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標題: 挪亞方舟殘骸被指造假 影音使團反駁前拍檔 [打印本頁]

作者: bubble    時間: 2010-5-1 10:04     標題: 挪亞方舟殘骸被指造假 影音使團反駁前拍檔

影音使團與土耳其合作組成的「方舟探索隊」,早前稱進入土耳其亞拉臘山,找到懷疑挪亞方舟殘骸。不過,這項「發現」遭兩方夾攻,美國宗教大學Liberty University教授Randall Price最近發電郵給學生,表示曾參與探索過程,指整個「發現」都是偽造,木材實際是由黑海附近運到亞拉臘山。另一邊廂,土耳其文化旅遊部長表示會調查為何該國有官員未經批准便到香港召開「方舟」記者會。

影音使團反駁,Randall沒到過亞拉臘山方舟遺骸處,不知他有什麼證據,對指控感困惑,強調稍後會發聲明回應。

Randall是Liberty University的人類學權威學者,多年來努力找尋《聖經》中的挪亞方舟。昨日互聯網上多個考古網站和網址均引述Randall的電郵,指有關發現是偽造(this is all reported to be a fake)。電郵指出,遺骸內部的相片全是在黑海某地拍攝,但中國人探索隊所拍的影片則的確在亞拉臘山錄影。他解釋,08年夏天有10名庫爾德人告訴他,一名中國人委聘的嚮導,聘請他們把黑海附近的木樑搬到亞拉臘山山洞,及至09年夏天,有更多的木材搬進山洞,其後中國人探索隊進入該山洞並錄影。

稱有搬運木材證據

教授質疑,那些所謂方舟結構的相片可見到蜘蛛網,但在亞拉臘山4000米以上環境不可能存在。電郵透露,他的庫爾德拍檔手上有證據,包括黑海附近木材地點、搬運木材的人及運送的車輛。他透露,自己曾於08年給予探索隊10萬美元(78萬港元),其後要求他們退回,但對方沒答應。

Randall Price其後發表聲明,承認他曾發出這私人電郵,但無意公開,並稱這是他取得有關資料後的意見,現階段只能說需要更多證據去證明這是真的方舟,並讓科學家和學者比較分析。他亦有參與另一團體的挪亞方舟搜尋活動。

對於Randall的指控,影音使團市務及拓展高級經理關倩華承認,對方在08年曾參與這次探索行動,但合作只維持不到一個月。她說,不知道他掌握什麼證據,感到困惑,強調對方沒有到過亞拉臘山「方舟」遺骸所在的地方。對於搬運木材的指控,關倩華表示詢問過土耳其,官員稱這絕對沒可能發生,因為該處是嚴格監控地方,而且地勢危險。

土耳其﹕官員未獲批赴港開會

另外,法新社引述土耳其文化旅遊部長稱,要調查為何有官員未經許可在4月25日到香港出席「方舟」記者會,以及為何那些木材會運到中國。土耳其亞勒省副省長、文化局長及杜古拜亞斯市政務司長等官員早前到港出席記者會。
http://www.mingpaovan.com/htm/News/20100501/HK-gbb1.htm
作者: ricrick    時間: 2010-5-1 11:58

so....?
作者: zoids    時間: 2010-5-1 12:12

Turkey is #4 on top 10 most corrupted country.  http://www.businessinsider.com/1 ... -2009-11#4-turkey-8

I am not surprised, this is not the first time HK christians claimed they found Noah's Ark either.
作者: Catpiano    時間: 2010-5-1 13:42

I do respect them to spend so much time and money to find the Ark ..

However, I don't think it does matter, I don't need to see the Ark, and I believe it.

The story behind Noah ...  is believe.
作者: MAXIMUS    時間: 2010-5-1 15:38

回復 4# Catpiano


    The story repeat many times
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2010-5-1 20:02

I do respect them to spend so much time and money to find the Ark ..

However, I don't think it doe ...
Catpiano 發表於 2010-5-2 05:42

CP, 你完全講出左小弟心中既想法~
作者: Catpiano    時間: 2010-5-1 20:08

Yeah ..  I won't against people trying to find the ark ..  however, say few pieces of few thousand year old wood, could be really from the Ark, could be from other boat .. ( but weird to have a boat on top of a mountain) For believers, they don't need extra few pieces of wood or even the whole boat to believe in God, or believe in Noal Ark did exist.

I never touch or meet Jesus in person, but I believe in Him, and know who He is, as I never met my grand grand parents ...  and I am sure I have grand grand parents ..
作者: ecwkwok    時間: 2010-5-2 07:15

與其浪費咁多人力物力去搵隻舊船, 不如將d錢同時間去幫助下d有需要既人罷啦...
老實講, 清醒D既人都知道, 咁細隻船仔, 係裝唔晒世上所有生物既品種同所需糧食; 覺得呢班人將一個導人向善既宗教變到好似邪教咁...
如果話要搵隻方舟出來證明曾經有滅世洪水, 從而證明上帝存在; 咁中國人係咪要搵番女媧舊五色彩石出來證明其實係中國人停左呢場洪水, 救左挪亞一家同全世界, 等佢地唔駛比佢地既上帝餓死/浸死呢?
作者: shutterbug    時間: 2010-5-2 23:21

Do you guys know how big is the ark?  How did you know that it can't fit the animals?  Haha...you better go do some research about how big it is first.  It's pretty big you know!  Also, it only needs to carry land and animals in the sky.  Their average size is not that large.  Plus, only the major "kinds" need to be kept.  The flood didn't last long, so storing food wasn't that big of a deal.
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-5-3 00:05

你地..........唔撚真係信有下嘩.........?????
作者: Nox    時間: 2010-5-3 01:02

I'm wondering about the motive behind all of these
作者: ecwkwok    時間: 2010-5-3 01:22

  Do you guys know how big is the ark?  How did you know that it can't fit the animals?  Haha...you better go do some research about how big it is first.  It's pretty big you know!  Also, it only needs to carry land and animals in the sky.  Their average size is not that large.  Plus, only the major "kinds" need to be kept.  The flood didn't last long, so storing food wasn't that big of a deal.


o係香港馬灣(帕麗灣), 有個號稱依照聖經所述size興建o既挪亞方舟展覽館...在下曾到此一遊, 所以知道大概size...
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邊個無做research?
作者: shutterbug    時間: 2010-5-3 09:18

Have you walked around the whole thing when it's empty?  If not, then how do you get a feel of how big it is?  Have your calculated it's actual volume?  The ark is 135m long, 22.5m wide and 13.5m high.  How big is an average size animal?  Do your math.

The fact that you've been to the p(ark) doesn't mean much without doing the math.
作者: sheep    時間: 2010-5-3 09:26

Have you walked around the whole thing when it's empty?  If not, then how do you get a feel of how b ...
shutterbug 發表於 2010-5-3 09:18



   有冇碌架床?
會唔會被告虐待
可能船底又有個網 有不同海鮮?
作者: eddie    時間: 2010-5-3 12:17

回復 13# shutterbug
You can't just base on your calculation by the volume to fit all animal inside, you can't stack them up, there have to space between them.
How many different kind/type of animal on Earth?
作者: shutterbug    時間: 2010-5-3 13:21

You can't physically stack them but you can build shelfs/dividers/cages/etc, and you can stack those right?  Of course you're not going to stack elephants but you can stack dogs and cats right?

I don't know the exactly number of kinds of air-breathe land animals, insects and birds, which are the only animals that needed to go on the ark, but I'm guessing no more than 50,000 individual animals.  Just a guess, correct me if I'm wrong.   These animals could be younger so their sizes can even be smaller.  Insects and birds are small in size to start with.  

The word "kind" is unclear whether it means a very specific species or a group of similar species, or somewhere in between.  IMO, I don't think the size of the ark is a problem.  The big challenge is how to feed them and keep them clean.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2010-5-3 17:23

話唔定有支"叮噹放大縮小電筒", d 動物入去之前就照一照佢地, 等佢地變細隻d; 出去既時候又照一照佢地, 等佢地還原!

講笑乍, 不喜勿插~
作者: Catpiano    時間: 2010-5-3 17:31

I dont think Noah needed to put "FISHES" into the arh .. but animal from LAND ...

Also .. we are talking ~ 6000 yr ago ..
作者: sheep    時間: 2010-5-3 20:30

回復 18# Catpiano


   恕我孤陋寡聞
乜挪亞方舟有六千年咁耐?
作者: Catpiano    時間: 2010-5-5 16:29

Oh .. sorry .. Noah Arh .. should be close to 5000 yr ago ..  I was thinking about Adam/Eve ...
作者: Sakura    時間: 2010-5-10 23:50

本帖最後由 Sakura 於 2010-5-10 23:51 編輯

回復 12# ecwkwok

o係香港馬灣(帕麗灣), 有個號稱依照聖經所述size興建o既挪亞方舟展覽館...在下曾到此一遊, 所以知道大概size...

I hope u get wut I mean...
作者: superberry    時間: 2010-5-11 01:19

本帖最後由 superberry 於 2010-5-11 01:25 編輯

挪亞方舟公園我都去過. 我個人覺得, 沒有辦法證明果舊爛木係咪真係方舟. 幾千年的爛木, 返大陸大把啦! 如果你信有神, 就自然相信聖經, 相信有方舟. 如果唔信咪無囉.............. 至於點樣塞晒D動物入去, 就真係要祈禱問神啦 (或者解經家 or 牧者可以答到, 但我無甘勁), 所以, 只可以 Quote 方舟的經文, 大家自行判斷啦!

6:12           神觀看世界,見是敗壞了;凡有血氣的人,在地上都敗壞了行為。
6:13         神就對挪亞說:“凡有血氣的人,他的盡頭已經來到我面前,因為地上滿了他們的強暴,我要把他們和地一併毀滅。
6:14         你要用歌斐木造一隻方舟,分一間一間地造,裡外抹上松香。
6:15         方舟的造法乃是這樣:要長三百肘,寬五十肘,高三十肘。
6:16         方舟上邊要留透光處,高一肘。方舟的門要開在旁邊。方舟要分上、中、下三層。
6:17         看哪,我要使洪水氾濫在地上,毀滅天下,凡地上有血肉、有氣息的活物,無一不死。
6:18         我卻要與你立約,你同你的妻與兒子、兒婦,都要進入方舟。
6:19         凡有血肉的活物,每樣兩個,一公一母,你要帶進方舟,好在你那裡保全生命。
6:20         飛鳥各從其類,牲畜各從其類,地上的昆蟲各從其類,每樣兩個,要到你那裡,好保全生命。
6:21         你要拿各樣食物積蓄起來,好作你和牠們的食物。”
6:22         挪亞就這樣行。凡 神所吩咐的,他都照樣行了。


另一個角度的方舟, 四層樓高 (無記錯的話), 但我只可以影到 3/4 的長度





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