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作者: peter236 時間: 2010-1-11 02:17 標題: China: investing in green technology

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-1-11 03:19 編輯

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/10/opinion/10friedman.html

Who’s Sleeping Now?
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

Hong Kong

C. H. Tung, the first Chinese-appointed chief executive of Hong Kong after the handover in 1997, offered me a three-sentence summary the other day of China’s modern economic history: “China was asleep during the Industrial Revolution. She was just waking during the Information Technology Revolution. She intends to participate fully in the Green Revolution.”

I’ll say. Being in China right now I am more convinced than ever that when historians look back at the end of the first decade of the 21st century, they will say that the most important thing to happen was not the Great Recession, but China’s Green Leap Forward. The Beijing leadership clearly understands that the E.T. — Energy Technology — revolution is both a necessity and an opportunity, and they do not intend to miss it.

We, by contrast, intend to fix Afghanistan. Have a nice day.

O.K., that was a cheap shot. But here’s one that isn’t: Andy Grove, co-founder of Intel, liked to say that companies come to “strategic inflection points,” where the fundamentals of a business change and they either make the hard decision to invest in a down cycle and take a more promising trajectory or do nothing and wither. The same is true for countries.

The U.S. is at just such a strategic inflection point. We are either going to put in place a price on carbon and the right regulatory incentives to ensure that America is China’s main competitor/partner in the E.T. revolution, or we are going to gradually cede this industry to Beijing and the good jobs and energy security that would go with it.

Is President Obama going to finish health care and then put aside the pending energy legislation — and carbon pricing — that Congress has already passed in order to get through the midterms without Republicans screaming “new taxes?” Or is he going to seize this moment before the midterms — possibly his last window to put together a majority in the Senate, including some Republicans, for a price on carbon — and put in place a real U.S. engine for clean energy innovation and energy security?

I’ve been stunned to learn about the sheer volume of wind, solar, mass transit, nuclear and more efficient coal-burning projects that have sprouted in China in just the last year.

Here’s e-mail from Bill Gross, who runs eSolar, a promising California solar-thermal start-up: On Saturday, in Beijing, said Gross, he announced “the biggest solar-thermal deal ever. It’s a 2 gigawatt, $5 billion deal to build plants in China using our California-based technology. China is being even more aggressive than the U.S. We applied for a [U.S. Department of Energy] loan for a 92 megawatt project in New Mexico, and in less time than it took them to do stage 1 of the application review, China signs, approves, and is ready to begin construction this year on a 20 times bigger project!”

Yes, climate change is a concern for Beijing, but more immediately China’s leaders know that their country is in the midst of the biggest migration of people from the countryside to urban centers in the history of mankind. This is creating a surge in energy demand, which China is determined to meet with cleaner, homegrown sources so that its future economy will be less vulnerable to supply shocks and so it doesn’t pollute itself to death.

In the last year alone, so many new solar panel makers emerged in China that the price of solar power has fallen from roughly 59 cents a kilowatt hour to 16 cents, according to The Times’s bureau chief here, Keith Bradsher. Meanwhile, China last week tested the fastest bullet train in the world — 217 miles per hour — from Wuhan to Guangzhou. As Bradsher noted, China “has nearly finished the construction of a high-speed rail route from Beijing to Shanghai at a cost of $23.5 billion. Trains will cover the 700-mile route in just five hours, compared with 12 hours today. By comparison, Amtrak trains require at least 18 hours to travel a similar distance from New York to Chicago.”

China is also engaged in the world’s most rapid expansion of nuclear power. It is expected to build some 50 new nuclear reactors by 2020; the rest of the world combined might build 15.

“By the end of this decade, China will be dominating global production of the whole range of power equipment,” said Andrew Brandler, the C.E.O. of the CLP Group, Hong Kong’s largest power utility.

In the process, China is going to make clean power technologies cheaper for itself and everyone else. But even Chinese experts will tell you that it will all happen faster and more effectively if China and America work together — with the U.S. specializing in energy research and innovation, at which China is still weak, as well as in venture investing and servicing of new clean technologies, and with China specializing in mass production.

This is a strategic inflection point. It is clear that if we, America, care about our energy security, economic strength and environmental quality we need to put in place a long-term carbon price that stimulates and rewards clean power innovation. We can’t afford to be asleep with an invigorated China wide awake.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-1-11 08:35

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作者: Lik 時間: 2010-1-11 11:51

Gee... China's Green Leap Forward... could they have chosen a worse name?! (Just think back to how superbly successful the Great Leap Forward was 50 years ago...

It is true that China is doing a ton of green technology work (more for the country's own good than anything else, although I don't have a problem with that at all). But don't forget the tyrannical actions and requests that the Chinese government has taken during the Copenhagen talks, which pretty much resulted in a completely useless agreement on how the World should work together to slow climate change.

-Lik

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-1-11 13:55

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-1-11 15:01 編輯

Gee... China's Green Leap Forward... could they have chosen a worse name?! (Just think back to how superbly successful the Great Leap Forward was 50 years ago...

It is true that China is doing a t ...
Lik 發表於 2010-1-11 12:51

You stupid moron, it is the US that took tyrannical actions during Copenhagen. This shows the US was not sincere and wanted to shift the blame to other countries.
Lik, why are you so naive to fall such a US lie? The US wanted to set up a fund, with borrowed money, to help certain developing countries to control pollution, provided that the US can monitor China's actions. But this is ridiculous anyway, since these are two separate issues, as China does not need the money. Would the US allow Chinese inspectors to monitor the US's enforcement of pollution control?
Meanwhile, the politicians from the maple leaf country were laughed at by the environmentalists.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-1-11 13:58

Welcome .... MORON.

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-1-11 14:01

LOL~

I think someone has posted this before, but read a little and try to educate yourself before spewing any nonsense from your mouth la:

How do I know China wrecked the Copenhagen deal? I was in the room

-Lik

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-1-11 14:03

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-1-11 15:05 編輯

LOL~

I think someone has posted this before, but read a little and try to educate yourself before spewing any nonsense from your mouth la:

How do I know China wrecked the Copenhagen deal? I was in t ...
Lik 發表於 2010-1-11 15:01

LOL, when you quote from the British imperialists, you know it is going to be biased against China.
China will soon be leading, if not already, in green technology. The western countries can only spew crap and shift the blame to developing countries.
Lik, how many LED light bulbs have you bought recently.

作者: myversa 時間: 2010-1-11 15:27

Welcome .... MORON.
Catpiano 發表於 2010-1-11 14:58

I only read until "moron" in his post and stopped.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-1-11 17:04

I only read until "moron" in his post and stopped.

myversa 發表於 2010-1-11 16:27

Why Why Why??

I dont even need to read till "MORON" since you know he will say "MORON" anyway .. lol

作者: myversa 時間: 2010-1-11 21:43

I actually did not read the articles. haha. who cares about China's technologies when it still got long way to go with standards of people living in China.

Example one: keep on calling people moron.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-1-12 18:50

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-1-12 19:51 編輯

I actually did not read the articles. haha. who cares about China's technologies when it still got long way to go with standards of people living in China.

myversa 發表於 2010-1-11 22:43

haha, don't you think improvements in green technology is a form of improvement in the living standards of any country? We all hope Taiwan can come up some new green technology that can help the world.

作者: myversa 時間: 2010-1-12 19:27

haha, don't you think improvements in green technology is a form of improvement in the living standards of any country? We all hope Taiwan can come up some new green technology that can help the worl ...
peter236 發表於 2010-1-12 19:50

Improving in green technology does not improve how those people behave. They have to change the way they think first and start to care about other; all your technology stuff is all higher leveled; Government might try to do something but it will take time for some people to change.

Taiwan already is very care about the environment, even more than Canada. They have to separate garbage into 4 different category; and others.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-1-12 19:29

I actually did not read the articles. haha. who cares about China's technologies when it still got long way to go with standards of people living in China.

Example one: keep on calling people moron ...
myversa 發表於 2010-1-12 13:43

咁又唔係咁講喇, Peter應該住o係溫哥華... 咁之話係溫哥華住既people 既standard 有問題, 唔關China 事woh~

其實, 一個唔講道理既人, 無論o係香港, 中國或溫哥華都好, 始終都係一隻唔講道理人, 同居住地點無關的...

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-1-12 19:31

Improving in green technology does not improve how those people behave. They have to change the way they think first and start to care about other; all your technology stuff is all higher leveled; ...
myversa 發表於 2010-1-13 11:27

myversa, 有個題外話, 小弟N年前去台北玩, 街上想搵一個垃圾筒都冇... 請問佢地d 垃圾筒收埋左o係邊度的?...

作者: myversa 時間: 2010-1-12 19:45

myversa, 有個題外話, 小弟N年前去台北玩, 街上想搵一個垃圾筒都冇... 請問佢地d 垃圾筒收埋左o係邊度的?...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-1-12 20:31

You can usually find one near subway or park.

Taiwan is very strict on dumping the home garbage in the park.

You can read here about recycling program in Taiwan.

http://www.huiling.org.cn/html/gyck_542_884.html

作者: myversa 時間: 2010-1-12 19:48

咁又唔係咁講喇, Peter應該住o係溫哥華... 咁之話係溫哥華住既people 既standard 有問題, 唔關China 事woh~
其實, 一個唔講道理既人, 無論o係香港, 中國或溫哥華都好, 始終都係一隻唔講道理人, 同居住地點無關 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-1-12 20:29

haha I have nothing against China just do not like some of the things I saw here and in China too. I agree that 一個唔講道理既人, 無論o係香港, 中國或溫哥華都好, 始終都係一隻唔講道理人, 同居住地點無關 but it just happened that those people I saw were from China. I hope Peter and I can argue peacefully and use reasons and facts.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-1-12 20:10

haha I have nothing against China just do not like some of the things I saw here and in China too. I agree that 一個唔講道理既人, 無論o係香港, 中國或溫哥華都好, 始終都係一隻唔講道理人, 同居住地點 ...
myversa 發表於 2010-1-12 20:48

I always used reason when I tried to inform you of your misconception. It was you who tried to bring in unrelated stuff into a sports thread, for example. This reflects your flawed way of thinking. I guess it takes time for you to change your brash behavior.

If you do not like some of the things in China, that's fine, you can discuss it in your own thread. There is no need for you to spoil other sports threads.

作者: myversa 時間: 2010-1-12 20:20

haha funny. like you said you never know the flaw in your way of thinking.  You always accused me of things and attack me for being Taiwanese.

You cannot read and always thought when saying so call bad thing about China stuff that means I am anti- China.

When I pointed out Yao Ming's shortcomings and you said I attacked him.

Please, tell me that's your reason?  VERY FUNNY.

I have not seen one reason so far in the other thread.  You keep on accusing me this (about yao ming) or that. For someone who points out the bad thing is anti-China?  I can point out many bad thing about Taiwan  too and I am anti-Taiwan then? very funny logic indeed.

Tell you something that is related to topics, if the people in China do not really start to recycle; it's useless if China investing more money in green technology.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-1-12 20:27

You can usually find one near subway or park.

Taiwan is very strict on dumping the home garbage in t ...
myversa 發表於 2010-1-13 11:45

好靚既垃圾筒!
仲記得小弟成日o係街邊買野食/飲, 食/飲完之後就搵唔到垃圾筒, 結果行左成粒鐘先見到乍!
唔知當地人食完街邊小吃之後既垃圾完放o係邊呢?

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-1-12 20:30

農曆新年都就快到啦, 大家應該一團和氣~ 家和萬事興丫麻, member 和睦, LYK 就可興旺啦!
不如大家前事不提, 以往所發生過既事就當係一場誤會, 有錯都只係我麥莊莊既錯, 大家重新開始建立一個良好既關係啦!

作者: myversa 時間: 2010-1-12 20:32

農曆新年都就快到啦, 大家應該一團和氣~ 家和萬事興丫麻, member 和睦, LYK 就可興旺啦!
不如大家前事不提, 以往所發生過既事就當係一場誤會, 有錯都只係我麥莊莊既錯, 大家重新開始建立一個良好既關係啦! ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-1-12 21:30

it's okay la. I hold nothing against him la. LIke I said, something I need to argument to refresh my English. haha.

I would not type so much if I really hated him la...

作者: myversa 時間: 2010-1-12 20:34

好靚既垃圾筒!
仲記得小弟成日o係街邊買野食/飲, 食/飲完之後就搵唔到垃圾筒, 結果行左成粒鐘先見到乍!
唔知當地人食完街邊小吃之後既垃圾完放o係邊呢? ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-1-12 21:27

because they do expect you to separate your garbage into can, box and paper first rather than just dump everything into one can. People I know usually bring them home and separate them.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-1-12 20:38

haha funny. like you said you never know the flaw in your way of thinking. You always accused me of things and attack me for being Taiwanese.

You cannot read and always thought when saying so call ...
myversa 發表於 2010-1-12 21:20

wahahaha, I usually just post something here. But then it was you who likes to drag politics into various threads.

China already has many initiatives to recycle more stuff, in case you do not already know. Of course, there is still a lot that needs to be done.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-1-12 20:49

because they do expect you to separate your garbage into can, box and paper first rather than just dump everything into one can. People I know usually bring them home and separate them.
myversa 發表於 2010-1-13 12:34

bring them home and separate them... 死喇, 我從來冇諗過要拎番"炸雞排"既紙袋去recycle... 罪過罪過...

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-1-12 20:50

wahahaha, I usually just post something here. But then it was you who likes to drag politics into various threads.

China already has many initiatives to recycle more stuff, in case you do not alread ...
peter236 發表於 2010-1-13 12:38

乖啦乖啦~ 前事不記方為真好漢!
Peter哥, 一睇你就知你係一條好漢啦, right?

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