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作者: 吳孟達 時間: 2010-7-30 08:43 標題: 1 arrested in Richmond racist graffiti case

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british ... acist-graffiti.html

See this comment, omG

If they want to live in, shop in and work in a fully Chinese speaking community, then expect the locals to get up set. I have been to these various malls and frankly, as a white person, I was rudely ignored and shunned. So i left and don't give them my business.
As for "Hate Crime" ... oh please. this is just the local boys and girls reacting to their home being taken over by wealthy out-of-state people who have no wish to join us in Canada, no they want to make their own little bit of China in Richmond. The enclave in Richmond should consider being more Canadian and maybe less of these kids will feel this way.
This is not Racism ... it is not the race of Chinese these kids are against, it is the culture of wealthy asian's who bring their entire extended families to live here in Canada, use our public system health and wealfare system, yet the $$$ earner still lives in Hong Kong so they pay no tax yet cost the system dearly.
How should we "Push Back" against these types of things? How would SUCCESS like the unhappy displaced locals to act? what things have the ChiCom community done to intergrate into Richmond? All I see are endless streets of mainly chicom signs and a lot of people who can't speak one of the two official languages.
We need to work together, all sides to learn to live together, all sides learning to adjust their ideas of fair play. Accept our differences and take the best from all.

Or we can keep going the way we are, wait for the MLF to start their defensive operations and hope there is enough left in the ashes to rebuild from.

MapleLeafForever!

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british ... ments#ixzz0vBVscaNa

作者: 吳孟達 時間: 2010-7-30 08:49

see all the comments, some are very good, some are bad..

Some white canadian seems don't like the current chinese-style Richmond..

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2010-7-30 09:11

Well then, stop their European style of living, along with their generations of European extended families, from ruining native soils then.

Canada is about multi-cultural. Every unique culture that departs from how Canada traditionally was, makes what Canada will be. It's just a part of it.

There is an organization that targets people who rips off public health and wealfare system, but pays no taxes because their earners are out of the country. It's called the CRA.

作者: Arlui 時間: 2010-7-30 09:12

funny....because they did the same to the aboriginals here couple hundred years ago....;)

作者: 吳孟達 時間: 2010-7-30 09:20

If there is a Japanese mall, German mall, Italian mall in Richmond, I will be more than happy than complaint....

作者: 吳孟達 時間: 2010-7-30 09:24

Some of their points are true, but just the white people can not accept the fact.

Eg, Wealthy Chinese took over many nice lands and houses, use the local education and health system. But they are not living in Canada and pay a little bit of taxes...

I am a new comer in Richmond from 10 years ago. I also don't like the fact that there are so many wealthy mainland Chinese driving their stupid N sign exotic cars in Richmond. But it is the reality, I should just accept it and find the way to enjoy the life in Canada. No one ask you to deal with those people...

The problem for White people is that they almost forgot they also took the land from native and they think their race and english/french should be the only thing in Canada. Any one who is not their race or speaking english/french are the outsider...

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-7-30 09:34

See this comment, omG
吳孟達發表於 2010-7-30 08:43

Some of the points in there are entirely valid; of course, a lot of it is utter crap as well.
There is certainly resentment among locals (and not just among Caucasians) that real estate prices are boosted up to unreachable heights because of wealthy immigrants (with Mainland Chinese being a major driving force there). Heck, as a typical Canadian, I am upset about that too. So this kind of resentment is understandable. It is also understandable that some people are pissed off because some (a lot of?) new immigrants seemingly have little desire to integrate into mainstream society. Most infuriating is that:

it is the culture of wealthy asian's who bring their entire extended families to live here in Canada, use our public system health and wealfare system, yet the $$$ earner still lives in Hong Kong so they pay no tax yet cost the system dearly.

We all know how true and common this is in our society. The spirit of equality behind the Canadian government's social programs is to help those in need of them, and the system is continually being taken advantage of by many who obviously need it the least. So again, the frustration is entirely understandable.

Of course, despite the fact that the cause of resentment is entirely understandable, that does not make any of the racist action by these idiots acceptable.

The easy thing to say is that we need to better educate everyone involved -- how multiculturalism is important to Canadian values; how new immigrants need to integrate themselves into mainstream society and not just remain within their little ethnic community, etc. But that is all very easy to say, but rather difficult to implement and execute.

I wish my sociology background is stronger so that I would have some better insights.

-Lik

作者: B仔 時間: 2010-7-30 10:26

SOME POINTS ARE TRUE。。。

我同事走入PARKER睇野，行入間鋪，個C9 SALES 同佢講：NO NO NO。。。NOTHING HERE FOR YOU，GO GO GO。。。
所以，佢發誓呢世唔會去唐人MALL

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-7-30 11:02

SOME POINTS ARE TRUE。。。

我同事走入PARKER睇野，行入間鋪，個C9 SALES 同佢講：NO NO NO。。。NOTHING ...
B仔發表於 2010-7-30 10:26

What the..... (I assume your 同事 is non-Chinese).

Is what the C9 said? Will she cry out loud for being discriminated if she was told in the same way in western malls? Shame on these C9.

作者: chunsh 時間: 2010-7-30 11:05

SOME POINTS ARE TRUE。。。

我同事走入PARKER睇野，行入間鋪，個C9 SALES 同佢講：NO NO NO。。。NOTHING ...
B仔發表於 2010-7-30 10:26

well, I tihnk you 同事's attitude is not right either
think, if some white local canadian be rude to us ONCE or TWICE(in fact, I never encounter such case, which is lucky for me, but for those people who newly moved from Europe, that is another story), should we vow to ourselves that we should leave canada and move back to asia?

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-7-30 11:13

funny....because they did the same to the aboriginals here couple hundred years ago....;)
Arlui 發表於 2010-7-30 09:12

They are still discriminating against the aboriginals now.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-7-30 11:21

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-7-30 11:22 編輯

Some of the points in there are entirely valid; of course, a lot of it is utter crap as well.
There ...
Lik 發表於 2010-7-30 09:34

If these mainland China people are so rich like you said, then when they bought their $2 million+ homes, very nice cars and other luxuries, the GST that they pay to the government will be way more than you will ever pay.

But remember, there are rich immigrants from other countries driving up real estate prices as well. But we tend to fixate on just the rich Chinese immigrants and on just Richmond. Broaden your horizon please.

作者: Guy 時間: 2010-7-30 11:28

honestly, I like places with less Chinese....i felt more pleasant.

Chinese likes to talk so loud; yell at the cell phone; yell across a quiet mall; yell when you don't need to yell.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-7-30 11:34

honestly, I like places with less Chinese....i felt more pleasant.

Chinese likes to talk so loud; ...
Guy 發表於 2010-7-30 11:28

That's not true at all.

作者: chunsh 時間: 2010-7-30 11:42

That's not true at all.
peter236 發表於 2010-7-30 11:34

no peter, Guy was right
well, we are what we are. I am Chinese and in many chinese mall, we heard yelling, or whatever, but I don't think there is too much problem about it. People making noise in different kind of public places. local people like to make noise in bar and in western style restaurants and I don't think it is a problem either

作者: B仔 時間: 2010-7-30 12:00

回復 9# rockypath

係呀，我同事係白人。個PARKER C9 真係咁同佢講呀。。。

作者: B仔 時間: 2010-7-30 12:02

回復 13# Guy

X2~!

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2010-7-30 12:25

本帖最後由布小熊於 2010-7-30 12:29 編輯

SOME POINTS ARE TRUE。。。
我同事走入PARKER睇野，行入間鋪，個C9 SALES 同佢講：NO NO NO。。。NOTHING ...
B仔發表於 2010-7-30 10:26 AM

OMG.... that's so wrong.
Sometimes, I feel bad for my coworkers when we go out for lunch in Richmond. (most of them are not Chinese or don't read Chinese)
A lot of restaurants do not have a proper English menu or none at all or they have lots of items on the wall that is Chinese only.
Isn't expending business to the mainstream better for the shops??

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-7-30 12:27

回復 rockypath

係呀，我同事係白人。個PARKER C9 真係咁同佢講呀。。。
B仔發表於 2010-7-30 12:00

This C9 not only made herself shameful, but other fellow Chinese as well.

If we want people to respect us as Chinese, we can at least be respectful to other people who are non-Chinese.

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-7-30 12:34

OMG.... that's so wrong.
Sometimes, I feel bad for my coworkers when we go out for lunch in Richmon ...
布小熊發表於 2010-7-30 12:25

Perhaps a lot of places already think they have enough business, so they don't feel the need to expand. For example, if a tea restaurant is already packed during its busy hours, what additional incentive do they have to expand into the mainstream market?

Then again, I always think people who don't know about tea restaurants are missing out because they offer such good value (even though they aren't the healthiest food...)

-Lik

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-7-30 13:46

no peter, Guy was right
well, we are what we are. I am Chinese and in many chinese mall, we heard ...
chunsh 發表於 2010-7-30 11:42

The Europeans yell in all kinds of places in Europe, US etc.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-7-30 13:49

OMG.... that's so wrong.
Sometimes, I feel bad for my coworkers when we go out for lunch in Richmon ...
布小熊發表於 2010-7-30 12:25

Which restaurants do not have proper English menu?
All dim sum restaurants, HK styles cafe or wonton noodle houses that I have been to have detail English names in their menu.

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2010-7-30 14:00

A Caucasian walks into a Chinese mall and got discriminated against by a low life C9. If this makes some of the Caucasians to even bat an eye to the idea that they should retaliate by discriminating Chinese people in general, that just makes Caucaisians who think that way a low life.

I just despise of racial discrimination in general. But before pointing fingers at Caucassians, from day to day, I actually see more discriminations carried out by fellow Chinese people. I am especialy infuriated when I see fellow Chinese Canadians, especially younger ones who are educated in higiher education system in Canada, to make degardtory remarks against Caucasian Canadians. Inconspicuous comments like 'Canadians are more laid back, lazy, non-competitive' often run amok even in this very forum. Such stereotype ridiculous. Just that not every Canadian tries to rip each other off and not make a bubble out of every hot asset doesn't make every one of these people 'uncompetitve and lazy'. I have seen lazy Caucassian Canadians, but I've also seen plenty of lazy and useless Chinese, doesn't characterise either ethnicity in general either way.

作者: ushush 時間: 2010-7-30 22:36

well.. this C9 story is very one sided wor, most chinese will make every penny they can, no matter what skin colour the customer is. there may be some attitude problems, or some misunderstand happened b4 she said that.
some (not all) caucasian treat others (other than their own skin colour) as lower being.
I see a case myself not too long ago at a chinese food count, there was a caucasian family of 6 (parents & 4 kids), the father bought a $3.75 bowl of noodle from one of the vender, when he pick up the noodle, he ask "give me 6 pairs of chopsticks" (no "please" no "thanks"), the vender gave him one more pair, then he raise his voice with very rude and demanding attitude "which part you don't understand? I said I need 6 pairs!!!" the vender was very 無耐 and gave him 6 pairs (still no "please" nor "thank you"), after he grab his 6 pairs, he still 超住 the vender with his mouth moving (saying something but i couldnt hear) while walking back to his table, and then with a big smile to his family "got you guys souvenirs"....
I mean, how much the vender is making out of that $3.75 noodle?? had he ever consider that??
and imagine what he will tell his friends and families about his experience in a chinese mall food court!
"chinese dont understand english"?
"being ignore by chinese vender"??
"chinese so cheap that wouldnt give out their cheap chopsticks"???

作者: B仔 時間: 2010-7-31 03:19

this C9 story is very one sided ushush 發表於 2010-7-30 22:36

呢個STORY好間單：
西人女人，去PARKER，行入某鋪諗住睇睇野，聲都未出，就比人嗌都嗌唔切NO NO NO， GO GO GO。
呢位西人女士，冇種族歧視的心態，工作方面接觸好多中國人，佢請我做我個位，其中一個主要原因係因為我識中文，可以幫助英文唔係好好嘅客。

另一方面睇睇。。。
公司BOARD有唐人，有西人。
某唐人DIRECTOR，係RICHMOND商界很活躍嘅商人（如果UP名，我諗你地有8／10個知佢係乜水）。。。7／10次上嚟公司，只會同公司嘅CHINESE同事SAY HI，對西人同事就。。。掂行掂過，PARKER事件仲的西人女同事，就係其中一位收到這種對代。
話說有事要聯絡我公司，呢位DIRECTOR 8／10都係經另外一位唐人同事（唐人同事係冇權渣FIT）。。。但係佢好清楚知道，這些事，係應該直接DEAL WITH個位西人女同事。係，我明有時同聲同氣好傾D。不過，對其他人都要有禮貌掛。。。同埋，都唔好係公司度，係西人面前講中文，唔係咁好。就算人地知道你唔係講緊人壞話，都要比返少少尊重人，呢度係多元文化，但係此終係加拿大。

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-7-31 09:31

有個幾搞笑嘅話
唐人唔會請白種人做野
但係白種人會請唐人做野
生意佬就最現實
邊個幫佢可以做更多生意就請邊個
邊啲人係你嘅目標顧客你就會請佢種族嘅人幫手㗎啦
生意上係好明顯
完全無種族歧視因素在

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-7-31 13:28

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-7-31 13:30 編輯

呢個STORY好間單：
西人女人，去PARKER，行入某鋪諗住睇睇野，聲都未出，就比人嗌都嗌唔切NO NO NO， GO ...
B仔發表於 2010-7-31 03:19

The is no way that people will drive away potential customers.

1) You should go to that shop in Parker Place, and try to talk those people there and find out why they did that.

2) Then come back here and report to us what happened at Parker Place. We need to do something about this to improve ourselves.

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2010-7-31 13:45

Richmond is not a good place for new immigrant to start reside in. It just like a cage (way too many Chinese). It won't help them accustom to real Canadian way of living.

作者: B仔 時間: 2010-7-31 18:16

The is no way that people will drive away potential customers.

1) You should go to that shop in P ...
peter236 發表於 2010-7-31 13:28

1. Parker C9 don't speak English, don't want to try, don't want hassle & trouble
2. Already did

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-7-31 19:22

1. Parker C9 don't speak English, don't want to try, don't want hassle & trouble
2. Already did ...
B仔發表於 2010-7-31 18:16

1) If Parker C9 don't speak English, but you can speak Chinese to them. You should ask that store, did they really told their customers to go away.

2) Please report back here what happened.

作者: 嘉嘉 時間: 2010-7-31 19:28

1) If Parker C9 don't speak English, but you can speak Chinese to them. You should ask that store, ...
peter236 發表於 2010-7-31 19:22

B仔SHOULD?

why should she?

作者: B仔 時間: 2010-8-1 02:14

B仔SHOULD?

why should she?
嘉嘉發表於 2010-7-31 19:28

I don't speak Chinese to Chinese who don't respect and try to speak English in an English society

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-8-1 03:12

I don't speak Chinese to Chinese who don't respect and try to speak English in an English society ...
B仔發表於 2010-8-1 02:14

I am just saying we can try to communicate with the C9 at Parker Place and try to educate them how to improve their manners. That's what I meant.
So, if you are unwilling to do so (unwilling to speak Chinese or unwilling to help our community to improve), then fine. But please tell us which store at Parker, so we can do it for the community.

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2010-8-1 13:35

I am just saying we can try to communicate with the C9 at Parker Place and try to educate them how ...
peter236 發表於 2010-8-1 03:12

support you

讲得好

作者: jeje 時間: 2010-8-2 02:55

honestly, I like places with less Chinese....i felt more pleasant.

Chinese likes to talk so loud; ...
Guy 發表於 2010-7-30 11:28

How about Korean? They don't care about others whatever who they are.

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2010-8-2 10:17

回復 35# jeje

The Korean are loud (just a couple in the group) but they are not as loud as the Chinese which speak like yelling...

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-8-2 10:49

回復 jeje

The Korean are loud (just a couple in the group) but they are not as loud as the Chines ...
lo_pak 發表於 2010-8-2 10:17

That's not true at all. Chinese don't yell intentionally when speaking. The Chinese are just using their language the way it is.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-8-2 10:57

都好難怪，廣東話嘅音量本身就比較大，啲聲音又好崛，聽唔明嘅人係會覺得吵耳啲嘅。

講開又講，昨日喺Whistler，有三位操內地口音普通話人士，一行過嚟就走去同個景點影相。完全無諗過要排隊。
點解被人歧視，都唔係事出無因。

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2010-8-2 15:17

回復 38# fibbi

It's a discipline issue and cultural education.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-8-2 15:59

回復 39# lo_pak

hopefully it will improve after SOME years...

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2010-8-2 22:07

回復 40# fibbi

At least 1 generation... If they still keep 1 kid policy (which spoil kid as the usual rule) and if they still keep what they used to live, I see no future...

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-8-2 22:23

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-8-2 22:31 編輯

回復 fibbi

At least 1 generation... If they still keep 1 kid policy (which spoil kid as the usual ...
lo_pak 發表於 2010-8-2 22:07

The so-called "one child policy" is only for people in the cities, not for those people in rural areas. Rural people can have more than one child. Also, couples who are the only child in their families, can have more than one child. Also, many people just pay some "fine" to have more than one child, or just for pay the children's education themselves. So there are so many exceptions to the rule.

For those who do not know about the exceptions of the one child policy, please read here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/25/world/asia/25shanghai.html

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-8-2 22:26

都好難怪，廣東話嘅音量本身就比較大，啲聲音又好崛，聽唔明嘅人係會覺得吵耳啲嘅。

講開又講，昨日喺Whis ...
fibbi 發表於 2010-8-2 10:57

That is not true at all. I saw some of them, and they were polite and queued up.

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2010-8-2 22:38

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2010-8-2 22:48 編輯

回復 43# peter236

As you can tell, you say some of them but not most of them... Same as you, I see some of them are really polite but most of them are pretty "rude" (or at least, casually impolite...)

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-8-2 22:43

回復 peter236

As you can tell, you say some of them but not most of them...
lo_pak 發表於 2010-8-2 22:38

What I meat was, I saw some people from mainland China, they were all polite and queued up.

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2010-8-2 22:58

回復 42# peter236

From what you said it sounds like you are pretty xinhuaized... My goodness,,,

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-8-3 00:25

回復 43# peter236

你又憑咩話not true？你見識唔到無manner嘅人係你嘅幸運。我都唔會話所有嘅人都無manner，但係我昨日所見就係有人冇排隊。

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-8-3 03:04

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-8-3 03:05 編輯

都好難怪，廣東話嘅音量本身就比較大，啲聲音又好崛，聽唔明嘅人係會覺得吵耳啲嘅。

講開又講，昨日喺Whis ...
fibbi 發表於 2010-8-2 10:57

We are going to stand firmly behind our Cantonese dialect. We do not need to care what foreign detractors think about Cantonese.

作者: Davidcopperfeel 時間: 2010-8-4 02:58

本帖最後由 Davidcopperfeel 於 2010-8-4 03:12 編輯

Canada is for everyone(any skin color) if you're canadian citizen than you're Canadian.  White people never "own" this place. They were once moved in here from europe/stats/other places. I've been living here almost 20 years.  From my experienced many white people that hate the asians are because some asians are more wealthy than they do.
For example when some asians drive BMW/Benz/Porsche/Lexus ...fancy cars.  The white will just hate us because of that.

A poor white once asked me how da f did you get your porsche?  I said Get a better job or better parents that worked their ass off for you.

作者: Davidcopperfeel 時間: 2010-8-4 03:08

本帖最後由 Davidcopperfeel 於 2010-8-4 03:10 編輯

都好難怪，廣東話嘅音量本身就比較大，啲聲音又好崛，聽唔明嘅人係會覺得吵耳啲嘅。

講開又講，昨日喺Whis ...
fibbi 發表於 2010-8-2 10:57

Agree

Many mainland chinese here are fking up the image of "Chinese"
When ppl ask me where i come from i would tell them i come from "HongKong" ...."before 97" and i'll explain to them the difference between hongkong chinese and the mainland chinese people. Different languages / Different Laws / Different money / Different education / Different living style / Different manners / Different common sense

Will anyone of you here that born and raise in Hongkong(including your both parents) will tell people that " You come from Mainland China?" even hk is part of china now.

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