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作者: Lik 時間: 2010-5-21 17:47 標題: 馮仁昭四圍超：梁榮忠批老師惹起公憤

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梁車震講埋啲咁嘅說話，我又一啲都唔出奇喎？

-力

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-5-21 18:51

he just wanted to get some noise/popularity

作者: ricrick 時間: 2010-5-21 20:01

D o靚仔真係無野做，個個禮拜晨甘早去維園晨運，城市論壇之後就去飲茶

聽都吾make sense la ，尋晚打機打通宵訓多兩個鐘吾好？講野都吾經大腦，e + D o靚仔甘關心社會，你話人地無野做？
人地敢於表達意見，又話人地教壞細路，睇野淨係睇表面，但永遠吾會了解背後的義意及原因，不知所謂!

作者: matt72178 時間: 2010-5-21 20:59

D o靚仔真係無野做，個個禮拜晨甘早去維園晨運，城市論壇之後就去飲茶

聽都吾make sense la ，尋晚打機打 ...
ricrick 發表於 2010-5-21 20:01

原來浪子既另一面都0甘感性既~

作者: ricrick 時間: 2010-5-21 21:31

成日車震緊起吾到身，我最清楚

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2010-5-21 21:46

本帖最後由 MoiRhapsody 於 2010-5-21 21:51 編輯

毛主席說過：沒有無緣無故的恨。
不平則鳴乃學者應有態度，
老師不做縮頭龜是「應當」之事。
學生們的鼓掌證明政府型像何其低。

明哲保身不知何時成了叡智，
連國內人民都比香港人大膽～～～
還是這位老師太光亮？
令無膽的酸葡萄妒忌死了？？？？

作者: chunsh 時間: 2010-5-22 13:13

我覺得梁榮忠講得o岩wor
個個年紀的學生有幾多能夠真正了解政治呀
見到個miss甘樣﹐咪覺得好很形o羅
你睇個miss事後個樣幾o甘飄飄然

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-22 14:21

The teacher is quite stupid. what does she know about politics?

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2010-5-22 16:39

又假設事前學生不懂政治，
始乃謬誤。
第一，不論學生是否了解政治，老師提出的設問本身並沒有錯。
第二，若說學生不了解政治，也請梁車震大聲說說政見。
第三，在公開場合官員必須時時準備回答市民問題，提出對政府選舉立場的疑問並沒有不妥地方。

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-5-22 22:13

The teacher is quite stupid. what does she know about politics?
peter236 發表於 2010-5-22 14:21

LOL~

What makes you think she doesn't know anything about politics? <Starting Rockypath mode> Where is your evidence of that? I challenge you to prove your claim! <Rockypath mode off>

Obviously, Miss Ng knows a heck of a lot more about civic responsibility than you do.

Moron...

-Lik

作者: chunsh 時間: 2010-5-22 22:13

又假設事前學生不懂政治，
始乃謬誤。
第一，不論學生是否了解政治，老師提出的設問本身並沒有錯。
第二， ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-5-22 16:39

hm....I am talking about the students that they don't know much about politics. it doesn't matter if "car-shaking" know politics or not

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2010-5-22 22:22

then isn't it a good time to learn?

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 05:21

回復 10# Lik

Let's just put aside whether Miss Ng know about politics or not.
Mr. Tong's performance was totally un-professional,
he cannot even handle the queries session.
Just a typical bureaucrat. Thumb down

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 11:00

爾等擁共份子，不顧民生，民憤，
甘願為虎作倀

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-5-23 11:23

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-5-23 11:24 編輯

LOL~

What makes you think she doesn't know anything about politics? <Starting Rockypath mode> Where is your evidence of that? I challenge you to prove your claim! <Rockypath mode off> ...
Lik 發表於 2010-5-22 22:13

Lik, sorry to embarrass you so many times, but it was you who actually embarrassed yourself.

Did you realize you are becoming more and more like a promoter of 陳水扁的民進黨式街頭和爛仔政治文化?

I also say the teacher is stupid. Instead of setting an example to her students and tell them what is 理性地和政府對話，瞭解政府政改方案，對方案進行理性討論和提出市民的意見, the teach set a bad example to impose her personal political views to her students.

If I have a child, I definitely oppose his teachers to have any opportunity to impose the influence of their political views on my child. NO WAY, I will complain to the principal right away if I know that.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-5-23 11:30

爾等擁共份子，不顧民生，民憤，
甘願為虎作倀
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-23 11:00

I don't think the 2.4 million Hong Kong people who did not vote are all 擁共份子，不顧民生，民憤，甘願為虎作倀

Why don't you learn how to 理性分析結果和反省失敗原因. Don't be influenced by the 陳水扁的民進黨式的政治文化 which Lik promotes.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2010-5-23 11:33

you don't think the 2.4 million Hong Kong people who did not vote are all 擁共份子，不顧民生，民憤，甘願為虎作倀, i don't neither.
Yet SAR already claims those 2.4 million people are "on SAR side".

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 11:42

回復 16# rockypath

You have similar family history as mine, both suffered from the CCP agony;
the difference is, I fight for injustice while you submit to the authority
and become spineless

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 11:47

I do not find any flaw in Miss Ng's questions,
she speaks for the majority of HK people,
kudo to Miss Ng, you have my applause
Shame on Tong, Tsang and the muppet SAR government

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 11:50

I wonder:
If someone punches you for no reason,
what would you do?
1. Stick up and fight back
2. Kneel down and beg for mercy
I cannot speak for you
I chose the first option

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-5-23 11:53

Yet SAR already claims those 2.4 million people are "on SAR side". ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-5-23 11:33

Well, 公社兩黨 also claimed people who voted are on their side.

I don't think you and I would appriciate this kind of political game.

作者: soli 時間: 2010-5-23 11:55

爾等擁共份子，不顧民生，民憤，
甘願為虎作倀
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-23 11:00

爾等反中亂港份子，不顧240萬民生，民憤，
甘願為狼作倀﹐可恥也~

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-5-23 12:01

I do not find any flaw in Miss Ng's questions,
she speaks for the majority of HK people,
kudo to Mis ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-23 11:47

My focus is not whether there is any flaw in Miss Ng’s questions especially when you are supporting her political view.

If there was another teacher stood up and expressed a different political view which opposes Miss Ng’s, will you still support that person doing that at that moment?

I don’t agree 當時的場合 is an appropriate opportunity for the teachers to express their own political views. That is why I don’t agree with Miss Ng’s action but not necessary her political view.

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 12:07

Tong did not have the mandate from HK people in the first place,
he is merely a dog for CCP.
Miss Ng has the valid point:
"Would you think you would be at your position
if there were a general election"
That was when everyone applause

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-5-23 12:13

Tong did not have the mandate from HK people in the first place,
he is merely a dog for CCP.
Miss Ng ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-23 12:07

I would suggest you to learn how to listen to and understand what other people said before expressing yourself.

Haven’t I made myself clear? I did not oppose or question what Miss Ng said. What I opposed is her action at a wrong venue at a wrong time.

Maybe you don’t mind the teachers can impose their political views on your child. I definitely oppose that because I won’t impose my political view on my child either.

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 12:20

回復 22# soli

What we learned is that there are 520,000 voters re-affirmed their
support to their councilors.
While the 280,000 remain silence, they did not voice any opposition.
You have shown us how cold blood you are already,
what else can anyone expect from you except the defense for China's shortcome?

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 12:24

回復 25# rockypath

A straight answer from a simple question,
is it too much to ask for?
Students are not stupid, I don't think you were
easily influenced and manipulated by your teacher.
I would not, in fact, I used to challenge my teachers a lots

作者: soli 時間: 2010-5-23 12:32

回復 26# MAXIMUS
又一次強姦民意﹐你呢種人無資格講民主。

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 12:32

本帖最後由 MAXIMUS 於 2010-5-23 12:34 編輯

回復 15# rockypath
理性地和政府對話，瞭解政府政改方案，對方案進行理性討論和提出市民的意見,

  it is the SAR gov't keep denying the idea of general election,
  now it is still a pie in the sky.
  520,000 voters have spoken out, now try to put up a rally of
  1,000,000 to show support to SAR, if you insist 2,800,000 voters  are pro-government

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 12:35

回復 28# soli

I'm Chinese Canadian, I advocate democracy,
try to sell your idea in China

作者: soli 時間: 2010-5-23 12:38

回復 30# MAXIMUS
what you are advocating is just "fake democracy".

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 12:39

回復 31# soli

According to Communist, yes

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 12:40

And you told us the CCP has since ditched the Communism,
yet they insists that they are the genuine communists

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 12:47

There is only one true definition for democracy:
Everyone has the freedom to vote for whoever they consider
would represent their own benefit, without the interference from
partisan party, and without worrying consequences due to
their vote.
It is the CCP that twists the simple theory of democracy.
Even when people elects a dictator, they can still vote him down.
But unfortunately it is impossible in China

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 12:54

The CCP try to fool people that there are more than one form of democracy,
according to them, there are
1. The True Democracy, lead by the CCP and your only right is to abide
2. The Fake Democracy,  adopted by all Developed Countries, people
   have the ultimate freedom to change their government
In Peter's mode:  Chinese Way or no way, all the other countries are bankrupted waiting
                        for Chinese  liberation

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 12:56

本帖最後由 MAXIMUS 於 2010-5-23 13:02 編輯

回復 MAXIMUS
what you are advocating is just "fake democracy".
soli 發表於 2010-5-23 12:38

North Korean called themselves the true Democratic Country.I got my education in Canada, so I only understand what
democratic mean in Canada,
tell me what kind of democratic election is there in China?
can you re-call the People's Assembly?
Who elect the Chief Secretary of China? Governor of Province?Tell me that Chinese nationals are so low quality that they do
not understand democracy, as your master told the world.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-5-23 13:10

回復 rockypath

Students are not stupid, I don't think you were easily influenced and manipulated by your teacher. I would not, in fact, I used to challenge my teachers a lots...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-23 12:24

I believe you just refuse to read what other people said.

Ok, let’s try again. If there was a Miss Chan instead of Miss Ng stood up to express 對變相公投的不滿並要求政府修訂法規禁止類似議員隨意辭職推行變相公投這種事情再次發生. Will you still support Miss Chan’s action and applause her for her brave?

Why don’t I want my children to be influenced by their teachers’ own political views is not because they are stupid or not. It is because they are still young and might still lack the knowledge, experience and analytical skills required to form their own opinions especially on political topics.

I still remember I listened to my teachers more than I listened to my parents and other people when I was in elementary school. Therefore, I won’t under estimate the power of influence the teachers can have on my children.

作者: tofu 時間: 2010-5-23 16:03

"""Why don’t I want my children to be influenced by their teachers’ own political views is not because they are stupid or not.  It is because they are still young and might still lack the knowledge, experience and analytical skills required to form their own opinions especially on political topics."""

you assume all the teachers are young?  they all retired at age 30/40? you just make all the assumption.

""" I don’t agree 當時的場合 is an appropriate opportunity for the teachers to express their own political views. """

i don't think you really understand the issue.  the teacher teaches her students in the class, citizen is responsible to vote for his/her government.  but the governor told people not to vote this time, so it is a bad example.  you may think this election is stupid and just waste money, but it is still a legit election.  it is nothing to deal with her political view, you come out to vote does not necessary mean you are supporting one party, you are just fulfill your responsibility of a citizen.  so she hoped mr. tong can explain why he didn't fulfill his responsibility.

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 16:05

本帖最後由 MAXIMUS 於 2010-5-23 16:10 編輯

回復 38# tofu

Very well said, my salute to you Go Girl.The LYK girls are smarter than boys

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 16:08

本帖最後由 MAXIMUS 於 2010-5-23 16:09 編輯

回復 37# rockypath
It is because they are still young and might still lack the knowledge, experience and analytical skills required to form their own opinions especially on political topics. It applies to you as well, I doubt you have analytical skill other than following to
XinHua Agency. You just gave in

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-5-23 16:22

you assume all the teachers are young? they all retired at age 30/40? you just make all the assumption. ...
tofu 發表於 2010-5-23 16:03

You misunderstood what I said. I said my children are young and they might lack the knowledge, experience and analytical skills to form their own opinions especially on political topics. Therefore, I don't want my children to be influenced by their teachers’ own political views.

Do you agree with what I said after I clarify what I meant?

Regarding the education of citizen’s responsibility to vote, I agree with you that schools should educate students about their duties as a citizen. However, we all know this election is a 變相公投 and it is not a regular election constituted by the law of Hong Kong. It is an election forced by a political alliance to express their own political opinions. The voting had been designated as an action to support or oppose their action.

Whether you as a citizen decide to support their actions or not, it is your own choice. But don’t force your opinion to other people under the name of 公民義務和責任.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-5-23 16:23

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-5-23 16:25 編輯

回復 rockypath
It is because they are still young and might still lack the knowledge, experience a ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-23 16:08

Now I clarify -- "they" represent children not the teachers.

So, do you agree with me now?

By the way, you have yet told us whether you would support the action of Miss Chan.

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 16:34

本帖最後由 MAXIMUS 於 2010-5-23 16:43 編輯

回復 42# rockypath

When did Miss Ng "Force her opinion to other people"
she just asked Mr. Tong a simple question but Mr. Tong
dare not to answer. Mr. Tong went to the school to sell his broken promise, not
prepared for criticism;  just to prove his low IQ. , ignorance and incompetence.
I think there is Social Study in High School Syllabus in HK,
"Obedience to authority"  is not in the context, it is not the Mainland China.
You lost the debate again, this time defeated by a  young lady
Maybe you can learn from Mr. Tong

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 16:45

The school is the top Girls School in HK,
not all the High School Students are simple and naive

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 17:02

本帖最後由 MAXIMUS 於 2010-5-23 17:04 編輯

回復 41# rockypath

"i don't think you really understand the issue.  the teacher teaches her students in the class, citizen is responsible to vote for his/her government.  but the governor told people not to vote this time, so it is a bad example.  you may think this election is stupid and just waste money, but it is still a legit election.  it is nothing to deal with her political view, you come out to vote does not necessary mean you are supporting one party, you are just fulfill your responsibility of a citizen.  so she hoped mr. tong can explain why he didn't fulfill his responsibility." Quoted from Tofu

Seems like you are the one having difficulty  understanding; or lacking patience to read through before responding,
if the SAR were so sure that the by-election was illegal and illegitimate  , they should have banned it in the first place. They funded the election in the light and pulling the leg behind the scene with all the dirty tricks,  that is shameful.  May I borrow your  favourite words: Hypocrite

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-5-23 17:13

回復 rockypath

When did Miss Ng "Force her opinion to other people"
she just asked Mr. Tong a sim ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-23 16:34

Before you talk about anything else, just answer my question - "Do you support the action of Miss Chan?"

If you do not support the action of Miss Chan, how would you have the ground to support Miss Ng?

作者: tofu 時間: 2010-5-23 17:15

本帖最後由 tofu 於 2010-5-23 17:32 編輯

ok, i understood what you mean, but don't agree to it.  the students are allow to vote when they turn 18 and they are in high school already, which is between 12-18 years old.  it is important for them to learn what is political?  knowledge, experience and analytical skills are things that need to build up.  a good teacher will not influence his students by his own point of view, he will just open the path for his students to think and find the answer by themselves.  if your child really influenced by the teacher, it means you are not a good parent.  education is not only at school.  if you have an opposite idea of your child's teacher, you child should do more research find out which side does he buy. if your child knows nothing about political, they will just being use as a tool.

this is not a regular election, but it is a legit election.  if you don't like this election, vote for an opposite party or make an invalid vote.  inorder to let them know this is a bad idea.  come back to the real world, "變相" happen all the times.
hst is a 變相 increased tax rate, we don't tell everyone not to pay it or collect it.  we go though legal process to stop it.

"""Whether you as a citizen decide to support their actions or not, it is your own choice. """
but the governor told the public that all the dept heads are not going to vote is more than a personal choice already.  it will also give pressure to all government's employee, not to vote.

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 17:31

本帖最後由 MAXIMUS 於 2010-5-23 17:53 編輯

回復 46# rockypath

When did I say that I would not support Miss Chan's action?
trying to put words in my mouth again?
Just to remind you that HK, at this date, is still a SAR,
people are allowed to express themselves positively
or adversely, without fear of consequences,愚忠並非愛國唯一行動,Color
now we protest against HST, can you say that we betray Canada?
No, we are exercising our constitution right,
only the CCP would rips its own constitution
You lost multiple times to ladies already, how does it feel?

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-5-23 17:43

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-5-23 17:46 編輯

ok, i understood what you mean, but don't agree to it. the students are allow to vote when they tur ...
tofu 發表於 2010-5-23 17:15

First, teaching the political knowledge is different from influencing the students with personal political view. It is important to teach students a full spectrum of knowledge and give them the skills how to analyze an issue and examine different opinions but not just accept the opinions that imposed by their teachers.

Second, do you know this 變相公投 has no opposition? Could you tell me how would I be able to say “NO” to against變相公投行動 other than not vote since any vote (include blank votes and votes to another person who does not be long to 公民兩黨) will be counted as supports to their action.

I will be waiting for your answer to tell me what I can do if I want to say no to this 變相公投行動 other than not voting.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-5-23 17:46

回復 rockypath

When did I say that I would not support Miss Chan's action?
trying to put words in ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-23 17:31

Just tell me whether you would support the action of Miss Chan. "Yes" or "No".

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 17:56

本帖最後由 MAXIMUS 於 2010-5-23 17:59 編輯

回復 49# rockypath

There are many ways one can do other than no show at voting.
Don't tell me that you don't know since you told us that you travel to HK and China more often in a year than what I would do
in a life time

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 18:05

Do you have comprehensive deficiency ?
or you just do not have the patience to read before you attack?
I do not see any problem with either Miss Chan or Miss Ng,
of course they have the right to express themselves

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-5-23 18:06

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-5-23 18:08 編輯

回復 rockypath

There are many ways one can do other than no show at voting.
Don't tell me that yo ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-23 17:56

Just tell me what I can do if I want to say "No" and 反對變相公投行動. Just tell me what is the option that I have.

OK, I listen to you and I vote. Just tell me in what way my vote would be counted as a vote to say "No" and 反對變相公投行動?

Face my question direcly, but not just avoid it.

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 18:11

本帖最後由 MAXIMUS 於 2010-5-23 18:15 編輯

Simply cast a blank ballot,
or you can organize a rally to protest against them.
It is all legal in HK at present time.
Don't tell me that it is something new for you.

You only dare to demand immediate answers here at LYK,
what have you done for the progress of HK democracy other
than being 共和國的順民

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-5-23 18:14

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-5-23 18:17 編輯

Simply cast a blank ballot,...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-23 18:11

Did you read the news at all? 公社兩黨 had made it very clear to every Hong Kong people that they will count any vote (blank ballot and vote to any candidate) as a support to their action!

Do you know what you are talking about?

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 18:18

Politician can claim anything to their benefit,
what did the ballots went to?
Brainwashed by the SAR machine

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 18:20

本帖最後由 MAXIMUS 於 2010-5-23 18:22 編輯

I do not want to argue with you anymore,a guy despised by 5 girls at LYK
why don't you post at soli's thread and
you can have sweet talk, I would not interupt

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-5-23 18:25

I do not want to argue with you anymore,a guy despised by 5 girls at LYK
why don't you post at soli' ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-23 18:20

I jus told you the reason why there were so many Hong Kong people decided not to vote.

Do you realize you have been arguing on an issue which you don't understand and don’t have a true picture of what is going on?

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-5-23 18:33

同樣一件事, 唔同人就有唔同既睇法.
慶幸係香港都算係一個民主既地方, 正反相方都有發言權.
呢次小弟就支持呢位老師, 佢都係想表達出對民主既訴求, 有何不妥. 佢表達既方法已經好文明, 又冇爆粗, 又冇掟蕉; 有舉手發言, 又唔係搶住講野唔比人講, 佢既缺法香港人會buy.

作者: soli 時間: 2010-5-23 18:34

You only dare to demand immediate answers here at LYK,
what have you done for the progress of HK democracy other
than being 共和國的順民

原本以為閣下只係偏激左D﹐但原來係腦筋有問題。
呢度大部份人都係加拿大人﹐拿加國護照﹐交稅給加國政府﹐如何是共和國的順民?

反而是閣下﹐拿加國護照﹐滿口洋文﹐又有何面目同資格說上面番話?
除了在LYK叫囂﹐5.16有沒有回香港投票? 登記左做香港選民未?
無既話﹐你上面講既﹐同放屁有咩分別?
我們都是在隔岸觀火﹐評論香港政制不要緊﹐這樣無理攻擊同將別人標籤又有何益處?

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-5-23 18:36

Did you read the news at all? 公社兩黨 had made it very clear to every Hong Kong people that they will count any vote (blank ballot and vote to any candidate) as a support to their action!

Do you know what you are talking about?
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-24 10:14

係咩? 我一直都認為佢地剩係count 支持佢地同埋大專聯盟先至係贊成票. 投其他人or 廢/白票就即係反對票. rockypath, 你幾時聽到"they will count any vote as a support" 呀?

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 18:36

奴才心態

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 18:40

本帖最後由 MAXIMUS 於 2010-5-23 18:42 編輯

My family exiled twice to stay away from CCP,
and I left HK for 14 years, so I do not feel I represent
HK people.
But we can express our thought freely in Canada,none of your biz, go to suck your master's toe

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-5-23 18:44

奴才心態
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-24 10:36

話哂大家都生活o係有言論自由既社會, 如果有人同自己既意見唔同就叫人奴才, 咁就好似o係度搞歧視咁...

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 18:46

本帖最後由 MAXIMUS 於 2010-5-23 18:48 編輯

回復 64# mcjohnjohn

It is not the POV,
it is the attitude they serve their master
I might not agree with you, but I certainly
would not call you thatI asked them to go to their own realm and worship their lord
that I would not bother to interrupt

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-5-23 18:54

回復 mcjohnjohn

It is not the POV,
it is the attitude they serve their master
I might not agree ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-24 10:46

人各有志, 你都睇開d 啦~
每人都有自己既意見, 若要人似你, 除非兩個你, 我地總算係文明人, 小弟覺得文明人係應該接受同考慮對方既意見, 最好就做到和而不同. 不過, 呢個世界又唔係咁ideal 既, 道不同不相為謀, 唔好彩佢咪算law, 話佢奴才有鬼用咩, 會搞到自己cheap左架.

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 19:04

回復 64# mcjohnjohn

爾等反中亂港份子，不顧240萬民生，民憤，
甘願為狼作倀﹐可恥也~\

MJJ, did your read that?

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 19:07

人各有志, 你都睇開d 啦~
每人都有自己既意見, 若要人似你, 除非兩個你, 我地總算係文明人, 小弟覺得文明 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-5-23 18:54

道不同不相為謀, 唔好彩佢咪算law
Yes, it is right.
That is the reason I asked they to stay at their own realm and worship their lord,
but they could not stand the loneliness and keep clashing someone else's thread.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-5-23 19:11

回復 mcjohnjohn

爾等反中亂港份子，不顧240萬民生，民憤，
甘願為狼作倀﹐可恥也~\

MJJ, did your re ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-24 11:04

反中亂港? 邊有人會咁得閒搵呢d 野黎搞丫, 你講我都唔信啦~

大家都係為左香港好之麻~ 雖然你離開左香港都好耐, 但都心繫香港, 所以都想香港好的, right?

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-5-23 19:13

道不同不相為謀, 唔好彩佢咪算law
Yes, it is right.
That is the reason I asked they to stay at their ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-24 11:07

大家都係互相追擊之麻~
有時, 睇住你一刀, 我一劍咁揮揮下, 都可以學到好多野. 當然大前提係大家只係切割武功, 而唔係去傷人law.

作者: soli 時間: 2010-5-23 19:17

回復 67# MAXIMUS
原來如此﹐閣下身世可悲﹐年幼時被人趕完一次又一次﹐被逼著要離鄉別井。
現在長大了﹐但因為沒腰骨﹐不敢再回原居地﹐只能隔著太平洋向大陸叫罵。
呢種人﹐我地普遍稱之為喪家犬。

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-23 19:32

Lik, sorry to embarrass you so many times, but it was you who actually embarrassed yourself.

Did ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-23 11:23

"我要有權選特首"
what's wrong with this phase?
does it implies any political preference or oppose the government?
I don't see any

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-23 19:38

I don't think the 2.4 million Hong Kong people who did not vote are all 擁共份子，不顧民生，民憤，甘願為虎作倀

please don't generalize those who didn't vote are against 五區公投.
There are people like me are voters in HK but not vote because I am not in HK and I support 五區公投.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-23 19:45

My focus is not whether there is any flaw in Miss Ng’s questions especially when you are supporti ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-23 12:01

It already happened, there is no, OK your assumption do not stand

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-23 19:47

Haven’t I made myself clear? I did not oppose or question what Miss Ng said. What I opposed is her action at a wrong venue at a wrong time
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-23 12:13

freedom of expression has to be in the right time at the right place?
Then you should shut up

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-23 19:51

Ok, let’s try again. If there was a Miss Chan instead of Miss Ng stood up to express 對變相公投的不滿並要求政府修訂法規禁止類似議員隨意辭職推行變相公投這種事情再次發生. Will you still support Miss Chan’s action and applause her for her brave?
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-23 13:10

If this happened, it is not brave, it is刷鞋

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-23 19:54

I still remember I listened to my teachers more than I listened to my parents and other people when I was in elementary school. Therefore, I won’t under estimate the power of influence the teachers can have on my children
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-23 13:10

你讀旺角勞工子弟小學？

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-23 19:59

You misunderstood what I said. I said my children are young and they might lack the knowledge, experience and analytical skills to form their own opinions especially on political topics. Therefore, I don't want my children to be influenced by their teachers’ own political views.
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-23 16:22

that means you want your child to follow your footsteps, no matter it is right or wrong, just listen to what father say? Just like you listen to what your father said? Your father listen to the grandfather said

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-5-23 20:04

please don't generalize those who didn't vote are against 五區公投.
There are people like me are voters in HK but not vote because I am not in HK and I support 五區公投.
sheep 發表於 2010-5-24 11:38

咁你所講既呢類人為數唔係咁多乍woh...

我幫理不幫襯, 泛民應該要為呢一次公投既投票率而檢討, 而唔係一味話比人打壓, 咁唔work 的.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-23 20:10

咁你所講既呢類人為數唔係咁多乍woh...
我幫理不幫襯, 泛民應該要為呢一次公投既投票率而檢討, 而唔係 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-5-23 20:04

你又知唔知有幾多香港人去咗大陸做野
又冇時間返去投票㗎

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 20:20

回復 MAXIMUS
原來如此﹐閣下身世可悲﹐年幼時被人趕完一次又一次﹐被逼著要離鄉別井。
現在長大了﹐但因 ...
soli 發表於 2010-5-23 19:17

Why you are here then?
Working for CCP to promote Chinese achievement?
What kind of passport you use to enter Canada?
Our family despised CCP and they left China after the Great Cultural Revolution,
then emigrated to Canada before 97. You are CCP's dog

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-23 20:29

回復 81# MAXIMUS

SOIL 係泥地底泥
賤過SOIL 即係賤過地底泥
就係 SOLI

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-23 20:29

本帖最後由 MAXIMUS 於 2010-5-23 20:31 編輯

Why Li Ka-Sing and Fok Ying-tung left China?You insulted all the enterpreneurs fled China to HK

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-5-23 21:26

你又知唔知有幾多香港人去咗大陸做野
又冇時間返去投票㗎
sheep 發表於 2010-5-24 12:10

2008立法會投票既時候, 都有人去咗大陸做野又冇時間返去投票㗎.
2008立法會投票既時候, 都有人唔係香港啦.

做羊講下道理好woh...

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-5-23 21:29

Why you are here then?
Working for CCP to promote Chinese achievement?
What kind of passport you us ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-24 12:20

唔係人人都好似你地咁幸福, 可以話走就走架.
如果有能力既話, 6.4 之後我都想離開香港, 因為當年真係好怕共產黨.
可惜, 我呢d 窮等人家只可以繼續"情繫香港", 見步行步. so far, 都未至於感覺到比共產黨迫害既, lucky~

作者: soli 時間: 2010-5-24 06:57

Why Li Ka-Sing and Fok Ying-tung left China?You insulted all the enterpreneurs fled China to HK
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-23 20:29

哈哈﹐喪家犬別自抬身價啦。
人地邊度有大錢賺就去邊度﹐得閒就返下大陸接受貴賓式待遇。
邊好似你同你父母咁﹐聽到中共就腳軟﹐要斷六親敗走加拿大。
唔敢返香港﹐淨係識隔住太平洋向大陸吠丫。

剛剛想到句俗語﹐叫“會吠的狗不咬人”。
當然啦﹐喪家之犬又怎敢咬人﹐還會吠就已經很不錯了?

對於喪家犬既無力感﹐我對此深表同情~

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-5-24 10:04

Second, do you know this 變相公投 has no opposition? Could you tell me how would I be able to say “NO” to against變相公投行動 other than not vote since any vote (include blank votes and votes to another person who does not be long to 公民兩黨) will be counted as supports to their action.

I will be waiting for your answer to tell me what I can do if I want to say no to this 變相公投行動 other than not voting.
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-23 17:43

賤精，毓民由始至終都只係話會計（亦只係計咗）公社兩黨同埋大專2012 嘅票作為支持公投。投其他人嘅票同白票就唔會（亦無）計入支持公投嘅行列，亦即係算為反對公投嘅票。所以就算響九龍東只有梁家傑同埋 2012個大專生作為候選人，市民要表達反對公投嘅話亦可以投白票。

你要扭曲事實來抹黑今次公投運動就唔該你死開啲！而且呢個 point 你、Peter、定 Soli 呢三隻賤之前已經嘗試講過，但我亦經已指正你嘅謬論。

唔該你早日去死啦。

-力

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-5-24 10:43

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-5-24 10:49 編輯

賤精，毓民由始至終都只係話會計（亦只係計咗）公社兩黨同埋大專2012 嘅票作為支持公投。投其他人嘅票同白 ...
Lik 發表於 2010-5-24 10:04

Did you have 失憶症? I understand some people suffer from short-term memory lost due to mental anxiety of wanting to avoid facing some bad experiences.

Didn’t I tell you 公社兩黨 measured their success by the number of votes they got and the turn-out rate of voters (投票率)? When they measured voter’s turn-out rate, didn’t they mean they will count everyone no matter that person cast blank vote or voted to someone else? Didn't they say 投票率 reached 25% is 大勝 and 30% is 重大大勝?

I had showed you the quotes from news and you read it. In case you still could not recall, here is the link. What I said is in post #13.

http://www.loyaukee.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=14452&page=2

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-24 10:55

回復 86# soli

會吠的狗不咬人

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-5-24 13:51

I had showed you the quotes from news and you read it. In case you still could not recall, here is the link. What I said is in post #13.
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-24 10:43

Refer to post #28 la, Stupid.

http://www.loyaukee.com/forum/vi ... p;extra=&page=3

-Lik

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-24 14:17

你又知唔知有幾多香港人去咗大陸做野
又冇時間返去投票㗎
sheep 發表於 2010-5-23 20:10

You moron, why don't you go back to vote? You people just lost the vote and just admit it. It was a money wasting vote that few people were interested.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-5-24 15:40

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-5-24 15:42 編輯

Refer to post #28 la, Stupid.

-Lik
Lik 發表於 2010-5-24 13:51

Before you argue who is stupid. Just tell it clearly to everyone.

When 公社兩黨 said they would measure their success based on voter turn-out rate (投票率), was it true that they meant they would count every vote as long as it was cast regarless it is blank or a vote to any candidate?

JUST TELL EVERYONE PLAINLY. DON'T AVOID IT!!! JUST "YES" OR "NO" WILL DO!!!

作者: tofu 時間: 2010-5-24 16:35

唔係人人都好似你地咁幸福, 可以話走就走架.
如果有能力既話, 6.4 之後我都想離開香港, 因為當年真係好怕 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-5-23 21:29

i remember you said you were in primary school and knew nothing about 6/4 at the time of 6/4. but now you said you were scared of 共產黨 and want to leave hk.
if you really want to leave hk, you should not in hk now.

作者: tofu 時間: 2010-5-24 16:55

回復 49# rockypath

not sure where did you get the info about any vote is counting as support their action.
but here is the info. from 黃毓民
他解釋說，他所推動的「五區總辭」，即在香港的五大區（香港、九龍東、九龍西、新界東及新界西），每區有一位泛民立法會議員辭職，出現五個空缺席位，然後會進行補選。在補選時，由泛民設定一個議題，即是否要實行二零一二雙普選，當選民投票予泛民參選者，便是支持二零一二年雙普選。也就是說，對二零一二年是否雙普選作變相公投。當五區泛民議員再次當選，即代表二零一二雙普選具有相當的民意基礎。這對特區政府和中央政府會造成極大的壓力，並在國際間引起廣泛的關注。

according to the above paragraph, if you want to show you are not supporting them, you should vote for the opposition, like 白姐姐

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-5-24 17:28

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-5-24 17:29 編輯

回復 rockypath

not sure where did you get the info about any vote is counting as support their ac ...
tofu 發表於 2010-5-24 16:55

Tofu,

Have you read our discussion? Did you spend sometime to search the news?

This topic I have repeat in again and again and give the source of information again and again. I am tired of doing that already.

In a sake of helping you, here is the google link to help you start searching the news, and please help yourself to understand the issue.

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&q=%E ... fp=6bfe9b72666f918d

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-5-24 17:44

i remember you said you were in primary school and knew nothing about 6/4 at the time of 6/4. but now you said you were scared of 共產黨 and want to leave hk.
if you really want to leave hk, you should not in hk now.
tofu 發表於 2010-5-25 08:35

tofu 姐, 你記錯喇~ 6.4果陣, 小弟已經小六, 唔會唔知道發生左乜野事既. 只係6.4之前, 小弟覺得香港好太平, 冇乜點理香港有冇民主, 更加冇理97回歸. 事件發生左之後, 香港人草木皆兵, 個個對共產黨既行為聞之色變, 小弟話哂當代既尖子學生, 大人們既眉目眼額都識睇既, 一睇就知人人都擔心回歸之後冇好日子過啦~
之後幾年, 係香港人既移民潮, 升上中學既小弟眼見一個又一個同學離開(其中一個o係LYK既資深會員), 確實係唔捨得. 當然, 小弟明白以自己同家人既能力, 根本冇可能離開, 所以繼續"情繫香港"咁law. 好彩係隨著時間一秒一秒咁過去, 小弟及香港人對回歸既恐懼慢慢減退, 而於97時, 大部分香港人係開心多於憂慮的.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-5-24 17:51

according to the above paragraph, if you want to show you are not supporting them, you should vote for the opposition, like 白姐姐
tofu 發表於 2010-5-25 08:55

呢個就係致命傷...

我d 西九朋友, 個個都唔去投票. 佢地不約而同咁同我講:"我唔支持公投(但又支持普通同廢除功能組別架woh), 唔想投黃毓民, 不過我更加唔想投白姐姐. 所以我決定唔去投票, 以表示我對公社兩黨搞呢次公投既不滿."

香港人, 好多都接受唔到今次係一次公投, 而只係當呢次係一次補選咁看待架乍.

作者: tofu 時間: 2010-5-24 17:55

回復 96# mcjohnjohn

6.4果陣, 小弟已經小六
is 小六 still primary school?

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-5-24 17:57

回復 mcjohnjohn

6.4果陣, 小弟已經小六
is 小六 still primary school?
tofu 發表於 2010-5-25 09:55

maybe I should type in English. you were correct that I was a primary school student. Where you were wrong was:
"knew nothing about 6/4 at the time of 6/4"
understand?

作者: tofu 時間: 2010-5-24 18:02

回復 95# rockypath

i did read lik and your posts, that is why i googled the background of 五區總辭. and this is what i find from mr. wong speech. still not able to find any doc. to support your definition of 五區總辭(any vote is count on their side).

but just common sense, if none of them can get back the seat, no matter how many people are going to vote, they are the losers la.

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