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標題: [中餐館] 自從HST以后，有些餐館把小費也打進餐單了 [打印本頁]
作者: myversa    時間: 2010-9-27 10:04     標題: 自從HST以后，有些餐館把小費也打進餐單了

Be careful.  Always read the bill first.

http://www.westca.com/Forums/viewtopic/t=314976/lang=schinese.html


近兩個月以來，我都是在溫東的Hastins/Kingsway/Main街等路段的中餐館、面館與卡拉OK的朋友用餐后，由於AA分賬，看賬單時發現除了HST，還有Tips，還好，Tips部分，都是按10%餐費算的，所以也沒有什麼可說的。
若沒仔細看賬單，付費之后額外再付小費，就會成了個大爺了。
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2010-9-27 10:37

They did not put HST on your tip!
作者: 匿名    時間: 2010-9-27 10:45

Can we create a list of these restaurants here? So that everyone can be careful when we visit them?
作者: myversa    時間: 2010-9-27 10:52

They did not put HST on your tip!
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-9-27 10:37


no but some restaurants put tip on the bill.  It is fine but as long as you do not pay extra unnecessary tips.
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2010-9-27 11:00

回復 3# 匿名

Splendid idea!
作者: 匿名    時間: 2010-9-27 11:11

no but some restaurants put tip on the bill.  It is fine but as long as you do not pay extra unnec ...
myversa 發表於 2010-9-27 10:52


很容易習慣性地在打 5%-10% 小費﹐所以必須看清楚帳單。。。
恐怕造成一個 NORM﹐像 HK﹐好多飯店已經自動加 10% TIPS﹐我們再給 5% 就變了小費 15% 了。。。很多時在這邊做慣手勢﹐回到 HK 也不期然自動在帳單上多給 10%﹐我猜那些飯店已掩著嘴笑
作者: lesbee    時間: 2010-9-27 11:25

as long as they include the tips B4 HST, it would be a great idea!
作者: CWong    時間: 2010-9-27 11:29

食少啲就自然俾少啲！
作者: sko    時間: 2010-9-27 12:31

Autograts.. Parties of six or eight… Kobe Teppanyaki, and many more.

Fine if the autograt was 10% to 12%; that’s standard tipping. And if the overall service was exceptional, you can always tip over the autograt. But some restaurants have autograts between 18-22%. And with new HST implemented… Voala—ouch.

Funny how bf and I were just talking about this topic last night. So is the practice of autograt legal in Canada?

Unless the restaurant actually has an ‘autograt policy’ in its menu (labelled as a service charge in lieu of the optional gratuity), the restaurant cannot automatically add gratuity to your bill. And if they have this policy… they better be adding the same service charge for all tables with the same prerequisites or that’s just discrimination.

Tipping is not mandatory in Canada, but eating in a restaurant also means entering in a contract. A contract, obviously works both sides. The restaurant is obligated to provide the service and food as listed in its menu, and you are contractually obligated to pay for your meal (including the autograt if it was listed in the menu). But of course, the contract is also breached if the restaurant did not deliver the service. So legal or not… hard to say.
作者: sko    時間: 2010-9-27 12:36

And if I see a 20% autograt on my bill, the restaurant better be reporting that tip/gratuity to the CRA.
作者: Catpiano    時間: 2010-9-27 16:48

按10%餐費算的 .. that is good ga la..  

Many rests ..  put 15-18% !!  
作者: Prelude    時間: 2010-9-27 17:12

10% is probably the standard for Chinese restaurants.
15%+ is the standard for Western restaurants, unless it's ghetto one.
作者: yayaya    時間: 2010-9-27 19:17

hst之前已经有不少餐馆o甘做
作者: Guy    時間: 2010-9-27 21:19

any lawyers here/?

can anyone answer.. it is against the law when we are not paying the tip when it is listed?
If so i will pay cash and refuse deduce the tips amount.


i pay 15-20% usually...max 20% ... if service is poor but acceptable at 10%
but when there is a poor service ... i give no tips at all.
作者: sko    時間: 2010-9-27 23:03

No lawyer yet, but like I said before, it's not so much a 'legal or not' issue.. but rather a civil wrong. In this case, the conduct would be the breaching of contract between the restaurant and the diner. It is entirely up the victim (server or diner) to assemble the evidence and formulate the the legal arguments which will be necessary in order to support their claims, and to decide whether to bring proceedings in the courts.

So if the restaurant stated the gratuity as a 'service charge,' and it was presented clearly on the menu or by your server, then you should have a good reason to challenge the charge/contract before you pay less. Note that many restaurant bills had changed "gratuity charges" to "service charges" because gratuities are legally stated as "optional" while service charges are not if written clearly before you order.


any lawyers here/?

can anyone answer.. it is against the law when we are not paying the tip when it ...
Guy 發表於 2010-9-27 21:19
作者: Guy    時間: 2010-9-29 03:59

well..... I would just want to pay for the things that are i ordered and recieved.

if i have not received it, i wont pay for it.
作者: myversa    時間: 2010-9-29 06:01

Is it possible to ask to deduct the tips if they have already included in the bill and their service is horrible?
作者: haha72    時間: 2010-9-29 23:31

Sanafir on Granville... 20% service charge in bill. Watch out!
作者: sheep    時間: 2010-9-30 17:33

Sanafir on Granville... 20% service charge in bill. Watch out!
haha72 發表於 2010-9-29 23:31



    so you are one of the food critics, right?
作者: myversa    時間: 2010-10-4 08:12

I went to Chili House Thai restaurant restaurant and they automatically add 15% to the bill.

If you paid by credit card, there is a line for gratitude too.  If I did not read the fine print from the menu, I would have put another 10% to the bill.
作者: sko    時間: 2010-10-4 12:30

same thing for thai house..
I went to Chili House Thai restaurant restaurant and they automatically add 15% to the bill.

If you ...
myversa 發表於 2010-10-4 08:12
作者: myversa    時間: 2010-10-4 12:58

same thing for thai house..
sko 發表於 2010-10-4 12:30


I had to take my iphone out and calculate to see if they did include the tips.  I did not want to leave 0 as tips.  The fine print is very small.
作者: et1984    時間: 2010-10-13 16:09

I do know some restaurants do this but not all though and I think mostly westerns and if with a group or people being served.



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