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標題: 補選投票率17.1% 學者稱公、社兩黨最初目標太高 [打印本頁]
作者: soli    時間: 2010-5-16 08:36     標題: 補選投票率17.1% 學者稱公、社兩黨最初目標太高

補 選 投 票 率 17.1% 　 學 者 稱 公 、 社 兩 黨 最 初 目 標 太 高         
2010-05-17 HKT 00:14
黃佩珊報道

立 法 會 補 選 結 束 ， 全 日 共 有 約 57 萬 9 千 人 投 票 ， 總 投 票 率 17.1% ， 較 08 年 立 法 會 選 舉 45% 的 總 投 票 率 ， 少 28 個 百 分 點 。

在 投 票 人 數 方 面 ， 今 次 補 選 亦 較 08 年 的 152 萬 人 少 很 多 。

有 學 者 認 為 ， 公 民 黨 及 社 民 連 最 初 訂 出 變 相 公 投 的 目 標 太 高 ， 最 終 投 票 率 偏 低 ， 難 免 與 公 眾 期 望 有 落 差 。
http://www.rthk.org.hk/rthk/news ... 00517_55_668668.htm
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真係可憐~  
作者: soli    時間: 2010-5-16 08:45

譚耀宗：市民不認同公投
2010-05-16 23:38:00

民建聯主席譚耀宗在補選結束後表示，今次補選是浪費公帑，希望不要再見到類似的辭職活動。

他表示，希望泛民議員理性，支持政改方案。今次投票率低，反映出多數市民和部分泛民支持者，都不認同變相「公投」。
http://news.sina.com.hk/cgi-bin/nw/show.cgi/32/1/1/1518317/1.html
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講得有道理~
作者: sheep    時間: 2010-5-16 08:52

你吹咩
玩完嗰班豬八戒之後
咪又入番去立法會
有本事 就唔同佢哋宣誓 唔比佢哋就職
同佢哋宣誓 就係認同係補選
就唔應該唔參與
作者: Lik    時間: 2010-5-16 09:42

今次公投成個過程，中央嘅定性、賤狗特衰政府嘅全天候打壓同阻撓，又有邊個睇唔到？

有 58萬選民出來投票，而支持公投議案嘅比例響五區都極高，特衰政府同班保皇狗又點樣面對呢班選民？

-力
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-5-16 09:46

輸左就係輸左..
不過個過程的確係一個好好既照妖鏡！
曾陰拳係世界上第一個唔參與合法選舉既地方首長，破紀錄!
周顯鳩噏～～
民主黨2012會失好多票。
作者: Lik    時間: 2010-5-16 10:07

梅佬，人數方面的確係俾預期有所不及，但話晒個投票人數都儸返足泛民個基本盤，而當你考慮埋民主黨班大哥一直不斷唱反調、泛民嘅鬼卒所做嘅小動作、同個特衰政府賤招用盡嘅時候，淨係個照妖鏡效果本身已經係一個勝利。

-力
作者: soli    時間: 2010-5-16 10:50

今次補選﹐係揭左泛民底牌。
很多香港人支持泛民其實只因為對政府/社會不滿﹐未必是對政制不滿。
而真正認同泛民既人其實只佔少數。
呢次補選將只對政府/社會不滿的選民抽起﹐剩下認同泛民既同對政制不滿既人﹐就只區區17%。
公民黨同顛狗黨耗盡政治資本﹐不惜被冠上浪費公帑罪名來發動呢次補選﹐結果只係免費給建制派做了一次龐大精確既民意調查﹐對本身和對香港民主發展毫無好處。
作者: sheep    時間: 2010-5-16 10:54

立法會補選，5名辭職議員候選人均順利以高票當選，其中3區得票逾10萬票，包括港島、新界東及新界西。
九龍西社民連候選人黃毓民以60395得勝，再度當選。白韻(白韻琴)以16640票排第二，林依麗得1069票，張錦雄得1869票，黃永志得3429票，郭兆明得91票，佘繼泉得2517票，蔣世昌得3109票。

新界東社民連候選人梁國雄(長毛)以108927票，順利勝出，再當選立法會議員。大專2012的周澄以17260票，陳國強得7310票，胡世全得2783票。

新界西社民連候選人陳偉業以109609票，再度當選。李桂芳得12555票排第二，郭永健得6192票，鄒秉恬得3276票，李世鴻得2475票。

九龍東公民黨梁家傑以82066票勝出，再度當選。大專2012的黎敬輝得6630票。

港島公民黨候選人陳淑莊以103564票，再度當選。戴卓賢以3144票排第二，梁永浩以2715票排第三，李振雄得1542票，黃興得799票。
作者: sheep    時間: 2010-5-16 10:58

結果只係免費給建制派做了一次龐大精確既民意調查﹐對本身和對香港民主發展毫無好處
soli 發表於 2010-5-16 10:50



   就憑你呢一句
就狐狸露出尾巴
共產黨就係唔想俾你香港有絲毫民主進度
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-5-16 11:30

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-5-16 11:37 編輯
梅佬，人數方面的確係俾預期有所不及，但話晒個投票人數都儸返足泛民個基本盤，而當你考慮埋民主黨班大哥一 ...
Lik 發表於 2010-5-16 10:07


What is the value of democratic political system? Shouldn’t the 立法委員represent people in the government? Shouldn’t they do their job according to the will of the people they represent instead for their own political agenda?

Could you tell me why should they 堅持推動五區補選 when majority of Hong Kong people disagree with their 激進行為 and wasting tax payers’ money?

65%人反對花公帑補選
(星島)2010年5月16日 星期日 05:30 (綜合報道)

(星島日報    報道)立法會補選今日舉行，香港青年會在補選前夕就政改及補選問題訪問了五百名市民，結果發現八成受訪者表示有留意最近政府及補選的新聞。而對於花費近一點五億的補選「變相公投」，六成五受訪者表示不認同，更有五成一表明今日不會去投票。

　　調查結果顯示，五成受訪者同意增加功能組別及民選議席各五席，五成八人同意下屆特首選舉    選委會人數增加四百人至一千二百人，以擴大其代表性。而對於香港政制發展，四成三受訪者認為本港應循序漸進邁向民主，兩成六則認為應遵從有社會共識的改革。

　　香港青年會認為，調查顯示大部分市民均支持減少社會爭拗，以循序漸進的政制發展原則，盡快就政改達成共識並通過政改方案。而大部分受訪者支持增加立法會議席及特首選委會名單，可見市民認為功能組別會以較專業角度或社會整體利益去表態，而過去多年的政制爭拗及政黨對立，只有激發社會內部矛盾，不但虛耗社會資源，最終亦只會令政制發展停滯不前。
作者: zoids    時間: 2010-5-16 11:41

Soli was right, this election showed the full hand of the hk democratic party, 17%.

HK will never get real fair election ever.  The card is out, and it's not even a face card.

Sad but true.  HK is already dead.
作者: ricrick    時間: 2010-5-16 11:50

在特狗政府、民主黨、建制派及主流傳媒打壓的嚴峻考驗下，都有57萬9千人投票，平均有十萬票不能少看
經過今次選舉，帶起了一班年輕人對政治的興趣，帶出政府及建制派的無恥，遲下D牛鬼蛇神一定要還
作者: Lik    時間: 2010-5-16 12:00

What is the value of democratic political system? Shouldn’t the 立法委員represent people in the government? Shouldn’t they do their job according to the will of the people they represent instead for their own political agenda?
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-16 11:30

Funny how you dare to mention "the value of a democratic political system". Given all the oppression and dirty tactics that the Establishment and the HK SAR PK government has used, how is the system even democratic?!

With a complete lack of mainstream media reporting and fair promotion from the HK SAR PK government, the 580k voters turnout is extremely robust.

-Lik
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-5-16 12:04

Funny how you dare to mention "the value of a democratic political system". Given all the oppressio ...
Lik 發表於 2010-5-16 12:00


Just answer my question direct and straight. Why didn't the 立法委員 do according to the will of Hong Kong people?  65% of people opposed what they do and they just ignore the will of Hong Kong people.
作者: ricrick    時間: 2010-5-16 12:34

在泛民不合作、中共打壓、政府扭曲及主流傳媒不報導的情況下，很多市民跟本得不到應要的知訊
如果你不感興趣都都不會深究問題所在
說真，要廢除功能及落實雙普選，不知要等到何時
作者: Lik    時間: 2010-5-16 12:36

And why don't you answer my question direct and straight for a change? Given all the oppression and dirty tactics that the Establishment and the HK SAR PK government has used in both the de facto referendum and in LegCo, how is the system even democratic?! How is the existence of functional constituency democratic at all?!

Elected council members represent the will of the people. Even according to the so called 65% who are "against" the de facto referendum and new wave democracy movement, that still means a whopping 35% are for it. And I'll bet you anything that the way the stats are collected is biased/skewed towards steering people to produce that 65% result.

And if you want to argue based on numbers and percentages, an overwhelming majority (some 70 or 80%, IIRC?) are for a generally elected HKSAR CEO in 2012, and failing that, no later than 2017. Why does the HK SAR government not comply with the will of the people?!

STFU la, BS rockypath!

-Lik
作者: martintin    時間: 2010-5-16 12:38

本帖最後由 martintin 於 2010-5-16 12:39 編輯

進步是需要時間
新血是需要磨練
民主是需要爭取

佢地犧牲咁多為民主 為自由  卻有人反對
"65%人反對花公帑補選" .呢句標題對我呢講只證明2點
1.香港報紙quality差 常誤導人
2.香港人始終眼裡都只有錢 因為佢地先睇1.5億之後先睇(or無睇)補選的意義

我記得早幾個月前係香港  係街邊見到陳淑莊幾次  不停宣傳公投 、民主 (並唔係拉票活動)
就知道好多香港人唔明佢地做緊乜

公投、 普選如果無人爭取難道真係坐係度乜都唔做等中央政府安排呀
真係唔明
用1.5億去爭取民主  為民主放種子就浪費
真白癡
作者: sheep    時間: 2010-5-16 13:00

本帖最後由 sheep 於 2010-5-16 13:09 編輯
What is the value of democratic political system? Shouldn’t the 立法委員represent people in the g ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-16 11:30


全世界讀統計學嘅都知
所有問卷調查嘅問題
都係為所需要嘅答案而設計的

如果有人問 你應唔應該花超過一億去做補選
應該要有九成以上話唔應該
而無人會問你
會唔會為增加市民嘅認知來爭取民主而花過億去補選？
作者: Catpiano    時間: 2010-5-16 13:19

Um ..   most of my friends .. (70 after) did vote ..   

Well ..
作者: Lik    時間: 2010-5-16 13:41

Kudos to your friends who went out to vote.

-Lik
作者: Catpiano    時間: 2010-5-16 14:45

Kudos to your friends who went out to vote.

-Lik
Lik 發表於 2010-5-16 13:41



    I guess it makes sense ..  for those who are 3X yr old, middle class, do care about HK, and not scare to GRANDPA .. they are not as blind as 80 after .. (or 90 after) and not as Stable/rich/lazy as 50 or 60 after ..

How many people did vote is one thing, WHO voted is another ..
作者: ricrick    時間: 2010-5-16 15:35

睇新聞訪問吾去投票的人，完全都吾明白今次投票的義意，大部份有兩個原因
1.浪費金錢，覺得辭完職又選反玩野
2.無心水後選人

沒人答是反對今次的議題，他們真的完全不知道這次選舉是為了什麼

我覺得其實是個好開始，以長毛為例，上次是四萬多票，今次有十萬票了
比起 0 票的功能組別及特狗，高底立見
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-5-16 15:40

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-5-16 15:42 編輯
And why don't you answer my question direct and straight for a change? Given all the oppression and  ...
Lik 發表於 2010-5-16 12:36


If you are fighting for democracy, should you and 社民連 be the first to 尊重民意?

In my opinion, Hong Kong people did participate in the election and voted against them. 社民連 will proudly announce their victory if the voting rate reach 30%! The Hong Kong people caste their votes against them by not showing up to vote.

This tell them that there are things that are more important and critical to 普羅大眾 and 小市民. I believe every Hong Kong citizen supports the building of democracy. But they also make it very clear that they do not agree on this kind of extreme action and the timing for 雙普選 is not more critical than other issues such as 就業，貧富懸殊，香港競爭力。

You guys has said enough Hong Kong government 強姦民意。So why didn’t you accuse they強姦民意 as well?
作者: ricrick    時間: 2010-5-16 15:50

If you are fighting for democracy, should you and 社民連 be the first to 尊重民意?

In my opinion ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-16 15:40



我想問如果係你，你吾投的原因是什麼？
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-5-16 15:52

我想問如果係你，你吾投的原因是什麼？
ricrick 發表於 2010-5-16 15:50


Can you recall the standard they set for its victory? You should be able to tell the reason why people didn't show up.
作者: tofu    時間: 2010-5-16 17:40

港島區前線警員昨向本報稱，本月初有上級向警區內所有前線同事指，不要在今次選舉為任何候選人拉票，甚至認為無論上班或下班都不應和政治人物「走近」，以免被人利用以為警方支持哪一派別。該警員猜測上級可能受高層指令向前線施壓，但令人極為反感，「唔通我同毓民影過相，係咪要抄家？」他又指警隊內的政治氣氛一年比一年差，「十幾前會叫大家踴躍投票，家畀人感覺好似驚咗我哋會投票咁。」

加入政府 30年的香港郵政局員工會主席葉錦富，昨日一早與兒子葉鈞浩（ 23歲）往投票，履行公民責任。兩父子其後到不同區域為公投宣傳，呼籲街坊投票。葉錦富與工會 10多名成員，在慈雲山為公民黨梁家傑拉票，他說法律賦予公務員投票的權利，所以不擔心投票後會遭上級打壓報復，反而批評特首不投票的做法，「呢啲係公民責任，有選舉就要投票。」派傳單期間，有街坊指罵今次補選是浪費公帑，葉錦富不認同，「投票係表達對政制不滿，唔想社會再有咁多不公平情況。」他指功能組別是「怪胎」，以香港郵政為例，現有 10個工會，均有資格在立法會勞工界議席投票，但最少四票被工聯會操控，「只要有錢，夠七個人就可以搞個工會佔一票，功能組別絕對無認受性。」港九救生員工會總幹事郭紹傑昨日請假，早上 7時起已在大圍派傳單，為社民連梁國雄拉票。他是政府救生員，屬公務員編制，身邊不少政府救生員因曾蔭權的表態而不敢投票，但他坦言早就做了犧牲的準備，「搞工運，係為救生員爭取權益；撐公投，係為下一代爭取民主。」該會一直反對功能組別，在 04年與 08年兩屆立法會選舉中，均公開撕毀勞工界議席的投票通知書。同樣有投票的香港郵政合約員工薛小姐表示，投票是希望本港早日普選，一人一票選特首。
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2010-5-16 18:04

結果只有17%左右既選民投票. 泛民今次得到既總票數, 比08年少左40幾萬.

公投既原意係好既, 比香港人對自己既將來投票. 但就算係以往支持泛民既市民, 今次都得返60% 左右既人出黎投票, 呢點證明左支持泛民既市民都唔會自己決定一d 事. 政治層面上, 香港人一向都係依賴人做野, 好少自己落手落腳去做.

小弟覺得, 以下係一部分泛民支持者既心聲:
"公投自己話事? 唔好喇卦, 我08投左泛民, 就等佢地幫我搞law. 仲乜搞個公投要我自己投woh, 我已經支持佢地去幫我爭取丫麻..."

香港人好簡單, 小事就靠人家做, 大事就會出心出力. 就好似23條, 大家都知係大劑既時候, d 人就會自然出黎, 仲要係好熱血果隻. 可惜呢次"公投"冇辦法挑得起香港人呢一條怪筋.
作者: ricrick    時間: 2010-5-16 18:19

Can you recall the standard they set for its victory? You should be able to tell the reason why pe ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-16 15:52



i want to hear your opinion, not others
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-5-16 18:55

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-5-16 18:57 編輯
i want to hear your opinion, not others
ricrick 發表於 2010-5-16 18:19


Didn’t they say they measure the success of this 公投 by 投票率? The more people come out to vote will mean they get more support and consent from Hong Kong people?

Isn’t it another way of saying – “if you support me, come out and vote; if you do not support me, don’t vote.”?

If I do not support them, why should cast my vote? I voted against them by not showing up to vote. Do I make myself clear?
作者: Lik    時間: 2010-5-16 19:11

Isn’t it another way of saying – “if you support me, come out and vote; if you do not support me, don’t vote.”?

If I do not support them, why should cast my vote? I voted against them by not showing up to vote. Do I make myself clear?
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-16 18:55

Doh~ This clearly shows that you don't know shxt about the democratic process and the responsibility of a citizen.

In a democratic society, it is every citizens' responsibility to vote. You can choose to vote for or against a candidate or whatever political idea he represents, but if you choose to not vote at all, then you are simply abstaining, meaning that you choose not make a stand yourself, and will go along with whatever results that come out. If you are really voting against every candidate in the election, you go and cast an empty ballot (投白票).

When you don't know shxt about democracy and the democratic process, please STFU and don't spread your nonsense around la.

-Lik
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2010-5-16 19:22

Doh~ This clearly shows that you don't know shxt about the democratic process and the responsibilit ...
Lik 發表於 2010-5-17 11:11

老實講, 如果我唔支持佢地既話, 我寧願唔去投票都唔會去投白票, 因為:
1. 投票要花時間, 時間即係金錢, 要我花時間(金錢)去做一d 我根本唔願意去做既野, no way!
2. 投左白票, 容乜易比班"扔蕉黨"扭曲左我既意思, 話我支持公投就弊啦! 你知扔蕉黨班友成日輸打贏要架啦~
3. 呢個show 係佢地搞出黎, 關我叉事, 我仲乜要參與佢地個show?

事出必有因, 低投票率呢個係事實, 我諗泛民真係要檢討一下香港人係唔係真係接受呢一套. 香港人真係好x煩架, 你地加拿大人唔明咁多架喇...
作者: sheep    時間: 2010-5-16 19:43

香港人真係好x煩架, 你地加拿大人唔明咁多架喇
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-5-16 19:22



   香港人係好勢利 走精面
無著數 唔好預佢
要著數 叫得最大聲
企出來 佢會退後一步來跣你
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2010-5-16 20:01

香港人係好勢利 走精面
無著數 唔好預佢
要著數 叫得最大聲
企出來 佢會退後一步來跣你 ...
sheep 發表於 2010-5-17 11:43

加拿大羊, 估唔到你都幾了解香港人架woh~
作者: MAXIMUS    時間: 2010-5-16 20:03

Lamb chop on B.B.Q. nice
作者: sheep    時間: 2010-5-16 20:09

回復 34# MAXIMUS


   加拿大 梗係食牛啦
牛扒好
羊架 要澳洲或者新西蘭嘅好
我唔係
作者: sheep    時間: 2010-5-16 20:11

加拿大羊, 估唔到你都幾了解香港人架woh~
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-5-16 20:01


我都係成日俾人退出來嘅
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2010-5-16 20:15

我都係成日俾人退出來嘅
sheep 發表於 2010-5-17 12:11

你梗係達唔到香港既標準, 所以未成年就比人退左去加拿大呢d 咁既二等國家啦!
(moron mode) 你知啦, 中國而家幾強大呀!
原來係真係冇左你呢d 唔合格既羊o係度阻頭阻勢law~

-- 完全係講緊笑, 自己都係唔合格既MJJ
作者: MAXIMUS    時間: 2010-5-16 20:40

回復 35# sheep

楊炬叔的故事：
有一位仁兄名字叫楊炬，喜歡小孩叫他叔叔；
有 一天小孩們想要他買糖果，就不停叫他楊炬叔,楊炬叔,楊炬叔叔叔叔
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-5-16 21:51

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-5-16 21:59 編輯
Doh~ This clearly shows that you don't know shxt about the democratic process and the responsibilit ...
Lik 發表於 2010-5-16 19:11


The election has been hijacked by taking advantage of the loophole in Hong Kong’s political system. If we go out to vote, it will be wrongfully interpreted as showing support to the action which we do not support.

Therefore, people choose to vote against them by refusing to cast their votes and send them a clear message.

If you want to get a fair support from people, then please respect the will of people instead of  扭曲 the purpose of general election for your own political gains.
作者: Lik    時間: 2010-5-16 22:29

First of all, your logic is completely flawed here, Rocky-BS-dude. The de facto referendum is not a political loophole. In the true spirit of democracy, if you do not support the cause of referendum, you simply vote AGAINST it to shoot it down. If the DAB dogs had the guts to come out, you simply vote for them to veto the referendum. Since the DAB suckers were too chicken to blaze the trials of democracy, the other option would have been to vote for the likes of 白姐姐 or other candidates. And hey, within the rules of the de facto referendum, you even get to kick out the LSD / CP "trouble makers".

And lemme remind you once again, Deng Xiaoping once promised the British government that within the internal affairs of HK, the HKSAR gov had all the freedom to decide for themselves. That was written into the HK Basic Law. The elimination of the functional constituency and the initiation process for a generally elected HKSAR CEO are entirely within the internal affairs of HK as it has no bearings on international matters nor national defence. So lemme ask you, how is that illegal?!

-Lik
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-5-16 22:45

First of all, your logic is completely flawed here, Rocky-BS-dude. The de facto referendum is not a  ...
Lik 發表於 2010-5-16 22:29


Who is BSing here?

Forcing an election which Hong Kong people do not want and do not need, deciding the way and standard of how to interoperate the voting result in your own terms and telling the Hong Kong people – “you must suck it up” is your interpretation of democracy?

Did not the Hong Kong people send a clear message? Sorry to disappoint you. If they force another election again, I believe the turn-out rate will be even worse than this time.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2010-5-16 23:06

First of all, your logic is completely flawed here, Rocky-BS-dude. The de facto referendum is not a political loophole. In the true spirit of democracy, if you do not support the cause of referendum, you simply vote AGAINST it to shoot it down. If the DAB dogs had the guts to come out, you simply vote for them to veto the referendum. Since the DAB suckers were too chicken to blaze the trials of democracy, the other option would have been to vote for the likes of 白姐姐 or other candidates. And hey, within the rules of the de facto referendum, you even get to kick out the LSD / CP "trouble makers".
Lik 發表於 2010-5-17 14:29

Here is exactly what my friend told me:
Friend: "I am against referendum, and I am not going to vote."
I: "Why don't you vote? You can vote for those against referendum."
Friend: "I don't want to vote another shxt... it is damx even thinking of voting to 白姐姐."
I: "Oh..."
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-5-16 23:09

Isn't the functional constituency a political loophole of the parliamentary system???
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2010-5-16 23:13

Isn't the functional constituency a political loophole of the parliamentary system???
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-5-17 15:09

都唔知邊鬼個o係香港倡議埋呢d 咁既功能組別.
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-5-16 23:24

功能組別原來係肥彭整出黎增加民選議席既方法，
點知呢家變成俾人利用做保皇！
作者: Lik    時間: 2010-5-16 23:24

Here is exactly what my friend told me:
Friend: "I am against referendum, and I am not going to vote ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-5-16 23:06

Does your friend even know what the de facto referendum is about? What the issue at hand is? Is he aware that by saying he is against the referendum, he is really saying he supports the existence of functional constituency and that he does not want a generally elected HKSAR CEO as soon as possible?

People who don't know politics really shouldn't pretend that they do...

-Lik
作者: Lik    時間: 2010-5-16 23:30

功能組別原來係肥彭整出黎增加民選議席既方法，
點知呢家變成俾人利用做保皇！ ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-5-16 23:24

咁比例代表制亦係中方當年諗出來去 make sure 親中派政黨一定可以有人入局嘅策略來嘅，但係點知家陣咪邊成益咗社民連呢類政治組織響議會裡面做頂心杉？

-力
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2010-5-16 23:35

Does your friend even know what the de facto referendum is about? What the issue at hand is? Is he  ...
Lik 發表於 2010-5-17 15:24

我只知道佢地一向係泛民既支持者, 對民主有一定程度上既訴求. 不過今次, 佢地都唔滿意社民連同公民黨今次既變相公投. 我quote下佢地既意見比大家參考下:

MJJ and Friends A, B, C:

A: 當今天的投票率偏低時, 泛民議員又是否會重新審視民意,檢討民主的真正意義?

B: 唔會, 佢地只會話比人打壓...

A: 民主的真正意義是包容和尊重民意,一步到位式的民主改革真的對香港有利?議員動輒就辭職迫選民表態,那還選議員幹甚麼?

MJJ: 其實香港人都幾可憐, 今次泛民擺到明係想爭取普選同廢除功能組別, 而d 市民都唔去投票, 唔通香港人真係咁喜歡小圈子選舉嗎?... 唉...

B: 只係睇唔過眼佢地用咁手法迫人投票.... 投左票又可以改變到d咩? 香港係城市, 唔係國家, 唔好搞港獨...

A: 民主本身是好的事情,但是不理會政治現實,硬要一步到位式'的爭取就不是普遍香港人所認同的方法,也非明智的做法.為何不先行出一小步,慢慢地理性地討論和爭取?

MJJ: 我覺得班泛民已經去到一個忍無可忍既地步. 一個又一個律師, 都不計較被人指罵, 就係為左香港既民主, 我覺得佢地絕對係對香港既民主有貢獻.
當然, 出左班掟蕉既議員, 佢地真係好激進, 不過, 對於佢地黎講, 呢d 都只係一個手段, 因為佢地覺得民主派一向施文既作風係唔work, 仲會比人烚. 既然比人烚, 點解唔大聲d, 起碼等d 人知道自己唔係好蝦.

A: 但是如果主流民意是希望循序漸進而泛民議員又視而不見,聽而不聞...那在他們來說民主又是甚麼?既然他們想全香港人表態,那今天我們已經表態了,他們是否仍繼續爭取2012年雙普選?還是可以先協妥一下,帶領香港向前走一步?香港不是只有普選一個問題,有普選也不可以解決所有問題...既然他們是律師,就應該尊重基本法.我從來不覺得誰在烚他們

MJJ: 民意並唔係想乜野循序漸進, 如果真係循序漸進, 點解要搞一個區議會議員既立法會議席? 咁樣同小圈子特首選舉有乜分別? 點睇到係循序漸進呢?
2012 雙普選, 擺到明一定唔work 啦, 班泛民係唔想自己既底線比人越踩越遠, 唔通真係要2047先有普選? 而家既香港政制, 根本就係一個假民主, 就算立法會果30個民選議員通過左d 野, 大部分都過唔到小圈子既功能組別, 好似玩咁...

路人甲: 循序漸進就等於見步行步? 過了2012才傾2017..到時又拖下拖下..2047都唔會有野睇....

A: 再繼續下去,那怕真的要等到2047

路人甲: 哈哈...其實你每天上班..都會經歷.."見步行步..過左今次至算啦."的情況...你感到有多可怕呢?

MJJ: 其實因為香港人已經慣左呢個見步行步既人生, 所以對香港政府既民主政策唔係太大抗拒. 事實上, 香港不斷被大陸拉著鼻子走, 所謂既基本法, 只係大陸統治香港既工具, 港人治港暫時黎睇只係一個空談.

B: 嘩, 公事靜ying ying, 估唔到呢到咁有火. MJJ, 民主係少數服從多數, 如果唔係唔叫民主. 眼見咁低O既投票率, 民調都唔支持今次補選, 咁佢地強行補選, 就係反民意, 反民主!!! 佢地唔好叫泛民, 只可以叫自己反對派!!!

MJJ: "民主係少數服從多數, 如果唔係唔叫民主", 冇人話唔服從多數, 你班人唔去投票, 就即話代表乜野? 你咁做唔係代表你表左態, 只係代表你連態都唔表, 根本冇去表達自己既意見乍... 如果你唔like 佢地既idea, 你唔應該唔投票, 而係應該去投反對票.

B: MJJ, 沒有反對票的, 只有廢票... 但反對派對廢票會有唔同解讀, 又會推高個投票率, 比反對派理解為支持公投. 所以為左唔支持公投, 我選擇唔投票... 唔投票都係一種表態黎架...

C: MJJ，好耐冇見，一見面就同你打對台。我都係支持吾投票既

C: 因為實在太吾認同佢地既做法。吾投票其實已經表達左我既意見，就係吾認同佢地。我相信咁低既投票率已經反映左大部份人都有相同既唸法。希望佢地睇清楚民意，吾好話比人打壓。

MJJ: 咁我只想講, 如果你唔贊成公投, 的而且確係應該唔投票, 但如果你係唔認同廢除功能組別同盡快落實普選, 你應該投反對票(即唔投果d 政綱係廢除功能組別同盡快落實普選既候選人), 如果支持廢除功能組別同盡快落實普選, 就應該投佢地 or 支持廢除功能組別同盡快落實普選既候選人.
當然, 香港根本冇公投法, 就算真係投出要廢除功能組別同盡快落實普選, 都唔代表政府要follow. 但試問除左呢個方法, 仲有乜野辦法可以令全港市民一齊表演自己既意見呢? 泛民只好利用補選既制度既漏動, 去同政府玩一鋪.

B: MJJ, 08年有一百五十萬人投左票, 宜家只有五十萬. 五十萬中未必個個投比反對派. 民意咁清楚, 大多數人唔支持公投, 咁都叫唔係多數人?
補選係無反對票的, 唔想擇陳淑莊, 但其他人更不知所謂, 如果夾硬投, 最後只有投廢票. 如困有反對票, 我第一個投, 唔支持今次公投.
上次同你傾開你都唔係話咁支持, 做咩突然咁右呀?

B: MJJ, 唔同意你個講法. 補選同公投係兩樣野. 例如九龍東兩個候選人都支持廢除功能組別同盡快落實普選, 咁反對的市民又有何選擇呢?

A: 兄弟們,不要勞氣,民主不就是應包容不同人的意見嗎?不投票不代表不要民主,也不是認同功能組別.只是民主本身就是要平衡社會各方的利益和意見.我不明白的是點解一定要立刻決定全廢和不廢,又點解一定要係2012而唔可以循序漸進?既然兩年前已經選了泛民代表我們入議會爭取,為何現在要花多一億多去迫選民去選多次?如果老是互不妥協,原地踏步,那恐怕一百年後也不會有普選.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2010-5-16 23:37

功能組別原來係肥彭整出黎增加民選議席既方法，
點知呢家變成俾人利用做保皇！ ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-5-17 15:24

條蛋撻王咁醒, 佢一定係專登留d 手尾玩我地d 香港人!!!
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2010-5-16 23:39

咁比例代表制亦係中方當年諗出來去 make sure 親中派政黨一定可以有人入局嘅策略來嘅，但係點知家陣咪邊成 ...
Lik 發表於 2010-5-17 15:30

當年單議席單票制真係令班民建聯輸到P哂K...
不過, 話時話, 比例代表制真係公平d 既.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-5-16 23:40

Does your friend even know what the de facto referendum is about? What the issue at hand is? Is he  ...
Lik 發表於 2010-5-16 23:24


Is forcing your will to the people who you represent instead of representing the will of people the right thing to do?

Hong Kong people have made it very clear that they don’t want your “de facto referendum”. Why don’t you respect their will instead of accusing them do not understand the significant of the “de facto referendum” which is interpreted in your own terms and twisted for your own political agenda.  

Before you talk about democracy, please learn how to respect the will of people first. That is the basic step you can do in your ability to make a contribution to the building of democracy for Hong Kong people.
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-5-16 23:40

正如我同其他人香港朋友講:
梅：516投票!
友：唔投!！投件做唔到野既屎黎做乜呀？？
梅：你知唔知點解做唔到野？？係全世界既政客都係屎，但係你至少可以揀一舊食唔死你既屎!
友：呢家係舊舊都食得死人!
梅：咁橫掂都係死～你至少可以揀去食一舊冇咁臭既～～
友：我寧願餓死!
梅：呢家係你連餓死既權利都冇，香港係已經唔俾瞓街。
友:...(冇野好講）

佢地唔明白，佢地冇條件政治冷感，因為佢地打死唔會返大陸住，又冇乜機會出國，乜都唔理等同慢性自殺。俾D仆街証明佢地睇只會話係「個別事件」，連「功能組別」係乜，點解要跟走佢地都唔知，仲要話因為我唔係住係香港唔了解香港情况先至會關心.....如果連我一個加燦都關心了解多過一個香港住既人，佢係咪無地自容呢？？？
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2010-5-16 23:50

梅兄, 小弟對於各位熱心香港事務既加燦, 時常都致萬二分既敬意~
我呢d 土生土長既牆頭草, 睇到你地對香港既關心, 真係有少少感動.
功能組別, 我同d 朋友個個都有資格去投, 但我d 朋友都冇登記, 因為佢地都唔like 小圈子選舉. 但佢地今次都唔like 搞到變相公投, 我怕佢地自此會投向建制派...
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-5-16 23:53

香港人好奇怪。
投票係權利，
呢家好似迫你攞番一樣你俾人搶走左既野。
香港人太短視，只睇到個補選一億幾，睇唔到長遠既目標....
仲有，個一億幾係夾硬煲大出黎，
租會展一個大hall掉空5日，只為一個鐘頭左右既記召，用禮賓府就已經可以啦!！
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2010-5-16 23:58

香港人好奇怪。
投票係權利，
呢家好似迫你攞番一樣你俾人搶走左既野。
香港人太短視，只睇到個補選一億幾，睇唔到長遠既目標....
仲有，個一億幾係夾硬煲大出黎，
租會展一個大hall掉空5日，只為一個鐘頭左右既記召，用禮賓府就已經可以啦!！
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-5-17 15:53

禮賓府乜唔係BBQ場咩? 乜可以用黎開記招架?
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-5-17 00:01

MJJ~~不如一齊去禮賓府BBQ囉～～～？？
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2010-5-17 00:05

MJJ~~不如一齊去禮賓府BBQ囉～～～？？
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-5-17 16:01

我都想!!! 可惜我唔識得人o係禮賓府做司機or 保安員...
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-5-17 00:06

我都想!!! 可惜我唔識得人o係禮賓府做司機or 保安員...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-5-17 00:05



    去康民處入紙申請咪得囉
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2010-5-17 00:08

去康民處入紙申請咪得囉
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-5-17 16:06

我驚仲排得耐過d 公公婆婆入住政府既安老院啊... 都係去私人BBQ 場算了.
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-5-17 00:12

我驚仲排得耐過d 公公婆婆入住政府既安老院啊... 都係去私人BBQ 場算了.
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-5-17 00:08



    傻啦～～～2046一定排到個期俾你!
醃定豬扒雞翼啦～～～
作者: Lik    時間: 2010-5-17 00:12

本帖最後由 Lik 於 2010-5-17 00:13 編輯
B: 只係睇唔過眼佢地用咁手法迫人投票.... 投左票又可以改變到d咩? 香港係城市, 唔係國家, 唔好搞港獨...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-5-16 23:35

淨係憑你個 B friend 講呢句我已經會話佢對公、社兩黨今次運動嘅意義一竅不通。而且，我更加會話佢對香港政治環境一無所知。

A: 民主本身是好的事情,但是不理會政治現實,硬要一步到位式'的爭取就不是普遍香港人所認同的方法,也非明智的做法.為何不先行出一小步,慢慢地理性地討論和爭取?mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-5-16 23:35

泛民要一步到位？！我真係唔該你個 A friend 讀返多少香港議會歷史啦：

from Wikipedia:
1998年的第一屆立法會選舉中，30席由功能組別產生，10席由選舉委員會選出，20席由地方分區直選產生。 2000年的第二屆立法會選舉，增加由地方分區直選議席，減少選舉委員會選出的議席，其中30席由功能組別產生，6席由選舉委員會選出，24席由地方分區直選產生。2004年第三屆立法會選舉，廢除由選舉委員會選出議席的制度，將6席轉由地方直選產生。其中30席經地方分區直選產生，其餘30位經功能組別選舉產生。《香港基本法》第68條指明最終目標是全部議席由普選產生。


由 98年到 04年，直選議員嘅數量一直係案照基本法遵序漸進咁增加。時至今日，其實 30席嘅直選議員對 30個功能組別成員已經係減晒啲委任議員嘅數目，再來落去就自然係要廢除功能組別嘅議員先至可以達至全部議席由普選產生呢個基本法裡面明文規定嘅條案㗎啦？家陣係阿爺反口，定係泛民要一步到位？！唔該叫你個 A friend 用吓腦諗一諗啦？！

而對廢柴嘅廢話，我都廢鬼事應佢囉～

-力
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2010-5-17 00:23

傻啦～～～2046一定排到個期俾你!
醃定豬扒雞翼啦～～～
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-5-17 16:12

好!!! 而家我醃定豬扒雞翼, 到2046既時候唔該你同我食哂佢woh!
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2010-5-17 00:26

淨係憑你個 B friend 講呢句我已經會話佢對公、社兩黨今次運動嘅意義一竅不通。而且，我更加會話佢對香港 ...
Lik 發表於 2010-5-17 16:12

力,
小弟既朋友A,B,C 一向都叻過我, 醒過好, 又靚仔過我, 我又點識叉檸廚佢地呢~
不過, 就算我有力兄你咁叻, 咁醒, 咁靚仔, 我都唔會叉佢地lu, 民主就係求同存異, 每人都有自己既意見丫麻.
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-5-17 00:38

搵錢叻同醒目同有冇政治智慧係兩回事。
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2010-5-17 00:51

搵錢叻同醒目同有冇政治智慧係兩回事。
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-5-17 16:38

網上有好多IQ Test, 唔知有冇d online test 可以test 下一個人既政治智慧水平?
作者: peter236    時間: 2010-5-17 00:54

搵錢叻同醒目同有冇政治智慧係兩回事。
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-5-17 00:38


How could that be? Our great Lik has all these qualities, 醒目 and 政治智慧.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2010-5-17 01:07

How could that be? Our great Lik has all these qualities, 醒目 and 政治智慧.
peter236 發表於 2010-5-17 16:54

呢d 你都有啦! 你仲有愛黨愛國愛人民之心啦~
作者: soli    時間: 2010-5-17 07:42

搵錢叻同醒目同有冇政治智慧係兩回事。
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-5-17 00:38

事實證明左搞補選個班友係無政治智慧﹐計錯晒數~ lol
作者: mukmuk2    時間: 2010-5-17 08:12

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作者: Catpiano    時間: 2010-5-17 11:51

呢d 你都有啦! 你仲有愛黨愛國愛人民之心啦~
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-5-17 01:07



    La la la .. you can't say that ga MJJ .. when did u see Peter is 愛人民??

You can say he is 愛黨愛國, but not 人民!!
作者: mukmuk2    時間: 2010-5-17 12:01

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作者: peter236    時間: 2010-5-17 12:02

La la la .. you can't say that ga MJJ .. when did u see Peter is 愛人民??

You can say he is ...
Catpiano 發表於 2010-5-17 11:51


I just posted some pics of Yao Ming and NBA players visiting China etc, and people started to post self-hating crap.
作者: mukmuk2    時間: 2010-5-17 12:29

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作者: eddie    時間: 2010-5-17 12:45

I agree your view and points.
If you don't agree with their action and cast your blank ballot, they will twist and count it as their supporting vote.  If you don't agree with either side, be neutral and don't vote.
作者: eddie    時間: 2010-5-17 12:50

Before the election, all the commentator said all the action from China and 曾蔭權 not cast his vote will trigger more people coming out to vote. Where is all these people.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-5-17 14:03

It is more upsetting is that they do not accept the fact their “de facto referendum” is a failure and continue to ignore the will of Hong Kong people. Below is quoted from Hong Kong 明報 － “社民連黃毓民表示，無論結果如何，會把抗爭升級，發動市民包圍立法會，重返議會後必定會反對政改方案。”

Does 黃毓民 know what “respecting the will of people” mean when he claims he is fighting for the democracy of Hong Kong?

When 黃毓民 was elected into 立法會, I was pretty happy for him and expected him to be “一股清泉” in 立法會. But he totally disappointed me. I guess it would be best to him and to Hong Kong people that he returns to his old career and make a living by playing lip service.
作者: sheep    時間: 2010-5-17 14:14

“一股清泉” in 立法會
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-17 14:03



    點去 define 一股清泉?
作者: peter236    時間: 2010-5-17 14:36

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-5-17 14:41 編輯
NBA players are not China 人民.  Yao Ming can be ONE 人民; there still no prove of 愛人民.
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-5-17 12:29


I was just saying I posted some pics of Yao Ming, and some pictures of Chinese infrastructures. But some self-hating people claimed that I was from mainland China blah blah...... Very strange way of thinking from myversa who is jealous of Yao Ming. If Yao Ming is a Japanese then he would have shut up. I told him, if he does not like it, just stay away, but he persisted to bash Yao Ming.

I don't even want to talk much about politics.
作者: mukmuk2    時間: 2010-5-17 15:22

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作者: mukmuk2    時間: 2010-5-17 15:24

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作者: mukmuk2    時間: 2010-5-17 15:36

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作者: peter236    時間: 2010-5-17 16:54

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-5-17 16:59 編輯
You know why I was so against you? because you cannot let something go and keep on attacking myver ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-5-17 15:36


My friend, just eat your satays.
I have already avoided that wierd myversa guy.
作者: mukmuk2    時間: 2010-5-17 17:34

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