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作者: siumaibb    時間: 2010-4-14 12:12     標題: 星期二檔案 - 戶藉夢

星期二檔案 - 戶藉夢

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中國有好多問題都係不為外人知。睇完個video覺得民工似工具多過似人。我諗中國要壯大，真係要改善民生先，但係要改善民生我諗靠宜家個政府真係唔意。真係希望共產黨快d收皮。。。
作者: Lik    時間: 2010-4-14 13:33

Thank you for posting.

I'm extremely interested to see what our dear Peter and Rockypath have to say about the outdated 戶藉 system.

-Lik
作者: peter236    時間: 2010-4-14 13:50

Thank you for posting.

I'm extremely interested to see what our dear Peter and Rockypath have to sa ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-14 13:33

You moron, this issue is not new wor and is not a secret.
作者: 快樂牛郎    時間: 2010-4-14 13:55

中國有好多問題都係不為外人知。睇完個video覺得民工似工具多過似人。我諗中國要壯大，真係要改善民生先，但係要改善民生我諗靠宜家個政府真係唔意。真係希望共產黨快d收皮。。。siumaibb 發表於 2010/4/14 12:12


Most of them are uneducated.  If you want to see changes, wait for another couple generations.
作者: Catpiano    時間: 2010-4-14 14:32

LOL ..

What is the different between "NOT NEW" and "OUTDATED"

When Lik said .. it is "OUTDATED" ..  then Peter said "MORON! it is NOT NEW" ...
作者: LOK    時間: 2010-4-14 14:48

"共產黨收皮" will solve every problem?

加拿大夠民主啦, 你覺得好好咩?
Just look at the RCMP, Canadian Customs, ICBC, BC transit...
差老打死人, drink and drive... 冇事!
Canadian Customs can do whatever they want...
ICBC, BC transit 年年加價...
HST
大家出聲, 反對, 有冇用?

民主, 共產 都會有問題, 人嘅問題大過制度嘅問題。
作者: mukmuk2    時間: 2010-4-14 14:48

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作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-14 14:58

I'm extremely interested to see what our dear Peter and Rockypath have to say about the outdated 戶藉 system.

Lik 發表於 2010-4-14 13:33


Thank you for being extremely interested in what I would have to say.

What do I have to say? It will depend on what your argument is. The outdated 戶藉 system is a fact and existing social issue. You can state your points, take your stand and make your argument. I will be happy to play devil advocate.

We can lay all the points and facts on the table and let LYKs to make their own judgment.  

P.S. – friendly reminder – do more research before stating your points and arguments, don’t let your biases blind you.
作者: mukmuk2    時間: 2010-4-14 15:00

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作者: Lik    時間: 2010-4-14 15:25

TWhat do I have to say? It will depend on what your argument is. The outdated 戶藉 system is a fact and existing social issue. You can state your points, take your stand and make your argument. I will be happy to play devil advocate.
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-14 14:58

What's the point of laying out an argument with you though? From your remarks above, it is obvious that you are arguing for argument's sake.

-Lik
作者: peter236    時間: 2010-4-14 15:26

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-14 15:28 編輯
LOL ..

What is the different between "NOT NEW" and "OUTDATED"

When Lik said .. it is "OUTDATED"  ...
Catpiano 發表於 2010-4-14 14:32

you stupid stupid moron. "not new", means this 戶藉 issue has existed for quite some time. It's not like it is a recent issue.
"outdated", means the 戶藉 system needs to be reformed, to adapt to the rapid economic growth of China..
You can't even comprehend English.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-14 15:50

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-4-14 15:54 編輯
What's the point of laying out an argument with you though? From your remarks above, it is obvious  ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-14 15:25


The outdated 戶藉 system is a fact and social issue. And you should provide me a base to comment on if you are interested in what I would have to say.

I would expect you understand the difference of existing facts and POV on an existing fact. Don’t tell me you do not understand I ask for your argument is asking for your POV but not to argue with you.  LOL…..

simaibb at least stated his POV - 我諗中國要壯大，真係要改善民生先，但係要改善民生我諗靠宜家個政府真係唔意。真係希望共產黨快d收皮。。。

Got it?
作者: 快樂牛郎    時間: 2010-4-14 15:58

It's just another issue of self-interest.  Self-interest pretty much explains a lot of things.  But who doesn't want to protect his/her self-interest? As someone born and living in the city, would you want your city to be flooded with legitimate residents from the villages?
作者: Catpiano    時間: 2010-4-14 16:10

WOW ..

Since when .. Mr. Moron is so good in "NON-CHINESE"  

LOL ..
作者: Lik    時間: 2010-4-14 17:00

It's just another issue of self-interest.  Self-interest pretty much explains a lot of things.  But who doesn't want to protect his/her self-interest? As someone born and living in the city, would you want your city to be flooded with legitimate residents from the villages?
快樂牛郎 發表於 2010-4-14 15:58

It's more than an issue of self-interest because at its core, the problem lies in greed, inequality, and social injustice. The migrant workers are being taken advantage of for their cheap labour and their obedient good nature. They've done their part and contributed their youth and their lives to their country's economic growth, and yet they continue to be treated as second class citizens in their own country by the government. In fact, they are treated as dirty laundry and swept under the carpet (having to return to their native villages) when they've out-lived their usefulness -- ie. the moment factory workers start to get old and can't keep up with the demanding production quotas, they are either fired or forced to resign.

(Of course, the situation has improved quite a bit in the last year or two when lots of migrant workers decided to not return to Guangdong for work. But that doesn't change any of the injustice around the 戶藉 system.)

On the other hand, those with money and in positions of power can continue to manipulate the system to suit themselves. If you have the dough, you can buy yourself a residency status even in Shanghai.

-Lik
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-14 17:31

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-4-14 17:32 編輯
They've done their part and contributed their youth and their lives to their country's economic growth, and yet they continue to be treated as second class citizens in their own country by the government....
Lik 發表於 2010-4-14 17:00


Lik,

You have a good heart but you didn’t want to spend time to do some research on the topics that you are interested in. Making 膚淺comments like this just weaken your points and shows that you might lack of the ability to look at issues with balanced view and make objective judgments.

Maybe you should ask this question first – “why is the 戶籍 system outdated and ineffective NOW and had the戶籍 system been useful before?”.

I would suggest you to lookup some information on this question and you should have a better understanding on this issue.
作者: peter236    時間: 2010-4-14 17:34

It's more than an issue of self-interest because at its core, the problem lies in greed, inequality ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-14 17:00

Lik, your points sound reasonable. We are all aware about this. But how do we solve this issue? It is very easy to allow hundreds of millions of people to walk into Beijing, Shanghai etc, but you still need the time to build up the infrastructure.
作者: sheep    時間: 2010-4-14 17:36

Lik, your points sound reasonable. We are all aware about this. But how do we solve this issue? It  ...
peter236 發表於 2010-4-14 17:34



    good point, you need cheap labour like the farmers to build them
作者: 快樂牛郎    時間: 2010-4-14 17:38

The situation is clear.  You can come to work, but there's no benefits for you.  If you still want to come, welcome.
作者: soli    時間: 2010-4-14 18:07

戶籍制度係以前老毛時代出於戰略需求(例如大躍進運動)而產生﹐但碰巧又在之後的大陸改革開放﹐經濟高速發展時﹐對防止城市人口過份集中作出很大貢獻。

城市跟農村既收入差距巨大﹐農民擁入城市生活工作係必然既﹐若不加限制﹐使城市人口過渡膨脹﹐把城市拖垮﹐難以持續發展(就像當年的墨西哥城)。

當年港英政府取消“抵壘政策”﹐換成“即補即解”限制大陸移民亦係這個原因。直到現在﹐亦可想象到若果香港無限制容許大陸人移民到港﹐將會有甚麼嚴重後果。

當然﹐農村民工對城市發展有好大貢獻﹐但若說要取消戶籍制度﹐認為戶籍制度過時﹐卻言之尚早。

在第3個clip有提到大陸正出現民工荒﹐原因是農民在原居地的生活得到改善(收入增加和免費教育)﹐這是好現象﹐證明中共對解決“三農問題”有所成效﹐並非空口講白話。

城市和農村收入差距收窄﹐就係廢除戶籍制度既前提。大陸正向這方向邁進﹐而各城市也有不同措施讓農民轉戶籍來應付這“過渡期”﹐因此我認為無咩好責罵的。
作者: tofu    時間: 2010-4-14 18:08

戶藉 & one child policy are the problems need to solve slowly.  otherwise the cities or country will overflow.

the show doesn't say the benefit of non-city 戶藉, at least non-city 戶藉 can have more than one child.  but i thought they can only have max two children.  but how can the first family has three?
作者: soli    時間: 2010-4-14 18:14

戶藉 & one child policy are the problems need to solve slowly.  otherwise the cities or country will ...
tofu 發表於 2010-4-14 18:08


一孩政策同戶籍制度係用黎解決人口問題﹐並非問題本身。
印度搞幾十年家庭計劃都無咩成效﹐正是其人均收入增長同大陸差一大截既主因之一。
作者: sheep    時間: 2010-4-14 20:51

無知並不是罪﹐  真正的罪是以無知為榮
作者: 快樂牛郎    時間: 2010-4-14 22:33

一孩政策 is the best thing in this world
作者: MAXIMUS    時間: 2010-4-15 05:23

回復 25# 快樂牛郎


    I'm the only child in my family, what's so good about it?
    I want a baby brother
作者: meowmeowmeow    時間: 2010-4-17 09:50

"共產黨收皮" will solve every problem?

加拿大夠民主啦, 你覺得好好咩?
Just look at the RCMP, Canadia ...
LOK 發表於 2010-4-14 14:48


Agreed
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2010-4-17 11:24

本帖最後由 somewhereintime 於 2010-4-17 11:54 編輯

Better than China for sure, at least for another 20 years.that's why I stay in Canada
作者: peter236    時間: 2010-4-17 12:47

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-17 12:49 編輯
Better than China for sure, at least for another 20 years.that's why I stay in Canada
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-4-17 11:24

hahaha, you should be part of the solution and assist China to get better rather than hiding in Canada.
Learn from the Chinese how they work for the future their country, rather than bashing them from  a distance.
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2010-4-17 12:53

本帖最後由 somewhereintime 於 2010-4-17 13:07 編輯

I'll let you to take all the credit,
I'm retiring while you are young.I bash the Communist Party, not the Chinese people and culture,
me and CCP do not mix.
作者: peter236    時間: 2010-4-17 13:35

I'll let you to take all the credit,
I'm retiring while you are young.I bash the Communist Party, no ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-4-17 12:53

As you are retiring, you should go to China and do some volunteer work there. Train some more young chefs there. This has nothing to do with the CCP.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-17 15:10

Better than China for sure, at least for another 20 years.that's why I stay in Canada
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-4-17 11:24


I am a Chinese Canadian and proud of my Chinese root. That makes a difference between me and you.

We should certainly raise our voices and criticise the Chinese government but with the heart of helping it to improve its governing of the country and the progress of building democracy for the 福祉 of mainland Chinese.

Did you ever consider the 後果 if the CCP is overthrown when you are bashing the CCP and 煽動群眾情緒? What is the alternative if CCP is overthrown and what kind of situation will it be in China?

Please have a sincere heart to people who are not as “lucky” as you are.
作者: playingtoy    時間: 2010-4-17 17:24

其實嚮part3 3：50 出左過別字 我想講左好耐



份
作者: Lik    時間: 2010-4-17 18:45

Did you ever consider the 後果 if the CCP is overthrown when you are bashing the CCP and 煽動群眾情緒? What is the alternative if CCP is overthrown and what kind of situation will it be in China?
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-17 15:10

其實中國今日嘅內政問題千瘡百孔，其他人就算唔講，難道你真係又天真又傻到以為中國國內嘅老百姓唔知，同埋啲領導人唔為意咩？中央政府用咁多資源去打壓同河蟹唔同嘅聲音，其實就正正係佢心虛嘅嘅表現。

如果老共係唔得民心，咁佢俾人推返又有咩咁出奇呢？就正如國民黨當年貪婪腐敗，所以咪倒台敗走台灣囉？

你上面所講嘅呢句說，就正如 60幾年前啲支持國民黨嘅人會所講嘅一樣。所唔同嘅係，你將 CCP 換咗落 KMT 果度。

昨日播咩種，今日咪得咩果囉。歷史嘅巨輪又豈係區區幾個人就可以改變嘅呢？

-力
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-17 19:41

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-4-17 19:47 編輯
如果老共係唔得民心，咁佢俾人推返又有咩咁出奇呢？就正如國民黨當年貪婪腐敗，所以咪倒台敗走台灣囉？

你上面所講嘅呢句說，就正如 60幾年前啲支持國民黨嘅人會所講嘅一樣。所唔同嘅係，你將 CCP 換咗落 KMT 果度。
...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-17 18:45


To test whether you know what you are talking about, could you do a comparison and show us what the result is?

Could you compare the economy, living standard, political and international influence of China at 50, 30, 10 years ago and now?

Which country is perfect and which party has no problem? Whether we should continue to allow a particular party in power is to see whether it is providing a better life to its people and leading the country prosper and grow stronger.

個人意識形態 is your own choice, but it does not mean it is good for mainland Chinese and China as a country.
作者: sheep    時間: 2010-4-17 20:20

I am a Chinese Canadian and proud of my Chinese root. That makes a difference between me and you.  ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-17 15:10



   學好中文先講啦
石仔路 而家響中國好吃香
攞泥鋪高鐵 墊火車底
為國家犧牲 係你夢寐以求嘅夢想
作者: sheep    時間: 2010-4-17 20:30

本帖最後由 sheep 於 2010-4-17 20:31 編輯
Could you compare the economy, living standard, political and international influence of China at 50, 30, 10 years ago and now?

rockypath 發表於 2010-4-17 19:41


   結構性問題 例如 貪贓枉法 貧窮 文盲 權力派系鬥爭
妄顧人權 以權謀私 種種
今天 相比以前 有過之而無不及
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2010-4-17 22:03

I have been known as a proud Chinese Canadian, my Chinese root
dates way beyonds CCP, it is a  passenger in time, while China has
5000 years of consecutive history. Chinese lived well  and its culture
thrived  1,000 of years before  modern communism even conceived.
The social problems and corruption in China now is un-precedent  in
1,000 years, and will not improve unless the officials repent, it is more
volatile than nuclear bomb.
I  have no confident in CCP  so I choose  to stay in Canada, where I know
my basic human  right will be protected, in China, who knows?
Just watch the video clips on the victims  from  Chinese  civic crimes, how the
just lawyers being mis-treated and blackmailed. It is all on the HK news,
don't tell me that all the non-CCP owned medias are  controlled by USA and
British,  just ask an average citizen in HK.
作者: playingtoy    時間: 2010-4-17 22:22

就聽日拉大隊番大陸攪思想改革 都係唔好 聽講大陸好多乞兒下 我就好難搵食下 都係 好 話晒都係中國人 但係要講國語 唔 都係唔好 除非 除非 暫時仲未諗到除非啲乜野
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2010-4-17 22:46

Check out the video clips  posted by    bxnews's channel on Youtube,
they are genuine life and stories of average Chinese citizens
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2010-4-17 23:00

I love Canada because I can criticize the government everyday
and still getting pay by them.
What would happen if I do the same thing in China?
thrown in jail and get rotten without a just and fair  trail
作者: Nam    時間: 2010-4-18 01:04

雖然我唔係挺中國嘅熱血份子，但睇嘅時候覺得雖然對民工唔公平，但可幸的事佢哋努力起碼可以有溫胞，有啲仲叫做買到樓住！依啲都叫做係改善嘅一種，希望有生之年能夠見證中國能夠改革啦！
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-18 01:29

I love Canada because I can criticize the government everyday
and still getting pay by them.
What wo ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-4-17 23:00


I love China regardless which party is in power, rich or poor, strong or weak.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-18 01:47

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-4-18 02:11 編輯
結構性問題 例如 貪贓枉法 貧窮 文盲 權力派系鬥爭
妄顧人權 以權謀私 種種
今天 相比以前 有過之而無 ...
sheep 發表於 2010-4-17 20:30


Even though I 不屑 respond to you, I will respond to you anyways since 難得你講句人話.  

Could you answer this question – in your opinion, which factor is a more critical and decisive reason for 台灣民進黨 to lose its governing power?

1)        經濟無能
2)        貪贓枉法
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2010-4-18 05:19

本帖最後由 somewhereintime 於 2010-4-18 05:29 編輯

The corruption of Ah Bien's family is so bizarre,
he did not steal as much as some Red Capitalist,
but the cash he loots in proportion to Taiwanese GDP
is astronomical.
He  sells the government official positions even high military
commanders, dips in military purveying &  everything
imaginable and un-imaginable.
I think corruption is universal in both side of China, even
young school kids in mainland say 我的志願是做大貪官, what kindof culture is that?

I did not make anything up, it is in all Chinese medias, Hong Kong
and oversea.
The difference is, the press is allowed to monitor, report and criticize the
government in Hong Kong and Taiwan, never in Mainland.
作者: MAXIMUS    時間: 2010-4-18 07:06

我的志願是做大貪官
sounds good,  money, power and 1,000 mistresses,
much better than the Al Quada Martyr.
作者: MAXIMUS    時間: 2010-4-18 07:11

回復 43# rockypath

Why you're still wasting time in poor canada then?
you should be building the great NorthWest and
Qing hai and be a true poletariat
作者: MAXIMUS    時間: 2010-4-18 07:17

I like Malaysian girls, they are really hot
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-18 08:42

The corruption of Ah Bien's family is so bizarre,
he did not steal as much as some Red Capitalist,
b ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-4-18 05:19


Just answer my question straight - which factor is more decisive for 民進黨 to lose its governing power?

1)        經濟無能
2)        貪贓枉法
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-18 09:00

回復  rockypath

Why you're still wasting time in poor canada then?
you should be building the great NorthWest and
Qing hai and be a true poletariat MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-4-18 07:11


Do you understand what respecting and being proud of your own root mean?

Loving China is not equal to loving any particular political party. However, I won’t be blinded by personal biases because of a particular political party which I do not support is in power.

My family, relatives and family friends donate money to build school and do voluntary works in China every year to do our small part to help the people who are not as “lucky” as you are. What have you done for the Chinese people?

So anyone who does not agree with your personal view should go back to China?
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2010-4-18 09:10

2)        貪贓枉法

Doesn't matter how well the Taiwanese economy is,
once the PLA  shoots 20 long range missiles over their head,
the market will crumble and the people panic.
The CCP can send troops to wipe out all the population completely in TW
and replace them with  3,000,000 mainlanders;
or, they can simply  destroy the TW economy by naval blockade,
in any mean, the CCP can occupy TW easily  but the Taiwanese will
never bow to them.
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2010-4-18 09:11

本帖最後由 somewhereintime 於 2010-4-18 09:12 編輯

The Chiang family were dictators,
Lee is a big traitor
Chen is a  shameful, cunning, rotten scoundrel
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2010-4-18 09:11

2)        貪贓枉法

Doesn't matter how well the Taiwanese economy is,
once the PLA  shoots 20 long range missiles over their head,
the market will crumble and the people panic.
The CCP can send troops to wipe out all the population completely in TW
and replace them with  3,000,000 mainlanders;
or, they can simply  destroy the TW economy by naval blockade,
in any mean, the CCP can occupy TW easily  but the Taiwanese will
never bow to them.
作者: MAXIMUS    時間: 2010-4-18 09:17

Do you understand what respecting and being proud of your own root mean?

Loving China is not equ ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-18 09:00


Anyone who blindly worship red china should go back and
be constructive, not just talking cheap here. I donated to
Qing hai ans Sichuan  relif fund too, from the money I earn
tutoring
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-18 09:21

Anyone who blindly worship red china should go back and
be constructive, not just talking cheap h ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-4-18 09:17


It is good that you actually did do something to help the people who are not as "lucky" as we are, and I respect you for that.

Why do you think I am a someone who blindly worship red China (I believe you mean red CCP)? Could you give examples to support your claim?
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-18 09:24

2)        貪贓枉法

Doesn't matter how well the Taiwanese economy is,
once the PLA  shoots 20 long r ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-4-18 09:11


Do you have the ability to read and comprehend my question?

Just answer my question straight and directly - which factor is more decisive for 民進黨 to lose its governing power?

1)        經濟無能
2)        貪贓枉法
作者: MAXIMUS    時間: 2010-4-18 09:26

回復 55# rockypath


You keep talking  only the upside of the  china,
and keep silent when some lyk reveal the unfairness
cases in china. Do you have any friend other than peter?
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-18 09:27

回復  rockypath


You keep talking  only the upside of the  china,
and keep silent when some lyk  ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-4-18 09:26


Please give examples.
作者: samsung    時間: 2010-4-18 11:15

I love China regardless which party is in power, rich or poor, strong or weak.
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-18 01:29



    well said, support
作者: sheep    時間: 2010-4-18 19:44

Even though I 不屑 respond to you, I will respond to you anyways since 難得你講句人話.  

Could yo ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-18 01:47


冥頑不靈 講多嫌費事
不過 你定 你一定俾我食著
我唔會教你 呢啲係你雙親嘅責任
我會繼續插你

你講嘢 有啲邏輯先喇

批評中國現政府 唔等於唔愛中國
盲目去愛國 唔等於係理性
作者: sheep    時間: 2010-4-18 19:48

難得你講句人話.  


rockypath 發表於 2010-4-18 01:47



   我一溜都講僅人講嘅野

係你有陽氣嗰陣就聽到
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-18 22:13

我一溜都講僅人講嘅野

係你有陽氣嗰陣就聽到
sheep 發表於 2010-4-18 19:48


你是人還是鬼就站出來讓大家驗一驗。

Instead of BS the nonsense, why don’t you dare to answer my question directly? DON’T BE A COWARD.

Which factor is more critical and decisive for 台灣民進黨 to lose its governing power?

1)        經濟無能
2)        貪贓枉法
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-19 01:19

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-4-19 01:29 編輯
回復  rockypath

You keep talking  only the upside of the  china, and keep silent when some lyk reveal the unfairness cases in china. ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-4-18 09:26


Maximus, the great Maximus. Why do you keep silent?

I have asked for concrete examples/evident to support your claim of I blindly worship the red China (red CCP).

You only stated your conclusion but no evident is provided. Were you actually aware of what you were saying when you said something?
作者: MAXIMUS    時間: 2010-4-19 05:51

回復 63# rockypath

Nah, your debates always ended up ugly. I do't know about the
old LYK forum,  but  all I can remember from the past few months
are most name calling dog fight. seems only peter would agree\
with ya.  I got 2 part-time jobs to do and helping my uncles afterward,
got to fly, good luck
作者: sheep    時間: 2010-4-19 07:31

你是人還是鬼就站出來讓大家驗一驗。

Instead of BS the nonsense, why don’t you dare to answer my q ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-18 22:13



   收皮喇你
收皮呀 你明唔明
作者: habitrailspace    時間: 2010-4-19 08:08

本帖最後由 habitrailspace 於 2010-4-19 08:10 編輯
I love China regardless which party is in power, rich or poor, strong or weak.
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-18 01:29


ask urself why u r here in canada as a cbc?

u said u love china. hv u been to / wk in china?

u love china but not blind loving!

do u know why so many chinese all over the world? why dun they stay in their own soil?

just think abt it & dun hv to answer my questions.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-19 08:33

回復  rockypath

Nah, your debates always ended up ugly. I do't know about the
old LYK forum,  but ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-4-19 05:51


Why none of you guys can stand up for what you said – it is just because you guys just made bold statements with no backup and support at all.
作者: MAXIMUS    時間: 2010-4-19 08:48

My parents  left China after the cultural revolution, where
many  of our close relatives died in vain for crimes they never committed.
My parent decided to move oversea
before the "Return to Motherland"
they got a nightmare keep haunting them.
If you trust communist, go ahead and serve   THE PEOPLE, not me.
I know it's coming, you get bore and try to provoke LYK again,
no wonder you get no sympathy nor friends, except peter
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-19 08:52

ask urself why u r here in canada as a cbc?

u said u love china. hv u been to / wk in china?

u l ...
habitrailspace 發表於 2010-4-19 08:08


habitrailspace: ask urself why u r here in canada as a cbc?

Rockypath:        What is your purpose of asking this question and what kind of statement do you want to make? I am lucky to be in Canada and that is why I have much more than the mainland Chinese who are still living in poverty. But what does it have to do with being proud of my Chinese root?  

habitrailspace: u said u love china. hv u been to / wk in china?

Rockypath:  This is an irrelevant question again. If what I said is not true or based on no ground, why none of those guys can challenge me? It is because I just point out the facts but they cannot face the reality. BTW, why do you always believe I have not been to China? I can tell you it is wrong again.   

habitrailspace :u love china but not blind loving!

Rockypath:  Don’t just make statements. Please give examples and evident to support your claim.

habitrailspace: do u know why so many Chinese all over the world? why dun they stay in their own soil?

Rockypath:  Is this the statement you want to make – Chinese who live overseas or migrated to other countries do not love their own country or root – China? Do I have to be the person to tell you that is not true and a silly statement?
作者: MAXIMUS    時間: 2010-4-19 09:03

Don't try to confuse us again,
the reason so many people choose to leave Chinese is
that they are totally  fed up with the communist government.
There is nothing wrong to love our culture and history,
we donate to disaster relief because we still have bound
with the people.
Should the communist  spend less money on military and
space programs,  they would not need foreign aid.
Up to 6-7 years ago, China still received financial aid from
US and other countries  as a developing nation.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-19 09:08

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-4-19 09:33 編輯
My parents  left China after the cultural revolution, where
many  of our close relatives died in vai ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-4-19 08:48


I feel sorry for what your parents had been through in those dark ages. I believe not many families in that time were able to escape safe and unhurt.

This is why I understand a political stability allowing the mainland Chinese to have a peaceful environment to build their lives especially the financial and education is important and that is what they have been always longing for.

Someone had kept challenging me whether I have been to China. What I can tell him this is the 心底願望 of ordinary Chinese especially who had been through the dark ages. I would ask him to visit China and talk to the people living at the bottom of the social hierarchy and understand what they actually need and want.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-19 09:16

Don't try to confuse us again,
the reason so many people choose to leave Chinese is
that they are t ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-4-19 09:03


Don’t try to confuse people again.

What is the most important and needed to ordinary mainland Chinese who are living at the bottom of the social hierarchy? Is “who is in power” the issue they concern the most?

NO. Here are their daily concerns and focus – “where is my next meal”, “do I have shelter for my family”, “how would I be able to put my Children through education?”, “am I able to afford the health care for my family” ….. The list is long and you can add to it.
作者: MAXIMUS    時間: 2010-4-19 10:24

so the Moonfleet is more important than the peasant's basic need?
what is the importance to send astronauts to outer space?
It is the government's duty to provide what the people need,
it is not charity.
The videos posted by bxnews are the real voice of lower class
people, tell  us that  they are  all fabricated by the US to degrade china.
作者: habitrailspace    時間: 2010-4-19 10:34

so the Moonfleet is more important than the peasant's basic need?
what is the importance to send ast ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-4-19 10:24

i respect u trying to explain all these to HIM. HE thinks he nose everything by sitting in front of the computer. we all try but he will never listen. HE is supergod!
作者: MAXIMUS    時間: 2010-4-19 10:44

回復 74# habitrailspace


    HaHa,  I'm supposed to be doing inventory in the warehouse now,
    taking an extra long lunch break
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-19 10:47

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-4-19 11:02 編輯
so the Moonfleet is more important than the peasant's basic need?
what is the importance to send astronauts to outer space?
...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-4-19 10:24


If I answer this question in a direct way, I have to spend a lot of effort to educate you since I would doubt you have enough background knowledge. Therefore, I would give you some directions to build up your background first.

1)        Why does every country around the world put research and advance in technologies as one of its core 發展國策 for its survival and development?

2)        China is in a critical moment of facing 社會和經濟結構轉型, what are the supporting pillars to these changes and why advance in technologies is important?

3)        What kind of impacts 太空技術 will have to the national security, international influence and advance in 國家生產力 (and eventually benefit the ordinary people)?

It will be easier for you to challenge 社會不公 in China rather than challenge this kind of topic.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-19 10:54

i respect u trying to explain all these to HIM. HE thinks he nose everything by sitting in front of ...
habitrailspace 發表於 2010-4-19 10:34


Did I claim I know everything? But it seams like I certaily know more than you do. At least I did spend time to know more about the topics that I am interested in and be aware of what I say.

It is you and your friends tried to challenge me and failed to stand up for what you said.
作者: MAXIMUS    時間: 2010-4-19 10:57

為虎作倀
作者: MAXIMUS    時間: 2010-4-19 11:00

Thank you for the education
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-19 11:00

為虎作倀
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-4-19 10:57


Don't just make statements. Please list your supporting points and evident.
作者: MAXIMUS    時間: 2010-4-19 11:01

回復 77# rockypath

Oh you know more than all of us combined,
so we are all wrong
作者: MAXIMUS    時間: 2010-4-19 11:03

If I answer this question in a direct way, I have to spend a lot of effort to educate you since I  ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-19 10:47


Who foster the 社會不公 in China
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-19 11:07

回復  rockypath

Oh you know more than all of us combined,
so we are all wrong
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-4-19 11:01


I only know about things that I have knowledge on.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-19 11:13

Who foster the 社會不公 in China
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-4-19 11:03


It is the right thing to do to 批評社會不公. But it is also equally important to be able to evaluate the situation objectively.

Is the life of Chinese people improving? Is the political system improving? Is the justice system improving? Is its function of monitoring the government of public media improving? Is its international influence improving?
作者: sheep    時間: 2010-4-19 11:19

This is why I understand a political stability allowing the mainland Chinese to have a peaceful environment to build their lives especially the financial and education is important and that is what they have been always longing for
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-19 09:08



  你即係話儘管CCP IS IN POWER
THERE IS STILL NO STABILITY
PEOPLE NEED TO BE CONTROL？
作者: MAXIMUS    時間: 2010-4-19 11:20

回復 84# rockypath
Is the political system improving?
Is the justice system improving?
Is its function of monitoring the government of public media improving?

The answer is little or none
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-19 11:21

回復  rockypath
Is the political system improving?
Is the justice system improving?
Is its functi ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-4-19 11:20


Don't just make statements. Please list your supporting poits and evident.
作者: sheep    時間: 2010-4-19 11:25

I only know about things that I have knowledge on.
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-19 11:07


呢啲 就好似股市用語
選擇性吸納
作者: MAXIMUS    時間: 2010-4-19 11:26

Are we doing mid term here?
those are all facts, you are the only one here refuse to face
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-19 11:26

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-4-19 11:41 編輯
你即係話儘管CCP IS IN POWER
THERE IS STILL NO STABILITY
PEOPLE NEED TO BE CONTROL？
sheep 發表於 2010-4-19 11:19


It is good that you talk normally and say something that makes sense.

Political stability and peaceful environment is not only what the ordinary Chinese people wish for but the CCP as well. The CCP will do whatever in its control to be maintained in power. However, it is also to its own benefits of providing a better life to the Chinese people and this is inline with the ordinary people longing for.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-19 11:28

呢啲 就好似股市用語
選擇性吸納
sheep 發表於 2010-4-19 11:25


Sorry, wrong word.

I only talk about things that I know of.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-19 11:31

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-4-19 11:32 編輯
Are we doing mid term here?
those are all facts, you are the only one here refuse to face
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-4-19 11:26


Do you know the difference of statement/conclusion and supporting evidences?

Please show us why do say it has little or no improvement? You can put in a 2-colum table to tell us - what was before and what is now.
作者: MAXIMUS    時間: 2010-4-19 11:32

My uncle spent 2 year teaching English in Sichuan 2007-2009 with a Ca education degree,
what he observed is not as rosy as you stated.
Corruption, and more corruption,  people were insane to make quick money,
from officials, military to common citizens
作者: MAXIMUS    時間: 2010-4-19 11:33

回復 91# rockypath


    like worshiping  the authority?
作者: MAXIMUS    時間: 2010-4-19 11:34

There are 2 Gods in China

Money and Power
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-19 11:36

My uncle spent 2 year teaching English in Sichuan 2007-2009 with a Ca education degree,
what he obse ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-4-19 11:32


Everyone knows about the corruption in China. But does it support you complain of there is no improvement in living standard, political, justice, education, monitoring function of public media and international influence?
作者: MAXIMUS    時間: 2010-4-19 11:36

回復 90# rockypath

It is like I'll give you peace if you give me all your possessions and
submit to me
作者: sheep    時間: 2010-4-19 11:37

Sorry, wrong word.

I only talk about things that I know of.
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-19 11:28



    因為你只會去搵你想知嘅野
唔識去面對你唔識嘅野
只有繼續去搵野來支持自己井蛙之見
做成你今日語無倫次嘅原因
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-4-19 11:37

There are 2 Gods in China

Money and Power
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-4-19 11:34


These are the 2 Gods in every single country around the world!!!
作者: MAXIMUS    時間: 2010-4-19 11:39

it is like the Whole Life insurance, very good concept,
but very difficult to sell, at least not here



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