會唔會駛埋去台灣既高鐵呢? (唔知compatible or not)

作者: peter236 時間: 2009-11-27 00:33

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2009-11-27 01:47 編輯

五毛懵仔，

菜園村一事，唔該你自己去 check 清楚啲 facts 先走出來鳩up。接受賠償嘅好多根本只係有菜園村地權，但本身再無響菜園村入面住嘅人。真係響果度住嘅，特別係啲老人家、老村民根本就唔想走。

高鐵概念本 ...
Lik 發表於 2009-11-26 23:02

You stupid fool, like I said before, this highspeed railway is expensive, possibly because of kickbacks to UK and the escalating construction costs. Without this railway HK will be laughed at by the Chinese. This is a dilemma. High cost with questionable economic returns.

I am not engineering expert, so I do not know why the cost of construction is so high. But these highspeed railway need special railway to support the highspeed. The guage size of highspeed railway is different. That is why China is building a new dedicated highspeed system, instead of modifying the existing system.

As for the villagers, WTF are you talking about? There are some who are willing to leave since they become rich anyway from the compensation. Some are willing to leave and some don't. But then, who do you think you are? How do know they are not just asking more money by refusing to leave? They will probably leave if the price is right.

HK is in a difficult situation anyway, with Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Chongqing, Shenzhen and Tianjin rising rapidly. Kids like you are still wasting time discussing crap, instead of suggesting new ideas for HK.

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-11-27 18:23

佢解釋得幾好

作者: soli 時間: 2009-11-27 21:22

民建聯o係新界東同新界西既勢力非常強大, 小弟怕呢兩區會保唔住... 小弟支持全民公投, 而泛民因係總辭, 補選我都會選返佢地. 但真係唔係sure win 的, 萬一佢地輸左, 普選既路可能更遙不可及...

所以話班顛狗係無腦囉﹐白痴到無人有。
如果我係建制派既﹐有機會贏既區﹐好似新界西o甘﹐就谷行資源派人去補選。港島區呢D實輸既﹐就唔派人出黎﹐等飯民條友自動當選﹐即係無得選。
既可將所謂既公投變成國際笑話﹐又有機會再奪一兩席﹐你話幾爽呢~
去馬啦﹐五區總辭~ 哈哈哈

作者: sheep 時間: 2009-11-27 23:00

所以話班顛狗係無腦囉﹐白痴到無人有。
如果我係建制派既﹐有機會贏既區﹐好似新界西o甘﹐就谷行資源派人去補選。港島區呢D實輸既﹐就唔派人出黎﹐等飯民條友自動當選﹐即係無得選。
既可將所謂既公投變成國際笑話 ...
soli 發表於 2009-11-27 22:22

你都儍到冇人有
咁多動作
最好搅到連否决權都冇埋
毓民就話正合朕意
佢番叮就一定掂
亞爺得戚起泥
有咩行差踏錯
就真係變成國際笑話

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-11-27 23:35

51# soli

白韻琴參選狙擊黃毓民-am730
泛民主派仍未總辭，人稱「白才女」的白韻琴昨率先宣布參加補選。自言無興趣從政、對政治亦毫不認識的白韻琴，不滿社民連黃毓民及梁國雄在議會掟蕉及掃枱，對年輕人造成壞影響，她亦批評社民連將五區總辭巧名「全民公投」，並對不從命者諷刺為龜縮，她坦言對這些行為看不過眼，因此決意狙擊兩人。

她指還未決定在哪區出戰，但傾向以黃毓民為主要對手，「我唔夠毓民口才咁叻，佢講嘢又快，我講嘢慢，但我有熱誠、熾熱嘅心。」黃毓民對被狙擊回應指無意見。

白韻琴對參選自言「匹婦有責」，「有人會覺得我心口掛個勇字……但我未必會失敗……輸贏亦承擔後果。」被問及參選會否被指博出位時，她說，「我有優點同缺點，亦有俾人批評嘅地方，但一個人行出嚟強出頭，一定有心理準備，唔橫眉、唔冷對。」她指無向「另一半」、立法會議員謝偉俊尋求支持。但謝偉俊說，「佢做咩我都支持」，並指「對白姐姐好有信心！」身旁的白韻琴撒嬌指：「我仲驚俾你『散』！」

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-11-28 00:03

佢解釋得幾好
ricrick 發表於 2009-11-27 18:23

Mr. Siu really explained it very well the other night. RickRick should also include the link for part 2 here ar mah:

http://us1.hkreporter.com/files/new/sea_2009-11-26_2_1591.mp3

所以話班顛狗係無腦囉﹐白痴到無人有。
如果我係建制派既﹐有機會贏既區﹐好似新界西o甘﹐就谷行資源派人去補選。港島區呢D實輸既﹐就唔派人出黎﹐等飯民條友自動當選﹐即係無得選。
既可將所謂既公投變成國際笑話﹐又有機會再奪一兩席﹐你話幾爽呢~
去馬啦﹐五區總辭~ 哈哈哈soli 發表於 2009-11-27 21:22

所以話你無腦就真係無腦。

建制派唔叫人出來選就一定俾人話佢驚輸；而叫得一個人出來選，就要叫派行馬五區都選，如果唔係就更加樣衰、更加會俾泛民捉住佢驚輸呢一點來插死佢，對建制派更加不利。但一叫人出來選，咁又會令到個公投議題（香港人要唔要普選？）嘅 legitimacy 更加確實，而呢樣就正喺阿爺最唔想見到嘅事。

其實毓民呢條五區補選、變相公投嘅橋真係非常之絕，叫建制派同阿爺都左右做人難。只可惜民主黨同華叔今鋪實在太窩囊，真係叫人徹底失望。

-力

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-11-28 01:32

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[youtube]LPKgt4XEf6M[/youtube]
[youtube]OZ8UvFd6ujE[/youtube]

作者: soli 時間: 2009-11-28 17:37

建制派唔叫人出來選就一定俾人話佢驚輸；而叫得一個人出來選，就要叫派行馬五區都選，如果唔係就更加樣衰、更加會俾泛民捉住佢驚輸呢一點來插死佢，對建制派更加不利。但一叫人出來選，咁又會令到個公投議題（香港人要唔要普選？）嘅 legitimacy 更加確實，而呢樣就正喺阿爺最唔想見到嘅事。

哈哈﹐我認為飯民做唔到五區對壘會更樣衰囉
好可能既結果係﹐飯民自動當選三席﹐只有新界兩區既人有得投票﹐飯民仲要輸一兩席﹐o甘係咪叫新界區公投呀? lol
只要有一個地區要自動當選﹐無得投票﹐全民公投呢個議題就灰飛煙滅﹐變成笑話一個。

作者: sheep 時間: 2009-11-29 18:52

mcjohnjohn, where are you?
psp620 發表於 2009-11-29 18:56

自殺

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-11-29 20:53

mcjohnjohn, where are you?
psp620 發表於 2009-11-29 18:56

傻仔，mjj愛邊邊都討好，你吾係以為找到知心友？笑死人

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-11-29 21:05

哈哈﹐我認為飯民做唔到五區對壘會更樣衰囉
好可能既結果係﹐飯民自動當選三席﹐只有新界兩區既人有得投票﹐飯民仲要輸一兩席﹐o甘係咪叫新界區公投呀? lol
只要有一個地區要自動當選﹐無得投票﹐全民公投呢個議題 ...
soli 發表於 2009-11-28 18:37

建制派自動放棄？吾好玩啦，白姐姐都出黎選啦，求其有個獨立身份行出黎選，市民一樣可以選，一樣可以做到全民公投

作者: soli 時間: 2009-11-29 21:19

o甘咪同白小姐對壘囉~
好似話要追擊顛狗﹐但個議題會係乜呢?

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-11-29 21:21

Can you fcuk off please? Did you mother not allow you fcuk her body last night?

非君勿進 ... I want to talk to mcjohnjohn. None of your business. I don't care if you fcuk your own mother or not ...
psp620 發表於 2009-11-29 22:02

我老母就無fcuk，不過你老母就人人都掙住fcuk啦，我對你老母深表同情
mjj好有愛心架，佢係街見到一條狗都會摸下佢讚佢乖，甘條狗米當佢主人羅

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-11-29 21:27

e？你愛fuxk你自己老母？可喜可賀

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-11-29 21:33

o甘咪同白小姐對壘囉~
好似話要追擊顛狗﹐但個議題會係乜呢?
soli 發表於 2009-11-29 22:19

白小姐當選都無所謂
但吾好當香港人白痴，最緊要有得選，有得表達市民意願

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-11-29 21:36

I understand now. Toppy fcuked your mother, did he? You are so angry at him.
psp620 發表於 2009-11-29 22:29

吾好甘幼稚啦，你老母我老母甘
不過講真，你老母好可憐

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-11-29 23:56

哈哈﹐我認為飯民做唔到五區對壘會更樣衰囉
好可能既結果係﹐飯民自動當選三席﹐只有新界兩區既人有得投票﹐飯民仲要輸一兩席﹐o甘係咪叫新界區公投呀? lol
只要有一個地區要自動當選﹐無得投票﹐全民公投呢個議題就灰飛煙滅﹐變成笑話一個。soli 發表於 2009-11-28 17:37

民賤聯號稱全港最大黨，而上次選舉每區都有第二梯隊嘅成員唔夠票而選唔到入立法會（當然，果啲友仔亦只係志在參與吓咁，儸返多少經驗，磨多幾年先搏可以好似搓胸勤咁上位）。但既然上次正式選舉有參選，作為新手嘅佢地補選卻唔敢出戰，呢啲唔係怕輸、唔係輸唔起仲可以係乜？！你怕輸而唔敢參加公投補選嘅話，本身就正正代表着你已經輸咗！

正常選舉嘅比例代表制又好、補選嘅隻揪隻又好，阿爺派兵出戰嘅話就一定會用晒所有合法「賄選」嘅渠道來谷票、配票、同「買票」。如果泛民支持者唔企出來投票，而令到五區公投補選失敗，泛民議員選唔返入議會，咁 unfortunately 呢個亦係民意嘅結果。社民連三子夠膽提出五區公投呢個建議，就預咗有輸呢個可能性，亦無數次咁講過會欣然接受選民嘅意向，因為佢地真係相信民主呢個理念，亦百份百咁尊重民意。你估好似民主黨班老鬼契弟咁係無膽匪類，驚輸就唔敢出來算咩？！公民黨支持得五區公投呢個提案，相信亦接受唔一定可以選返入議會。

呢啲先至叫做相信民主！你估好似你 Soli 呢庭有奶便是娘嘅契弟咁，淨係識得家長式嘅一言堂、同去擦阿爺鞋呀？！

-力

作者: peter236 時間: 2009-11-30 10:28

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2009-11-30 11:30 編輯

Democracy doesn't eliminate corruption at all.

Democracy only decreases the amount of conflict in society by allowing the most powerful groups in the society to have the most influence in the government.

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-11-30 11:13

so wonder his posts got all deleted....

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-11-30 11:21

Democracy doesn't eliminate corruption at all.
peter236 發表於 2009-11-30 10:28

Of course democracy doesn't eliminate corruption, but at least it allows for measures to keep it in check. But I suppose you prefer the Mainland style anti-corruption methods instead?!

Sir Winston Churchill once said that "Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried.", and no truer words could have been said.

-Lik

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-11-30 17:49

傻仔，mjj愛邊邊都討好，你吾係以為找到知心友？笑死人
ricrick 發表於 2009-11-30 12:53

我邊有邊邊討好woh...

宏觀d 就比人話邊邊討好, 可怒也!

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-11-30 18:03

民賤聯號稱全港最大黨，而上次選舉每區都有第二梯隊嘅成員唔夠票而選唔到入立法會（當然，果啲友仔亦只係志在參與吓咁，儸返多少經驗，磨多幾年先搏可以好似搓胸勤咁上位）。但既然上次正式選舉有參選，作為新手嘅佢地補選卻唔敢出戰，呢啲唔係怕輸、唔係輸唔起仲可以係乜？！你怕輸而唔敢參加公投補選嘅話，本身就正正代表着你已經輸咗！

正常選舉嘅比例代表制又好、補選嘅隻揪隻又好，阿爺派兵出戰嘅話就一定會用晒所有合法「賄選」嘅渠道來谷票、配票、同「買票」。如果泛民支持者唔企出來投票，而令到五區公投補選失敗，泛民議員選唔返入議會，咁 unfortunately 呢個亦係民意嘅結果。社民連三子夠膽提出五區公投呢個建議，就預咗有輸呢個可能性，亦無數次咁講過會欣然接受選民嘅意向，因為佢地真係相信民主呢個理念，亦百份百咁尊重民意。你估好似民主黨班老鬼契弟咁係無膽匪類，驚輸就唔敢出來算咩？！公民黨支持得五區公投呢個提案，相信亦接受唔一定可以選返入議會。
Lik 發表於 2009-11-30 15:56

小弟覺得民建聯一定會派人出黎選, 只係會睇下蔡素玉仲會唔會選港島區. 雖然佢o係港島區有一定既票源, 但一定會輸比陳淑莊的. 不過, 如果只得社民連三子請辭, 咁港島區就唔駛補選了, 唔知玉姐會唔會空降呢?

力力, 唔好賄選前, 買票後咁難聽. 你寫到咁明, 而又冇證冇據, 人地有權告你誹謗架... 如果你有證據就快d 向選委員投訴, 唔好咁低莊o係度胡亂指控人地賄選同買票喇. 小弟明白社民連三子夠膽提出五區公投呢個建議, 就預咗有輸呢個可能性, 但身為香港民主既支持者既小弟, 真係唔想見到佢地輸, 議席一個都不能少! 每少一個議席, 就令泛民(政府心中既"反對黨")既力量減少...

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-11-30 21:05

從目前可見嘅事實來睇，五區邊相公投依然係誓在必行，社民連同公民黨嘅兩幫人依然係 on track 咁去斟酌同安排辭職公投嘅細節。最後會唔會只係得社民連三子來做個辭職抗議呢啲咁無謂嘅揣測，我覺得響現階段講來都係多餘嘅。

如果告得入嘅話，人地要告咪告囉。難聽係難聽㗎喇，但我自問寫得好清楚，係咪誹謗咪等個官判囉。擺明蝕晒大本嘅蛇羹、旅行、燒野食，你夠薑咪學澳門咁請人地食餐投票前後嘅一蚊大餐囉。做到咁揚，唔係合法「賄選」、谷票、配票、同「買票」仲可以係乜野呀？

-力

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-11-30 21:39

從目前可見嘅事實來睇，五區邊相公投依然係誓在必行，社民連同公民黨嘅兩幫人依然係 on track 咁去斟酌同安排辭職公投嘅細節。最後會唔會只係得社民連三子來做個辭職抗議呢啲咁無謂嘅揣測，我覺得響現階段講來都係多餘嘅。

如果告得入嘅話，人地要告咪告囉。難聽係難聽㗎喇，但我自問寫得好清楚，係咪誹謗咪等個官判囉。擺明蝕晒大本嘅蛇羹、旅行、燒野食，你夠薑咪學澳門咁請人地食餐投票前後嘅一蚊大餐囉。做到咁揚，唔係合法「賄選」、谷票、配票、同「買票」仲可以係乜野呀？
Lik 發表於 2009-12-1 13:05

既然補選已經係勢在必行, 唔知我既新界西會有邊個泛民去參選呢?
千祈唔好派長毛過黎... 小弟真係唔係幾想投佢一票. 如果真係長毛, 小弟應該會o係張票上面寫上"支持2012普選", 投廢票就算了.

蛇羹、旅行、燒野食既類型既活動, 已往o係港島東區生活既小弟真係見識不少~ 見到d poster 話幾十蚊就玩足一日, 真係好抵玩! 為左燃燒民建聯資金, 小弟當年係極度推介親友戚友參加呢d 活動~

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-11-30 21:58

食窮民建聯，票投社民連？

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-11-30 22:12

食窮民建聯，票投社民連？
ricrick 發表於 2009-12-1 13:58

哈哈~ 前者是對, 後者則未必~
小弟唔係太like 社民連過於激進既行徑, 所以投票係會投民主黨or 公民黨的~
過去兩次立法會+一次補選, 小弟分別投左余若薇, 陳四萬, (搬左屋)李永達.

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-11-30 22:54

新界西應該係大舊陳偉業。如果百鴿黨肯有返多少承擔、有返多少腰骨，呢個位本應係何俊仁去嘅。

響任何人準備投票俾百鴿黨之前，我想問吓佢百鴿黨呢廿幾年來爭取過、同爭取到啲乜野呢？香港人俾佢呃咗廿幾年，由八八直選到依家，得到嘅民主晉程有幾多呢？話晒毓民隻蕉一出，啲公公婆婆就即刻袋多＄300 生果金，而呢一年來議題、抗爭、同議會文化都不斷改進。

一個呃咗你廿幾年，一個即刻有 result。有得揀嘅話，點解仲要投俾個無鬼用嘅政黨呢？

-力

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-11-30 23:42

新界西應該係大舊陳偉業。如果百鴿黨肯有返多少承擔、有返多少腰骨，呢個位本應係何俊仁去嘅。

響任何人準備投票俾百鴿黨之前，我想問吓佢百鴿黨呢廿幾年來爭取過、同爭取到啲乜野呢？香港人俾佢呃咗廿幾年，由八八直選到依家，得到嘅民主晉程有幾多呢？話晒毓民隻蕉一出，啲公公婆婆就即刻袋多＄300 生果金，而呢一年來議題、抗爭、同議會文化都不斷改進。

一個呃咗你廿幾年，一個即刻有 result。有得揀嘅話，點解仲要投俾個無鬼用嘅政黨呢？

-力
Lik 發表於 2009-12-1 14:54

陳偉業既話, 我都可以投佢既. 不過, 我都擔心會有人唔like 社民連既作風, 而唔投佢地票. 新界西真係危過危地馬拉...
如果係公民黨or 白鴿黨既人就會感覺比較良好. 話就話想用補選作公投, 但真係好難投一個o係譏會搞事既議員架...
好老實講, 我都好想2012普選, 但都唔想選長毛出黎代表我law.
希望社民連千祈唔好出長毛, 否認此議席會凍過水, 我唔想見到泛民少個議員.

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-11-30 23:48

71# mcjohnjohn
其實泛民邊個出來選都無分別，因為今次要選嘅係議題，係香港人要唔盡快普選。2012又好，普選路線圖又好，港人要申訴嘅係

「我地要普選！！！」

，而唔係選唔選返邊個泛民代表入議會。

MJJ，如果你唔明呢一點嘅話，咁你就完全 miss 咗今次變相公投嘅真正意義啦。

-力

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-12-1 00:07

71# mcjohnjohn
其實泛民邊個出來選都無分別，因為今次要選嘅係議題，係香港人要唔盡快普選。2012又好，普選路線圖又好，港人要申訴嘅係

「我地要普選！！！」

，而唔係選唔選返邊個泛民代表入議會。

MJJ，如果你唔明呢一點嘅話，咁你就完全 miss 咗今次變相公投嘅真正意義啦。

-力
Lik 發表於 2009-12-1 15:48

力力, 小弟想講既係, 香港人唔係你想像中咁單純... 「我地要普選！！！」唔代表要投一個自己唔like 既人入立法會.
小弟明白呢次公投嘅真正意義, 但係亦深信有好多人唔係咁諗. 小弟覺得白鴿黨都有呢個顧慮...

小弟覺得「我地要普選！！！」之餘, 仲要「一個都不能少！！！」. 不過, 小弟都係得個講字, 應該唔會去幫手拉票... 泛民都係聽天由命吧...

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-12-1 00:30

陳偉業既話, 我都可以投佢既. 不過, 我都擔心會有人唔like 社民連既作風, 而唔投佢地票. 新界西真係危過危地馬拉...
如果係公民黨or 白鴿黨既人就會感覺比較良好. 話就話想用補選作公投, 但真係好難投一個o係譏會搞 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-12-1 00:42

社民連可會派陶君行選？

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-12-1 01:04

社民連可會派陶君行選？
ricrick 發表於 2009-12-1 16:30

新界西, 如果係社民連既話, 好有可能係陳偉業, 因為佢一直都係o係呢個區服務市民的.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-12-1 01:33

香港真係要多謝社民連，
冇佢地既衝激，
都唔會令一向政治冷感既香港人關心政事。
你地可以話佢地行為過份，
之但係佢地的的確確做到效果出黎。
長毛冇乜野唔好，只係型像唔好，
可以問下有線播既立法會會議既收視丫，有長毛既係多人睇好多

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-12-1 10:50

力力, 小弟想講既係, 香港人唔係你想像中咁單純... 「我地要普選！！！」唔代表要投一個自己唔like 既人入立法會.
小弟明白呢次公投嘅真正意義, 但係亦深信有好多人唔係咁諗. 小弟覺得白鴿黨都有呢個顧慮...

BS la. These guys have to resign first in order to trigger the referendum -- they are already in LegCo to begin with, you know?! By voting them back in, you're voicing your support for a generally elected HKSAR CEO and a fully and directly elected LegCo. You are supporting the cause of the referendum. You are NOT just voting the person back into LegCo.

-Lik

作者: peter236 時間: 2009-12-1 12:31

BS la. These guys have to resign first in order to trigger the referendum -- they are already in LegCo to begin with, you know?! By voting them back in, you're voicing your support for a generally el ...
Lik 發表於 2009-12-1 11:50

Lik Lik, are you going to vote?

作者: chunsh 時間: 2009-12-1 12:45

71# mcjohnjohn
其實泛民邊個出來選都無分別，因為今次要選嘅係議題，係香港人要唔盡快普選。2012又好，普選路線圖又好，港人要申訴嘅係

「我地要普選！！！」

，而唔係選唔選返邊個泛民代表入議會。

MJJ，如果 ...
Lik 發表於 2009-12-1 00:48

LOL, u sounds like Donald Zheng (I represent all or the majority of hk people)

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-12-1 19:46

其實我睇吾到有咩害處，只要一選，做全民公投，才是真真正正知道所有人的意願

作者: chunsh 時間: 2009-12-1 20:24

本帖最後由 chunsh 於 2009-12-1 21:25 編輯

其實我睇吾到有咩害處，只要一選，做全民公投，才是真真正正知道所有人的意願
ricrick 發表於 2009-12-1 20:46

but do u think that Chinese gov will the agree with that?
they dont need to do much, just reduce the amount of "free walk", then hk economy will get hurt and people will surrender

some people may offended, but its the sad truth that many portion of the service industry in hk are rely on "free walk"

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-12-1 21:47

如果受得了官商勾結，窮者越窮，富者越富等問題日溢嚴重的地方
只顧當前利益，飯來申手，乖乖做隻狗好了

作者: kipposhi 時間: 2009-12-1 22:19

Freedom: priceless

作者: sheep 時間: 2009-12-1 22:20

如果受得了官商勾結，窮者越窮，富者越富等問題日溢嚴重的地方
只顧當前利益，飯來申手，乖乖做隻狗好了
ricrick 發表於 2009-12-1 22:47

hand hand!!!!!!!!!!

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-12-1 22:32

其實我睇吾到有咩害處，只要一選，做全民公投，才是真真正正知道所有人的意願
ricrick 發表於 2009-12-2 11:46

其實佢地係唔係只有咁樣做先可以做到全民公投既效果?
我只怕泛民o係立法會既人數不足以否決政府一d 勞民傷財既議案, 我靠哂佢地監察政府架!

作者: emailyahoo 時間: 2009-12-1 23:55

本帖最後由 emailyahoo 於 2009-12-2 01:03 編輯

絕對要贊成「五區公投」，等香港人一人一票決定究竟要唔要「真普選」，如果「親建制派」贏左，即係代表大部份香港人根本唔想要「真普選」，是佢地自己揀的，佢地唔鍾意自己選自己地方的特首、議員，第時遇到所有不公平的待遇，佢地亦不會有機會在選舉中用自己一票去表達不滿。

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-12-2 00:06

87# ricrickk

收皮啦，契弟

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-12-2 00:07

先前強烈反對總辭的華叔，無啦啦轉軚？
[youtube]EV-ANHmcTkk[/youtube]

作者: emailyahoo 時間: 2009-12-2 00:18

其實佢地係唔係只有咁樣做先可以做到全民公投既效果?
我只怕泛民o係立法會既人數不足以否決政府一d 勞民傷財既議案, 我靠哂佢地監察政府架!
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-12-1 23:32

依家所謂既監察政府，其實係乜都做唔到，你睇那個六百億高鐵是一定會通過，無人阻止到，政府根本唔理民間反對聲音。所有問題既根治方法，就係政制改革，「真普選」才可令政府不得不顧忌人民想法｛因為是人民選佢地出來的），這才真正能做到「監察政府」。

作者: emailyahoo 時間: 2009-12-2 00:25

陳偉業既話, 我都可以投佢既. 不過, 我都擔心會有人唔like 社民連既作風, 而唔投佢地票. 新界西真係危過危地馬拉...
如果係公民黨or 白鴿黨既人就會感覺比較良好. 話就話想用補選作公投, 但真係好難投一個o係譏會搞 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-12-1 00:42

依家投票係投議題，唔係投人呀！

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-12-2 00:51

依家所謂既監察政府，其實係乜都做唔到，你睇那個六百億高鐵是一定會通過，無人阻止到，政府根本唔理民間反對聲音。所有問題既根治方法，就係政制改革，「真普選」才可令政府不得不顧忌人民想法｛因為是人民選佢地出來的），這才真正能做到「監察政府」。
emailyahoo 發表於 2009-12-2 16:18

如果那個六百億高鐵是一定會通過, 係唔係代表泛民起唔到監察政府既作用? 唔會卦...

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-12-2 00:58

講真，我真係好想睇到有咩好戲，好緊張啊

作者: emailyahoo 時間: 2009-12-2 01:25

如果那個六百億高鐵是一定會通過, 係唔係代表泛民起唔到監察政府既作用? 唔會卦...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-12-2 01:51

民主黨講左會投棄權票啦！

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-12-2 07:09

民主黨講左會投棄權票啦！
emailyahoo 發表於 2009-12-2 17:25

咁係唔係因為民主黨投棄權票而唔支持佢地呢?
唉, 佢支持又好, 反對又好, 都有佢既理由, 呢d 野我都控制唔到.
其實, 佢地棄權之後, 動議係唔係一定可以通過? 佢地點解投棄權而唔投反對or贊成? 呢度有冇人知?

作者: sheep 時間: 2009-12-2 10:36

咁係唔係因為民主黨投棄權票而唔支持佢地呢?
唉, 佢支持又好, 反對又好, 都有佢既理由, 呢d 野我都控制唔到.
其實, 佢地棄權之後, 動議係唔係一定可以通過? 佢地點解投棄權而唔投反對or贊成? 呢度有冇人知? ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-12-2 08:09

你嚮香港甘近
去問民主黨
番泥話我知

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-12-2 12:39

其實佢地係唔係只有咁樣做先可以做到全民公投既效果?
我只怕泛民o係立法會既人數不足以否決政府一d 勞民傷財既議案, 我靠哂佢地監察政府架!
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-12-1 22:32

MJJ, you (and a lot of HK citizens) really need to understand how LegCo works.

I don't have a crystal clear idea of how their stupid system works either, but I do know that for a lot of the policies to pass, LegCo only requires a simple majority (over 50% support). With the presence of functional constituency, the HKSAR gov will almost always get their wishes granted. IIRC, the stupid highspeed train funding approval falls under this type of rule. This is one reason why we need to get rid of the evil functional constituency.

For some other policies, I think it needs majority support within both the functional constituency and among the directly elected members. If majority support is absent in either group, the bill falls through. Given the vast difference in views between the pan-democrats and the establishments, this requirement essentially renders LegCo to be completely useless.

For gov and/or policies proposed by the CEO (not 100% certain here), LegCo needs 2/3 majority support to pass. HKSAR CEO's policy address / policy reform bills fall under this category. This is why some people say the pan-democrats need to maintain the 23 seats in LegCo to veto the government's policies.

-Lik

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-12-2 12:46

咁係唔係因為民主黨投棄權票而唔支持佢地呢?
唉, 佢支持又好, 反對又好, 都有佢既理由, 呢d 野我都控制唔到.
其實, 佢地棄權之後, 動議係唔係一定可以通過? 佢地點解投棄權而唔投反對or贊成? 呢度有冇人知? ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-12-2 07:09

Wrong!

As voters, you have the power to influence and change their stance. As elected members of LegCo, Democratic party candidates are supposed to listen to their voters. They certainly don't have to, but voters will punish them in the next election by casting their votes for someone else. This is how democracy works.

Based on the stuff you wrote, it is obvious to me that you don't really believe in the democratic system, nor do you really understand how it works. Sad.

-Lik

作者: soli 時間: 2009-12-2 18:00

As elected members of LegCo, Democratic party candidates are supposed to listen to their voters. They certainly don't have to, but voters will punish them in the next election by casting their votes for someone else.

所以咪應該係投人﹐唔係投議題囉~ 哈哈
選左出黎擺明唔代表自己﹐o甘笨邊個肯做呀?

不過點都好﹐我絕對贊成總辭﹐唔好拖拖拉拉啦。

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-12-11 00:29

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