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作者: godavid 時間: 2010-4-27 22:19 標題: Is this a good time to return hk?

i'm not too sure if i could return to hk
because i don't find any interest working in here
and we have the HST in may(the prepaid HST)
and there are so many people return hk for employment

if you want to dine out in vancouver, you have to be rich
i dont' used to dine out currently,

i just need some feedbacks, guys

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-4-27 22:37

i'm not too sure if i could understand what you said...

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-27 22:38

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作者: Purpleheart 時間: 2010-4-27 22:40

其實我都有呢個感覺
溫哥華好似淨係俾有錢人住咁
N 年後可能成個 parking lot 淨係法拉利, Lamborghini etc

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-27 22:41

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作者: 布小熊 時間: 2010-4-28 07:57

I didn''t have the same feeling... we got a lot of cheap/free entertainment here. For food, cooking at home is always an option and going fine dine is cheaper compare to that in HK as well.

作者: MSN04 時間: 2010-4-28 08:31

It does not matter.
If you are good, u will do well wherever u go.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-4-28 08:38

Vancouver wor .. need to be rich to dine out?

Chinese food is cheap in Van .. ( not as cheap as Toronto ) and good taste!

$20-30 in Van, can do lunch for 2, $30-0 can do dinner .. Jap food is cheap too...

Well, fast food ... low price too, but once I think I can have MacDonal combo in HK for $20 ($2.5 cad) vs $7 here ....

In general, you will make more money here. (doctor, waiters, cashier, bankers..etc..)
Some job, could make decent income in HK too, with experience. (accountant, IT, or whatever job related to China)

Few yr ago, was good to move back to HK, when house price was so damn high here, and Cad was over $8 ...

However, now? even house price here is still high, and Cad $ is high, but house price in HK is also record high, unless you dont mind to live in NT .. if you want to live in HK side ... big buck!

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-28 08:54

If you're returning to HK, be ready for 12 hour workdays and 400 sq ft apartments. Also, if you are not enjoying your work here, do you have a valid reason in thinking that you'll find something interesting in HK?

Vancouver is not for everyone, but neither is Hong Kong. And increasingly, HK is becoming more and more of an unjust city, and more and more of a Mainland Chinese 2nd fiddle city. If you don't mind that, go right ahead. Just don't expect the SAR government to look after your interests as an everday regular person.

-Lik

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-4-28 09:28

A few things to consider:
Place to stay-do you have a place to stay in HK? You need to pay rent? Assuming you live with family here, so you don't need to pay rent here vs you need to pay rent in HK? Plus...room size is significantly smaller in HK...
Career path-depends on what you do, some jobs are easier to find in HK I guess? like advertising, design, PR? Maybe banking too? But for sure, be prepared much longer working hour and many jobs requires travelling to China...
Living standard: expense-wise...in your example, you say dine-out in Van is expensive than HK, well yes and no...yes that you can find cheap "fish ball noodle" in HK, so if you can live with "maxim", "wonton noodle" everyday, you can save $ on food. But in HK, most people like to stay in the "trend" and buy lots of gadget. Can you "resist" these "trends". If not...it's way easier to spend than save in HK...

作者: 羽山 時間: 2010-4-28 09:47

回復 1# godavid

i could understand your feelings.

HST is just not a good policy.

i rather remain at the smae GST　and PST now.

y i should pay 7 percent more tax on my dinner lunch ??
or buying foods.

please go to your election zone sign for anti HST.

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-4-28 10:38

It does not matter.
If you are good, u will do well wherever u go.
MSN04 發表於 2010-4-28 08:31

well said

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-4-28 10:46

any time is good time to return to hk, better buy air ticket before May 1 to avoid HST

作者: myversa 時間: 2010-4-28 10:53

any time is good time to return to hk, better buy air ticket before May 1 to avoid HST
samsung 發表於 2010-4-28 10:46

International tickets are not affected.

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-4-28 10:59

回復 14# myversa

oh too bad... tiffiant you have to pay HST then... but I still agree you go back tomorrow

886

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-28 11:15

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-28 11:19 編輯

If you're returning to HK, be ready for 12 hour workdays and 400 sq ft apartments. Also, if you are ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-28 08:54

That is why you need to expand horizon from Hong Kong to other cities in mainland China. Many Chinese cities are catching up very fast and that is why the opportunities are there. Even for less amount of $, you get bigger apartments and high living standards.

In Hong Kong, the income taxes are much lower than here. They don't have GST, PST or whatever. We have 12% HST here and that is on top of income taxes. In Hong Kong, most people don't even pay that much income taxes.

作者: godavid 時間: 2010-4-28 11:22

thank you for your suggestions

by the way, who is tiffiant?

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-28 20:55

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作者: chocobun 時間: 2010-4-28 22:03

the dine out comment was a bit funny to me, i think you meant to eat out... instead of cooking at home... which is not very expensive depending what you eat.. if you go to some "cha chan teng" it costs under $10 for a meal

作者: tofu 時間: 2010-4-28 22:25

you know how life look like in hk, compare to what you are experiencing now, which one do you like?
if you are still young and don't have anything to hold back, why not?!? no matter it is good or not, it is still part of your experience and will be part of your memory.
you can still come back anytime ma.

作者: tofu 時間: 2010-4-28 22:34

That is why you need to expand horizon from Hong Kong to other cities in mainland China. Many Chin ...
peter236 發表於 2010-4-28 11:15

hk doesn't has msp, so you need to get all kinds of health insurance or "touch wood" all your saving for any health problem. local traffic costs time and money. $50/$60? will takes you anywhere by public transit here. or spend a little more for a car. in hk, prepare to pay 4x 5x more money and time la.
most people in vancouver are so so. not bad, not good.
in hk, you have more opportunity to be rich or even more to be poor.

作者: godavid 時間: 2010-4-28 22:34

tofu, what i see is that:
you work here, ya, you got $, but you need a vehicle to spend
a vehicle, you have to pay gas, insurance, car accessories/maintaince
and if you are working just 8 dollar a car, how could you afford getting a new car for your own
even a used car, how much you know about someone's used car

i been here just 5 years, not long, just i don't find anything good in here
hst, and more tax are getting trolled for no reason!!!!!!

if i return back to canada, tofu is my frist internet friend to meet with

作者: tofu 時間: 2010-4-28 22:44

本帖最後由 tofu 於 2010-4-28 22:46 編輯

if you are really just getting $8/hr, you should stay here.  you are working at the lowest lever of work, which you are protected by the minimum wage.  but in hk, the same job may only pay you $4000hkd/month.
let say you work at mcdonald, you work 8hrs/day with 6days work, you earn $1664/month.  after taxes, probably around $1300, which is around $9000hkd.
do you think you will better off with earning $1300 or $4000(or $6000) in hk.  if you can't afford a car here.  the same type of job in hk will allow you to buy a car in hk.  if you are the cashier at mcdonald in vancouver, you will become a ceo at mcdonald in hk???
compare apple to apple la.

you can get an used car for $2000 or even lower, of course lot of things to fix, no money, learn it la.  no free lunch in this world

作者: godavid 時間: 2010-4-28 22:56

i'm not getting any vehicles in hk
just comparing the lifestyle between them
you won't able to find malls which opens after 9:00pm
but in hk, entertainment life is better than here, at least you can still walk around at the mall after 9:00 pm
some stores even closed at 11:00pm
ya earning is more in here, but how could you spend it? in here, all you do is just save save save and the money will go to the governments

作者: MSN04 時間: 2010-4-28 23:07

well said
samsung 發表於 2010-4-28 10:38

Thank you... i was trying to say the opposite way
"If you are a loser, u are still a loser no matter where you go"
But... i guess, i should try to be nice ROFL

作者: tofu 時間: 2010-4-28 23:43

本帖最後由 tofu 於 2010-4-28 23:46 編輯

i'm not getting any vehicles in hk
just comparing the lifestyle between them
you won't able to find ...
godavid 發表於 2010-4-28 22:56

yes, malls close early here, but you get off early as well. malls close at 11pm in hk, but you probably get off at 8/9pm. so big difference??? prefer to go shopping after 8hrs work or 10+ hrs work? entertainment life is better in hk?, depends on what type of entertainment do you like.
you don't really have chance to show off your brand name stuffs here, but you can save your money and go on vacation or do something else, own a speedboat? a trailer? and ....
as i said before, if you can afford it, move back and experience different types of life. but just don't fantasize it. definitely you will dislike some parts of hk really soon.

作者: chocobun 時間: 2010-4-28 23:50

if you have no money, why do you care how late shops close at? no money but still go shopping?

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-29 00:28

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-29 00:30 編輯

i'm not getting any vehicles in hk
just comparing the lifestyle between them
you won't able to find ...
godavid 發表於 2010-4-28 22:56

Suppose you want to buy an apartment. In Hong Kong, you can buy an apartment in the New Territories for about HK$1,500,000. You can then take the train or subway to wherever you want in HK. Public transportation is world class in Hong Kong. You can even apply for public housing in Hong Kong.

Here the real estate prices are so high that you have to move out far away in the Lower Mainland where there is little transit service or buses. How do you get around with no car?

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-29 07:20

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作者: samsung 時間: 2010-4-29 07:56

if you have no money, why do you care how late shops close at? no money but still go shopping?
chocobun 發表於 2010-4-28 23:50

shoppping costs him nothing if he buys nothing

作者: godavid 時間: 2010-4-29 11:17

well, some are shopaholic
some are not
some can handle their expenses

作者: godavid 時間: 2010-4-29 11:21

Suppose you want to buy an apartment. In Hong Kong, you can buy an apartment in the New Territories ...
peter236 發表於 2010-4-29 00:28

car is really important in vancouver, without a car, no where you can go
but in hk, you can take bus/minibus/mtr, taxi/ trains
but in here, you only have to rely on buses. and buses are not accurate on the time in here, if the bus is full, you have to wait for another bus. or if you are unlucky, some stupid bus driver would skip the bus stop for no reason

housing in here is so expensive, no one could afford it with low income
eventhrough in hk, how could you afford getting a house with low income

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2010-4-29 11:48

本帖最後由布小熊於 2010-4-29 11:50 編輯

回復 34# godavid
A lot of ppl go to work here using public transit. Some even bike to work. It's really not that bad. If you only need a car for the weekend or special days for trips/shopping, you can try use services like Zip car or co-op (Co-operative Auto Network).
Our transit is not great but I think it's improving. After the olympic, I actually use transit a lot more. (weekend or weekday to DT)

I don't understand your "housing statement"... do you mean it's expensive here and it's expensive in HK???

I don't really care about shopping late at night (@ @ after 9 pm... really) and I am happy cooking at home and enjoying the great air and outdoor here. But may be you care about late night shopping and don't care about air and outdoor. well... I guess different ppl have different needs.
Btw, it's such a nice day today with clear blue sky outside!

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-29 11:55

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作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-29 12:03

IHowever do not forget, the reason for the housing price is so high now. The real estate prices are so high because those new immigrants or visitors from China "fried" the price.
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-4-29 07:32

While that same situation is happening both in HK and in Vancouver (actually, it's happening all over the world), don't forget that in HK, things are much, much worse. The SAR government is ging pro big developers. They are the very people who have drafted and passed policies (land, administrative, etc.) that are completely biased towards the few big developers. At least this sort of situation doesn't happening in Vancouver.

Additionally, the ease of which Mainland millionaires can divert their funds towards investment (including real estates) in HK is significantly easier than them sending it overseas.

No matter how you slice it, the home-owning situation is a lot more dire in HK than it is here in Vancouver.

-Lik

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-29 12:09

For the daily commute situation, a car isn't absolutely necessary here in Vancouver. Half of my team at work commute by public transit (skytrain+bus). A coworker gets dropped off by her husband as they are a single vehicle family. Of course, the location of your workplace dictates how feasible this is, but it is entirely possible for many families to have only a single car, or have no cars at all. In those cases, it is usually a matter of convenience.

As I was saying earlier, if you think you'll prefer HK over Vancouver, by all means, go and return to HK. But don't necessarily expect that you'll like HK better because in many ways, it isn't.

-Lik

作者: godavid 時間: 2010-4-29 12:31

thanks you lik for your suggestion
does anyone working hk right now?

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-29 12:57

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作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-29 13:07

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-29 13:10 編輯

While that same situation is happening both in HK and in Vancouver (actually, it's happening all ov ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-29 12:03

The situation is Hong Kong is totally different. Since most people live in highrises, and only big land developers can afford to buy a piece of land for building. It gives people the impression that the big developers control the market.
Here in Vancouver, you can buy a piece of land and build your own house, if you can afford.

In Hong Kong, the government provides public housing. Here, the government does not care and social housing is being cut again at the Olympics village.
Here the government only cares to increase the taxes, while cutting social housing, and cutting the number of school days for the students.

In Hong Kong, the government actually reduces the property taxes for apartment owners during the financial crisis.
Hong Kong government has already increased the supply of land for building apartments to deal with the demand.
Here the government does nothing to deal with high real estate prices.

Also, Hong Kong government has no debt, while the Canadian government has tons of debt at all levels, and even the school boards are in debt. Chances they are going to be like Greece, i.e. go bankrupt.

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-4-29 13:09

回復 41# mukmuk2

you ask LYK to trust u and not listening to u ?
I know Lik gor is a prof, but how bout others?
can they trust me?

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-4-29 13:09

I'm an alien

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-29 13:12

I do agree that Hong Kong or Asian countries have better public transportation system than Vancou ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-4-29 07:32

What you said is not true. There are immigrants from all over the world, not only from China.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-29 13:15

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作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-29 13:29

The situation is Hong Kong is totally different. Since most people live in highrises, and only big land developers can afford to buy a piece of land for building. It gives people the impression that the big developers control the market.
Here in Vancouver, you can buy a piece of land and build your own house, if you can afford.
peter236 發表於 2010-4-29 13:07

Gesh... if you don't know squat, shut your trap and don't mislead other people la. After 老懵懂 destroyed the housing market with his 85000 housing policy, the HKSAR government has suspended building new public housing. On top of that, the government completely controls the amount of "new" land that is available to developers, and they have been intentionally keeping the supply low to maintain high real estate property prices.
At this point, even some of the property developers are realizing that the trend of no affordable / public housing is doomed to fail. At least one of the developers (don't remember which one, but it might be 新鴻基) have suggested the SAR government to re-start the building of public housing projects.

The harsh reality is, a typical working-class person in Vancouver can still afford to buy real estate property, although chances are, the unit will be a smaller apartment / condo / townhouse that is a little further away from the city centers. This is clearly reflected in the robust housing market that we've seen since Q1 of 2009. On the other hand, a typical working class person in HK has very little chance of buying themselves a flat because prices are sky high.

-Lik

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-29 13:33

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作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-29 13:53

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-29 14:13 編輯

Gesh... if you don't know squat, shut your trap and don't mislead other people la. After 老懵懂 des ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-29 13:29

You moron, the 85000 housing policy has nothing to do with the housing prices. There never was a supply of 85000 units.
It was the Asian financial crisis that cause the British-created housing bubble prices to crumble back then.

It is funny that morons like you blamed the government for low prices back then, and now you are blaming the government for high prices.
The HK government needs to control the amount of "new" land that is available to developers, so that the prices can be maintained and even go up steadily. Isn't that what you want? You people who complained about falling prices and negative equity back then.

But, the supply of land in HK is not totally controlled by the government. There have been many private sales of private land for redevelopment of certain areas.

Which country's government does not control the amount of "new" land? Why doesn't the Canadian government release more new land for building?

Today, in the US 20% of their mortgages are negative equity. That means the property are worth less than the amount owed to the banks. Back then in HK, only 3% of mortgages were negative equity.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-4-29 14:05

pop pop pop!

Pop Pop Pop ..

Corn ...

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作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-4-29 14:52

Anyway ..

The answer is simple, if someone wants to go back to HK, just go .. try it out, if he likes HK, stay there, if not, move back law.. no big deal ..

If someone doesn't want to go, then stay.

Simple!

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-29 15:12

You moron, the 85000 housing policy has nothing to do with the housing prices. There never was a s ...
peter236 發表於 2010-4-29 13:53

Stupxd, at least do some research before you yap la~

http://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-hk/八萬五建屋計劃

據統計，香港樓價在1997年10月19日的最高峰後的一年間下跌了一半，其後在1999年反彈兩成，但隨着八萬五時期所興建的樓宇陸續落成，加上種種因素，樓價在其後3年多再下跌超過40%，在2003年8月24日跌至谷底。在這5年10個月，香港樓價下跌70%。

Every HK person knows this.

There is nothing wrong with the government controlling the amount of new land coming into the market, but the extent to which the the SAR government goes about doing this is simply unreal. Since the housing market crash in the late 90's/early 2000's, the SAR government has been scared out of its shell for any additional real estate downward trends. The resulting policy is to severely restrict the sale of new land to developers in both auctions and private bidding. With an extremely limited supply, prices have consistently shot up, especially in the face of Chinese hot money flowing down south.

You must be blind if you think the local governments haven't been issuing new land for re-zoning or development. Where do you think all the condos in various areas in Richmond come from in the last few years? And in Burnaby? Coquitlam? It's funny how ridiculous your lies are because they are so blatantly false.

Of course, you have no sense of credibility to begin with, so you really have nothing to lose.

Please feel free to continue entertain us with your "facts"~

-Lik

p.s. Contrary to what Maximus says, I am not a prof la. Just an average person with a bit of common sense.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-4-29 15:19

Aiya ..

I used to read mr. Moron post for laugh, when I am bored ....

But now ..  too long la..  no "sum gay" to read or laugh la...

COME ON!! the only reason mr. moron is making those kind of non sense reply, is making us laugh ..  don't make it too complicated la....

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-29 15:24

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-29 15:30 編輯

Stupxd, at least do some research before you yap la~

Every HK person knows this.

There is nothi ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-29 15:12

You moron, your lies about Hong Kong is so blatant. You blamed HK government for low prices back then and now you blame them for high prices, LOL.

Uncle Tung said the 85000 policy was abolished, so there never was 85000 supply on the market. The whole of Hong Kong knows about this, but many coward dare not admit it because they wanted to blame the government. It was the Asian financial crisis that caused the prices to fall.
Now the prices have already gone up a lot, which is what people wanted to see after the Asian financial crisis, the HK government has already released more lands to the developers. There are many sale of private lands in the market forredeelopment. But the demand is so strong due to the strong economy.

Here, the government is cutting social housing at the Olympics village.

作者: godavid 時間: 2010-4-29 15:52

who is the moron here?muk?

作者: godavid 時間: 2010-4-29 15:55

alien, when are you going to invade earth?

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作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-4-29 17:25

I do agree. It's too long and boring to read. He is just twisting facts like a true moron.
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-4-29 17:18

What do u mean "LIKE" a moron?

"like" ??

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作者: godavid 時間: 2010-4-29 18:10

What do u mean "LIKE" a moron?

"like" ??
Catpiano 發表於 2010-4-29 17:25

i have no idea what is that kid saying

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作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-4-29 19:25

david = tiffant??

作者: tofu 時間: 2010-4-29 19:33

yes, you can buy an apartment in the New Territories for about HK$1,500,000, but you don't own the land and the apartment probably last for 30-40years. if you buy an apartment house in surrey, it costs the same, but at least you own the land.

you tried to compare our olympic village to public housing in hk, what a job, remember what 新鴻基 said, "the size and quality of these apartments are not good enough for human to live"

our public transit is not as good as hk, since our population density is much less, in the other way, we have more space here.

if 85000 is not the issue, why they stop this policy?
they stop selling public housing for a long time, and just recently restart to sell the rest that built years ago. they stop number of policies that help middle class to purchase their own home.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-29 19:52

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作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-4-29 20:28

aiya .. I missed that ..

what is 85000 issue?

作者: godavid 時間: 2010-4-29 20:56

catpiano, i don't get it

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作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-4-30 07:23

Well, I didn't reall all 8 pages .. ( who does? )

So, what does $85000 mean?? special meaning??

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作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-30 22:19

yes, you can buy an apartment in the New Territories for about HK$1,500,000, but you don't own the l ...
tofu 發表於 2010-4-29 19:33

I am not talking about the quality of the apartments at the Olympics village. I am talking about the availability of social housing here. They cut the amount of social housing at the Olympics village.
In Hong Kong, they are increasing public housing.

Here, they charge you a lot of tax and HST, still the governments are in debt and the school boards have deficit so they need to reduce the number of school days.

作者: tofu 時間: 2010-4-30 22:38

hk is not increasing public housing.  they are start to rebuild the public housing.  and our high quality public housing program was never been stopped.

people pay much less tax in hk and they enjoy close to none benefit as well.  pay for pre school programs, pay for books, almost 50 people in each class, limited seats for special needed students.  no free hot lunch.  senior needs to pay full price for mtr.  high medical expense.  like a joke ui, welfare & senior supplement.  teacher responsible for selling lunch package.  and more.  there is no free lunch, if you want to enjoy the benefits, you need to pay too.

you are not talking about the quality of the public housings, but i am.  why don't we compare the completed finish apartment which include the basic electric to the unfinished apartment in hk.

作者: yayaya 時間: 2010-4-30 23:02

"if you want to dine out in vancouver, you have to be rich"

i dine out twice a day, approximately $1000 per month, but i m not rich at all..

作者: yayaya 時間: 2010-4-30 23:03

stay in the place where you can earn your living and gives you a better life

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-30 23:04

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-30 23:06 編輯

hk is not increasing public housing. they are start to rebuild the public housing. and our high qu ...
tofu 發表於 2010-4-30 22:38

wow, I can't believe you mixed up 公屋 and 居屋 in Hong Kong.

Here, how does the government pay for all these benefits? By borrowing money of course. Debt at all levels of government. Sooner or later here will be like Greece, Japan and some other European countries, i.e go bankrupt.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-5-1 06:55

"if you want to dine out in vancouver, you have to be rich"

i dine out twice a day, approximately $ ...
yayaya 發表於 2010-4-30 23:02

dine out twice a day? u need to hv dinner twice? And still keep legs long and slim?

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-5-1 08:03

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作者: Nam 時間: 2010-5-1 08:43

I have been struggling about moving back to Asia or staying in Vancouver.
My recent conclusion is .....

True, I dun like the government and working style here yet, I don't think moving back to Asia can give me the same salary and benefit. Perhaps, longer hours too?

I did talk to different friends who are currently in Taiwan, Hong Kong and China and some new immigrant from China as well. Yes, at a glaze, I'm just like you, I got fed up with all the issues in Canada; but compare to China. We are really lucky to live in Canada.

Let me share a story with you....this is from one of my friend who just immigrated to Canada for a year or so....

話說佢個朋友（女仔）老豆心臟病發.....

醫生問佢，你老豆依家好危險，你可以選擇幫佢做通波仔，或者打針，但通波仔要六萬，你有無錢（唔係問佢做唔做）！個女仔當然無錢啦，咁就問醫生打針會點? 個醫生話打針的話，佢隨時會死！咁我朋友就即刻幫個朋友，call晒同行，賣晒啲investment 幫佢酬錢！

俾錢後，過咗一陣，個醫生又出嚟問，我依駕要放條管入去，一條係中國製要三萬，另一條係日本製，要六萬，你要邊條?我個朋友唔等個女仔答，即刻話要日本製！

經過依件事後，我朋友係國內好心淡，覺得人命原來係大陸咁兒戲，毅然放棄係大陸嘅高薪厚職，寧願嚟溫哥華，又做teller 做起，從頭嚟過！

作者: Nam 時間: 2010-5-1 08:53

當然你可以話香港無大陸咁差，但係香港嘅朋友，所謂勞得叫做風山水起啲嘅，standard 工作時間係到兩三點（有啲仲係女仔添）

做銀行嘅亦唔係表面咁風光，經過雷萬單野係，香港人投資小心咗好多，啲老板日日追數，朝早晨早返工，放工食完飯（同女友一齊食就當拍拖），十點半到就大吓波，咁返屋企執吓野，就已經12點一點，佢仲要住係機場個邊，晨早又要爬起身返工！

最近聽佢講又升職但係人工無變，變嘅只係工作量同個title.....

聽完咁多意見，望吓自己係加拿大嘅生活，其實，我哋真係算幸幅！雖然出嚟社會頭幾年搏得幾辛苦，但依架都總算叫做挨出頭來，叫做份工穩定，唔洗再OT，日日準時放工！

雖然話係溫哥華，我只可以買得起condo 或 apartment, 但係喺亞洲唔通我又買得起獨立屋?

車方面係唔平，但係喺香港交通咪又貴！
如果真係要回流，我反而會考慮澳門，唔會係香港！
澳門反而會有得執，香港個市場真係飽和晒，好多朋友話就話係香港，但長期都要靠祖國接濟，成日都要北上工作！

作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2010-5-1 09:30

本帖最後由 habitrailspace 於 2010-5-1 09:31 編輯

r u sure "考慮澳門"
mostly 無煙工業

作者: yayaya 時間: 2010-5-1 11:23

dine out twice a day? u need to hv dinner twice? And still keep legs long and slim?

...
Catpiano 發表於 2010-5-1 06:55

你可以理解为两餐晚餐既，因为我很多时候一天下来第一次吃东西在9pm，第二次通常是12点以后了，早上太忙吃水的时间都无

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-5-1 13:44

你可以理解为两餐晚餐既，因为我很多时候一天下来第一次吃东西在9pm，第二次通常是12点以后了，早上太忙 ...
yayaya 發表於 2010-5-1 11:23

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-1 14:18

你可以理解为两餐晚餐既，因为我很多时候一天下来第一次吃东西在9pm，第二次通常是12点以后了，早上太忙 ...
yayaya 發表於 2010-5-1 11:23

You should have a breakfast, which is good for health.

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-5-1 14:35

你可以理解为两餐晚餐既，因为我很多时候一天下来第一次吃东西在9pm，第二次通常是12点以后了，早上太忙吃水的时间都无
yayaya 發表於 2010-5-1 11:23

後生女依家就仲可以任性一吓，但過多幾年你就知味道㗎啦。到時搞壞咗身體先後悔就太遲囉。

不過，以力伯嘅經驗來睇，啲後生仔女都係撞咗板先至知衰㗎喇... 老人家嘅說話，你聽得入耳就聽，聽唔入耳就罷啦～

-力

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-1 14:40

回復 78# peter236

Why you are still staying in Canada then????

作者: yayaya 時間: 2010-5-1 15:23

後生女依家就仲可以任性一吓，但過多幾年你就知味道㗎啦。到時搞壞咗身體先後悔就太遲囉。

不過，以力伯 ...
Lik 發表於 2010-5-1 14:35

我情愿死早几年都好过一辈子过自己不喜欢的生活

作者: yayaya 時間: 2010-5-1 15:25

You should have a breakfast, which is good for health.
peter236 發表於 2010-5-1 14:18

没想到Lyk这么多人关心我。。。真是感动 T_T

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-1 15:37

没想到Lyk这么多人关心我。。。真是感动 T_T
yayaya 發表於 2010-5-1 15:25

I'm always here for you

作者: yayaya 時間: 2010-5-1 17:28

I'm always here for you
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-1 15:37

MAXIMUS (UID: 4009)
性別: 女

我不是同性恋者

作者: godavid 時間: 2010-5-1 17:41

後生女依家就仲可以任性一吓，但過多幾年你就知味道㗎啦。到時搞壞咗身體先後悔就太遲囉。

不過，以力伯 ...
Lik 發表於 2010-5-1 14:35

ya, you are right, so, how do you comment on my situation?

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-1 17:47

回復 92# yayaya

I'm AC/DC

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-5-1 17:50

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作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-5-1 17:51

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作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-1 17:57

回復 95# mukmuk2

Just like Rocky and Pee-teer,
Keep whining and never dare to quit

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-5-1 17:58

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作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-1 18:02

tiffiant is persistent too and biggest whiner of the world. if he does not like here, just got his ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-5-1 17:58

Agreed

作者: godavid 時間: 2010-5-1 18:06

i don; tneeed to know more tiffiant
why bother talking imagination??

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