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作者: samsung 時間: 2010-3-18 14:57 標題: So sad...

失業工程師呃54元開飯
訛稱天星售票機無退款騙找贖 2010年3月18日
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【明報專訊】曾月入逾萬元的助理工程師，SARS後失業致債台高築，2006年破產，年初因沒錢開飯，連續兩天沒吃東西後，一日內4次在港九渡輪碼頭向天星小輪職員訛稱自助售票機故障要求退款，成功騙取54元買食物果腹，兼「免費」遊船河。他昨承認欺詐罪，裁判官慨嘆年輕人寧願犯案，卻不肯屈就任職低收入工種。

3度成功騙款昨認罪

天星小輪有限公司發言人表示，案件已進入司法程序，不便評論，但公司已向員工講解有關機器故障時的既定檢查程序。

被告鍾學騰(29歲)，昨承認3項欺詐及1項企圖欺詐，暫准保釋外出，等候感化官及社會服務令報告判刑。控罪指他於今年1月14日，分別在尖沙嘴天星渡輪碼頭、中環新天星渡輪碼頭及灣仔天星渡輪碼頭內，虛假表示將20元紙幣放入自助售票機，但售票機發生故障，要求職員退款，從而每次獲得18元找贖及一張價值2元的船票(天星小輪下層票價)，總共騙去54元。

失業半年兩日無開飯

辯方昨求情表示，中五學歷的被告，自幼喪父，母親之後將他交由祖母照顧。被告指曾任機器繪圖員，後來當上助理工程師，月入逾萬元，惟公司倒閉後，一直未能覓得長工，2006年破產後，一直依靠母親及祖母供養。案發時被告失業半年，已兩日無錢開飯，但又不欲長期向家人索取生活費始犯案。被告並無同謀，手法不精明，涉案金額少，請求法庭輕判。

官斥被告不肯屈就

主任裁判官郭啟安昨斥責被告行為愚蠢，生活一團糟，個人理財不善，認為失業不是藉口：「年輕人找工不難，便利店、快餐店都可以呀，但你不肯屈就，現在犯法好高尚咩？」郭官續指被告將留下案底，斥責其「民事誠信」已破產，現在「刑事誠信」亦破產，最後語重心長地叮囑：「你要仔細考慮往後日子如何度過。」案件將於本月31日宣判。

案情指出，今年1月14日下午2時，被告於尖沙嘴天星渡輪碼頭訛稱自助售票機故障，入了20元紙幣後無法出票，小輪職員遂向其發放18元現金及一張價值2元的船票。被告變相無本生利，及免費持票乘船到中環。被告食髓知味，先兩次重施故伎，均成功獲利，直至在灣仔天星渡輪碼頭，職員起疑僅抄下其個人資料，其等候退款消息。有職員事後翻看閉路電視，揭發被告4次都沒有入錢，立即報警。警誡下被告承認一時貪心犯案。

【案件編號：KCCC 1113/10】

作者: myversa 時間: 2010-3-18 15:04

Yes my boss said one person was laid off one year ago by one of our clients and that person still could not find job. Why? Because he did not want to get into job with lower pay.

作者: tofu 時間: 2010-3-18 15:41

sometimes it is hard for him to find a job. because mcdonld won't believe he will stay long. no company will like to train person that will leave anytime

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-3-18 15:44

生活一團糟，個人理財不善，認為失業不是藉口：「年輕人找工不難，便利店、快餐店都可以呀，但你不肯屈就，現在犯法好高尚咩？

This sums it up. Some people just want to keep the status quo and would never admit the reality.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-3-18 15:55

Mr..... T ??

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-3-18 16:00

But some employer doesn't like to hire someone because s/he is "over qualified"...
It may not be as easy as one would think to just find a low paid job...

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-3-18 16:33

But some employer doesn't like to hire someone because s/he is "over qualified"...
It may not be as ...
fibbi 發表於 2010/3/18 16:00

My experience is that employers don't mind, unless they are looking for someone who's willing to commit long term.
But in today's world, if your job is not that great to begin with, very few people would want to stick around.

作者: mucc1928 時間: 2010-3-18 16:35

Yeah...if you have a degree, i don't think the employer will hire you to do fastfood or cashier. It is because they know you will leave very soon.

Sometimes reality doesn't give people a chance.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-3-18 17:04

Yeah...if you have a degree, i don't think the employer will hire you to do fastfood or cashier. It ...
mucc1928 發表於 2010/3/18 16:35

Let's not talk about fastfood or customer service jobs, coz a degree is useless in these positions.

If your job doesn't require too much training, why would it bother you that your hire would leave very soon? (Well, I don't mean weeks, but let's say half a year). If I were an employer, I would rather hire someone who can do the job well for 6 months rather than someone who makes tons of mistakes but is willing to stay long. Stability is important, but if you got someone who's not doing a great job, what's the point of keeping the person anyway.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-3-18 17:07

You have to realize that there's a big difference in ability among hires. Say you have two candidates, person A who's willing to stay for 10 years and person B who's only willing to stay for 6 months. Person A makes mistakes regularly and there's no reason to expect that he/she would improve significantly. Person B is bright and very efficient and can do two people's jobs at once. Which one would you pick?

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-3-18 19:37

can ppl hide their qualifications at interview? he can claimed that he is only secondary graduate if he really want the job... his problem is 尊嚴 as he said in another article.

if a 29 yrs old but haven't got anything to eat for 4 days, he definitely should be responsible himself, so sad

作者: tofu 時間: 2010-3-18 20:17

""You have to realize that there's a big difference in ability among hires.  Say you have two candidates, person A who's willing to stay for 10 years and person B who's only willing to stay for 6 months.  Person A makes mistakes regularly and there's no reason to expect that he/she would improve significantly.  Person B is bright and very efficient and can do two people's jobs at once.  Which one would you pick?"""

how can you tell a person will makes mistakes regularly and won't able to improve during the interview ar?  of course, in your case, i will pick person b.
if it is just a simple job, the employer will more look for the one who can do the job and likely will stay for a long time.  if you are over qualified, you are just seeing this job as temporary and keeping looking for another one, so you may stay for 6 months but you may stay for a week. you are smart, but you may not do a great job, since this is not the job that you want.

作者: myversa 時間: 2010-3-18 20:20

There are in fact people who are not taking cut in their salary when trying to find a job. They were used to get that much pay and they rather stayed home and collected EI.

作者: tofu 時間: 2010-3-18 20:21

can ppl hide their qualifications at interview? he can claimed that he is only secondary graduate if he really want the job...
yes, but not for all, if you are kind of fresh grad, you need to explain to your employer what you are doing in those years.
if your next employer do a reference check and called your former employer then both employers find out that you lied.

he should responsible for himself, since he is an adult. but still....

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-3-18 20:22

There are in fact people who are not taking cut in their salary when trying to find a job. They wer ...
myversa 發表於 2010/3/18 20:20

yep, that's why EI is a joke.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-3-18 20:27

how can you tell a person will makes mistakes regularly and won't able to improve during the interview ar?
tofu 發表於 2010/3/18 20:17

Yes, there are so many factors that you can't determine at the interview. That's why I think it's absurd to reject someone just because he's "overqualified". A misfit can do more damage than someone who does a good job for 6 months and move on. Most jobs require less than half a week of specific training. Such overhead is pretty minimal.

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-3-18 21:12

本帖最後由 samsung 於 2010-3-18 21:16 編輯

can ppl hide their qualifications at interview? he can claimed that he is only secondary graduate if ...
tofu 發表於 2010-3-18 20:21

why I feel so sad for him? $54 HKD is less than $10 CAD and he still don't have it, it's really like a typical " 輓個錢括沙都無 ", isn't it sad?

why he can't find some 體力努動 job? or sell something in their house, for example? and an adult doesn't have anything to eat for 2 days, it is quite unbelievable in nowaday's HK, he should go to some charity like 保良局 or food bank etc.

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-3-18 21:15

「人愈大愈重尊嚴，不想麻煩人……」 2010年3月18日
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【明報專訊】鍾學騰曾月入逾萬，家住居屋；現在身無分文，寄居祖母名下公屋。他解釋為何犯案，言語間流露倔強一面﹕「人愈大，尊嚴愈重，身無分文，不想麻煩任何人，於是想出愚蠢方法。」

中五畢業愛上繪圖由低做起

「案發前破產管理署代我取消戶口，身上沒有錢。」阿騰說不想「攤大手板」求人，但事發時已兩天沒吃飯，「不敢偷，不敢吃完不付款，所以用愚蠢方法，(希望)買飯盒買飲品。」他坦承已撰寫道歉信予天星小輪。同住的祖母和親人得知此事，反應各異，「阿先責罵後關心，親戚則說我『諗埋一面』，堅持要做回本行」。

阿騰曾是專業人士，更曾升至助理工程師，「中五畢業當學徒，到分判商學習機電工程，及後當上繪圖員，繪製樓層佈局圖，電線、喉管、冷氣槽，一目了然。其後公司出一半學費，讓我到IVE(香港專業教育學院)讀機電文憑。2003年月入萬五、六。」行外人看不懂黑線密佈的圖，卻是阿騰的心頭好，「佈局圖放在電機房讓工人參考，圖上有繪圖者名字，成功感買不了」。

不敵SARS 公司倒閉

可惜，略有所成的事業，不敵SARS，「公司倒閉，失去工作，文憑讀了一半便停」。

阿騰自此脫離本行，做過倉務員及辦公室工作。薪金銳減，生活逼人，原本家住小西灣居屋，每月供款6000多元，捱不住終要賣樓。無力支付家用，與母親關係轉差。阿騰曾向銀行和朋友借貸，06年申請破產，最快到本年9月才可脫離破產行列。

阿騰現與年逾八旬祖母相依為命，得親人接濟毋須為兩餐煩惱。他希望盡快覓得工作，供養祖母，但現實不如人意。「失業半年，找了十數份倉務員工作皆無回音。」但他堅持不領綜援，「有手有腳，只是不停見工不停失敗，消極才犯案」。除了生計，還有家人，「最希望修好家人關係，因為一旦出事，最終在你左右的，始終是家人」。

明報記者何偉

作者: ricrick 時間: 2010-3-18 23:47

有骨氣！可惜死了冇人可憐

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-3-18 23:54

香港人真係死都唔會申請綜援
呢樣野好
值得讚

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-3-19 00:17

香港人真係死都唔會申請綜援
呢樣野好
值得讚
快樂牛郎發表於 2010-3-19 15:54

唔係個個香港人死都唔申請綜援既, 佢只係一個個別例子.
有骨氣唔係唔好, 但骨氣唔可以當飯食, 為左填飽個肚, 放棄少少骨氣都係一個權宜之計吧.

作者: yuusaku 時間: 2010-3-19 08:42

i don't think 申請綜援 = 冇骨氣
it is from the taxpayer's money, if the applicant ever paid any tax, i don't think it is shameful to apply. unless that guy decides to live his life on EI forever...but i don't think the system allows that anyway.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-3-19 08:51

咦？
掃把頭
你個乜乜重住僅公屋呀？
琴日佢重去排隊攞綜緩喎！

有時
都要照顧吓身邊嗰啲有頭有面嘅親戚朋友嘅

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-3-19 10:51

本帖最後由 samsung 於 2010-3-19 10:53 編輯

咦？
掃把頭
你個乜乜重住僅公屋呀？
琴日佢重去排隊攞綜緩喎！

有時
都要照顧吓身邊嗰啲有頭有面嘅親戚 ...
sheep 發表於 2010-3-19 08:51

what about his grandma? he eats nothing and also tell grandma not to eat anything? to feed his 骨氣﹖starve grandma to die? as the judge said: now you have committed crime, isn't it more 無尊嚴?

I agreed with yuusaku, 唔申請尊嚴 is not equal to 有骨氣﹐有骨氣 should try his every best to find a job, take up the responsibily to feed the family. 所謂大丈夫能屈能伸﹐甚麼工都應該做,even with very humble salary or 出賣努力. And also EI or welfare is a system that we are qualify and eligible to get, esp EI, we have contributed every month from our hard earned money, I will definitely apply if I need to, why not?

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-3-19 10:55

and he used a very stupid way, how many times can he cheat star ferry and thought nobody would notice? and only for that small bit of money? silly silly!!!

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-3-19 11:27

而家變成面子問題

作者: tofu 時間: 2010-3-19 14:00

Yes, there are so many factors that you can't determine at the interview. That's why I think it's ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2010-3-18 20:27

we shouldn't reject someone just because he's overqualified, but we prefer the one just fit the job. and there is no guarantee the overqualified person will stay for 6 months or longer. they may find another job next week. the training may need a week or so, but it takes time for a newbie become experienced person. posting a job/interview a person cost time & money too.

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