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作者: 老友四號    時間: 2011-9-24 11:53     標題: 辛亥百年有感。

一百年前如果孫中山和革命先烈們都是「口中說愛國而X忽在外國」；精人出口笨人出手般的遙遠革命，

相信我們现在可能仍然拖著髮辨子。

如果 周恩來 鄧小平 也都遙遠愛國的話，相信共和國的歷史上不會有他們的名字。

任何國家的國民都要愛他們的國家，這是國民的責任。可是一定要是身體力行真心的愛，不是"撈了油水

就移居外國" 這類既得利益的遙遠的愛。這是 假愛國。
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-9-24 12:14

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-9-24 12:18 編輯

回復 1# 老友四號

Umm... that's dangerous... I often disagree with binary division to catergorize people, especially...

Other than black or white, there's a colour called grey... And, how can one distinguish the differnce between dark grey and light black or light grey with dark white...
作者: Ovaltine    時間: 2011-9-24 12:34

Too much patriotism will fall prey to propaganda machines, Chinese and American are the good examples. Both countries' citizens are very misinformed about their state affairs.
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-9-24 13:00

本帖最後由 ricrick 於 2011-9-24 13:02 編輯

邊我甘把炮想搞革命？
我是回歸前「逃命」出來的，無油水撈
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-9-24 13:01

佢條老淫蟲，就喺"撈了油水就移居外國",嘅最佳例子喇.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-9-24 14:13

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-9-24 14:15 編輯

People immigrate to a foreign country for many reasons. Should they be called a “traitor” for moving to another country? I don’t think so. Should people be judged whether they are a patriot based on whether they reside within the boundary of the land of their own country? If that is the standard, how are we going to call the overseas Chinese who contributed to 辛亥革命和抗日戰爭 but never set their feet on the land of mainland China?

Whether a person is a true patriot should be measured by their hearts and souls but not be judged on where they reside.
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-9-24 14:24

對於辛亥革命，小弟最大嘅感慨反而係今日國共兩邊嘅取態同處理手法。明明係應該掌握話語權嘅國民政府就因為「市場環境」改變而基本上自動放棄話語權；反為原本同辛亥革命風馬牛不相及嘅共慘黨就霸住革命事績來宣揚佢自己要點點點，而且仲要無恥到對國民黨隻字不提咁滯。

真係奇栽怪也～

-力
作者: 老友四號    時間: 2011-9-24 17:25

回復 5# peter236

係呀！食X怪！老夫 撈咗差1蚊就夠十億仲係美金添。

嗱！下个禮拜又番去撈啦！吹乎？
作者: 老友四號    時間: 2011-9-24 17:34

回復 4# ricric
好！见平時同你冇乜兩句关照吓你喇，老夫  下亇禮拜就番祖國撈油水，

多唔敢講一至二億美金一定冇問题，你跟唔跟嚟呀？
作者: 老友四號    時間: 2011-9-24 17:45

「Whether a person is a true patriot should be measured by their hearts and souls 」

對！所以逢中必批未必就是不愛國同時逢中必好也未必就是真愛國。
作者: fibbi    時間: 2011-9-24 23:59

如果孫中山泉下有知見到依家啲五毛黨點愛國一定死唔眼閉
作者: fy789    時間: 2011-9-25 00:35

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作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-9-25 01:06

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-9-25 01:20 編輯
「Whether a person is a true patriot should be measured by their hearts and souls 」

對！所以逢中必批未必就是不愛國同時逢中必好也未必就是真愛國。
老友四號 發表於 2011-9-24 17:45


對！逢中必好未必就是真愛國，但逢中必批的一定不是真愛國。
作者: fibbi    時間: 2011-9-25 10:09

對！逢中必好未必就是真愛國，但逢中必批的一定不是真愛國。
rockypath 發表於 2011-9-25 01:06


假如你見到你的小朋友非常"un皮"百厭，我諗你都唔會有讚無彈掛。。。唔通你話個小朋友曳曳都唔係愛佢？
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-9-25 12:07

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-9-25 12:14 編輯

回復 13# rockypath

Don't you think that's overwhelming?

I believe everything in between there should be a balance...

If yes, say yes; if no, say no... But in reality, there exists a colour called "grey"... How to interpret this colour is up to the wisdom and acknowledgement of the general public...

In reality, people are easily trapped with interest... IMO, I believe the "truth" should line upon "interest group" and stand as the cornerstone of our knowledge...
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-9-25 12:48

假如你見到你的小朋友非常"un皮"百厭，我諗你都唔會有讚無彈掛。。。唔通你話個小朋友曳曳都唔係愛佢？ ...
fibbi 發表於 2011-9-25 10:09


有讚無彈一定不是好父母。同樣，凡事必彈一定也不是好父母。 你是否同意我的說法？
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-9-25 13:07

回復  rockypath

Don't you think that's overwhelming?

I believe everything in between there should ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-9-25 12:07


I do not see there is any conflict between what I said and your position. Maybe you should read what I said again.

What should we base on to evaluate and comment the policies of Chinese government? Should we base on the well being and future of ordinary Chinese citizens or our own political stand and preferences?

Will you call a political stand of 逢中必批（反）a balanced view and based on the well being of ordinary Chinese citizens? Will you call those people the true patriots? I certainly won’t.

They are just a group of political hypocrites!
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-9-25 13:16

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-9-25 13:28 編輯

回復 17# rockypath

There is a difference...

兩害相權取其輕 is somehow different from 兩害相權取其利...

I judge "輕" more on the ethnical side; wheresas you are more on the benefit side...

In economical view, there is a long term and short term effect... I'm always a long believer in ethnics...

天行健，君子以自强不息；地势坤，君子以厚德载物
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-9-25 13:30

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-9-25 13:33 編輯

回復 18# lo_pak

Sorry, I am not talking about benefits nor ethnics. I feel like we are talking about two different issues. The issue I am talking about is - will a 逢中必反 person be a true patriot.

To me, a true patriot is measured by his/her heart and soul. He or she will put the benefits and well being (including ethnics) of ordinary citizens and country ahead of himself or herself. Some people focus more on economic benefits and some others focus on ethnics. That does not make a big difference in my view since they put the people and country ahead of themselves.

I certainly will not call people who 逢中必反 regardless of whether the policy is a good one or not a true patriot. They put their own political stand and preference ahead of the people and country.

Did I make myself clear this time?
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-9-25 13:32

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-9-25 13:35 編輯

回復 19# rockypath

What is your understanding of chinese culture?

In this forum (to the extreme), how would you judge Lik? And, how would you judge Peter?
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-9-25 13:34

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-9-25 13:35 編輯
回復  rockypath

What is your understanding of chinese culture?
lo_pak 發表於 2011-9-25 13:32


How will your question relate to what I have been talking - will a 逢中必反 person be a true patriot?
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-9-25 13:37

回復 21# rockypath

Are you talking about a "blind" lover? You should have answered your question by the question itself?

All their goods are goods... All their bads are goods as well...??
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-9-25 14:50

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-9-25 15:04 編輯
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Are you talking about a "blind" lover? You should have answered your question by t ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-9-25 13:37


What are you talking about? Can you clarify what you mean in a simple and direct form?

I believe I had made my position very clear. For the benefit of doubt, I will repeat my statement again.

My statement is – a person who are 逢中必反 will not be a true patriot.

為什麼？

一個人不論青紅皂白一於否定中國政府的政策儘管這項政策從經濟或道德角度上是一個正確的做法。這種將個人政治取向和喜惡置於百姓和國家的福祉之上的人不可能是一個真正的愛國者。

我說的這個道理不管當權者是共產黨、國民黨、滿清皇帝或是將來的中國自由民主黨都是適用的。

Have I made myself clear?

P.S.  I am taking about 逢中必反 but not 逢中必好 (I already said those are not necessarily a true patriot either).
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-9-25 15:46

好簡單，一個政府的反對黨是用來制衡政府，監督政府行為是其職責
一言堂的共慘黨，你讚到上天，擦鞋擦上天，有Q用!
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-9-25 15:55

好簡單，一個政府的反對黨是用來制衡政府，監督政府行為是其職責
一言堂的共慘黨，你讚到上天，擦鞋擦上天 ...
ricrick 發表於 2011-9-25 15:46


一個為了反對而反對的反對黨一定不會是個稱職的反對黨。
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-9-25 15:57

反對，當然有理據，聽不入耳，是各下的問題
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-9-25 18:07

反對，當然有理據，聽不入耳，是各下的問題
ricrick 發表於 2011-9-25 15:57


反對當然會有理由。只不過要看你的理由是為國家還是為自己政黨，為正義還是為利益，為百姓還是為自己，為公義還是為私欲。
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-9-25 20:10

你說共慘黨？
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-9-25 20:33

P.S.  I am taking about 逢中必反 but not 逢中必好 (I already said those are not necessarily a true patriot either).
rockypath 發表於 2011-9-25 14:50

Diu，你條仆街講咁撚多廢話又有鳩用咩？面對阿爺，小罵大幫忙你就識。真係有大件野果陣，我又幾時見過你敢鬧阿爺本句不是？！豆腐渣無、溫州動車無、毒奶粉同趙連海無。就算開口，都係幫阿爺講好說話、做damage control。

食屎啦，撚樣！

-力
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-9-25 20:53

Diu，你條仆街講咁撚多廢話又有鳩用咩？面對阿爺，小罵大幫忙你就識。真係有大件野果陣，我又幾時見過你敢 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-9-25 20:33

You stupid moron, your country is going bankrupt. What are you going to say about it?
作者: fy789    時間: 2011-9-25 21:04

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作者: Lik    時間: 2011-9-25 21:29

我地係未真心愛國自己知，人地有眼見！
fy789 發表於 2011-9-25 21:04

咁我又真係信你自己都知道自己係假愛國喎？大家亦都有眼見你對住阿爺嘅不公不義，從來都只會小罵大幫忙，但到咗重要關頭嘅時候，就一定會扭盡六壬咁來幫阿爺補鑊、講好說話、勁兜，又或者冷處理來搏等件事丟淡嘅。

我係加拿大人。就算點樣再鬧大陸，都一定唔會係叛國嘅行為。反而你FY仔如果宣誓咗成為加拿大公民，但心卻始終歸於阿爺，咁呢啲就真係叫做叛國喇。

連叛國咁簡單嘅意思都唔撚識仲出來講！返屋企食屎啦～

-力
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-9-25 21:30

見你地一個話對方"直接從事分裂中國", 另一個話對方"幫阿爺講好說話、做damage control".
我就覺得... 你地係乜野新鮮蘿蔔皮咁把炮呀? 真係超低能, 勁搞笑.
作者: fy789    時間: 2011-9-25 21:32

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作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-9-25 21:35

你有種就試吓返大陸囉！

CIA 低級打手。
fy789 發表於 2011-9-26 13:32

你有種就上太空唔著太空衣囉...
睇黎呢個thread 好快就完, 大家既post 既質素下降了.
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-9-25 21:41

你有種就上太空唔著太空衣囉...
睇黎呢個thread 好快就完, 大家既post 既質素下降了. ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-9-25 21:35

件垃圾俾我講中晒，仲要插到應一應，除咗轉移視線之外，仲可以講乜、做乜呢？

-力
作者: fy789    時間: 2011-9-25 21:48

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作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-9-25 22:12

喺太空船裏面未唔駛著太空衣囉，天才！
fy789 發表於 2011-9-26 13:55

我見佢地升空同降落既時候都有著太空衣架... 我諗都算o係太空船裏面卦.
天才我就唔敢當, 不過應該會比你聰明少少.
作者: fy789    時間: 2011-9-25 22:27

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作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-9-25 22:55

我「諗」就一定啱，呢d叫「打橫泥」，唔係「聰明」喎！

我就話係北美少用中文，你喺香港日日用住中文 ...
fy789 發表於 2011-9-26 14:27

我d 中文自從中五會考之後都未進步過, 學如逆水行舟, 不進則退, 所以退步都唔出奇.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-9-26 00:47

Diu，你條仆街講咁撚多廢話又有鳩用咩？面對阿爺，小罵大幫忙你就識。真係有大件野果陣，我又幾時見過你敢 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-9-25 20:33


如果你想撩事鬥非，先稱下你有幾斤兩。 等你學會說人話而不是狗吠的時候再來挑戰我。

真金不怕火煉。有道理就以理服人而不是用粗言穢語攻擊他人。 這樣做只會令你自己低人一等淪落被人恥笑。
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-9-26 01:28

You stupid moron, your country is going bankrupt. What are you going to say about it?
peter236 發表於 2011-9-25 20:53



甘危險，你還不滾蛋？
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-9-26 18:43

甘危險，你還不滾蛋？
ricrick 發表於 2011-9-26 17:28

最危險既地方就係最安全既地方丫麻~
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-9-26 20:15

最危險既地方就係最安全既地方丫麻~
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-9-26 18:43



無骨氣
作者: Ovaltine    時間: 2011-9-26 20:53

You patriots love your country, does your country love you?
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-9-26 21:50

無骨氣
ricrick 發表於 2011-9-27 12:15

太有骨氣亦未必係一件好事
作者: chunsh    時間: 2011-9-29 07:58

如果你想撩事鬥非，先稱下你有幾斤兩。 等你學會說人話而不是狗吠的時候再來挑戰我。

真金不怕火煉。有 ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-9-26 00:47



yeah, Lik is just a loser who like to insult other when he found no points to support his argument. Poor him



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