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作者: fy789 時間: 2010-10-25 20:11 標題: 20院校60師生　花 3個月查連環跳樓揭富士康女工自殺悲情

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作者: fy789 時間: 2010-10-25 20:14

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作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-10-25 20:21

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作者: peter236 時間: 2010-10-25 21:44

Chinese/Asian society including HK still cannot jump out of the unskillful/labor-intensive/long-work ...
fy789 發表於 2010-10-25 20:14

That is why we should stop buying European brand names.

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-10-25 21:58

That is why we should stop buying European brand names.
peter236 發表於 2010-10-25 21:44

And yet in 2009, China alone has consumed in excess of $5B in luxury goods, and accounts for a whopping 25% of global luxury goods consumption. And guess where those luxury good brand names are from?

This is the China reality -- 貧富懸殊 is only getting worse, and morons like you continue to think the country is all fine and dandy...

-Lik

作者: fy789 時間: 2010-10-25 22:21

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作者: fy789 時間: 2010-10-25 22:31

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作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-10-25 22:31

Don't blame everything on Foxconn. They are just trying to manage a whole city of 300,000+ workers. The real problem lies within the society, and the infrastructure.

作者: fy789 時間: 2010-10-25 22:34

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作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-10-25 22:48

回復快樂牛郎

I am not blaming anyone, but give yet another example to show that the world is ful ...
fy789 發表於 2010/10/25 22:34

I think you can find way more hypocrites in Canada and the US. In this incident, Foxconn is probably the least responsible party involved.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-10-25 22:52

And yet in 2009, China alone has consumed in excess of $5B in luxury goods, and accounts for a whop ...
Lik 發表於 2010-10-25 21:58

You are the moron thinking Canada, the US and UK are fine and dandy.
But Canada, the US and UK are going bankrupt and the governments have big national debt. China, on the other hand, is moving upwards creating wealth.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-10-25 22:53

台廠強調人性化管理is just BS !!!!!!!!!!
I despise them !!

It's another example of exploitation of ...
fy789 發表於 2010-10-25 22:21

After exploitng labour in Taiwan province, these Taiwanese are now using the labour in mainland China.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-10-25 22:54

After exploitng labour in Taiwan province, these Taiwanese are now using the labour in mainland Ch ...
peter236 發表於 2010/10/25 22:53

your idolized Apple has more responsibility than Foxconn

but ironically you remain a fanboy of them

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-10-25 22:56

your idolized Apple has more responsibility than Foxconn

but ironically you remain a fanboy of th ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2010-10-25 22:54

Apple designs great and elegant products. It is Taiwan's Foxconn that is using the labour.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-10-25 23:02

Apple designs great and elegant products. It is Taiwan's Foxconn that is using the labour.
peter236 發表於 2010/10/25 22:56

So I guess Apple didn't ask Foxconn to make their products. Or maybe Foxconn should hire American labor instead?

A nice rich guy in suit walks into a brothel and pays $10 for a fxxk and the pimp gets blamed for exploiting sex workers.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-10-25 23:05

you know what's most ironic?

a worker holds a picket line against wal-mart during the day and in half an hr she drives to wal-mart to pick up groceries.

and you can find these people everywhere in the US

作者: fy789 時間: 2010-10-25 23:13

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作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-10-25 23:18

Extreme capitalism may not be less evil than
communism.
fy789 發表於 2010/10/25 23:13

both capitalism and communism in their pure forms are great ideologies.
that's why they existed in the first place

but humans are greedy, short-sighted, lazy, jealous, and what not, so we arrived at the systems we have right now

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-10-25 23:18

Watch out your words, bozo !!!

Watch out on my words? What about them? Everything I said in my previous post are solid, proven, and indisputable facts. If you intend to claim that they are false, what would that say about you?

(i) As a Chinese, I accept the act that CCP is the ruling party that I cannot overthrow.So only way I can improve China's situation is to communicate and encurage CCP to do better. Even though you keep shouting here, what kind of effect does it do to CCP? I can tell you honestly NOTHING but only force CCP to go the wrong way, ie Incresing control of the country for the fear of being overthrown.

See? This is where your 奴性 shines through. Just because the CCP is the ruling party, why does that mean it cannot be overthrown? If the government is doing a bad job of managing the country, they will get overthrown! I can't remember which Chinese philosopher it was that said this (might be 孔子 or somebody else), but those were the meanings of his words. As a matter of fact, the CCP did precisely the same thing to the KMT when they took over the Mainland. It happens throughout the world and throughout history, and is a pattern that can never be stopped. Heck, are you really that stupid to think that the CCP is not aware of this very same thought?

以前嘅皇帝就信奉「家天下」呢個概念；今日嘅共產黨就信奉「黨天下」呢個概念。如果呢個「黨天下」嘅概念真係咁好、咁固若金湯嘅話，咁點解阿爺連劉曉波呢啲咁溫和嘅人都要監禁？！

In a civilized country, a successful government is given another mandate to steer, guide, and lead the country for another term. A poor government is punished by getting kicked out of the office. In Canada, we call this "an election". Is that really a concept that foreign to you?! When the BC Liberals are doing a bad job, are you still gonna say that you cannot overthrow them? If the Conservatives are guiding the country down the wrong path, are you not gonna pick the Liberals or NDP instead?

(ii) CCP is slowly improving, but still far from being perfect. (Better than you know nothing other than finger pointing!!!)

I do not dispute the fact that they are improving. The point I continue to stick to is that they continually violate some of the most basic human rights. If you disagree, tell me what 劉曉波 has done that deserves to be locked up? Tell me what countless other 異見人士 have done to deserve the treatment they receive?!

(iii) We should not despise our own people. The fact that you hate CCP and despise poor mainland people does not help your image in the western society.

Finally, please do NOT put your words into my mouth. Go back to read my posts la, before setting the damn fire on me.
fy789 發表於 2010-10-25 22:31

I do not despise our own people. I simply despise those that crude and uncivilized. Just as importantly, I never despise the poor simply because they are poor. For you to say something like that is just another typical 扣帽子 trick in attempt to smear my name.

Think a little more freely, and don't be bounded by your old time, out-dated predispositions.

-Lik

作者: fy789 時間: 2010-10-26 00:14

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作者: Lik 時間: 2010-10-26 00:30

ii) So if you don't know what's up ahead for certain, are you just gonna sit down and do nothing? If that is your mentality, you're always gonna be sitting on your butt instead of doing anything about the situation to change it.

iii) Right -- so 劉曉波 is a radical. I guess radicals are those that win Nobel Peace Prizes, eh? Are you even aware of what 劉曉波 has done? Do you have the slightest clue about what the 08 Charter says? Everything in there are entirely consistent with what the Chinese constitution preaches!

v) I am well aware that I am not very wise at all, but suffice to say, given what I've read from your postings...

-Lik

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-10-26 01:10

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ii) So if you don't know what's up ahead for certain, are you just gonna sit down and do nothing? If ...
Lik 發表於 2010-10-26 00:30

The Nobel Peace Prize is just a political tool.

The 2008 Charter wanted to set up a Chinese federal system, which means splitting up China into pieces. This is crap since China was united centuries ago, and is different from the so-called federal system in the US. The writer was probably heavily influenced by the failing system of the US, which is not suitable for other countries. By calling for a federal system in China means splitting up China for the western powers to cut up China.

作者: fy789 時間: 2010-10-26 08:41

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作者: Lik 時間: 2010-10-26 11:34

The Nobel Peace Prize is just a political tool.

The 2008 Charter wanted to set up a Chinese feder ...
peter236 發表於 2010-10-26 01:10

LOL~ So the Nobel Prize is a political tool, eh? If you have any shame at all, why don't you look back to how high profile things were when Dr. 高坤 won the Nobel Prize last year? Also, should another Chinese (esp a local Mainland Chinese) ever win a Nobel Prize, think about how high profile the CCP would publicize that. Nobel Prizes are not political tools. It's only political because of the shameful acts and atrocities that the CCP has committed themselves in the first place.

And why would a federal system destroy China? Both Canada and the US have federal government. Do you see these countries falling apart? To spew nonsense like that is just so typical of the Grandfather supporters.

-Lik

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-10-26 11:46

If one truly loves China, one should always share its past experiences with CCP on how to become a democracy; instead of just plain accusations on everything CCP's way is not complying with western standard. I bet CCP leaders know the problems they are facing too well; however, they don't have experience and don't know how to handle them properly. Consequently, they take conservative steps to move ahead.

Lastly, as I always say, as a Chinese living in foreign countries, we should give the underdog (CCP) more encouragements and applause if they do the right things, no matter how tiny those are, while enjoying the so-called freedom we have now in Canada.fy789 發表於 2010-10-26 08:41

Sharing their own experience and telling Grandfather what is right has always been done by Chinese in China and abroad. But does the stupid/stubborn Grandfather listen? For those that are in China, they get jailed or what not (again, Liu Xiaobo is the prime example, and his approach is already extremely mild). For those they are abroad, Grandfather doesn't bother to listen. Or they make up excuses saying how the Mainland is different. How they need a whatever it was with 中國特色. Heck, I don't remember which Great Leader it was, but he literally says that China needs to have its own style of democracy, something to the effects of 中國共產黨領導嘅民主體制. What kind of crap is that? Democracy, by definition, is not led by any any party in particular.

This is no different that the CCP's continual insistence on how they will proceed on their Chinese style socialism agenda. Everybody knows what China is practicing right now is the most extreme form of capitalism. And yet they still have the guts to claim it as a "Chinese style socialism".

If there is no criticism, there is no incentive for change. We are not dealing with little kids here. The leaders in government are all fully functional adults.

-Lik

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-10-26 11:53

Last but not least, you forgot we're dealing with Grandfather here. 如果你真係咁天真、咁傻到仲以為當你敬阿爺一尺嘅時候佢會回敬返你一丈，咁你就真係低能到暈。因為老共就算只係見到你敬佢果一吋嘅話，佢都會立即先進咗果一吋，然後再 demand要進多三丈。呢個就係共產黨 negotiate 嘅一貫手段。如果你連呢少少咁簡單嘅現實都睇唔到嘅話，咁你最後只會俾阿爺成個吞落肚，連渣都無淨。

-力

作者: fy789 時間: 2010-10-26 12:22

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作者: Lik 時間: 2010-10-26 12:29

Just since when did I say I'd use brutality against brutality? And in particular, when did I ever say we need to kill any CCP members? All I said is, you need to know who you are dealing with here, and you need to be firm against them. These can all be done by remaining peaceful, rational, and non-violent.

But then I shouldn't be surprised when you start your usual 扣帽子 tricks again. That's the sure sign when somebody has no rational rebuttal to an argument.

-Lik

作者: fy789 時間: 2010-10-26 12:37

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作者: kingkong123 時間: 2010-10-27 16:01

个政府系做野的，系有人性的就唔会给这些事情发生啦

政府本应维护地下阶层利益，更何况“人民政府” 更加要维护弱势群体啦

要怪的唔系台商，要怪的系中国政府这样的帮凶

作者: fy789 時間: 2010-10-27 16:58

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作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-10-27 17:04

政府本应维护地下阶层利益，更何况“人民政府” 更加要维护弱势群体啦

kingkong123 發表於 2010/10/27 16:01

a government's biggest contribution is to be an easy target for someone like you to blame when you feel like it

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2010-10-27 20:47

回復 32# fy789

想深一层，点解台湾人老细，香港老细唔会在台湾，香港甘样压榨D 工人，点解偏偏只有在大陆可以，唔同大陆人卑贱D？原因是什么不言而喻啦

一个巴掌打唔响，如果没人纵容又点会让整件事情深化落去

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-10-28 10:16

回復 27# Lik

Moron Lik, are you 屎弗癢 again? Do you want me to kick your bud again to remind how stupid you are?

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-10-28 10:47

回復 Lik

Moron Lik, are you 屎弗癢 again? Do you want me to kick your bud again to remind how stu ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-10-28 10:16

點解你反應遲鈍咗咁多嘅？

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-10-28 17:13

點解你反應遲鈍咗咁多嘅？
sheep 發表於 2010-10-28 10:47

Haven't I educated Lik before? I just want to see whether he has learned anything. Appaerently, he has not.

Do you support what Lik said?

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-10-28 17:17

回復 37# rockypath

Answer me, 點解你反應遲鈍咗咁多嘅?

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-10-28 17:31

回復 rockypath

Answer me, 點解你反應遲鈍咗咁多嘅?
sheep 發表於 2010-10-28 17:17

I enjoy watching how the moron react. Now answer me. Do you agree with what Lik said?

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-10-28 17:54

想深一层，点解台湾人老细，香港老细唔会在台湾，香港甘样压榨D 工人，点解偏偏只有在大陆可以，唔同大陆人卑贱D？原因是什么不言而喻啦

一个巴掌打唔响，如果没人纵容又点会让整件事情深化落去
kingkong123 發表於 2010-10-28 12:47

唔係大陸人多, d 人工又平, 台商都唔會o係度建廠啦.
對於商人黎講, d 工人係機器, 有人死, 就當d 機器零件壞左, 隨手都可以搵返另一件零件代替.

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2010-10-28 19:23

唔係大陸人多, d 人工又平, 台商都唔會o係度建廠啦.
對於商人黎講, d 工人係機器, 有人死, 就當d 機器零件 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-10-28 17:54

好明显造成甘的田地，怪只能怪共产党咯

一手搞出来恶果

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-10-28 19:25

對於商人黎講, d 工人係機器, 有人死, 就當d 機器零件壞左, 隨手都可以搵返另一件零件代替.
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010/10/28 17:54

機器你都可能會小心保養
費事壞

不過工人真係死幾多有幾多

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-10-28 20:02

機器你都可能會小心保養
費事壞

不過工人真係死幾多有幾多
快樂牛郎發表於 2010-10-29 11:25

呢d 就有有良心同冇良心既分別law.
錢係要賺, 但係唔係要賺到盡而埋沒良心呢?

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-10-28 20:08

好明显造成甘的田地，怪只能怪共产党咯

一手搞出来恶果
kingkong123 發表於 2010-10-29 11:23

我真係唔覺得可以怪今時今日既共產黨.
中國根本係一個發展中國家, 人民既人工當然比已發展國家低, 咁已發展國家o係中國發展已經唔係呢一兩年既事喇.

當然, 如果唔係因為文革呢d 不倫不類既野發生左, 如果唔係當件固步自封, 中國今時今日既發展應該會比而家好. 不過唔發生都發生左, 我覺得批評共產黨惡行既同時, 都要睇下佢而家有冇為人民謀福利. 而家共產黨擺到明只係想針對經濟發展, 呢方面真係做得唔錯, 不過其他地方(如民主, 民生)都有好大改善既空間.

小弟深信, 大家都係中國人, 血濃於水, 大家都想國內既同胞幸福的.

-- 幸福的MJJ

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2010-10-28 20:54

本帖最後由 kingkong123 於 2010-10-28 20:55 編輯

我真係唔覺得可以怪今時今日既共產黨.
中國根本係一個發展中國家, 人民既人工當然比已發展國家低, 咁已發 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-10-28 20:08

人工低同被唔系人甘对待系两回事来啊，米搞错啊

中国政府为了高税收，放纵这些台商虐待工人，不怪共产党怪边个？

当年的让一部分人先富起来，在让另外一部分再富起来的政策
成为今天的让一部人踩着一部分人的身体富起来再让另外一部分更加穷

中国有今天的经济并非中国政府做了什么，是中国政府没做了很多，管少了很多才有今天的经济
中国政府比不会赚一分钱，而他只会搜刮民脂民膏让她的党员们来温哥华买豪宅。
老实讲温哥华有几多豪宅的主人唔系共产党员？？我认识每个父母移民来了加拿大的朋友个个父母都是共产党员，无一例外，就算自己做生意都是共产党员摇身一变成为资本家的

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-10-28 21:25

人工低同被唔系人甘对待系两回事来啊，米搞错啊

中国政府为了高税收，放纵这些台商虐待工人，不怪共产党 ...
kingkong123 發表於 2010-10-29 12:54

你講共產黨既野我就唔會同你拗, 因為我真係對呢個黨認識唔深, 冇資格同你討論~

至於中國成為左世界工廠, 呢個係一個事實, 亦唔覺得黎緊呢幾年會有好大既改變. 除左富士康之外, 仲有好多外商o係大陸設廠. 當年亦有唔少香港人o係大陸設廠, 佢地有冇欺壓大陸既員工? 小弟真係唔知. 不過, 我覺得總會有d 好既僱主, 亦會有d 好既企業.

小弟相信今時今日, 共產黨只可以維持呢個世界工廠既地位. 希望各地既商家利用當地既人力資源(中國最多就係呢樣野啦), 亦希望d 工人可以受惠.

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