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作者: myversa 時間: 2010-2-25 08:28 標題: 中國冰壺女隊傳內訌隊員與加籍教練屢爆不和

中國冰壺女隊傳內訌隊員與加籍教練屢爆不和 2010年2月25日

http://www.mingpaovan.com/htm/News/20100225/vap1h.htm

【明報專訊】一次冬奧揭露深層次矛盾，今次的主角是中國女子冰壺隊，雖然最後一場分組賽以6比5力克美國，順利晉級4強，今日將與瑞典爭決賽權，但內地傳媒報道，4位「80後」女隊員和加籍主教練丹尼爾屢傳不和，丹尼爾更準備於6月約滿後離隊。

輸俄隊嘻嘻哈哈教練怒髮衝冠

今次風波源於倒數第2場分組賽，中國姑娘挾世錦賽冠軍之名，竟然4比7負於弱旅俄羅斯，4名隊員王冰玉、周妍、岳清爽和柳萌賽後嘻皮笑臉，毫不在乎，令丹尼爾怒髮衝冠：「她們只覺得比賽是工作，比賽完等於放工，根本不熱愛這種運動；我不明白她們怎麼想。」

隊長王冰玉也不甘示弱，高調地說：「我承認我不是一個好學生。」亦有傳聞指，王冰玉英文不俗，抵達溫哥華後多次以英語接受外國傳媒訪問，令其他隊員不滿，認為王愛「博出鏡」。

中國冬季運動管理中心表示會調查事件。

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2010-2-25 09:47

80後.....

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-2-25 09:56

教曉其他人
懂外語嘅好處
唔係好似上海世博咁
骨的模稜

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-2-25 13:13

同 short track speed skating 同花式流冰嘅選手來比，curling 呢班實在太唔掂。人地 speed skating 同花式流冰果啲選手就真係睇得出佢有幾熱愛個運動（特別係 speed skating 果班靚妹）。有熱誠先至能夠感動到觀眾同得到佢地嘅支持㗎嘛。

但阿力亦唔明，點解 curling 呢幾個咁唔識做？響國家隊裡面，你一唔聽話，教練、運動總監、同阿爺都一定會收你皮，咁你個運動員就聽返鄉下食穀種囉。

-力

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-2-25 15:39

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-2-25 16:41 編輯

同 short track speed skating 同花式流冰嘅選手來比，curling 呢班實在太唔掂。人地 speed skating 同花式流冰果啲選手就真係睇得出佢有幾熱愛個運動（特別係 speed skating 果班靚妹）。有熱誠先至能夠感動到觀眾 ...
Lik 發表於 2010-2-25 14:13

I just wonder how we can be so sure they have insufficient passion for the game. Curling is just like a chess game and most of these curlers from other countries keep their cool so that you can't read their emotions from their faces.
Of course, these Chinese short track speed skaters were celebrating wildly after they actually won their medals, but the curlers have not even finished their competition yet.
But anyway, these Chinese curlers have achieved more for their country than you ever will.

It looks like the Canadian coach for the Chinese team is just jealous of the rapid improvement of the Chinese It just took a couple of Chinese girls from Harbin, a few years to master and do well at a game which the Canadians regard as a tradition. What will happen if just a few more Chinese play curling?

作者: myversa 時間: 2010-2-25 15:55

Pete, I think you totally misunderstood. The article is not talking about their achievement or how fast they learn curling. It's about the passion about the sports. No matter how fast they improve themselves or how good they play in few years, if they do not have passion for the sports, why do they go to Olympics?

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-2-25 16:26

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-2-25 17:32 編輯

Pete, I think you totally misunderstood. The article is not talking about their achievement or how fast they learn curling. It's about the passion about the sports. No matter how fast they improve ...
myversa 發表於 2010-2-25 16:55

I think you need to read again what I wrote. I just asked how does Lik know that they have insufficient passion for the game from the spectator's perspective? According to Lik, he claimed the speed skaters and figure skaters have a lot more passion than the curlers. Maybe, Like knows them personally?
There is a chance that the Canadian coach of the Chinese is jealous of the Chinese, that is why he made up some unfounded comments. This is very unprofessional conduct for any high level coach during the Olympic games. Any comments can be left for after the games.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-2-25 16:51

la la la la la la ..

la la la la la ..

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-2-25 16:53

Pete, I think you totally misunderstood. The article is not talking about their achievement or how fast they learn curling. It's about the passion about the sports. No matter how fast they improve ...
myversa 發表於 2010/2/25 15:55

I think you got it wrong.

If you want to enjoy the game, just do it in your backyard. Why go to the Olympics?

Olympics is one business. And this business is about winning medals.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-2-25 16:54

The Canadian coach tries to put his personal values on the Chinese. Apparently he's the one not fit for the job.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2010-2-25 16:58

an "unprofessional" coach get a china from noob to world champ in curling.

Beat that.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-2-25 17:01

an "unprofessional" coach get a china from noob to world champ in curling.

Beat that.
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010/2/25 16:58

well, no relationship can last forever

he did a good job and it's time to move on

作者: CWong 時間: 2010-2-25 17:41

中国人有句话:教识徒弟冇師傅！

作者: myversa 時間: 2010-2-25 19:12

I think you need to read again what I wrote. I just asked how does Lik know that they have insufficient passion for the game from the spectator's perspective? According to Lik, he claimed the speed s ...
peter236 發表於 2010-2-25 17:26

He knows that from the news I posted. It could be wrong and it could be right; of course we can only tell by the news media. You did post some news from China and were they all true? Who knows right? We can only judge from the media. Of course if you know them personally or other news stated otherwise, you can say it otherwise. Then, you cannot say they have passion just because everything about China is good in your eye.

作者: myversa 時間: 2010-2-25 19:14

I think you got it wrong.

If you want to enjoy the game, just do it in your backyard. Why go to the Olympics?

Olympics is one business. And this business is about winning medals.
快樂牛郎發表於 2010-2-25 17:53

I could be wrong but if you do not have enough passion, how can you give your 100%.

ACCORDING TO THAT NEWS, players were joking even after they lost. That happened to the basketball team awhile back too. They do not have enough passion to try to win. That would be bad in my eyes.

Of course, it could be just that the coach is making those up.

作者: tofu 時間: 2010-2-25 21:23

她們只覺得比賽是工作，比賽完等於放工，根本不熱愛這種運動；我不明白她們怎麼想。

i do believe it. how long is the curling history in china? is it popular? 阿爺 wants to win more metals, so choose some talent ones and pay for a good couch. for the girls, it is just a job, if they win, get some bonus, if they loss, who's really care.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-2-25 22:55

I could be wrong but if you do not have enough passion, how can you give your 100%.

ACCORDING TO THAT NEWS, players were joking even after they lost. That happened to the basketball team awhile ...
myversa 發表於 2010/2/25 19:14

They were joking because the result of that game did not matter at all.

作者: prelude318is 時間: 2010-2-25 23:40

她們只覺得比賽是工作，比賽完等於放工，根本不熱愛這種運動；我不明白她們怎麼想。

i do believe it. how long is the curling history in china? is it popular? 阿爺 wants to win more metals, so choose so ...
tofu 發表於 2010-2-25 22:23

agree!!!!!

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-2-25 23:56

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-2-26 01:06 編輯

He knows that from the news I posted. It could be wrong and it could be right; of course we can only tell by the news media. You did post some news from China and were they all true? Who knows ri ...
myversa 發表於 2010-2-25 20:12

I knew the anti-China haters are itching to bash the Chinese at every opportunity.

Lik said "同 short track speed skating 同花式流冰嘅選手來比，curling 呢班實在太唔掂".
How does he know the speed skaters and figure skaters have "more passion"? The article that you posted just talked about the curlers.

Besides, I said before, the speed skaters actually won something, therefore they were celebrating wildly. But curlers have not even conclude their competition. What type of emotion do you expect from the curlers.
I didn't post a lot of Chinese news, LOL. I mostly post Chinese-related pictures because a picture is worth more than a thousand words.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-2-25 23:58

她們只覺得比賽是工作，比賽完等於放工，根本不熱愛這種運動；我不明白她們怎麼想。

i do believe it. how long is the curling history in china? is it popular? 阿爺 wants to win more metals, so choose so ...
tofu 發表於 2010-2-25 22:23

Well, your Canadian 阿爺 here, also want to "own the podium". Therefore, nearly $200 million was invested into the athletes. But now they concede that they cannot beat the US to "own the podium".

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-2-25 23:59

I mostly post Chinese-related pictures because a picture is worth more than a thousand words.

http://i0.sinaimg.cn/ty/o/p/2010-02-26/U3948P6T12D4856609F44DT ...
peter236 發表於 2010-2-26 00:56

No la, the picture you post worth more than hundreds and thousands dollars RMB

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-2-26 00:06

本帖最後由快樂牛郎於 2010-2-26 00:08 編輯

Well, your Canadian 阿爺 here, also want to "own the podium". Therefore, nearly $200 million was invested into the athletes. But now they concede that they cannot beat the US to "own the podium".
peter236 發表於 2010/2/25 23:58

Winning medals to satisfy superficial national pride is the ONLY goal of olympics.

As peter236 said, otherwise, why would you invest millions of dollars on SOMEBODY else for their "enjoyment"?

作者: B2L2 時間: 2010-2-26 08:14

本帖最後由 B2L2 於 2010-2-26 09:16 編輯

More info from the VancouverSun's report : http://www.vancouversun.com/spor ... /2604198/story.html

For me, I felt upset about the team if what the coach said is right (have nothing to do with which nationality they are).  And if you watched the game, you may have the same feeling too.

What kind of lame excuse saying that the coach is jealous.  He is the coach and he should be the one proud of the team he built up in 2 years time.  Why not saying that China is not going to renew his contract, and that's why he said something like this.  It would make a bit more sense.

There are athletes with loads of passion and they show in their races, even they aren't top competitors.  If you see Olympics is ONLY about national pride, you may have missed a whole lot.  And if what you said is exactly how China see Olympics, then it is just too bad for China.  And that will explain why the coach does fit this job from day one.

FYI, the China speed skating team spent most of their years training in Calgary and few also had Canadian coaches.  From their interview, they did show their passion about the sport, even being away from home with all the harsh training and not able to score for the gold medal (yet).

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-2-26 09:56

Basically they have no obligation to entertain you. If you don't like to see them play, switch to another channel.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-2-26 09:58

If you see Olympics is ONLY about national pride, you may have missed a whole lot.

well actually I think the whole event is stupid. National pride or not, it's just a gimmick to attract viewership. At the end of the day, MONEY is what counts.

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-2-26 10:49

Winning medals to satisfy superficial national pride is the ONLY goal of olympics.

As peter236 said, otherwise, why would you invest millions of dollars on SOMEBODY else for their "enjoyment"?
快樂牛郎發表於 2010-2-26 00:06

Being the type of cynical person you are, I wouldn't have expected you to look at it in any other way. But I think our very own Olympic medalist Clara Hughes sums it up best here:

http://www.ctvolympics.ca/news-c ... +women+power+podium

"I don't focus on my personal medal count," she told reporters. "I don't focus on the team's medal count. I look at the human performance... I think that these Olympics, and how excited Canadians are right now about being Canadian and celebrating excellence, I think that shows that there is some value to sport and I don't think that value lies in an overall medal count."

-Lik

作者: B2L2 時間: 2010-2-26 11:07

Basically they have no obligation to entertain you. If you don't like to see them play, switch to another channel.
快樂牛郎發表於 2010-2-26 10:56

Stop giving out lame excuse, which applies to almost everything but meaningless.  One could said Tiger woods has no obligation to entertain you with his personal sex life, so according to the excuse, we have no right to talk about it and women have no right to put their hate on him.  LOL.

Again, I feel disappointed with the China curling team because of their behavior (if that's true), not because of their nationality.  If Canada team did that, I feel the same on them.

I see Olympics differently and I put focus on the athletes rather than treating as a show.  Of course you could think it as stupid and switch channel too.  Peace.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-2-26 11:38

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-2-26 12:40 編輯

They won the bronze medal. They don't need any excuse or to care about what the detractors say about them. They have achieved more for their country than these bashers ever will.
If the bashers really care about sports, why don't they pick up any sport themselves?

作者: B2L2 時間: 2010-2-26 12:14

Yes, the athletes do NOT have to care about what that LYK said here.  You're the one who care what we said here whenever the word "China" appears.  LOL.

Maybe you personally know everyone high up in China and know what their expectation to the curling team.  Otherwise, how do you know they satisfied everyone's expectation?  They sure failed to achieved in the "sportmanship" category in few people's dictionary.

It made me smile when I saw an reply above just having : "la la la la la la .. la la la la la ..".  You're just so predicatable, Peter.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-2-26 12:28

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-2-26 13:40 編輯

Yes, the athletes do NOT have to care about what that LYK said here. You're the one who care what we said here whenever the word "China" appears. LOL.

Maybe you personally know everyone high up in ...
B2L2 發表於 2010-2-26 13:14

wahahahaha, based on what do you make the conclusion that they don't have passion? You don't even know them, you don't even know curling?

I don't know what the Chinese government thinks. But from my spectators perspective, they have done a good job.

They are so passionate and emotional.

作者: B2L2 時間: 2010-2-26 13:22

So you and I both don't know them, and you and I both don't know much about curling. We are even. (if not, tell us how much you know about curling) You don't have to side track your line so far to push your rank in an argument, while you aren't. LOL.

From my spectator perspective and what I read the coach said in the news, I'm upset with the team (if that's true, once again). I agree they did a good job to score bronze.

I'm not here to convince you to think as I'm. I'm here to said what I feel. Easy.

作者: daimo 時間: 2010-2-26 13:28

IMO the coach is a poor leader and unprofessional.

he has all his rights to be mad about the team. (granted i'm not defending the team). but as a leader and a coach, he should rant AFTER the game. He should be presenting an united front, at least until the game is over. His ranting to the media will only damage the communication (which he already mentioned as a problem) and ultimately affecting the morale.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-2-26 13:28

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-2-26 14:31 編輯

So you and I both don't know them, and you and I both don't know much about curling. We are even. (if not, tell us how much you know about curling) You don't have to side track your line so far to p ...
B2L2 發表於 2010-2-26 14:22

Those comments made by the coach a few days ago were controversial according to the media. But you are taking those comments as the whole truth.

okay now, why don't you try to read the coaches comment after they won the bronze medal?

The coach said he is satisfied with the performance of the team and that they did their best.

They are so emotional about the win.

作者: mukmuk 時間: 2010-2-26 13:33

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作者: B2L2 時間: 2010-2-26 22:54

I don't see how controversial in what the coach said. The major complain from the coach is the team instable performance and their lack of passion (said by the coach).

Their game against Canada is so good and even the coach said nobody could defect this team if they keep that performance. He made the complain after the Rassian game because the team's performance was so low. Now, on this bronze medal game, the team bounce back. It just proved what the coach said is correct about their instability.

The coach now said he satisfied with the performance in bronze medal, however, how's that related to the team's passion?

This team has a long way to growth, and I do hope they improve in all aspect and regain their passion about the sport.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-2-27 02:39

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-2-27 03:44 編輯

I don't see how controversial in what the coach said. The major complain from the coach is the team instable performance and their lack of passion (said by the coach).

Their game against Canada is ...
B2L2 發表於 2010-2-26 23:54

It is the western media that said those comments were controversial.

From their reaction after they won the bronze medal, they were so passionate about the game. who cares what you think?
The coach said he is satisfied with the team and his comments were unfounded.

The Chinese play was very stable. They lost to Sweden in the semi, but Canada also lost to the Swedes in the final. Are the Canadians not stable? The Sweden went on to win the gold. This is the Swedes year.
China was the third place team during the round-robin. If they are not stable, how about all the lower ranking teams?

作者: B2L2 時間: 2010-2-27 17:13

Haha.. discussion with Peter is always lengthy because you never read carefully. LOL.

Please read what I wrote with your glasses: "He made the complain after the Rassian game because the team's performance was so low."

Please quote me the news about the controversial part if you don't mind. Thx. I don't whole heartly trust western news or Chinese news and neither do you. So why this time, western media said something and you quote it and trust it so much.

Yes, nobody should and nobody would care much about what I said. Maybe you're the exception since you keep replying.

Have a nice weekend.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-2-28 03:02

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-2-28 04:09 編輯

Haha.. discussion with Peter is always lengthy because you never read carefully. LOL.

Please read what I wrote with your glasses: "He made the complain after the Rassian game because the team's per ...
B2L2 發表於 2010-2-27 18:13

hahaha, of course I can quote you the news where the western media though those comments created a controversy.

Just look at how they reacted after they won the bronze medal. This proves clearly that they are passionate about the game.

It is the Canadian team that was unstable. They are the first rank team in the world, but they lost to China, and then lost to the Swedes for the gold. Where is their passion?

http://www.ctvolympics.ca/curling/news/newsid=52904.html#china+cruises+victory+bronze+medal+game

China has its first Olympic medal in curling.

Defending world champion Wang Bingyu stole four in the eighth and final end to register a 12-6 win over Mirjam Ott of Switzerland in Friday's women's bronze medal game.

China opened with three in the first end and held the lead for most of the game. They stretched their lead to 5-1 with a deuce in the third frame and China had all the momentum.

But Switzerland answered back with three of their own in the next end to close the gap to 5-4.

Switzerland eventually fought back to tie the game at 6-6 in the sixth end but a deuce in the following frame put the Chinese back in front.

In the eighth end, Ott missed a take-out with her first shot, leaving a difficult draw against four on her last shot. When that draw came up light, the Chinese stole four and the Swiss decided to shake hands.

China's Canadian coach Dan Rafael, who sparked some controversy earlier in the tournament with derogatory comments about his own team, was happy with the rink's efforts on Friday.

"I just waited all week for them to show up and they did today. They did everything we told them to do and more," said Dan Rafael. "That's why I'm emotional. It's been two-and-a-half years, what can I say?"

It is the first time in three Olympic appearances that Ott has not earned a medal, having won silver medals in both Salt Lake City and Turin.

"We really had to fight back. We made a big mistake in the first and allowed three against us," said Ott. "China played well from the start. They had a few misses in between but they fought back.

It's hard. Every athlete wants to win a medal and at this moment, we're disappointed."

Later, Canada's Cheryl Bernard takes on defending Olympic champion Anette Norberg in the gold medal final. You can watch the game live on CTV and CTVOlympics.ca at 6pm et/3pm pt.

作者: myversa 時間: 2010-2-28 08:02

People always can get emotional after their win but you can always see how they would react when they lost.  Did Canadian laugh after their loss?  We do not have to believe the media but you can always watch the recorded video and see if Chinese team members did still chat happily when they were losing.

Let's say it's not Chinese team but another country team, and they did still chat happily, Peter, are you still going to defend them?

I made this point, not because they are Chinese team or their coach is Canadian.  Just simply an Olympics national team do not treat the game seriously.

Maybe after the loss, those team members got a lecture from the coach or other people and changed their attitude and thus they won the medals.  No one really knows.  Maybe someone will post a video after the Olympics are gone, and we will know the truth.

Just wondering, if the team is not Chinese team, would you still defend it like you do now?

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-2-28 15:16

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-2-28 16:17 編輯

People always can get emotional after their win but you can always see how they would react when they lost. Did Canadian laugh after their loss? We do not have to believe the media but you can alway ...
myversa 發表於 2010-2-28 09:02

Just wondering, if the team is not Chinese, would you bash them again and again for no reason like this? There are always bashers like you who are itching to bash the Chinese whenever possible.
If they didn't take it seriously, how could they win? It is not easy to get any medals.

作者: myversa 時間: 2010-2-28 15:44

Just wondering, if the team is not Chinese, would you bash them again and again for no reason like this? There are always bashers like you who are itching to bash the Chinese whenever possible.
If th ...
peter236 發表於 2010-2-28 16:16

I did not bash. I only tell in a sportsman's point of view. When I discuss NBA with my friends, I do not care they have Chinese on their team or not, we discuss how they played not their race. This is honest truth. I started to watch NBA in 1990 when there is no any Chinese playing or any of them have been to China. Do not assume I bash Chinese.

The only thing about Chinese is that if this is not news about Chinese teams, I would not post here since this is a Chinese forum. I would still discuss with my friends that the team did not have any passion no matter what team it is.

Now you tell me, if this is not a Chinese team, would you analyze differently?

作者: myversa 時間: 2010-2-28 15:47

They win maybe because that news really has some impact on the team so they learned their mistake, which was very good thing. Learn from mistake. THEY KNOW WHAT THEY DO WRONG AND TRY TO OVERCOME IT. They do not think they are all super-Chinese and they did not make any mistake. For this I praised them.

However when that news came out, they did not win yet so you cannot assume they can win then.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-2-28 18:01

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-2-28 19:06 編輯

I did not bash. I only tell in a sportsman's point of view. When I discuss NBA with my friends, I do not care they have Chinese on their team or not, we discuss how they played not their race. Th ...
myversa 發表於 2010-2-28 16:44

It is the same analysis with any team. You have to understand that these athletes are under pressure. You need to know how to relieve of the pressure and athletes have different ways of dealing with it. If you lost a game and you became uptight, you will lose again. You can even crack a few jokes with your teammates.
This is actually a non-issue, but the bashers are jumping on this chance. You keep on saying the Chinese has no passion. This is not only unfounded but the coach himself has since said that he is satisfied wit the team. The way I see it is that the Chinese are full of passion and they know how to deal with the pressure rather than being too uptight after losing a game.
The coach was so unprofessional with his unfounded comments. He claimed that he will not resign with Chinese team because he wants to be closer to his wife in Montreal. He claimed that some of the Chinese curlers will retire after this. But these are all irrelevant comments that should be made after the competition.

作者: myversa 時間: 2010-2-28 19:41

I did not mean Chinese has no passion. I meant that the player in the Chinese team in that articles has no passion. Did you see how USA became so upset after they lost the hockey game? They treated it seriously. According to your logic, USA hockey teams should not be too uptight after losing the game right? They should do what the Chinese team were doing, chatting happily on the bench?

I do not know the coach of that team so I had no comments about that coach. Maybe the coach made up the whole article but that was not my concern. I only discuss this article on sportsmanship.

Nevertheless, you still have not answer my question, if this is not a Chinese team but a Canadian team, I would still post because it's Canadian team but would you still try so hard to convince people otherwise?

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