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That's what I said. As long as you vote ( doesn't matter blank, void or not ), they will count you as their supporter.eddie 發表於 2010-5-18 11:28

1)放出一眾走狗來對公投抹黑,又話違法,又話違憲(夢遺大師、譚肥豬、痰罐宗、流肛華等等)
2)全港主流傳媒(除咗生果報之外)都盡量唔報導有關公投/補選嘅事。當然,黑材料、轉移視聽嘅人同事(例如白老妖)就可以出街。候選人嘅議題、政崗、背景、落區拉票活動就通通到唔報。
3)更不該嘅係,除咗港台堅持要搞候選人電視論壇,其他媒體一律唔按照往常慣例來安排論壇。CCTVB唔轉播港台個論壇,而無人睇嘅亞視亦只係安排咗啲非黃金時間來轉播港台個論壇。但照道理港台其實響兩個免費電視台都應該有廣播時段。
4)特衰政府遲遲都唔開始對補選做宣傳,而到做嘅時候亦一改往常慣例,又刪除叫人踴躍投票嘅字眼,又唔清除議員同政黨嘅街牌。而提供俾公投五子嘅宣傳街牌數量雖然同往時一樣,但安排俾佢地嘅 location 就有咁山卡啦就得咁山卡啦,好多地方根本無人會行過。
5)因為大專 2012嘅學生係支持公投嘅,所以特衰政府就留難佢地,話佢地嘅宣傳單張因為啲芝麻綠豆嘅小事而唔合規格,唔 qualify 同政府儸免費郵遞。班大專生其實窮到燶,印完單張都經已乾塘,又邊到有錢再改印過?
6)曾特狗打破世界傳統,作為全球第一個身為最高領導人但帶頭唔響一個政府自己搞嘅合法選舉裡面唔投票。而且除咗佢自己之外,亦連同一眾管治班子都一齊唔投票,變相對全體公務員施壓,要佢地都唔出來投票。
7)建制派自己明明想參選,但阿爺唔俾就全部跪低來杯葛選舉。但那邊湘又暗啞底走去幫白老妖等人助選。而隱形左派就除咗九龍東之外就每區都有。坊間更有傳言話某啲候選人果$5萬銀選舉按金來路不明,而毛哥亦話據佢所知,佢嘅前助理照計係應該無能力霎時間自己儸大拿拿 $5萬銀出來去參選。呢個資金嘅來源,就算唔係呼之欲出都絕對叫人懷疑。

回復 rockypath
That's what I said. As long as you vote ( doesn't matter blank, void or not ), they will count you as their supporter
eddie 發表於 2010-5-18 11:28

我地要真公投, 真民主!
sure, I agree!
but 談判需要籌碼, can hk survive for a week without the support (any kind, water, f ...
chunsh 發表於 2010-5-18 22:10
That's way too high la. Do you really think the garbage collectors here worth that much money?
Reme ...
peter236 發表於 2010-5-19 15:18
無錯,社民連的確係話對決模式變為數票模式,但之所以咁講其實就係因為基於建制派嘅縮骨同退卻,變相公投本身只要五子能夠重返議會,咁今次嘅新民主運動就已經係贏咗。而投票率同得票律越高,咁亦代表勝利越明顯。反之,假如五子當中任何一個被打落馬嘅話,咁就代表五區公投徹底失敗。
Lik 發表於 2010-5-19 14:49
總投票律確實係比預期所低,呢個無需否認。但當中五子嘅得票律卻係超過8成。
到呢度我就好想問吓阿石仔,既然五子全數重返議會,咁公投運動係輸定係贏呢?
8)響好多地方,往年一貫征用嘅選舉投票站都無啦啦改咗去啲古靈精怪嘅地方。司馬超之心路人皆見,其實過中嘅目的咪又係想打擊選民投票嘅意欲,令到選民嫌麻煩就唔去投票?
9)響新界唔少鄉郊啲嘅地方其實都係嚮議局(亦即係建制派)嘅勢力範圍之內,有居民話啲鄉紳同村內有影響力嘅人士竟然暗示明示咁話邊個去投票就要後果自負,又或者北上嘅時候就知道。當然,呢啲說話法律上係犯咗刑事,但實際上就無從追究、無法入罪。
sure, I agree!
but 談判需要籌碼, can hk survive for a week without the support (any kind, water, f ...
chunsh 發表於 2010-5-19 14:10
First, who actually came out and voted? I would expect most of them are the base of 公社兩黨的基本盤 (20%). I would be VERY SUPPRISED if 公投五子 did not get over 80% of the votes.
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-19 00:04
公、社兩黨兩次立法會選舉得票比較
港島區
2008年: 92,802 2010年: 103,564 增幅: 11.5%
九龍西
2008年: 54,812 2010年: 60,395 增幅: 10.2%
九龍東
2008年: 67,964 2010年: 82,066 增幅: 20.7%
新界東
2008年: 84,720 2010年: 108,927 增幅: 28.6%
新界西
2008年: 60,092 2010年: 109,609 增幅: 82.4%
總得票
2008年: 360,390 2010年: 464,561 增幅: 28.9%
資料來源:選舉事務處

Second, people who would vote against公投五子 had no choice but give up their votes because it was the only way they could cast their “NO” vote against公投五子. Twisting the way of interpreting the voting result is the democracy you praise and support, isn’t it?
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-19 00:04
當建制派唔選既時候, 佢地一早就知一定會贏, 冇可能只係set "只要五子能夠重返議會,咁今次嘅新民主運動就已經係贏咗" 呢個目標. 因為咁樣完全唔能夠令香港市民信服.
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-5-19 00:42
公投運動定輸贏? 唔係呀化, 當一個公投係玩架? 公投係民主運動, 一人一票去決定一d 事關重大既議題, 我覺得唔係用黎定輸贏law. 搞咁多野只係想為贏政府同建制派? 膚淺左少少law.
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-5-19 00:42
The most important point I would like to 點醒你 is – 反對公投五子的激進做法 is not equal to 反對爭取民主進程. Hong Kong people are telling 公社兩黨 that they do not agree their 激進做法 and it could be harmful to 民主進程建設 instead of helping.
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-19 19:38
我亦非常佩服 MJJ你呢個縮骨擦鞋仔。
乜建制派唔選五子就一定會贏嘅呢咩?公社兩黨一直最擔心嘅係,阿爺一方面就話冷處理,但另一方面就暗啞底灌票俾其中某啲候選人,而毓民就一直係最高危嘅目標!射人先射馬,毓民既然係五區公投嘅始創人,打垮咗佢嘅話就更加能夠代表成個公投徹底失敗!從白老妖一直搞局,到謝偉俊響電台衝入錄音室挑釁毓民,毓民一直都係打擊目標。而毓民嘅擔心亦一直有響網台節目裡面同大家講,所以亦不斷叫支持者幫手拉票。
MJJ,唔該你唔好去矮化今次嘅公投運動。個公投議題係「踢走功能組別、盡快落實雙普選」。贏咗就即係得到選民嘅支持,輸咗就即係議題被選民 tur棄。
Lik 發表於 2010-5-19 19:22

This article is for fun. Yes, forgot to mention - 民主先鋒司徒華 did not vote either. He said that h ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-19 09:53
So what is your comment on 華叔 did not support 變相公投 and he did not vote either?
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-19 11:43
So what is your comment on 華叔 did not support 變相公投 and he did not vote either?
So you also ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-19 11:43
When there are no competing candidates who are competent, we all expect the numbers will rise. It is only you were surprised by that and so excited about it. 要學識從深層次去理解和分析;淨係從表面看問題就是和師奶一般見識。
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-19 03:38
Why don’t you read up some 時事評論 in Hong Kong and find out why all medias are saying this 變相公投徹底失敗,公社兩黨連基本盤都保唔住? Don’t tell me all Hong Kong people were fooled by 中央和特首. I believe people in Hong Kong are smarter than you and me in many ways.
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-19 03:38
The most important point I would like to 點醒你 is – 反對公投五子的激進做法 is not equal to 反對爭取民主進程. Hong Kong people are telling 公社兩黨 that they do not agree their 激進做法 and it could be harmful to 民主進程建設 instead of helping.
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-19 03:38
開口埋口話人呢樣果樣, 冇d 修養, 衰d 講句係冇家教, 你老豆老母冇教你做人要有禮貌架咩? 算, 無謂同人教仔.
公社兩黨一直最擔心嘅係,阿爺一方面就話冷處理,但另一方面就暗啞底灌票俾其中某啲候選人? 我覺得唔係law, 呢d 野有乜好驚? 阿爺話明唔選, 你認為班建制派會去插手咩? 而且, 有人爭反而係一件好事, 起碼刺激到投票率, 唔駛搞到而家冷清清咁. 毓民贏輸真係咁重要? 我覺得佢地寧願有人出黎同佢地撼, 多d 市民參與law, 我諗係你唔明白公投既意義. 佢地不斷話比人打擊, 只係想帶多d 選民出黎投票, 因為投票率對於呢次公投既成敗係非常重要! 眾所周知, 一般公投要over 50% 市民投票先可以通過. 基本上呢次選舉, 50% 真係冇可能, 我之前覺得30% 已經over achieve, 可惜最後只有17%. 當然, 咁都起碼代表左有50萬市民行左出黎支持佢地, 呢個都唔係一個少數目既.
公投議題係「踢走功能組別、盡快落實雙普選」就係人都知. 贏咗就即係得到選民嘅支持,輸咗就即係議題被選民 tur棄? 咁你認為今次係贏定輸? 老實講, 我覺得比人唾棄唔係公投既議題, 而係佢地既行為law. 小弟深信, 香港人普遍都支持「踢走功能組別、盡快落實雙普選」, 但係點解唔係咁多人想企出投票支持? 好簡單, 因為好多香港人唔認同公社兩黨既做法.
最後一句, 係佢地乞人憎, 而唔係唔支持公投議題.
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-5-19 06:52
回復 mcjohnjohn
家陣人地支持嘅咩公投失敗咗,而加咪發爛咋囉~
失敗唔認輸,輸打贏要,反口覆舌,強奸民意。
選民眼睛係雪亮嘅,無運行嘅會係邊個非常明顯。
soli 發表於 2010-5-19 14:55
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Lik, do you know it is very tiring that I have to educate you the basic concept before I can talk ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-19 19:24
What you think is not a matter. What the majority of Hong Kong people think is the matter. Would you say 華叔 is 縮頭烏龜 and 2.4 million Hong Kong people who chose not to vote are 毫無主見無骨氣, 見利忘義 and 貪生怕死?
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-19 19:24
I don't think Hong Kong people will agree with you.
你已經喪失了理性認識事實現狀和客觀分析問題的能力。
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-19 20:36






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