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標題: 京滬高鐵車軸現裂紋 長7.1毫米 鐵道部未披露 [打印本頁]
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-8-21 16:38     標題: 京滬高鐵車軸現裂紋 長7.1毫米 鐵道部未披露

【明報專訊】北車集團早前召回在京滬高鐵運營的54列CRH380BL型動車組，內地財新《新世紀》周刊披露，召回的真正原因是該型號深處看不見的輪軸裂紋，而鐵道部對此一直秘而不宣。調查還發現，該型號動車的車輪供應商，便是因賄賂前鐵道部長劉志軍而被拘受查的山西女商人丁書苗所屬公司。

報道說，7月15日，濟南車輛段動車所的探傷工，在用探傷器對一輛北車生產的CRH380BL列車作例行檢查時發現，超聲波探測車軸時屏幕顯示波幅度異常。探傷報告指，在靠近齒輪有一處長7.1毫米、高2.4毫米的裂紋，要求「換軸」。之前，同類的問題已經發現了6至7宗。

運作不過半月 疑製作缺陷

車軸是連接列車一對車輪的關鍵部件，動力軸若出現2毫米及以上的材質缺陷，就須報廢，否則可能造成車輛斷軸、脫軌顛覆，造成車毁人亡的慘劇。專家指，京滬高鐵列車上路不過半月，動力軸處的裂紋，不大可能是機械疲勞導致，只能是材質問題或製作缺陷。

供應商為丁書苗所有

據《新世紀》調查，CRH380BL的車輪供應商是智奇鐵路設備有限公司，其實際控制人便是山西女商人丁書苗。智奇是目前內地唯一一家高速動車組輪對（一對車輪）生產和檢修基地。這家公司2006年成立，其產品在高鐵列車上廣泛使用。南車一位人士稱，因鐵道部過去設置的高門檻，其他競爭者要生產高鐵列車車輪仍需一定時間。

滬昨再停運9班車

8月11日，北車集團公告召回正在京滬高鐵運營的54列CRH380BL型動車組，但公告中將故障原因主要歸為「傳感器誤報」。但多位鐵路專家認為，已發現的問題應是批量性的問題或設計上的缺陷，只能透過全面召回解決。直至現在，北車始終未對外披露發現動力軸裂紋一事，鐵道部未就此問題展開實質性行動。

另外，上海鐵路局昨日宣布，從28日起，該局停開9班京滬、滬杭來回高鐵列車，其中滬杭高鐵減少7班（來回）。這是繼8月16日之後，上海鐵路局再次停運高鐵列車，其中京滬高鐵列車從最初的73對減至50對。
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-21 17:09

一直讚高鐵讚到上天嘅 Peter仔呢？一直支持起高鐵嘅FY同Rocky呢？點解全部死撚散唔知去邊度？

-力
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-8-21 18:01

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-8-21 18:02 編輯
一直讚高鐵讚到上天嘅 Peter仔呢？一直支持起高鐵嘅FY同Rocky呢？點解全部死撚散唔知去邊度？

-力 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-8-21 17:09


Fuxking mad dog Lik,

You just won't stop wasting my time. Educating you is not my obligation and it is your parents' job.

The need of high-speed railway networks and the mechanical/design flaw are absolutely independent issues. How many people had died for the development of aero-transportation? Why did we not see you ever bash the airplane you have been taking?

The fuxking idiot just keeps wasting my time.  
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-21 18:24

While the railway network and flaws are in theory independent, in practice, the bewildering pace at which China attempted to build the network and the overwhelming amount of corruption means that the railway cannot be build without addressing those problems first.

If you can't even fxxking get the priorities right, just STFU la!

-Lik
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-8-21 18:33

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-8-21 18:36 編輯
While the railway network and flaws are in theory independent, in practice, the bewildering pace at  ...
Lik 發表於 2011-8-21 18:24


Can you Fuxking Idiot see the NEED of railway network and the pace of building and as well the problem of corruption are also INDEPENDENT issues?

Will the need of the network change if the pace of building and the problem of corruption change?

If you can not get your fuxking brain straight, then just STFU!

Don't waste my time with your fuxking worthless craps.
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-21 20:05

With the corruption problems right now, for every $10 the Central Government gave to build the railway, I don't even know if $1 would actually make it to the railway construction itself. Furthermore, previous news has already exposed that the high carbon clay or something that is required for high speed rail was replaced with some cheap low carbon substitute. Additionally, rail bed is sinking way too fast because the pre-sinking has not been done.

What's the point of wasting money and building all this quality-plagued "high speed rail" when the fundamental hasn't even been addressed?!

Shut the fxxk up la, you fxxking piece of shxt!

-Lik
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-8-21 20:11

回復 6# Lik

IMO, I think the system can only be distinguished to "at risk" for present, it's not categorized as "dangerous" yet... 'If' the railway authority do cope with the Central government (very likely for now), we don't need to be that pessimistic...
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-8-21 20:30

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-8-21 20:34 編輯
With the corruption problems right now, for every $10 the Central Government gave to build the railw ...
Lik 發表於 2011-8-21 20:05


Let’s say you are hungry and your mom cooks for you. Because of your mom’s improper food handling and cooking method, the food is contaminated and becomes poisonous. After the meal, you are rushed to hospital because of food poisoning.

Will you say you should not have been hungry since your mom cannot cook properly? Will you not be hungry nor take foods until your mom can cook properly and handle food safely?

Can you see your stupidity now?

Get your fuxking brain straight first before showing your stupidity again.

What a waste of my time when I have to do his parents’ job!!!     
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-21 20:57

Are you fxxking stupid or what?!

When I saw the obvious signs that the food has been contaminated and becomes poisonous, I would be downright stupid to eat it still. In fact, the moment I saw the contamination took place, I would have stopped her the right there and then, and prepare the food all over from scratch.

There is all kinds of obvious signs of things going wrong during the construction phase of the high speed rail. Dramatically compressed time lines that were according to experience from Germany and Japan, that the pre-construction submerging has not been complete. Given the massive amount of high carbon clay (or whatever material it was) that was required because China was building such an extensive rail network, the entire world's production output of that high carbon clay wouldn't have been enough to meet China's demand. The writings were all over the wall.

Go eat your poisonous shxt and go fxxking die la, PK~!

-Lik
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-8-21 21:07

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-8-21 21:12 編輯
Are you fxxking stupid or what?!

When I saw the obvious signs that the food has been contaminated a ...
Lik 發表於 2011-8-21 20:57


Are you fuxking brain death or what?

Yes, you can chuck the food into the garbage bin if your mom cannot cook properly. However, does your need for food to fill your stomach have anything to do with whether your mom can cook properly?

Answer me directly fuxking idiot --  "Does your physical need for food depend on whether your mom can cook properly?"


You fuxking idiot mad dog will never have the gut to answer me.  

YOU ARE JUST FUXKING STUPID!!!

What a waste of my time again.   
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-21 21:20

Fuking moron,

If your mom can't even cook the food without turning them into poison (that is, if China can't even address the corruption problem and lack of proper rail track materials), why would you not stop her from cooking the moment you discover it?

Look who is fxxking stupid here.

-Lik
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-8-21 21:23

好地地一條thread, 最終成為活躍會員口頭性愛既場所, 可悲也.
作者: Guy    時間: 2011-8-21 21:24

本帖最後由 Guy 於 2011-8-21 21:28 編輯

回復 8# rockypath

Technically I don't disagree both of your argument ....both are true and unideal...until "the mom cooking" theory....

Rockypath, please answer your own (modified) questions..when I change your theory conditions slightly...

Let’s say you are hungry and your mom orders servants cook for you. Because of your mom’s servants, who do not think about the damages of improper food handling and cooking method, contaminate the food is contaminated and the food becomes poisonous. After the meal, you are rushed to hospital because of food poisoning.

You asked:
Will you say you should not have been hungry since because your mom cannot find someone cook for you properly?
Will you not be hungry nor take foods until your mom canfood are cooked properly and handle food safely?


Mom's intention always right and well thought
it's just the person in the middle who take care of business doing the damages.
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-8-21 21:34

Are you fxxking stupid or what?!

When I saw the obvious signs that the food has been contaminated a ...
Lik 發表於 2011-8-21 20:57


You fuking moron. China burns a lot of coal. China produces sufficient high carbon clay.
Again,, you are a fuking moron.
作者: Guy    時間: 2011-8-21 21:43

回復 12# mcjohnjohn


    可悲可悲 very 可悲

They all saying the truth tho, but they don't take the time to understand each other's thoughts.

A fact against a fact, but both of them exist.
This argument is never going to conclude anything.

Where is the Hierarchy of Disagreement again?
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-8-21 23:45

Fuking moron,

If your mom can't even cook the food without turning them into poison (that is, if Ch ...
Lik 發表於 2011-8-21 21:20


You fuxking moron,

Just answer my question directly – “Does your physical need for food depend on whether your mom can cook properly?”

Get your gut out and tell us – YES or NO. Will you fuxking coward dare to say YES or NO?

I will wait for you fuxking coward and see whether you have the gut to answer it.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-8-21 23:51

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-8-22 00:02 編輯
回復  rockypath

Technically I don't disagree both of your argument ....both are true and unideal.. ...
Guy 發表於 2011-8-21 21:24



Is my statement that difficult to understand? Ok, I try to restate it in a different way.

A:        You are hungry and you need food to fill your stomach (China needs a high-speed railway network for its future development).

B:        Your mom cooks for you (China builds the railway on its own).

C:        Your mom hires a servant to cook for you (China hires Japan to build the railway for it).

E:        Your mom cannon cook properly (China cannot build the railway because of its technical problems and corruption).

F:        The servant can cook wonderfully (Japanese technology is very advanced far beyond what is required and Japan has no corruption problem).

The logic is:

#1:        You are hungry. Does it have anything to do with who is cooking?  NO! If you are hungry, then you are hungry. It has nothing to do with who is cooking or no one is cooking for you.

#2:        You are hungry. Does it have anything to do with whether your mom can cook properly?  NO! If you are hungry, then you are hungry. It has nothing to do with whether your mom know how to cook or how wonderfully the servant she hires can cook.  Or you have to cook it for yourself.

OK, do you understand the statement I wanted to make now – China’s need for high-speed railway networks for its future development has nothing to do with its technical flaws or corruption problem?  

Last, mom’s intention has nothing to do with whether his son is hungry or not. If a son is hungry, then he is hungry regardless mom’s intention is good or bad.

Do I have to find another method to make my statement more clear?
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-22 09:47

Moron,

I never said China's need for high speed rail network have anything to do with the technical flaws and corruption problem. However, if the mom is only capable of cooking poisonous food right now, then obviously, the only sensible solution is to prevent mom from cooking, and make sure her cooking is problem free before allowing her to cook again. If it means hiring a servant to do the cooking, or if it means not eating home-cooked food, so be it.

The same line of reasoning applies in China's case. The point of contention here is the corruption and technical problems need to be fixed first, before China attempts to build something this high tech. If it means simply hiring the Japanese to build the trains, tracks, and such for them, so be it. If it means sticking to traditional trains that only goes up to however slow they go (120-ish?), so be it.

This is the same line of reasoning that I've been saying all along. It's just that you are too fxxking stupid to understand this.

-Lik
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-8-22 10:12

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-8-22 10:15 編輯
Moron,

I never said China's need for high speed rail network have anything to do with the technical ...
Lik 發表於 2011-8-22 09:47


So, you finally admit physical need for food (China needs high-speed railway networks) has not thing to do with whether your mom can cook properly (whether China has the capability to build properly)?!

This is just a lesson telling you to use your brain more instead of your ass if you want to challenge me next time.

It was you who 先撩人者賤 （特別是不懷好意） - “一直讚高鐵讚到上天嘅 Peter仔呢？一直支持起高鐵嘅FY同Rocky呢？點解全部死撚散唔知去邊度？” (direct quote from your own words in post #2).

Just quote what I said exactly about China high-speed railway instead of putting words into my mouth.

1)        Did I support the building of high-speed railway network?  YES.
2)        Did I support the pace of building?                NO.
3)        Did I support the size of the network being build?                NO.
4)        Was I concerned about the safety of the network (both technical and operational)?                YES.
5)        Did I recognize the problem of corruption?        YES.

If you are looking for someone to fuxk here, that person can only be yourself.



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