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作者: makten 時間: 2008-3-19 22:42 標題: Freak Event - Being assaulted by my co-worker

I was assaulted by my co-worker when I was getting off from work...

The whole thing started with a small argument (At least I think it is...)
Before lunch time, I was organizing some files and I gave a few to them to this guy and told him to fax it for me. He was reluctant and told me that I didn't cross out certain information on the document, so I just told him to do it since he has them in his hands...He ended up throwing the files back on my desktop and started mumbling so I was like "What're you doing?" and he just kept on mumbling...so I was like "whatever, I'll do it myself"...

Nothing happened until I was getting off from work...

I was saying good bye to my boss and walked down the stairs with another co-worker...The guy was standing by the door, keeping it open with his back...So I just thought he was keeping it open for the girl that I was walking down with...and I only thought that he might close the door on me once the girl walks out so that I'll have to open it myself (as a way to show me he does not like me....) but NOOOOOOO~ while i was walking out...he grabbed my shirt (around my neck) and then gave me a headlock...I was holding a bunch of text books at the time and so it wasn't the best scenario to fight back...I decided to relax my body...and hey...it doesn't feel bad at all...Anyways...the guy started yelling at me "How dare you speak to me like that? How dare you use that tone! How dare you!? I'll punch you! I'll punch you!!" (In Chinese) I saw his fist and it was shaking soooo much...I didn't want to yell for my boss at the time because he was having a guest over, and that would certainly embarrass him, so I was like...fine...the worst is getting punched...no biggie...He didn't though...He released me and started threatening me next time I talk to him with an attitude he'll beat me up...So I just told him to do so and I'll of course call the cops on him and he said "Yeah, you do that!" and he jumped on his car and left...

Well I didn't thought it was a big problem at the time but then on my way home, I realized that my neck was bleeding...

Now most of you would ask me...Why didn't I fight back when he released me?
At that time, it wasn't the best place to fight cuz there was a girl beside us and the space between the staircase and the door was really small...So I just kinda let it be...2nd, fighting back and beat the **** outta this guy is only going to satisfy me momentarily and cause him to be in pain for a certain amount of time only...That's not enough...I wanna get back at him with a BAM! From what I know, this guy is still waiting for his citizenship, so I'm gonna take it away from him...Tomorrow I'm gonna file with the RCMP regarding an assault by him...He's getting ****ed in the ass for sure...Assaulting someone when you are applying citizenship is not exactly the smartest thing to do...

I wanna teach this guy a lesson...I don't want to let him off the hook that easily, I want him to regret this for the rest of his life...I want him to know that messing with me caused him his citizenship and future in Canada. The worst scenario is that he might get deported back to China, I would love to see that!

It's a small scratch, but it actually bled for a while...It actually looks worse right now because the scratch got swollen and ****...Still enough to file for assault, plus I got a witness...

作者: kaimui22 時間: 2008-3-19 23:13

I think you should...

1) definitely tell your boss that he threated you at work
2) file the assault and 落口供 at the police, as well as get a witness report

this guy managed to get so worked up and get physical with out over a little issue...makes me worry what he is capable of if you anger him again at work or if you end up succeeding over him...

the truth is, he attacked you physically....and then threatened you verbally...even if it's just a little scratch, it is too dangerous to not let your boss know and also the police know.

also, it's probably best not to confront the guy and tell him that you told the boss and the police
let the police and your boss deal with him..

作者: makten 時間: 2008-3-19 23:25

原帖由 kaimui22 於 2008-3-19 23:13 發表
I think you should...

1) definitely tell your boss that he threated you at work
2) file the assault and 落口供 at the police, as well as get a witness report

this guy managed to get so worked up and ...

well i'm going to my work place to tell my boss about this and probably quitting my job (pay not satisfying anyways) and i'll be going to the rcmp as well...

作者: ah3 時間: 2008-3-19 23:30

I'm curious, which company do u work for?

作者: makten 時間: 2008-3-19 23:34

原帖由 ah3 於 2008-3-19 23:30 發表
I'm curious, which company do u work for?

just a small company....no one will know

作者: Guy 時間: 2008-3-19 23:43

Good!
use brain not fist.

But do you have a witness step out to justify you ar?
I know the police cannot charge workplace assult without a witness to go on court.
I personally encounter these case on somebodies.
Did you female co worker witness it?

You do good man.
we will provide info support for you ok this

Keep us update

作者: makten 時間: 2008-3-20 00:18

原帖由 Guy 於 2008-3-19 23:43 發表
Good!
use brain not fist.

But do you have a witness step out to justify you ar?
I know the police cannot charge workplace assult without a witness to go on court.
I personally encounter these case on ...

my female co-worker saw the whole thing because she was right beside me....

作者: WaruiOne 時間: 2008-3-20 01:25

does someone you know (like a friend) count as a witness?
for traffic accidents, they don't count since they say your friends could lie to help you... but i dunno for actual crimes... they could say the same thing, but then anyone could lie if that's the case.

作者: makten 時間: 2008-3-20 01:38

原帖由 WaruiOne 於 2008-3-20 01:25 發表
does someone you know (like a friend) count as a witness?
for traffic accidents, they don't count since they say your friends could lie to help you... but i dunno for actual crimes... they could say t ...

if that's the case...the world will be doomed...murders with a lot of people present...no one can be asked to help with investigation? that's impossible la...

作者: (-_-') 時間: 2008-3-20 06:14

actually.. I think you should give him a chance .. It is probably very hard for him to get from china to canada.. and the canadian citizenship is probably very important for him and his family.
Maybe he was just having so much pressure adapting to the new environment (new to vancouver)?
how old is he ?.. maybe he was a boss back in China, and now you tell him to do stuff, he just couldn't accept that at the moment...?
He headlocked you, but he didn't beat you up.. he wasn't using a gun or a knife... i think this problem can be solved verbally between you and him.. just sit down and talk first... if that doesn't solve the problem.... then seek help from RCMP..

fighting back and beat the **** outta this guy is only going to satisfy me momentarily and cause him to be in pain for a certain amount of time only...That's not enough...I wanna get back at him with a BAM!

honestly.. I think you are more dangerous than him..

作者: makten 時間: 2008-3-20 07:49

原帖由 (-_-') 於 2008-3-20 06:14 發表
actually.. I think you should give him a chance .. It is probably very hard for him to get from china to canada.. and the canadian citizenship is probably very important for him and his family.
...

It was such a little argument and he's flipping out giving people head locks...That's just abnormal...
This guys needs a lesson...he can't turn to violence for everything...
He's 25 btw (at least what he tells me) and he still thinks that violence can resolve something...threatening me not to give him attitude? How am I suppose to work with him like that...If he gets fired, he can still get back at me because he knows where I live...I'm losing my job right now for his stupidity, so who's the victim now?

Yeah...I'm dangerous...only if you mess with me...

[ 本帖最後由 makten 於 2008-3-20 07:52 編輯 ]

作者: big_tooth 時間: 2008-3-20 07:59

I think you have handled the situation properly.

I would suggest you to have a talk with your manager (and the HR person if there is one). I wouldn't go to the police yet.

作者: chunsh 時間: 2008-3-20 08:00

just a warn, Canada's laws are for protecting criminals, not for innocent (or victims)

作者: Traum 時間: 2008-3-20 08:24

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作者: utopia 時間: 2008-3-20 08:33

原帖由 makten 於 2008-3-19 22:42 發表
I was assaulted by my co-worker when I was getting off from work...

The whole thing started with a small argument (At least I think it is...)
Before lunch time, I was organizing some files and I gave ...

Makten,

I think you done the right thing and you deal with it properly.
You should really teach him a lesson. I mean this is Canada not China, it's not like violence and money can solve everything. There is something called "law" in Canada.

作者: Alcoholic 時間: 2008-3-20 10:34

makten,
my hubby told me about this post, so i came to read it... i can't believe it's you!

條on9 仔有人係度都夠僵郁你? 唔洗報仇。照正法律黎做佢都夠死架喇~ 有冇見血都好（可況有見血），緊係要搵ah-sir傾傾啦！打鐵chan熱！
but if he's so aggressive, make sure your female co-worker is good & ready to be witness. and maybe when she leaves/行出行埋都有人陪她。you never know if that on9仔might try to scare the sh!t out of her to make her back off from being witness.

作者: daimo 時間: 2008-3-20 10:44

it's probably not serious enough for him to be deported ... but most likely he'll lose his job.

I think you will have to watch out after that.

作者: makten 時間: 2008-3-20 12:34

I just talked to my boss earlier and I also went to the RCMP about this...

My boss wanted to talk some sense into this guy when I went to the office this morning...The guy doesn't even seem to think it was a problem and he refuses to apologize to me...He said he was giving me some "color" for holding an attitude against him...The guy just doesn't understand about how serious violence is...My boss was telling him that this is Canada and people should be civilized and not use solution methods from China...

Regarding the job, I already told my boss that I'll quit since I don't want the guy to come back and go crazy on me when I'm not aware...Also the guy is my boss's frd's son so I don't care if he still holds the job or not...He'll get what he deserves though....over our legal system

I guess I'll type up another report later today...

作者: Alcoholic 時間: 2008-3-20 12:37

咁唔識死呀?
play it wise, play it serious... give him some color & attitude back

作者: makten 時間: 2008-3-20 12:39

原帖由 Alcoholic 於 2008-3-20 12:37 發表
咁唔識死呀?
play it wise, play it serious... give him some color & attitude back

Originally I was gonna hold back a bit and not push this too far...
But seeing his attitude today, I just thought something needs to be done...
The cops should be at the office now...talking to him...and there's a pretty high possibility that the guy gets arrested on the spot to be brought in for questions...

作者: Princess_Lee 時間: 2008-3-20 12:44

I think you have done all the right things - the law says that you should use only enough force to protect yourself and you should report to the police and press the police to press charges because this person need to be punished under the laws here. Don't worry about his citizenship. He still thought he did the right thing. Its good that you have photos and have witness.

It was clearly an assult causing bodily harm. If not taught properly he could do the same to other people and may even progress into something much worse

作者: Alcoholic 時間: 2008-3-20 12:45

原帖由 makten 於 2008-3-20 12:39 PM 發表

Originally I was gonna hold back a bit and not push this too far...
But seeing his attitude today, I just thought something needs to be done...
The cops should be at the office now...talking to him. ...

they won't cuff him probably. but definitely take him back to give a statement. once you file a case, they will take all people involved for questioning. the statement is written by the on9-jai anyways. hopefully his english is good enough. but since he's so dumb, he'll just write up something stupid that's to his disadvantage.

作者: makten 時間: 2008-3-20 12:49

原帖由 Alcoholic 於 2008-3-20 12:45 發表

they won't cuff him probably. but definitely take him back to give a statement. once you file a case, they will take all people involved for questioning. the statement is written by the on9-jai anyw ...

I don't think he can make up anything because when my boss was questioning him...he said the exact things that happened...and he was like...it's just a scratch, it's nothing!

Seriously didn't know there are still people like that....

作者: Princess_Lee 時間: 2008-3-20 12:52

Please let us know what happens after.

The world is getting worse and more violent. I am taking kick boxing and BJJ lessons at
a Richmond martial arts centre (many young wemen and men workout here) but we also learn not to fight back- unless really necessary (e.g. escape from the choke and apply arm lock, if necessary, without causing injury (to the idiot attacker)

作者: Princess_Lee 時間: 2008-3-20 12:55

According to my Law classes, an unauthorized touch could already be an assult (although the police normally don't care) and a "scratch" is really "bodily harm" I hope he'll be put away and have a record on him

作者: utopia 時間: 2008-3-20 13:57

Well, I'm not surprised he won't admit what he did is wrong.

In case I get attack, I guess I have to make it clear. It seems that majority of people from China are strong minded and always think they are right.

Even if it's an obvious mistake, they will make common comment like this - it's just nothing. That' s the part I don't like about their culture. They think they are god these days because of the economic is getting better in China. Although it's history and the government system turn them like that, doesn't mean they are right.

作者: makten 時間: 2008-3-20 15:14

Well from what the guy said...Talking is not a way to resolve things because I can still act the same way after he talks to me...so physical violence should be used in order to teach me a lesson

作者: Traum 時間: 2008-3-20 15:18

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作者: makten 時間: 2008-3-20 15:33

原帖由 Traum 於 2008-3-20 15:18 發表

LOL~

Oh my goodness... that one totally cracked me up! I can't believe a 25 year old adult can possibly think that way!?

What an idiot!

-Lik

My boss was telling him that people here has to resolve problems with civilized ways and he just can't accept it...
Very reckless indeed...
His dad called me to apologize too...Honestly I understand how his dad would feel, but I can't let him off the hook just because his dad tells me he'll lecture him afterwards...

作者: daimo 時間: 2008-3-20 15:47

ah ... which industry are you in?

作者: makten 時間: 2008-3-20 16:02

原帖由 daimo 於 2008-3-20 15:47 發表
ah ... which industry are you in?

Logistics...
it was only a part-time job anyways...

作者: startomato 時間: 2008-3-20 17:46

do a civil lawsuit too!

作者: Alcoholic 時間: 2008-3-20 18:00

有其父必有其子
MAYBE
his dad 食鹽多過個仔食米, that's why he apologized
who knows.

作者: makten 時間: 2008-3-20 18:12

原帖由 Alcoholic 於 2008-3-20 18:00 發表
有其父必有其子
MAYBE
his dad 食鹽多過個仔食米, that's why he apologized
who knows.

Well...I've met his dad a few times...and I helped his dad's parents to get US visa before...
His dad wasn't like him though...you can actually see the guy as a weird person by meeting him the first time...

Anyways...the cops called me earlier and said the guy got thrown into jail for the afternoon...

作者: Traum 時間: 2008-3-20 19:08

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作者: Guy 時間: 2008-3-20 19:35

No need to discuss..... we don't need uncivilized people here.... deport him back to his home town la....

作者: Alcoholic 時間: 2008-3-20 21:29

原帖由 Traum 於 2008-3-20 07:08 PM 發表

Honestly, getting thrown into jail, at least for the afternoon serves this guy right. Hopefully he'll learn his lesson and finally start grasping how serious the matter is.

With his dad in the pictu ...

i don't think that guy will learn his "lesson". being detained by the cops will only make the guy think 做乜"搞大件事"。
after filing this case, you're no longer involved. it's up to the cops & judge how much they will sentence to protect 你黎個無辜無助小市民。

作者: ani 時間: 2008-3-20 22:34

wow..
but i think u should definitely be more careful from now on..
maybe he will do more crazy things to u later.. since he had to go to jail..

作者: kaimui22 時間: 2008-3-20 22:58

you know, this reminds me of a time when 2 guys at my previous workplace got into a disagreement over something minor...one of the guys started making threats to the other in front of everyone at work.....then somehow they ran into each other in the washroom and one of the guys purposely "fling" his hands after washing and got the other guy wet.

ended up with a wet paper towel fight in our work area. the crazy guy went into the washroom, grabbed a whole bunch of paper towels, made them wet, ran into our work area and started throwing them at the other guy..but the paper towels ended up everywhere..on everyone's work and desk

in the end, our manager came around and asked us one by one what we saw happen..and the guy got fired.

it was a scary yet funny (afterwards) situation to see 2 guys fighting with wet paper towels...

anyways my post has no real point....other than, there's crazy people everywhere.

作者: Guy 時間: 2008-3-20 23:15

原帖由 kaimui22 於 2008-3-20 22:58 發表
you know, this reminds me of a time when 2 guys at my previous workplace got into a disagreement over something minor...one of the guys started making threats to the other in front of everyone at work ...

these guys r very immature je throw paper towel
if no one see the events before the wetness, people will think they were just having fun. haha

作者: kaimui22 時間: 2008-3-20 23:51

原帖由 Guy 於 2008/3/20 11:15 PM 發表

these guys r very immature je throw paper towel
if no one see the events before the wetness, people will think they were just having fun. haha

yes...very very immature
one was an art director and another was graphic designer. both were over 30 years old...very immature indeed..but when they were throwing the paper towels, they had the look of vengeance on their face...it was a very serious fight but very silly actions

作者: Guy 時間: 2008-3-21 00:10

kaimui.. you should yell out.. "be a man..get down to the parking lot!!"

markten... any update about him?

o yes is he from hk or china or local??

作者: Alcoholic 時間: 2008-3-21 00:30

kaimui,
are you sure your previous job was not a kindergarden teacher watching over two kids that likes drawing???

作者: makten 時間: 2008-3-21 00:52

Well...when I knew about the guy got thrown into jail...the story was like this...
I got a call from the RCMP saying that he talked to the guy and he heard his side of the story...the rcmp thinks that the guy is pretty apologetic now...so i said that the guy didn't look too apologetic to me when i saw him earlier...the rcmp told me that he kinda sobered up because he spent some time in jail...so he was pretty shameful...he wanted to apologize to me officially and does not want me to quit my job because of this at that point the rcmp said that since he already learned his lesson and is self-reflecting, it would be nice if i settle this without further charges...
after hearing that he got thrown into jail for a bit...i guessed that it probably scared the sh*t outta him...so i thought i shouldn't push this to the extreme...and since he already received some punishment, i kinda regret saying that i wanted him to get a criminal record over a stupid event like this...but yeah...i decided to let it be...
i don't know why...but then i thought that i could really have done some damage to him by doing this....pretty scary...

作者: Traum 時間: 2008-3-21 01:05

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作者: makten 時間: 2008-3-21 01:28

原帖由 Traum 於 2008-3-21 01:05 發表
Well, Makten, if you think the idiot kid has already learned his lesson, then I don't see anything wrong with you letting him go. Of course, in the near future, I would also be extra careful and keep ...

it's times like this that i realize i can never be really evil and mean...i always get soft hearted when i think back...
keep in mind that jail is probably one of the worst places to be in today's world (except for 3rd world countries or war zones)being in that for the moment can really scare the person sh*tless because he has time to reflect on himself and think about the consequences afterwards as he doesn't know what might happen later...
i just think that there're two possibilites that putting him in jail for the day can result in...
1. he realizes what he did was wrong and he change his ways...
2. he hates me even more now that i humiliated him by putting him in jail...

if he does pick 2...then obviously he didn't learn his lesson and his needs the finishing blow...can't help that if he does this...

作者: Alcoholic 時間: 2008-3-21 01:30

算囉~
咪當施捨佢一個機會，比條生路佢行
難聽講心涼，好聽講做善事，必有後福

作者: makten 時間: 2008-3-21 02:06

原帖由 Alcoholic 於 2008-3-21 01:30 發表
算囉~
咪當施捨佢一個機會，比條生路佢行
難聽講心涼，好聽講做善事，必有後福

yeah...afterwards i told my family about this...they all kinda agreed that this might be better...give him a chance...just hope that he does change because of this....

作者: Guy 時間: 2008-3-21 23:57

Not too mean okay. But what about an official apology? No?

作者: ashtaron14 時間: 2008-3-22 00:52

Well, if all fails a restraining order might be able to help you

Good luck, this world is full of weird people

作者: yungfourfour 時間: 2008-3-22 22:28

I don't know
to me he simply violates the code of conduct and.... yeah

did you boss know the whole thing?

作者: makten 時間: 2008-3-22 23:24

原帖由 yungfourfour 於 2008-3-22 22:28 發表
I don't know
to me he simply violates the code of conduct and.... yeah

did you boss know the whole thing?

i told him about it the next day...he brought the guy into the meeting room and tried talking some sense into the guy...but the guy thought what he did was right...

作者: Maggie 時間: 2008-3-23 01:28

Dying to know the end result.

Have been having big trouble lately with coworkers too... feel so bad and stupid for not knowing how to defend myself... I think your guy is very dumb with extremely low EQ... One witch in my office made things up. She handled a customer-related situation poorly and interrupted my work. She's a front counter person and I am at the back doing finance (my work space is semi-open). I have made it really clear that I do not want interruptions as it's the end of fiscal year and I got too much crap to do already. Somehow this customer came to see me for ONE page of photocopying and I told her the front counter staff will be able to help but the customer said she got directed to me by the front counter staff. At that point there's no other customer at all and the witch was just faxing stuff and the fax machine was sitting at the front counter. I was pretty irritated but didn't wanna show it. I walked to the front counter and just said "this lady would like to get a page of photocopy..." I didn't even finished and she just got sooooooooooooo offended and said in a very frustrated tone "I TOLD HER I WILL BE WITH HER IN A MINUTE!!"... I was surprised that she's so mad, but my experience in customer service tells me that priority goes to LIVE PERSON so I said "this lady just need to photocopy one page would you..." Didn't get to finish what I said and she again, in that same bad tone, said "I SAID I WILL BE RIGHT WITH HER I AM BUSY FAXING!!" and just walked away from the counter to the backroom... the customer and I were just looking at each other but I got that page done since I DID have to get back to my own work. Of course not very happy with the situation, I talked to our boss, and he recommended me to talk to her... So I did... 2 weeks later, somehow the senior front counter staff (FC) called out a meeting about the work atmosphere... boss, senior front counter staff and I decided not to continue her contract but couldn't find anyone else so got her back a month later. She made stuff up in the past to the senior FC (I ordered supplies and she was supposed to put them away... but she told the senior FC that I told her "not to touch my supplies and of course I told the senior FC that it's not true and I never said that... the senior FC was like o it's just misunderstanding and we all interpret differently... like tried to ease it...) I never really liked her and it's not a secret that we don't really get along but she's just a temp so I don't care. THIS TIME, she told my boss that I scold at her and humiliate her in front of everyone in public and gave her a lecture and blah blah blah... I WAS SHOCKED!!! She made the thing 2000 times worse (the whole thing was like a minute... we had the conversation in like 30 seconds and I finished the copy the other 30 second... I talked to her about what happened after I talked to my boss. I was polite too. I was standing behind a pillar and asked if she has a minute to talk about the incident in the morning and she said yes. I was telling her that the customer told me that she got direct to me... I didn't get to finish but then she again insisted that she didn't say that and such and so I said "the customer made not hear you maybe she thought you didn't pay attention to her (she was looking down at the fax machine)... and she asked what would I do so I said I will make eye contact with the customer and such... and the conversation ended pretty ok in my opinion... well, apparently, this is not that case... she went to the senior FC and boss and said how I treated her and stuff. And I asked her what did I say that made she think I was scolding at her in front of other people and there's no one else and the boss suggested that conversation... She had her eyes wide open looking right at me saying she didn't record anything with a recorder and how is she supposed to recall what was said exactly and this and that... Well, she did save up my wrong doings to report to my boss... lame...

since she was lying I was so angry and when I was angry I couldn't talk... I missed my chance to defend myself... feel so stupid...

So good for you for being tough... I am learning how to face evil people...

作者: makten 時間: 2008-3-23 11:40

原帖由 Maggie 於 2008-3-23 01:28 發表
Dying to know the end result.

Have been having big trouble lately with coworkers too... feel so bad and stupid for not knowing how to defend myself... I think your guy is very dumb with extremely low ...

Oh...I've had one of those before while I was being a sales associate...If you're higher rank...The boss will probably favor your side of the story better...and actually a lot of bosses knows who actually has an attitude and who doesn't, it's just that some of them are too lazy to deal with the it and the aftermath (getting a replacement or whatsoever)

作者: RayRay 時間: 2008-4-14 00:04

I think your co-worker is "too much". There are something you can do but depends what is your direction.

If you staying in this company, you may need another co-work to talk to this dude and finding out what is wrong with you and what is wrong with him. Then you can figure out what to do !

If you want to quit, tell your boss you want to quit and you want to invite this dude have a meeting with you while your boss around. Your need your boss to "protect" you if this dude doing something in-appropriate. After the meeting, you are well protected by yourself and leave all subsquent event to your boss.

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