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作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-10-5 13:42 標題: 變性人爭婚權敗訴決上訴

【明報專訊】由男變女的35歲變性人W，就婚姻註冊處拒絕她與男友結婚一事提出司法覆核，昨日被判敗訴，高院指變性人婚姻實非兩口子的事，而「變性女人」究竟是否屬於「女人」，還需取得社會共識，然而目前既然未能肯定社會對變性婚姻的接受程度，法庭亦無法干預。
More details here:
http://news.mingpao.com/20101006/gba1.htm

I think it doesn't make sense. When the ID card already specifies W is "girl", why can't she get married? What do you think?

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-10-5 17:33

我會咁理解呢件事。先撇除同性婚姻呢個課題﹐本身結婚係香港任何人只要到合法年齡或得家長同意而又相方情同意合之下就可以發生並且有法律效力。除左一個人犯法﹐要坐監﹐就會喪失呢D基本權利。但係香港又接受呢個變性人批准以女性身份做香港居民﹐而呢位W小姐又無犯法﹐點解無啦啦會失去結婚呢個基本人權呢? 我覺得邏輯上講唔通囉。

-- 支持W小姐上訴嘅C小姐

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-10-5 18:26

個官基本上否認左變性女人係女人呢件事.
基於香港法律, 結婚係一男一女既結合. 變性女人唔係女人, 所以無法同一個男人結婚.

唔知變性女人可唔可以同女人結婚呢?

作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2010-10-5 19:15

go too far la~
do u (as a woman) allow shemale go to women washroom?

作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2010-10-5 19:16

我會咁理解呢件事。先撇除同性婚姻呢個課題﹐本身結婚係香港任何人只要到合法年齡或得家長同意而又相方情同 ...
大C姐發表於 2010-10-5 17:33

trying 2 talk for urself

!!!!! NO WAY !!!!!

作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2010-10-5 19:19

[catpiano mode] chi la sin

作者: tiffiant 時間: 2010-10-5 19:20

i wish people would have happy ending on this

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-10-5 19:23

除左一個人犯法﹐要坐監﹐就會喪失呢D基本權利。但係香港又接受呢個變性人批准以女性身份做香港居民﹐而呢位W小姐又無犯法﹐點解無啦啦會失去結婚呢個基本人權呢?
大C姐發表於 2010-10-5 17:33

有冇聽書？
法官判
性別嘅訂定
係佢出世嗰陣時
係男定係女
唔係變咗係乜就係乜
知冇

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-10-5 19:37

有冇聽書？
法官判
性別嘅訂定
係佢出世嗰陣時
係男定係女
唔係變咗係乜就係乜
知冇 ...
sheep 發表於 2010-10-6 11:23

問題唔係聽唔聽書... 係你認唔認同個官咁講.

我出世嗰陣時係男, 而家變左性, 政府又同我o係身份證上改左個性別, 我滿以為自己已經被政府認同我係女人啦! 點知而家同我講我出世嗰陣時係男人, 咁就唔可以同另一個男人結婚, 你係唔係玩我呀? 仲乜比個希望我wor, 索性唔好改我身份證上既性別丫!

-- 投入變性人角色既 MJJ

作者: MSN04 時間: 2010-10-5 23:06

問題唔係聽唔聽書... 係你認唔認同個官咁講.

我出世嗰陣時係男, 而家變左性, 政府又同我o係身份證上改左 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-10-5 19:37

我相信係事主要求改身分證上既性別, 唔係個官要求佢改囉.
入境處接受佢既申請, 唔代表個官就要接受婚姻上既申請囉. 兩個application 跟本就唔同.
講開又講, 如果兩個人一齊係開心, 點解事主又咁執著要迫其他人去接受佢心目中婚姻既定義?

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-10-5 23:17

我相信係事主要求改身分證上既性別, 唔係個官要求佢改囉.
入境處接受佢既申請, 唔代表個官就要接受婚姻上 ...
MSN04 發表於 2010-10-5 23:06

咁咪即係不如同居唔好結婚？唔同feel嘅。

我認為身份證上既然承認係女人，就即係法律上承認佢係女人，但係反而結婚唔可以？都幾玩嘢。

作者: MSN04 時間: 2010-10-5 23:26

咁咪即係不如同居唔好結婚？唔同feel嘅。

我認為身份證上既然承認係女人，就即係法律上承認佢係女人，但 ...
fibbi 發表於 2010-10-5 23:17

承認一個變性人, 容易過承認同性 or 變性婚姻下??
結婚就一路都係一男同一女架啦. 特然間要改, 唔係人人都接受到.
今時今日, 唔好話100%, 有冇大部份人接受同性婚姻 (or變性婚姻)都好難講.
過多幾個 generations 就唔同喇.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-10-5 23:32

回復 12# MSN04

我自己都唔接受同性婚姻。但係我覺得既然佢咁有決心去變性，就即係全心全意做女／男人，所以我都覺得應該俾佢哋結婚囉。

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-10-5 23:34

我相信係事主要求改身分證上既性別, 唔係個官要求佢改囉.
入境處接受佢既申請, 唔代表個官就要接受婚姻上 ...
MSN04 發表於 2010-10-6 15:06

咁又唔係咁講喇! 政府o係幫我改左身分證上既性別, 我就覺得香港係認同我女性既身份啦! 點知香港司法獨立, 法官話我仲係男人, 唔可以同我愛人結婚!

咁香港政府而家覺得我係男人定女人先? 玩野咩?

-- 冇JJ 既MJJ

作者: MSN04 時間: 2010-10-5 23:52

回復 14# mcjohnjohn

香港政府覺得事主係變性人囉

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-10-5 23:59

回復 mcjohnjohn

香港政府覺得事主係變性人囉
MSN04 發表於 2010-10-6 15:52

咁身分證應該係寫變性人而唔係女人啦...

作者: FiChai 時間: 2010-10-6 01:09

Rather not to argue whether 變性人 (no matter gal to guy or guy to gal) can get married or not, but why the government allows people to get sex changed in the first place if they don't allow them to get married afterward?! The government is contradict to themselves.

作者: 匿名 時間: 2010-10-6 01:21

回復 MSN04

我自己都唔接受同性婚姻。但係我覺得既然佢咁有決心去變性，就即係全心全意做女／男人 ...
fibbi 發表於 2010-10-5 23:32

係喇﹐變左性就應該 OK 喇。。。

作者: 匿名 時間: 2010-10-6 01:23

go too far la~
do u (as a woman) allow shemale go to women washroom?
habitrailspace 發表於 2010-10-5 19:15

我覺得可以囉。。。都變左性洛。。。

反而那些十歲八歲的男童﹐就唔應該比 (他們入女廁)﹐你地同唔同意呀﹖D 亞媽唔知諗乜﹐成日比D男童入黎﹐唔通入黎蛤野﹖

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-10-6 06:23

Rather not to argue whether 變性人 (no matter gal to guy or guy to gal) can get married or not, but ...
FiChai 發表於 2010-10-6 01:09

我諗
而家嗰法官係解釋僅
婚姻同夫妻嘅定義
婚姻係容許有同性和異性
但係夫妻係男女嘅關係
你出世紙上嘅性別
就係你完本係嘅

法官係去解釋去施法
唔係去立法

作者: 匿名 時間: 2010-10-6 07:58

我去施法
sheep 發表於 2010-10-6 06:23

去施法? ma lee ma lee home? hahaha...

作者: MSN04 時間: 2010-10-6 08:30

我諗
而家嗰法官係解釋僅
婚姻同夫妻嘅定義
婚姻係容許有同性和異性
但係夫妻係男女嘅關係
你出世紙 ...
sheep 發表於 2010-10-6 06:23

嗯... 香港同性婚姻 ok?

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-10-6 08:52

去施法? ma lee ma lee home? hahaha...
匿名發表於 2010-10-6 07:58

playingtoy 上身

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-10-6 09:08

我相信係事主要求改身分證上既性別, 唔係個官要求佢改囉.
入境處接受佢既申請, 唔代表個官就要接受婚姻上 ...
MSN04 發表於 2010-10-5 23:06

If they can't get married, they can't enjoy a lot of privileges regular married couples have. They aren't forcing people to accept them, they just want the same treatment with everyone else.

If you CHOOSE not to get married, that's okay, many people think marriage is just a piece of paper. But if you CANNOT get married, being a law-bying citizen, then that is a completely different story.

作者: 匿名 時間: 2010-10-6 09:10

回復 24# 大C姐

踩到應你﹐唔怪得大反應

作者: 匿名 時間: 2010-10-6 09:11

回復 24# 大C姐

無錯﹐我都覺得你應該為自己爭取利益啊~

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-10-6 09:12

How about those cases when a baby is born with both sex genitals, and the parents have to choose at that point whether they want the baby to be a "boy" or a "girl". These cases do happen, so when they get older, are they allowed to get married at all? Because technically they weren't BORN as a male or female, so they don't have the privilege to get married at all???

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-10-6 09:14

我覺得可以囉。。。都變左性洛。。。

反而那些十歲八歲的男童﹐就唔應該比 (他們入女廁)﹐你地同唔同意 ...
匿名發表於 2010-10-6 01:23

I don't mind at all... shemale going into female washrooms.

Come on baby, i'd rather let a shemale go into the same washroom than have lesbians possibly "peek" while i pee... not that i think all lesbians do that

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-10-6 09:16

回復大C姐

無錯﹐我都覺得你應該為自己爭取利益啊~
匿名發表於 2010-10-6 09:11

Sorry, i don't believe in marriage, i don't want to get married eventhough i am allowed to get married under the law.

-- hot single girl

作者: MSN04 時間: 2010-10-6 10:11

If they can't get married, they can't enjoy a lot of privileges regular married couples have. ...
大C姐發表於 2010-10-6 09:08

絕對同意. 所以我好多時都覺得d 二奶好可憐. 做乜野唔可以俾人入門, 等人地都可以享受婚姻既 privileges.

作者: MSN04 時間: 2010-10-6 10:14

I don't mind at all... shemale going into female washrooms.

Come on baby, i'd rather let a s ...
大C姐發表於 2010-10-6 09:14

Is that even possible in female washroom? I know it is possible for men...
Don't u need to climb over (or do whatever) to "peek" in female washroom? That is not peeking....

作者: FiChai 時間: 2010-10-6 11:30

我諗
而家嗰法官係解釋僅
婚姻同夫妻嘅定義
婚姻係容許有同性和異性
但係夫妻係男女嘅關係
你出世紙 ...
sheep 發表於 2010-10-6 06:23

Then I should say, any executive person executes ridiculous laws so a ridiculous result came out. Normal. LOL

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-10-6 12:24

Then I should say, any executive person executes ridiculous laws so a ridiculous result came out. N ...
FiChai 發表於 2010-10-6 11:30

wrong logic

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-10-6 12:25

Law is a law, if you find it rediculous, try to change it.

作者: 匿名 時間: 2010-10-6 14:10

Is that even possible in female washroom? I know it is possible for men...
Don't u need to climb ...
MSN04 發表於 2010-10-6 10:14

有D罅好闊﹐闊到響門邊都看得到裡面﹐你得閒入黎參觀下~

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-10-6 14:34

Is that even possible in female washroom? I know it is possible for men...
Don't u need to climb ...
MSN04 發表於 2010-10-6 10:14

YES!!!

the doors always have huge gaps, sometimes it's quite embarrassing... of course usually people don't stand and LOOK at you, but when there are a lot of people waiting outside, people can kinda see what you're doing inside and give you the evil stare....

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2010-10-6 14:57

For this particular case, I think it's just a matter of establishing a consistent legal definition of a 'man' and a 'woman'. If there's gray area, it's all just lawyer vs lawyer/judge... Aka money talks, as always.

In general, IMO, I think it's ok for a transgender to adopt legal recognition of the post transexual gender. Need to get into the technicalities tho of what constitutes the minimum necassary to be qualified as a legal man/woman tho. Aka. change of primary sexual organ + secondary feature? + hormone adjustments?, etc etc. Given that, if one is recognized legally as a man/woman, he/she should have all the rights/restrictions associated with being one.

作者: FiChai 時間: 2010-10-6 19:13

Law is a law, if you find it rediculous, try to change it.
sheep 發表於 2010-10-6 12:25

Wrong logic.
There are bad people and good people in the world, so as ridiculous and sense making laws. Things need to be balanced out and both devil and angel sides have their ways to survive. In a sense, try to make everything perfect is truly ridiculous. LOL

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-10-7 07:36

Wrong logic.
Things need to be balanced out and both devil and angel sides have their ways to survive. In a sense, try to make everything perfect is truly ridiculous. LOL
FiChai 發表於 2010-10-6 19:13

so, even you think this law is ridiculous, and you still think that both devel and angel sides have to survive. then it is good for the evil

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