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作者: librazhy 時間: 2011-7-3 09:28 標題: 買WINDOWS 7 應該買64BIT 定係買32BIT﹖

買WINDOWS 7 應該買64BIT 定係買32BIT?

thanks

作者: librazhy 時間: 2011-7-3 09:53

when I read the system requirements for the 64 bit windows 7, it looks like that it can be installed on both 32bitCPU & 64bitCPU...

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2011-7-3 10:04

64bit unless u have some badly written legacy software, super old CPU, or less then 2GB ram.

作者: librazhy 時間: 2011-7-3 10:10

Is athlon 3500+ a 32 bitCPU or 64bitCPU?

Is 1.50GB RAM acceptable?

thanks

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2011-7-3 10:16

Athlon64 3500+ is a 64bit cpu.

However, I strongly suggest NOT to install Win 7 on it. It's way too old with too little ram.

Install XP or Linux on it.

作者: librazhy 時間: 2011-7-3 10:24

okay then. sticking with xp until the system dies.

is it a waste of money to add ram for that oldold athlon 3500?

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2011-7-3 10:36

yes, because your ancient DDR ram is not cheap.

作者: librazhy 時間: 2011-7-3 10:42

good , I like honest opinion even-though reality is cruel.

thx acc

ok, changing plan. For photo editing(my main usage), opening/editing a lot of RAW files at the same time, which system would you get? A pc or a mackintosh?

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2011-7-3 11:43

Hmm... that I'll leave that to the experts.

RAM (4-6gb) and hard drive speed (SSD? or RAID-0 or RAID-1) is important here. Video card is important as well since the latest Photoshop makes use of the GPU to accelerate certain operations and filters.

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-7-3 18:39

I find that nowadays, brand name computers are as good a buy, or are sometimes better buys than white box build-it-yourself machines. During the Dell Deals sale, for example, you can get a very decent system (Core i3, 8GB RAM, Win7 64-bit, 1TB HDD, etc. for $700 with LCD included) for a very attractive price.

A PC like that has more than enough horsepower for your photo-editing needs la.

-Lik

作者: librazhy 時間: 2011-7-3 22:21

I found my Intel 3GHz (2GB ram) is slightly faster than the Amd 3500 (1.5GB ram) photo editing-wise, but the amd3500 is faster than my intel 3GHz in online gaming wise. However, I don't play online games anymore.

I don't know how to say; when I process JPG photos, they are like lightning response. No matter open, edit, save/close.

The problem is when I open RAW photo files, takes average 5 seconds to 100% open a photo, color editing takes 2 seconds, exposure editing takes 4 seconds, noise editing takes 16 seconds, saving jpg takes <2 seconds, but saving the RAW takes 10 seconds.

sometimes I really curious if mackintosh can perform all these RAW tasks within a second.

for the photo uploading part, I really don't mind because I just connect the camera to the pc & go to the kitchen to find something to eat while uploading.

But photo editing is my main concern, it's because I usually sit in front of the LCD & wait. tbh, I don't want to gamble a few hundred$ to buy an i3 system that is just a hair faster than my p4 3GHz. Unless the pc users here guarantee that the i3 can perform all the photo editing with less than a second.

and earlier there was a thread said that the new pc system plays HD movie very smooth. But this will not trigger me to buy another new system because I don't like to watch movies in the small screen. actually weeks later I will start another thread to ask people how to watch HK TV in the 40"+ plasma/LED/LCD with the minium cost

作者: librazhy 時間: 2011-7-3 22:43

regarding hard drive speed, are the (SSD? or RAID-0 or RAID-1) noticeably alot faster?

I bought some ata100,ata133 hd transfer kit before, it's just a hair faster than the ide.
And I bought a sata before, it's just a little faster than the former. eventhough the 5400rpm ones are slow, they are pretty quite & reliable. The 7200rpm was a little faster, but it's pretty noisy as well. And I bought the raptor 10000rpm before, it didn't last very long and I throw it into the garbage can.

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-7-3 23:33

Athlon64 single core with 1.5GB RAM is super ging old and completely out-dated la.

Also, what program are you using to do your photo editing sin? The more complicated / data or CPU-intensive operations in Photoshop are never going to be lightning fast unless you have a really high end machine. LR, on the other hand, has a much faster workflow. If you are using LR3, it can already do a lot of what only PS was capable a version or two ago.

-Lik

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2011-7-4 00:15

If you get the retail version of Win7, it comes with both 32 and 64bit. Only OEM is seperated.

32bit for 3GB of RAM or less. 64bit for 3GB or more.

Philip

作者: librazhy 時間: 2011-7-4 08:00

I use image data to do raw files editing. It's way more complicated than editing JPG files. I don't have LR, is it fast for editing RAW files? I want something to be able to perform the RAW files editing tasks within a second. And that something can be a better software or a custom photo-editing built hardware.

作者: librazhy 時間: 2011-7-4 08:02

pkphilip, please check pm

thx

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2011-7-4 08:35

http://www.tomshardware.com/char ... dobe-Photoshop-CS-5,2426.html

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2011-7-4 08:39

LR 3 is so good. You can get a real copy for $100 when it's on sale. It makes the workflow faster. I am running it on old dual core/4G ram. It is as fast as I ever want.

With an IPS monitor, you are professional setup for less that $800?

作者: librazhy 時間: 2011-7-4 09:26

Look4chrisng兄﹐通常影完相﹐百幾二百個RAW FILES 番屋企。請問你用LR3 來開每一個RAW的平均時間是多少秒(100%OPEN)﹖註﹕我的電腦要用約5秒

我的電腦調較顏色平均要用約2秒﹐較曝光/對比平均要用4秒﹐最耐是滅噪點﹐平均要成16秒﹐最後CLOSE FILE 前要SAVE RAW﹐ 平均又要10秒。

我想問你用LR3來實行以上的每一項調較工作平均要用多少秒﹐能否每一項都一秒搞掂﹖

不好意思﹐這句With an IPS monitor, you are professional setup for less that $800? 我看不懂﹐可有中文版本﹖

thx

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-7-4 09:30

I don't have LR, is it fast for editing RAW files? I want something to be able to perform the RAW files editing tasks within a second. And that something can be a better software or a custom photo-editing built hardware.
librazhy 發表於 2011-7-4 08:00

What kind of editing are you doing to the RAW files sin?

I am not familiar with LR3 b/c I only have LR2, but even with LR2, it can do 90% of the RAW file editing / adjustments that I do.

IPS LCDs have gotten really cheap as well. I saw an ad for a 23" HD one for just over $200 the other day. Almost made me want to buy it right on the spot.

-Lik

作者: librazhy 時間: 2011-7-4 09:34

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作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2011-7-4 09:37

回復 21# librazhy

corrected:
http://www.tomshardware.com/char ... shop-CS-5,2426.html

作者: librazhy 時間: 2011-7-4 09:40

What kind of editing are you doing to the RAW files sin?

I am not familiar with LR3 b/c I only hav ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-4 09:30

I often edit RAW files with 調較顏色平均要用約2秒﹐較曝光/對比平均要用4秒﹐最耐是滅噪點﹐平均要成16秒﹐最後CLOSE FILE 前要SAVE RAW﹐ 平均又要10秒。

我想問你用LR2來實行以上的每一項調較工作平均要用多少秒﹐能否每一項都一秒搞掂﹖

作者: ricrick 時間: 2011-7-4 09:49

緊係愈多ram愈好啦，當然買64bit windows 7

when u import raw files into lightroom, it will gen preview files for u to work with. in other words, it takes 0 sec for u to open a raw file.

作者: librazhy 時間: 2011-7-4 09:54

VIEW 縮圖唔夠大﹐因為(個人要求)睇ACTUAL SIZE

作者: chobit 時間: 2011-7-4 09:56

I agree with Lik. Brand new are relatively cheap these days. Unless u need something higher end, you have lots of choices.
At the very end, it depends on your budget.

I find that nowadays, brand name computers are as good a buy, or are sometimes better buys than whit ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-3 18:39

作者: ricrick 時間: 2011-7-4 09:57

Look4chrisng兄﹐通常影完相﹐百幾二百個RAW FILES 番屋企。請問你用LR3 來開每一個RAW的平均時間是多少秒( ...
librazhy 發表於 2011-7-4 09:26

since u work with preview files in lightroom, every change u make appears instantly and u don't need to save. it won't do anything to ur raw files until you export the files at the end.

作者: ricrick 時間: 2011-7-4 10:03

本帖最後由 ricrick 於 2011-7-4 10:04 編輯

VIEW 縮圖唔夠大﹐因為(個人要求)睇ACTUAL SIZE
librazhy 發表於 2011-7-4 09:54

it gen actual size preview files
try it urself, you will understand. nobody uses photoshop for batch editing. its a pain in the ass when u use photoshop to edit 1000+ photos

you can download trial version here
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshoplightroom/

作者: librazhy 時間: 2011-7-4 10:08

廳橋晒, let me try try

作者: librazhy 時間: 2011-7-4 10:18

本帖最後由 librazhy 於 2011-7-4 10:41 編輯

I need to find my service pack 3 xp disk, can't remember where I put it

and LR requires it to run

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-7-4 10:27

I often edit RAW files with 調較顏色平均要用約2秒﹐較曝光/對比平均要用4秒﹐最耐是滅噪點﹐平均要成16秒﹐最後CLOSE FILE 前要SAVE RAW﹐ 平均又要10秒。

我想問你用LR2來實行以上的每一項調較工作平均要用多少秒﹐能否每一項都一秒搞掂﹖
librazhy 發表於 2011-7-4 09:40

Others have already told you that your RAW pics are automatically shown by LR as previews (after you imported them into the LR library), so you have instant access to all the features you need. Even on my 4 year old piece of crap machine (dead slow Athlon 64 X2 with 4GB RAM), all the adjustments are instant. I don't recall LR2 having any noise reduction features (or maybe it does, but I've never used it before), but I think LR3 has a pretty good NR function. No idea if it is as good as Noise Ninja though...

Still, even though Lightroom may sound like an answer to your problem, I'd say you might as well just upgrade to a new computer while you're at it la. With desktops, even $400 - $500 can buy you a lot more processing power than your ancient single core computer la.

-Lik

作者: librazhy 時間: 2011-7-4 10:38

thanks everybody's inputs, the software Lightroom is the solution.

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2011-7-4 11:47

回復 19# librazhy

how long it opens files? I open faster than I bling. In this age, if you have to wait, it is tooooo slow. (expect transfering file from camera to PC)

About IPS monitors, all Apple monitors are IPS I think. You have to see it yourself. if you are try to show it to client, get a Macbook just for the monitor.

作者: librazhy 時間: 2011-7-4 22:20

I think my raw editing software (image data_)consumes alot of cpu resources, like the c5s, single target editing.

I'm sure the LR is great since many users highly recommend it, multi-targets editing with very few cpu demand.

There's a slight chance that my oldie pc can run the LR with no waiting time. I will find out later. But I'm not sure if my copy of win xp sp3 still exist in my home. LR3 requires SP3.

I've googled IPS monitors, it's strength is the super wide viewing angle 178 degree without color distortion. In my situation, I don't really need IPS because 2 of my samsungs, 24" tft & 22"lcd, they both don't have any angle viewing problems. But,......, these samsungs are not reliable. Once it dies, I'll switch to LG/asus 27s. Anyways, photography is only one of my hobbies, I don't have any clients.

But, the apple mac store has the 27"imac which catches my eyes. $1699 + tax , so around $1900

Been using pc for 16 years since 1995, maybe it's time to try a mac. it has i5 quad core, 4GB ram, 1TB hd, ati6000 series video, plus a thundbolt port if I remember correctly. and it has 4 usb2.0, not the 3.0

the hardware should be an overkill since I only have one usage, photo editing. and it's not commercial, just personal use.

But, I'm still missing the 1635 2.8, it's about $12000 hkd

idk, will see

thanks for the inputs earlier

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2011-7-5 00:46

本帖最後由 pkphilip 於 2011-7-5 00:47 編輯

Mac is good for the job, but you can get something similar for less. You should get a decent computer for under $1400, IPS monitor included.

Photo editing/processing is best to work with a multi-core processors, the i5 or i7 is highly recommended. Video card, you can get anything around $150 and it should sufficiently handle anything. Even the Intel HD Graphics on the new Sandy-Bridge CPUs are very capable. HDD, I would go for RAID option because of the increased speed. I will do 3 discs RAID if budget allow so I can do mirroring at the same time.

Dell Ultrasharp series are all IPS, if on sale, 24" could be had for about $400. It is the cheapest IPS display compare to Lacie, Viewsonic or Apple.

If going for Apple, I would get a Mac Pro over 27" iMac because the new iMac is expensive to service as EVERYTHING except RAM has to be bought from Apple, even hard drives are running special connector and Apple firmware.

Philip

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-7-5 09:12

Philip,

I saw a Dell 23" IPS LCD for just a hair over $200 bucks la. And the thing is HD capable (something x 1080, I think?) as well. Hardware is crazy cheap these days. But a 24" IPS LCD at an even higher resolution was $400+ as you were saying.

IPS LCD isn't just good for its wider viewing angle. The colour gamut of the device is also wider than the TN panels and produces richer and more intense colours. For any type of photography work, they are definitely worth every penny, esp when they are so cheap.

-Lik

作者: chobit 時間: 2011-7-5 10:04

PC vs Mac
Like pkp. suggested.  The hardware performance / Cost ratio is better on a PC than a Mac.  But then some people found Mac OS easier to use, so that you as a user can do your work quicker.
As for the monitor, while it is important to get a decent monitor, color correction, and color match is a relatively complicate matter.  In most cases, it depends on where you images ends.
Say, view by average consumer monitor (sRGB)?  Printing them at pro. Lab, using your own printer, which aren't or are color calibrate??
I am also find many photography add-on or tools are updated or release as PC software first, before Mac.  This is something that you may also want to keep in mind.  if I remember correctly, Adobe CS4 64bit or LR 64bit was release on PC 1st.
My 2 cents.

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