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作者: Lik 時間: 2011-2-23 14:26 標題: 曾俊華年年計錯數　今次最離譜

曾俊華年年計錯數　今次最離譜

【本報訊】財政司司長曾俊華再次「亂咁估」庫房收入，在 2010至 11年度財政預算中，嚴重低估政府收益，由最初預算虧蝕 252億元，至昨日公佈修訂預算，竟有 713億元盈餘，相差多達 965億元，是他上任以來預算差距「最離譜」一次。

預虧蝕實盈餘　誤差 965億

曾俊華昨日公佈 2010至 11年度的修訂財政預算，收入由最初預算 2,920億元，大幅增至修訂後的 3,748億元，尤其是賣地收入、印花稅等嚴重低估，令原本巨額赤字變成豐厚盈餘。他在記者會被問及嚴重低估本年度財政盈餘時，依舊死不認錯，辯稱由於去年 1月進行財政估算時，本港出現衰退情況，所以在美國可能出現雙底衰退情況下，當時預計本港有 4%至 5%經濟增長，已算相當進取。他指政府過去數年收入波動相當大，上下波幅約近兩成，還自我安慰說：「呢個錯誤（錯估盈餘），我係接受嘅。」公民黨立法會議員湯家驊批評，曾俊華本年度 965億誤差屬歷年新高，「真係錯到離晒譜」。他認為《基本法》規定政府「量入為出，收支平衡」，現時卻在政府嚴重錯估收入下，出現「量入不出，收支失衡，政府肥到襪都着唔到，但窮人就皮包骨」情況，完全違反《基本法》精神，「只係想派糖塞住市民把口。」建制派工業界立法會議員林大輝也狠批曾俊華，指政府財政預算連年出現嚴重偏差，已令港人失去信心，同時令人質疑 2011至 12年度將有 39億元綜合盈餘的預測。他建議政府應立即全面檢討財政預算方法和系統，使每年收支預算更準確，並釐定適當的儲備水平，避免無休止地累積儲備，造成官富民窮的不合理現象。曾俊華上任後首三份預算案均預測政府會有財赤，惟最終全部錄得巨額盈餘，以本年度最為顯著。本報翻查過去 10年預算案，除 08至 09年度外，全部預算與實際情況均出現逾百億元的嚴重誤差，其中以 07至 08年度最離譜，當時擔任財政司司長的唐英年預計政府全年只得 255億元盈餘，最後實際收益高達 1,237億元，差額達 982億元。

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-2-23 15:21

回復 1# Lik

阿力，你可不可以告訴我們全世界有邊個國家邊個政府唔“計錯”數？

我等你的答案。

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-2-23 15:29

I wish our governments could miscalculate like he did.

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-2-23 15:34

計錯數唔係問題，但係有無邊個政府好似特衰政府咁折墮，條數錯到咁離普？10-11嘅差額係965憶，原本預會蝕200幾億，但實際就賺咗3x有多嘅錢。09-10、07-08、06-07、同04-05果條數都完全失晒預算。我不如叫個小學生亂up個number仲好啦？

-力

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2011-2-23 16:37

$100 billion "Error" is big ..

Well, not as big as USA/CHINA ...

It is a good mistake .. better then the other way around ..

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-2-23 17:30

無期望就唔會失望, 而家"賺"咁多, d 人會喜出望外, 令人覺得特區政府管治有加啊!

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-2-23 17:44

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-2-23 17:45 編輯

計錯數唔係問題，但係有無邊個政府好似特衰政府咁折墮，條數錯到咁離普？10-11嘅差額係965憶，原本預會蝕20 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-2-23 15:34

You rubbish moron. Who the fu king care, as along as they err on the good side? And Hong Kong has big surpluses. Do you even know the size of the public debt of Japan, Canada or the US?

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2011-2-23 17:50

粟米斑塊飯 !!! YUMMY !!

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-2-23 19:04

粟米斑塊飯 !!! YUMMY !!
Catpiano 發表於 2011-2-24 09:50

魚香茄子仲 Yummy 啊!

作者: tiffiant 時間: 2011-2-23 20:28

our government never miscalculate

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-2-23 22:37

You rubbish moron. Who the fu king care, as along as they err on the good side? And Hong Kong has ...
peter236 發表於 2011-2-23 17:44

Err on the "good side"? When the miscalculations are as huge as almost HKD$100B, that reeks of nothing other than utter incompetence. Government policies are invariably based on available budgets. When your actual fiscal spendings run a surplus to the tune of $100B, it means tons of social, economic, and development projects that could have taken place did not take place because of the miscalculations. It isn't just a misuse of available resources -- it's a complete abuse of government resources.

In anywhere else, someone as incompetent as that most certainly would have been fired on the spot.

When you don't know shxt, shut the fxxk up la, PK!

-Lik

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-2-24 02:53

Err on the "good side"? When the miscalculations are as huge as almost HKD$100B, that reeks of noth ...
Lik 發表於 2011-2-23 22:37

Lik, would you mind to share with us – how would you be able to tell it was a bad budgeting solely by looking at the size of surplus itself?

What is a good or bad budget? Can you tell us how you would define it?

100 billion surplus could very be an excellent budget. It could be an evident showing HK government has mange the economy responsibly – get expanding under control and inject enough stimulation into the economy and help to improve the business activities and keep the economy strong. Therefore, the government also receives its reward – big surplus.

Have I shown how ignorant you are? I would suggest you to use the time and effort to enrich your knowledge instead of shamelessly barking and attack other people who hold a different opinion from yours

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2011-2-24 08:02

I want to have their style of 錯數 la.. but .. sigh .. always .. empty pocket ..

作者: Nam 時間: 2011-2-24 12:36

講真我今次唔係咁撐派糖，澳門就係一個好例子，連派4年，但係咪真係解決到民困? 我見唔到，只係市民對派糖習以為常，個6千咪又係去洗咗去，假如真係要還富，不如將啲錢放係social services, education funding etc. 好過派錢，就算係俾低收入，到只能夠幫到短期，長線都係無幫助，只會做成市民嘅依賴！

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-2-24 12:44

回復 14# Nam

There are different kinds of refund. The one you are referring to is directly refunding money to the public via cheques.

IMO, like some other scholars indicated, these refunds can be bought forward to the next fiscal year as a tax credit. It is way better than direct refund...

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-2-24 12:58

點解所有高官都出自名校
拔瘁喇沙。。。。。
做啲決策
都係保守被人小
精英？
邊一瓣係？

作者: Nam 時間: 2011-2-24 13:04

退稅梗係好過直接派錢啦，台灣同澳門都做過，但係真係唔覺有咩成效，我都收左澳門3年錢，啲親戚朋友咪最多夾錢！食餐好嘅，或者修祖墳就攞個啲錢囉

或者香港可以學吓澳門派醫療券，依樣真係幾好，每人係custom border 用身份證一beep 就有500 ，好似我咁後生，唔係話多病痛，用唔哂就可以簽個名 pass 俾直接親屬（i.e. 父母），咁變相其實真係幫到社會！

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-2-24 13:10

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-2-24 13:18 編輯

Err on the "good side"? When the miscalculations are as huge as almost HKD$100B, that reeks of noth ...
Lik 發表於 2011-2-23 22:37

作者: Nam 時間: 2011-2-24 13:18

點解所有高官都出自名校
拔瘁喇沙。。。。。
做啲決策
都係保守被人小
精英？
邊一瓣係？ ...
sheep 發表於 2011-2-24 12:58

因為係名校長大，就要規行矩步，從小就被洗腦唔可以敗壞校風，咁少做少錯，慢慢咪變成咁囉！

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-2-24 13:24

回復 19# Nam

咁就缺乏創意
墨守成規

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-2-24 13:50

退稅梗係好過直接派錢啦，台灣同澳門都做過，但係真係唔覺有咩成效，我都收左澳門3年錢，啲親戚朋友咪最多夾錢！食餐好嘅，或者修祖墳就攞個啲錢囉

或者香港可以學吓澳門派醫療券，依樣真係幾好，每人係custom border 用身份證一beep 就有500 ，好似我咁後生，唔係話多病痛，用唔哂就可以簽個名 pass 俾直接親屬（i.e. 父母），咁變相其實真係幫到社會！
Nam 發表於 2011-2-24 13:04

阿南，

個成效咁顯住你都睇唔到？你同屋企人收咗錢就去食餐好，咁係唔係即係將啲錢立即投放返去去個經濟體系裡面？酒樓又係咪要去買食材同call啲夥計返來開工？豬肉佬出咗貨，又係咪有錢攞去使？夥計有工開、有糧出，係咪亦即係有能力再去使錢？啲錢一層一層咁去，呢個咪正正係經濟學裡面所講嘅 multiplier effect 囉。

另外，我會不厭其煩咁再講多次：直接派錢嘅話人人都可以受惠，因為基層市民好多本身已經唔需要交稅，所以退稅根本一啲都幫唔到佢地。響今日香港呢個貧富懸殊咁嚴重嘅地方，你再退稅都幫唔到最需要幫助嘅窮人，而只會令貧富懸殊加劇。而特衰政府坐擁鉅額儲備，派錢對佢來講只係九牛一毛嘅事。

此外，我之前唔記得咗講一樣野：全民派錢係成本效益最大、交易成本最細嘅做法。你搞埋咁多醫療券、特別 program等等，一來要搞多好多 admin野，費時又失事；二來有好多人根本無辦法知道所有政府推出來幫佢地政策。好似無記個報導裡面，被訪問個阿伯都唔知道有醫療券係點樣攞㗎啦？再講，醫療券後生嘅自己用唔晒就只能夠簽俾直系親戚，亦即係最多都只會幫返自己屋企人，而屋企人都用唔着嘅話就即係再幫唔到其他人，而政府亦可以慳返筆啦？相對地，錢係邊個都用得，亦一定會用，更能夠為每一個人做到佢所認為有最大成本效益嘅事情。

-力

作者: Nam 時間: 2011-2-24 13:52

回復 Nam

咁就缺乏創意
墨守成規
sheep 發表於 2011-2-24 13:24

無計，依個就係名校嘅代價！
記得小學六年班個陣真係好大壓力，考唔上直屬中學等同世界末日咁，唔想被淘汰就只可以follow the rules囉！其實諗返轉頭， Band 2/ Band 3 都真係唔係話太差，但當時個個都攬住喊，考返直屬個啲亦唔知俾咩反應！

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-2-24 14:01

阿南，

個成效咁顯住你都睇唔到？你同屋企人收咗錢就去食餐好，咁係唔係即係將啲錢立即投放返去去個經濟 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-2-24 13:50

政府反駁話咁會推高通脹
不過
佢又唔話啲阿婆阿伯會儲起慢慢搣
無錢
響香港
真係好慘

通脹
係被嗰啲日日魚翅撈飯嗰啲人推高嘅

作者: Nam 時間: 2011-2-24 14:07

阿南，

個成效咁顯住你都睇唔到？你同屋企人收咗錢就去食餐好，咁係唔係即係將啲錢立即投放返去去個經濟 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-2-24 13:50

時間問題者，我十月返去睇皮膚醫生時，雞乸咁大隻字寫住接受醫療券㗎喎，點都會問吓掛? 過關時又有咁大部機棟係到，中國人嘅無執輸嘅心態，個個走去beep 機，我就唔信啲長者唔會去八去問，同埋係用身份証去beep，點都認到掛?

直屬親戚其實變相係保護公帑，唔怕不法嘅人販埋者！無野係ideal 嘅，如果你話食餐飯係振興經濟，咁政府處理依啲錢時嘅admin overhead亦變相加工作職位！

派錢起初覺得好好，但睇新聞，澳門其實好睇唔好食，貧富亦都係問題，庫房都好勉強，但一到年頭就被傳媒追問今年有無錢派，大家就係咁等聽住，感覺上市民變得依賴，遲早都唔知會唔會變到好似加拿大咁......

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-2-24 14:19

政府反駁話咁會推高通脹
不過
佢又唔話啲阿婆阿伯會儲起慢慢搣
無錢
響香港
真係好慘

通脹
係被嗰啲日日魚翅撈飯嗰啲人推高嘅sheep 發表於 2011-2-24 14:01

特衰政府根本就低能到連香港點解會有通脹同通脹嘅性質係乜野都唔知道。又或者佢地知道，但礙於唔敢得罪阿爺，所以詐唔知。

其實香港嘅通脹根本就係從大陸輸入過來嘅。樓貴係因為大陸熱錢流入而炒貴晒啲屋；食物貴亦係因為國內糧食價格升高。你鬍鬚曾話退稅／派錢會令通脹惡化之說，根本就係大話。

你特衰政府係有心抗通脹嘅話就好應該改變個房屋政策（復建居屋係其中一個辦法）。物價貴咗你嘅 take home pay 都不變就即係剝削緊市民嘅消費能力。

係變個害香港人？顯而易見啦～

-力

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-2-24 14:31

直屬親戚其實變相係保護公帑，唔怕不法嘅人販埋者！無野係ideal 嘅，如果你話食餐飯係振興經濟，咁政府處理依啲錢時嘅admin overhead亦變相加工作職位！

派錢起初覺得好好，但睇新聞，澳門其實好睇唔好食，貧富亦都係問題，庫房都好勉強，但一到年頭就被傳媒追問今年有無錢派，大家就係咁等聽住，感覺上市民變得依賴，遲早都唔知會唔會變到好似加拿大咁......
Nam 發表於 2011-2-24 14:07

Admin overhead係 inefficiency。如果你要攞佢來同使錢食飯、整祖宗山墳來比較嘅話，咁你就變埋好似五毛三劍俠咁樣打橫來講㗎喇。

澳門又點會係好睇唔好食呢？不爭嘅事實係澳門雖然樓價高咗，但平均薪水亦升咗好多（因為賭場人工高，亦拉起晒全馬交嘅平均薪金）。而且澳門聽阿爺話，所以佢老人家開大水喉放錢、放遊客落來，個場旺到簡直可以踩沉澳門咁滯。相反，香港樓價就同澳門一樣俾大陸熱錢炒貴晒，但人工卻可以過去十年不變不特只，仲分分鐘要收得少過之前。（當然，高官同副局長呢班廢人就個個升官發財啦？）

-力

作者: Nam 時間: 2011-2-24 15:18

澳門其實表面風光，係做賭場係風光，但係基層嘅人呢?
我有朋友係做director ，的確係好風光，成十萬月薪加投資有道，但反觀上咗年紀嘅上一代呢? 後生可以做荷官，我啲表弟妹個個大學畢業都唔愁無野做，但係長輩個個都係死慳死抵，日子唔算話太苦，但亦睇得出唔係真係好似社會吹得咁旺，咁唔通全市都做casino 同 government job? 個社會價值觀亦都被twist 得太緊要，依個亦都係我唔回流嘅原因，當你係個到接觸民生，你會感受到說不出的問題，主要係民生嘅價值觀好twisted，有少少似大陸暴發戶個種感覺！

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-2-24 15:20

特衰政府根本就低能到連香港點解會有通脹同通脹嘅性質係乜野都唔知道。又或者佢地知道，但礙於唔敢得罪阿 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-2-24 14:19

You stupid moron, you want to go back to Hong Kong to collect money? And then pay for the public debt at all levels of government in Canada?

Hong Kong government is just following the accounting theory of conservatism.
They tend to under-promise and then over-deliver. This is a very good example of a responsible government, unlike some of the bankrupt western governments (US,UK and Canada).
If you know nothing about fiscal responsibility, you just shut up.

You stupid moron, the inflation mostly comes from the US QE2. Some of the hot money from the US goes to China. Some of that American QE2 hot money in China, ended up in Hong Kong, driving up inflation. You should blame the US instead.

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-2-24 15:41

本帖最後由 Lik 於 2011-2-24 15:42 編輯

澳門其實表面風光，係做賭場係風光，但係基層嘅人呢?Nam 發表於 2011-2-24 15:18

所以澳門咪派錢囉？最直接、最有效、最能夠解決生活需要嘅實際行動。馬交政府做得啱、做得好喎？大佬華有腦，而肥崔亦唔傻㗎！再講，肥崔本身係做開慈善工作嘅，所以我絕對唔擔心澳門政府會漠視基層人士嘅利益囉？

我有朋友係做director ，的確係好風光，成十萬月薪加投資有道，但反觀上咗年紀嘅上一代呢? 後生可以做荷官，我啲表弟妹個個大學畢業都唔愁無野做，但係長輩個個都係死慳死抵，日子唔算話太苦，但亦睇得出唔係真係好似社會吹得咁旺，咁唔通全市都做casino 同 government job? 個社會價值觀亦都被twist 得太緊要，依個亦都係我唔回流嘅原因，當你係個到接觸民生，你會感受到說不出的問題，主要係民生嘅價值觀好twisted，有少少似大陸暴發戶個種感覺！
我有朋友係做director ，的確係好風光，成十萬月薪加 ...
Nam 發表於 2011-2-24 15:18

澳門只有單一主要工業（賭業、娛樂事業）確實係一個社會問題，但最起碼民生好過、亦公平過香港。而澳門賭業響社會一旗獨大，呢個同財政預算無關，我地另有機會先再講啦。

-力

作者: fy789 時間: 2011-2-24 17:44

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作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-2-24 18:25

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-2-24 18:30 編輯

個成效咁顯住你都睇唔到？你同屋企人收咗錢就去食餐好，咁係唔係即係將啲錢立即投放返去去個經濟體系裡面？酒樓又係咪要去買食材同call啲夥計返來開工？豬肉佬出咗貨，又係咪有錢攞去使？夥計有工開、有糧出，係咪亦即係有能力再去使錢？啲錢一層一層咁去，呢個咪正正係經濟學裡面所講嘅 multiplier effect 囉。
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Lik 發表於 2011-2-24 13:50

Idiot Lik, giving the poor cash to have a nice meal is the solution you cry out loud so much to help the poor? How stupid it is.

Why have you been a coward again and avoid answering my questions? Is it because you know you cannot answer them but don’t want to tear off your face and accept the reality bravely like a man instead of a dog?

Do you have the gut to answer my question – “how would the poor be benefited and be able to get out of the situation they are currently in when the “economic multiplier effect” has kicked in and the economy turns even stronger and hotter than what it is now (we might need to pray the bubble won't burst)? How the problem of poverty is addressed by your “nice meal policy”?

I hope you have the gut to face me instead of running away like a dog again.

Be a man Lik.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2011-2-24 23:03

咁你又有冇種話俾我聽點解要免收差餉都唔退薪俸稅？
係都要益有樓既？

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2011-2-24 23:14

講到氣咳，香港通脹係因為美金貶值，大陸食品貴，以香港既人口，每人派一萬都唔會推得高個demand。如果真係怕通脹，咁就唔好俾大陸班友落黎買樓囉~我走左轉香港，真係乜都貴晒，但係人人都冇乜錢。「派左食餐好」只係唔等錢洗既人先會咁用，真係有需要既人自然會分配呢啲錢既用法。仲有，啲錢係香港人既，唔好當係恩惠，係應得既！

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-2-24 23:49

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-2-24 23:59 編輯

咁你又有冇種話俾我聽點解要免收差餉都唔退薪俸稅？
係都要益有樓既？
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-2-24 23:03

Why don't you ask Lik the reason why he did not dare to face me?

Look at what I had said in this thread and other threads about what I think the HK government should do to help the poor before challenging me.

Just tell me, do you agree giving out cash is the way to assist the poor and help them get out of the situation in a long run?

Dare to answer me?

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-2-25 00:02

仲有，啲錢係香港人既，唔好當係恩惠，係應得既！ ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-2-24 23:14

You are right and I agree with you.

What I wish the HK government to do is to have an action plan and funding to use the surplus to truly help the poor instead of giving out money to buy supports.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2011-2-25 00:27

for the long run, giving out cash has no use.
回水係救下燃眉之急，
呢家掉6k入強積金真係痴撚線～！！！
現實係，派左300億都仲有大撚把去做長期野，
有2萬幾億真係乜撚柒鳩野都做到啦屌你!！！！

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-2-25 00:52

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-2-25 00:56 編輯

for the long run, giving out cash has no use.
回水係救下燃眉之急，
呢家掉6k入強積金真係痴撚線～！！ ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-2-25 00:27

Do you have the brain to understand what I said?

Did you read I had said the government did not do its part to help the poor (the ones live under poverty line) especially help them get out of the situation they are currently in? If we don't do it now, then you tell me when should the government do it? Wait until it has no money? How stupid.

You only read one thing - "I do not support giving out cash", and blind on anything else I had said.

An idiot like you won't have the mind to read an issue objectively.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2011-2-25 00:56

屌，呢家就係乜撚長期計劃都冇，錢又唔撚派，佢想點撚樣啫？
鬧我idiot有如何？？最撚idiot係姓曾條扑街囉屌你

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-2-25 01:03

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-2-25 01:06 編輯

屌，呢家就係乜撚長期計劃都冇，錢又唔撚派，佢想點撚樣啫？
鬧我idiot有如何？？最撚idiot係姓曾條扑街囉 ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-2-25 00:56

Idiot.

Did you read the part I criticized the government did not have a long-term action plan and is not willing to do so to help the poor? Open your eyes and mind, please.

Tell me which point I said is not reasonable. Just quote what I said and list out your counter points.

Dare to do so? I bet you don't have the gut.
屌醒你自己先出聲啦。

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2011-2-25 01:07

我理撚得你寫左乜撚野？？？
咪睇到自己咁大。
我一直都係鬧緊仆街曾財奴咋～

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-2-25 01:10

我理撚得你寫左乜撚野？？？
咪睇到自己咁大。
我一直都係鬧緊仆街曾財奴咋～ ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-2-25 01:07

You attacked me without reading what I had said? How smart you are!

Then just STFU.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2011-2-25 01:12

本帖最後由 MoiRhapsody 於 2011-2-25 01:14 編輯

屌撚贏呀力同我有錢分呀？
你都幾撚有趣!
該屌個啲唔撚屌～～
借啲易又屌呀力仔，
公器私用，
好野!！！

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-2-25 01:17

屌撚贏呀力同我有錢分呀？
你都幾撚有趣!
該屌個啲唔撚屌～～
借啲易又屌呀力仔，
公器私用，
好野!！！ ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-2-25 01:12

你呢個蠢仔好似幾中意比人屌喔。叫力仔幫你啦。

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2011-2-25 01:56

卻之不恭

作者: Nam 時間: 2011-2-25 09:26

http://hk.news.yahoo.com/article/110224/23/mvmg.html

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-2-25 10:01

Nam 發表於 2011-2-25 09:26

話晒澳門點都派咗3年錢，有錢落袋之後，就同政府講：夠喇～不如做吓其他野仲好。咁我又唔覺得有任何問題喎？

但你香港果邊各方面嘅問題都遠遠嚴重過澳門。之前都講過，屋嚴重地貴過澳門，人工同澳門相比亦有好大分別（因為好多香港人過去十年都無加過人工，工作時間又超長，而澳門平均薪金升咗好多、賭場、旅遊亦造就咗好多工作機會）。所以香港嘅民怨深過、嚴重過澳門好多。

-力

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-2-26 15:39

話晒澳門點都派咗3年錢，有錢落袋之後，就同政府講：夠喇～不如做吓其他野仲好。咁我又唔覺得有任何問題喎 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-2-25 10:01

就因為澳門連續派了３年錢，澳門人以自己的親身經歷體會到現金不能對他們的生活困難的改變有太多的幫助。反而認同政府應該利用這些錢去採取一些實際行動解決社會問題。這才是一個對人民對社會負責任的政府。

澳門人跟你分享了他們的經歷和體會，你反而說他們是笨蛋。我覺得正真蠢仔的是阿力你。

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-2-26 18:19

就因為澳門連續派了３年錢，澳門人以自己的親身經歷體會到現金不能對他們的生活困難的改變有太多的幫助。 ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-2-26 15:39

去仆街啦你！

人地澳門就係前後袋咗4、5次錢，生活壓力減輕咗啲，而且澳門本來面對嘅貧富懸殊就遠遠無香港咁犀利，所以就可以繼續下一步嘅要求。

反觀香港...diu...理由我講咗9萬幾次喇。而且，香港嘅財政儲備，就算係端人頭計都遠遠咁高過澳門。人地澳門少咁多錢都肯派俾自己澳門人，你香港特衰政府就偏偏要做守財奴？

啲狗官需要同你條撚樣一齊去仆街死！

-力

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-2-26 18:35

而且，香港嘅財政儲備，就算係端人頭計都遠遠咁高過澳門。人地澳門少咁多錢都肯派俾自己澳門人，你香港特衰政府就偏偏要做守財奴？
Lik 發表於 2011-2-26 18:19

To further elaborate on this point, the HKSAR government is so filthy stinking rich at this point that it is entirely capable of both giving out money AND take further actions to alleviate social problems. It isn't like they can only choose to do one or the other, but not both. There is so much money in the reserves that they can take on all sorts of actions to lower living costs and fight inflation and STILL give out money.

When you don't know shxt, please, just STFU.

-Lik

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2011-2-26 18:48

3 clowns ignore the voice of the majority of HK people
and try to fool the LYK

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-2-26 19:36

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-2-26 19:42 編輯

To further elaborate on this point, the HKSAR government is so filthy stinking rich at this point t ...
Lik 發表於 2011-2-26 18:35

Coward Lik, why did you not have the gut to answer my questions directly?

If you have the gut to answer the questions I asked, you will realize how stupid you are.

Once again, just answer my questions directly instead of running away like a dog.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-2-26 19:41

3 clowns ignore the voice of the majority of HK people
and try to fool the LYK
somewhereintime 發表於 2011-2-26 18:48

Why don't we just let the Hong Kong people make a proposal for every policy and vote on each one of them. The policy receives the most vote will be accepted and implemented.

How about that? Does it sound great? How stupid you are.

Just list your counter points directly relating to what I said (direct quote please) if you know what you are talking about .

Unfortunately, I won't expect you having any understanding of economic concepts at all.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-2-27 19:18

去仆街啦你！

人地澳門就係前後袋咗4、5次錢，生活壓力減輕咗啲，而且澳門本來面對嘅貧富懸殊就遠遠無香 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-2-27 10:19

香港同澳門冇得比. 澳門人人都走去做荷官, 反而有d 有heart 既大學生出黎做野, 人工會低過做賭場好多. 我完全唔覺得呢個係一個正常既社會law.

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-2-27 20:00

香港同澳門冇得比. 澳門人人都走去做荷官, 反而有d 有heart 既大學生出黎做野, 人工會低過做賭場好多. 我 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-2-27 19:18

唔一定要做荷官。自從賭博牌開放咗之後，澳門娛樂事業唔係淨係得賭錢，而且賭場同其他大公司一樣，都需要各種 business support 嘅人來做正經野：餐廳要侍應、酒店要各式人員等等。

雖然賭業始終都係一門獨大，但唔多唔少都帶歇到個市嘅其他野。而不爭嘅事實亦係，啲人有工做、有飯開、有人工加（仲要有錢派），唔似香港咁PK。

-力

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-2-27 20:30

唔一定要做荷官。自從賭博牌開放咗之後，澳門娛樂事業唔係淨係得賭錢，而且賭場同其他大公司一樣，都需要 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-2-28 12:00

可能你地果邊比較少d 澳門既資訊喇.
小弟因公作關係識到少少macau friends, 佢地都係叫做專專地既專業人任. 佢地同我講, 而家好難請人, 因為好多大學生都係為左錢而返賭場工, 衰就衰在只有賭場有關既行業先比得起呢個價去請人. 只好睇下可唔可以幸運地搵到一d 有抱負既大學生, 而又唔介紹人工少過o係賭場做, 而又只係中五畢業既o靚仔.

身為一個扮哂專業既MJJ, 我覺得呢個現象一d 都唔健康, 衰過香港多多聲. 當然, 香港都唔係好得去邊啦.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-2-27 20:39

而不爭嘅事實亦係，啲人有工做、有飯開、有人工加（仲要有錢派），唔似香港咁PK。
Lik 發表於 2011-2-28 12:00

好多人都有工開, 完全係因為個賭字... 我始終都覺得唔健康.

派錢, 即係比d 錢比市民駛. 好老實, 我覺得有錢都唔應該比市民駛, 而係政府應該用d 錢去effectively 做一d 對市民有利既事. 不過乜野係對市民有利, 呢個我覺得而家呢個政府冇乜人諗到.

針冇兩頭利, 派錢只係一個權宜之計, 大家呢一剎那就開心既, 但駛完d 錢就會好似冇野發生過咁, 有鬼用咩. 我覺得可以派錢, 不過應該剩係派比d 有需要既人, 而唔係人人有份. 可惜呢個世界有好多自私既人, 佢地會覺得仲乜只有窮人先收到錢, 自己年年交咁多稅都好似有受惠, 又會o係度叫囂. 佢地唔諗下唔係香港比到一個好環境, 佢地邊有可能搵到錢? 你試下將d 所謂中產send 哂去埃塞和比亞, 睇下佢地仲有冇能力做"中產"?

低能兼白痴又唔合乎現實既MJJ 覺得, 知足常樂, 更需要幫助有需要既人, 呢個先係一個理想既社會.

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-2-27 20:50

好多人都有工開, 完全係因為個賭字... 我始終都覺得唔健康.

派錢, 即係比d 錢比市民駛. 好老實, 我覺得有 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-2-27 20:39

I agree with you, who actually is in Hong Kong. There are many ignorant people here in Canada that just wants to interfere with Hong Kong affairs, while ignoring their own the budget deficit and big public debt in US/UK/Canada.

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2011-2-27 21:29

本帖最後由 somewhereintime 於 2011-2-27 21:35 編輯

Another bunch of rubbish.
I spent 18 full years living in HK, I still have sibling and connection in HK,
why you are so scare for anyone sticking up against the SAR govt?
Do you ever read newspaper or listening to radio at all?
Who would, other than the CCP agents in HK support the budget?
name your partners if you dare.
I say the idiot would amend his budget in 2 weeks time, before he got kicked out from the caucus.
Do you have any common sense or do you know what universal value is?
Ooops, it is a big taboo for CCP.I did not start posting here until #50

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2011-2-27 21:54

本帖最後由 somewhereintime 於 2011-2-27 22:01 編輯

F.Y.I. the term 人民公敵 is created by top CCP strategist in 1969 as part of
Mao's coup to overthrow  Liu,  the then Chairman of State so it is a  classic CCP internal
power struggling tool. But Chen ended up  as the victim of his own plan, jailed with the title he created,
Therefore it is not  inappropriate to align  人民公敵 with CCP, do some homework
to become an elite CCP boy.I read many of Chen's articles, he was a master of propaganda, also Jiang Ging's old lover, no wonder
he  got burnt after his mission accomplished.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-2-27 22:47

F.Y.I. the term 人民公敵 is created by top CCP strategist in 1969 as part of
Mao's coup to overthrow ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2011-2-27 21:54

Can I ask what the hell does this piece of information relate to the topic we are discussing here?

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-2-27 22:49

I agree with you, who actually is in Hong Kong. There are many ignorant people here in Canada that ...
peter236 發表於 2011-2-28 12:50

Peter 仔, 你唔好食住小弟條水好wor...

任何人, 對香港, 對中國有心既話, 無論係正面or 負面, 都係無任歡迎既.
一個開明既社會, 都唔應該剩係想聽到一d 擦鞋仔既意見, 咁樣社會邊會有進步架?

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-2-28 00:23

Another bunch of rubbish.
I spent 18 full years living in HK, I still have sibling and connection ...
I say the idiot would amend his budget in 2 weeks time, before he got kicked out from the caucus.
somewhereintime 發表於 2011-2-27 21:29

wahahaha,"before he got kicked out from the caucus" for what? For producing probably the largest government budget surplus in the world?
yeah, all of US/Japan/Canada finance ministers should be kicked out now.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-2-28 00:28

wahahaha,"before he got kicked out from the caucus" for what? For producing probably the largest g ...
peter236 發表於 2011-2-28 16:23

你搞到我覺得自己好似好有錢, 好似一個暴發戶咁. 嘻嘻~

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-2-28 00:54

wahahaha,"before he got kicked out from the caucus" for what? For producing probably the largest g ...
peter236 發表於 2011-2-28 00:23

條契弟今朝見完民賤聯已經放遠咗口氣，叫做改咗些少口風。全城繼續 diu 佢嘅話，你睇條粉腸改唔改份財政預算？

-力

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-2-28 01:03

http://inews.mingpao.com/htm/inews/20110228/gb11546p.htm

政府快公布預算案改善措施 (15:46)

財政司司長曾俊華會見建制派議員討論預算案後表示，會研究具體改善方案，很快會作出公布。

曾俊華下午會見20多名建制派立法會議員，討論預算案。會後他指出，議員提出了關於強積金注資、N無人士、退稅、人口老化等問題，他表示，明白社會的關注，他會研究具體改善方案，很快會作出公布。

他形容，這次是一個很有用的溝通過程，他會好好利用這次機會，作出改善。

今次出席的議員包括民建聯譚耀宗、葉國謙、李慧垰、自由黨劉健儀、經濟動力林健鋒、工聯會黃國健、王國興、新民黨葉劉淑儀及獨立議員詹培忠等，主要關注強積金注資六千元的問題。

參與會面的官員還包括財經事務及庫務局局長陳家強、特首辦主任譚志源。

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-2-28 01:07

跟住民賤聯又可以食住上咁話：「成功爭取財政預算微調優化方案」！

我&@(#*$@(*#$，全香港全天候咁去 diu柒呢份財政預算案，然後你民賤聯就企出來認屎認屁來邀功？果然不愧係「民建聯最無恥」嘅本色。

-力

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-2-28 02:11

今期星期日檔案唔錯

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-2-28 09:51

今期星期日檔案唔錯
快樂牛郎發表於 2011-2-28 02:11

哪哪聲 post 條 Youtube link 出來啦。

-力

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-2-28 10:59

哪哪聲 post 條 Youtube link 出來啦。

-力
Lik 發表於 2011/2/28 09:51

Doesn't look like it's out yet.

I am totally fine with the gov not handing out cash to bums or adults with low income, but they should really support kids who are struggling financially.

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2011-2-28 11:14

本帖最後由 somewhereintime 於 2011-2-28 11:27 編輯

回復 62# peter236

I said the idiot will amend his stupid budget,
or the HKer will shove him to rubbish , is it clear?
it is only the 3rd day.
So what are you going to say?
He  listens to the public's voice? He said his budget is the best possible,
and there is NO room for amending.
If you really care about HKers
Go to HK and do something meaningful instead of
wasting your  time spreading propagandas here.
I have been working hard to promote chinese culture and stutus here for 30+ years,
what have you done other than sucking the CCP?PS : I do not have time to check on nonsense posting so I may not reply. My credentials can
be easily obtained from the local benevolent societies and organizations so go ahead and
  do personal attack. The majority LYK know  the colour of your underwear.
I NEVER DENY THAT I'm Chinese Canadian and be proud of it, what about you?

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-2-28 12:03

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-2-28 12:07 編輯

回復 peter236

I said the idiot will amend his stupid budget,
or the HKer will shove him ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2011-2-28 11:14

You just STFU, if you want to do something for Hong Kong, just go back there rather than staying here in Canada where there is big public debt. Supporting Hong Kong/China, does not mean supporting the CCP. Do you understand this you fool?
Hong Kong probably has the world's largest budget surplus.

I don't care about your credentials in Canada at all. They are irrelevant to this discussion or to hong kong.

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-2-28 13:11

You just STFU, if you want to do something for Hong Kong, just go back there rather than staying he ...
peter236 發表於 2011-2-28 12:03

where are you now?
In HK?

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-2-28 16:51

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