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作者: AAC 時間: 2011-12-30 21:35 標題: 食餐俾貼士應該係稅前？還是稅後？

今午同幾個鬼仔同事食西餐，埋單時，對15%貼士應該計HST前定後，有所討論，有人話稅前，不應多付政府，有人話部份老闆會以稅後貼士分派伙計，咁應該係點？尤其而家按密碼的碌卡機有貼士%選擇，都唔知俾幾多至啱數，尤其係同事AA制，最麻煩。

作者: librazhy 時間: 2011-12-31 02:05

按密碼的碌卡機, 貼士%選擇, 是稅後

作者: librazhy 時間: 2011-12-31 02:17

有無人留意到大多數西人餐廳﹐侍應仍多數會THANK 你

中餐﹖ 好多時真係多謝都無句

香港人在VAN已經越來越少﹐I MEAN THE CHANCE OF 遇到無禮貌的 ASIAN 越來越多 , 並非好事。

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-12-31 10:27

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-12-31 10:50 編輯

回復 2# librazhy

In the old days...

Before Tax Tips: 1.0 + 1.0 x 5% (GST) + 1.0 x 10% (tips before tax) = 1.15
After Tax Tips: 1.0 + 1.0 x 5% (GST) + 1.05 x 10% (tips after tax) = 1.155
Tips Diff = 0.005 = 0.5%

Right now...
Before Tax Tips: 1.0 + 1.0 x 12% (HST) + 1.0 x 10% (tips before tax) = 1.22
After Tax Tips: 1.0 + 1.0 x 12% (HST) + 1.12 x 10% (tips after tax) = 1.232
Tips Diff = 0.012 = 1.2%

It's funny for SOME people they are still get used to the "OLD" days...
And, for some (actually, quite a few) fellow Chinese Canadians (or mentally still Chinese but not Canadian), for $100 meals they used to pay $2 or $5 for the tips, especially in Chinese restaurants...

Try to put it this way, tips, as a bonus, is a reward to the acceptance of service. In reality, both parties (consumers and servers) are trying to draw from the obligation - one is trying to pay less tips and the other is trying to provide less service. In my observation, Chinese consumers play quite an important role...

I think I have never visited a poor service restaurant with cosumers paying high tips in gross (10% or more, generally speaking)...

If one is more get used to the local culture, one is willing to play more tips to the server.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2011-12-31 12:43

15% add to before tax should be ok ga la...

Some places may want more ...

作者: AAC 時間: 2011-12-31 14:52

按密碼的碌卡機, 貼士%選擇, 是稅後
librazhy 發表於 2011/12/31 02:05

So, in this case, if I'm going to tip 15% before tax, how much % should I key in ? That's the question we were discussing yesterday.
Our lunch bill was $100, after tax was $112. I keyed in 15% on the machine as tipping, that was $16.8. If the tipping was $15 (15% of $100), I should key in 13.39%....

My math is poor in front of the restaurant counter.

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-12-31 15:27

回復 6# AAC

I thought if you are so insistance to pay the correct tips, instead of paying tips through the machine, you should try paying table tips in "cash" for your convenience.

作者: librazhy 時間: 2011-12-31 16:06

So, in this case, if I'm going to tip 15% before tax, how much % should I key in ? That's the que ...
AAC 發表於 2011-12-31 14:52

in your case, I'd just choose the (AMOUNT) function. punch in $15 in tips if the service was average.

if the service was excellent, choose the (%) function, punch in 20%.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-12-31 16:12

WHO CARES

you don't even have to pay tips if you don't want to.

作者: sike 時間: 2012-1-2 13:00

I always don't quite like the tipping culture in restaurant. Why do the customers have to use this extra cost to control the quality of the waitor's service? The quality of service should be monitored by the manager/owner instead.

- Customer gets bad service from waitor when ordering a dish, we sometimes blame b/c not enough tips.
- Customer gets bad service from salesperson when ordering a merchandise, we sometimes blame the manager for not teaching the staff well.

To me, both types of business do similar things.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-1-2 14:52

Tips is ok because it keeps the menu prices low and people who pay little tips get to be subsidized by those who pay a lot.

作者: librazhy 時間: 2012-1-2 16:32

WHO CARES

you don't even have to pay tips if you don't want to.
快樂牛郎發表於 2011-12-31 16:12

JUST CURIOUS

快樂牛郎, 如果你參加香港D旅行團﹐講明臨走時要比(某數目)的TIPS。但個領隊全程比最爛既SERVICE比你﹐DO YOU HAVE THE GUTS TO GIVE ZERO TIP﹖

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2012-1-2 17:13

I always don't quite like the tipping culture in restaurant. Why do the customers have to use this ...
sike 發表於 2012-1-2 01:00 PM

tipping culture is part of the results of under-paid waitress/waiters and servers...

U don't need to tip in Europe because they don't get minimum pay and live on tips there...

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-1-2 17:59

JUST CURIOUS

快樂牛郎, 如果你參加香港D旅行團﹐講明臨走時要比(某數目)的TIPS。但個領隊全程比最爛既S ...
librazhy 發表於 2012/1/2 16:32

講明臨走時要比(某數目)的TIPS is not tips
it's just another fee

when you go inside a restaurant
they don't tell you 講明臨走時要比(某數目)的TIPS

作者: jiujiujiu 時間: 2012-1-2 18:10

Tips我又唔介意比, 因為, 我通常都去D比較熟o既地方食野...
況且, 如果個餐館D食物同service都唔錯, 咁比tips都值得啦~ 仲有, 同D部長經理混熟D, 飲茶吃飯人家都識做, XO醬, 九折都隨時有啦~ 連等位都可以等少D時間呀~

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2012-1-2 22:32

JUST CURIOUS

快樂牛郎, 如果你參加香港D旅行團﹐講明臨走時要比(某數目)的TIPS。但個領隊全程比最爛既S ...
librazhy 發表於 2012-1-2 16:32

He/She will say " WHO CARES! "

作者: lazycow8850 時間: 2012-1-3 02:03

That's really funny to read this post......why ppl r always so "cheap" ?? If u really enjoy the restaurant, enjoy the food, enjoy the service....why bother to calculate the tips before/after tax??? If u guys don't have money, don't go out to eat!! Just cook @ home or go to food court!!! Servers who work in restaurant really deserve to get tips from customers....they take ur orders, bring out food, clean up ur tables, etc!! They also need to smile all the time even they need to face many annoying customers........

作者: 嘉嘉 時間: 2012-1-3 10:19

本帖最後由嘉嘉於 2012-1-3 10:25 編輯

That's really funny to read this post......why ppl r always so "cheap" ?? If u really enjoy the res ...
lazycow8850 發表於 2012-1-3 02:03

not all servers deserve the tips, you know?

and I don't see why is this funny and cheapthey just want to know

and if no one eat out, I guess you probably don't get pay too wor........should think twice before saying la
if I remember correctly, you said you work at a restaurant ar ma

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-1-3 14:28

That's really funny to read this post......why ppl r always so "cheap" ?? If u really enjoy the res ...
lazycow8850 發表於 2012/1/3 02:03

i wouldn't say they "deserve" to get tips while people who work in the kitchen washing dishes don't get much tips

"they take ur orders, bring out food, clean up ur tables, etc!!"

this is in their job descriptions

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-1-3 14:30

That's really funny to read this post......why ppl r always so "cheap" ?? If u really enjoy the res ...
lazycow8850 發表於 2012/1/3 02:03

and everyone has the right to eat out as long as they pay the base amount.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2012-1-3 14:50

I guess some server works because of the tip and forget the "pay" they got...

作者: jj123van 時間: 2012-1-4 11:36

First of all, I think there are exceptional servers out there who deserve higher wage. However, I think there are some terrible servers out there who takes tips for granted. I really believe in tips should be give in relationship to quality of service received, not a set percentage. I would often pay 30%+ for a good experience (regardless of type of restaurant); but there are times I would refuse to pay any tips due to a sup-par quality of service.

In many countries (Switzerland, Germany, Japan, etc.), tips are considered offensive by waiters, as they truly believe in service quality standards, and take pride in their profession. On the same token, would you tip a bank teller for processing your bank transaction? They often have to deal with difficult guest and still put up a smile. How about a Bus Drivers? Flight attendant? Janitor? Supermarket cashiers? Don't they deserve to be tipped as much as a Waiter/Waitress?

作者: raffaello 時間: 2012-1-4 13:26

That's really funny to read this post......why ppl r always so "cheap" ?? If u really enjoy the res ...
lazycow8850 發表於 2012-1-3 02:03

They are paid by the restaurant to do all those tasks you listed. If they think they are underpaid, go find a better job.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2012-1-4 14:50

Really interesting ... even how much tip to pay ... so many replies ..

Well, waiter (waitress) are so high pay .... hard to get higher pay job wor ..

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-1-4 16:25

I don't see how a waiter can be exceptionally good. They can be extra friendly but whatever they do is not rocket science. Maybe the norm is that they should be doing a poor job so the not-so-bad ones become exceptional.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2012-1-4 16:31

Waiter in US vs Canada .. big diff la..

Then from Asin ..

Waiter/waitress from asian are very good .. but low pay .. waiter in N/A .. over paid .. that is why .. they dont give a shXt ..

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2012-1-4 17:32

Waiter in US vs Canada .. big diff la..

Then from Asin ..

Waiter/waitress from asian are very ...
Catpiano 發表於 2012-1-4 04:31 PM

Not sure about AB and the restaurants you go to..
I think most resto here pay close to minimum hourly rate for servers.
They make most of their income from tips (esp higher end restaurants).
I do get good service in Canada but not from all restaurants. Sadly, I don't want to say it out but most Asian restaurants didn't try hard on improving their service.
They are selling the "value" instead of a dining experience. i.e. service isn't a big part of it.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-1-4 17:38

Not sure about AB and the restaurants you go to..
I think most resto here pay close to minimum hou ...
布小熊發表於 2012/1/4 17:32

But when you go to those high end restaurants with "good services", their menu prices are already inflated to include such premium services. There's no reason to pay those waiters extra either.

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2012-1-4 18:22

But when you go to those high end restaurants with "good services", their menu prices are already ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2012-1-4 05:38 PM

I was googling to make sure that i am not wrong on assuming that servers get only minimum pay... I was shock to find out that some (in the states at least) get WAY less than minimum on their base pay...

this guy was getting $2.35 per hour...
On his table tip:

Cooks get 5%. Bartenders get 2%. Busers get 3%. Hosts get 2%c of my ‘reported’ tip earnings.

I earned $2.35 per hour for my work. Worked 11 hours. So I got $47.

Read it if you have a lot of time:
http://moneyning.com/personal/do-waiters-always-deserve-the-tip/

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2012-1-4 18:41

Well .. anyway .. doesn't matter .. when everyone pays ~ 12-15% .. tip ..

What can u do? Yes, someone can say he is not going to pay a penny .. or pay a lots .. when the waitress is hot ..

作者: lazycow8850 時間: 2012-1-5 01:08

If u guys never work as a waiter or waitress....u really don't understand how hard they work!!! I am not say that u HAVE to give tips...but...giving appreciation for having food or service in a restaurant....please respect them!!! I don't want to argue in this post...but just hope everyone understand this industry....Thanks a lot!

作者: jeje 時間: 2012-1-5 01:40

If u guys never work as a waiter or waitress....u really don't understand how hard they work!!! I am ...
lazycow8850 發表於 2012-1-5 01:08

You never work in a hotel. A lot of hotels in Richmond only pay $10.00 per hour. A housekeeping staff needs to clean a room in half an hour. It's really a hard job. Lots of guests said they enjoy staying in the hotel very much but not paying any tips to the housekeeping staff, not to mention they did not pay anything to the Front Desk staff.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2012-1-5 02:38

at least...you don't get burn ...like 10 times a day.......until you don't see them as a "burn".....as a housekeeping staff..and you don't really need to deal between customers and chefs...which is a hell a lot of drama...

作者: raffaello 時間: 2012-1-5 08:54

本帖最後由 raffaello 於 2012-1-5 09:06 編輯

If u guys never work as a waiter or waitress....u really don't understand how hard they work!!! I am ...
lazycow8850 發表於 2012-1-5 01:08

So twisted mind. Many other people work very hard in various industries too. It is not customers' fault for the restaurant industry to underpay their staff. I rather restaurants increase their prices then forcing customers to pay stupid tips.

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2012-1-5 10:29

本帖最後由 pkphilip 於 2012-1-5 10:33 編輯

Tipping is a stupid idea, the people are getting paid to do their job, why pay them more?? If in situation where they do above and beyond their roles, they then deserve an extra reward.

To say that food servers work so hard, so low pay that they need to rely on tips, it is a very twisted truth. It should be the worker to ask for the right salary from the owner, not from the customers.

I am in the service industry too, I often get tips and gifts because I went above and beyond to help my clients. I don't get paid a lot too but I get a commission off from my fees so I could make a living this way. I am getting paid to do my job, and the company pays me enough to do that, so I never expects extra from my clients.

Philip

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-1-5 11:02

If u guys never work as a waiter or waitress....u really don't understand how hard they work!!! I am ...
lazycow8850 發表於 2012/1/5 01:08

you only gain respect when you don't ask for tips

作者: FiChai 時間: 2012-1-5 15:01

I have a believe that for the whatever price it charged, it should includes food and service already. For example, most fast food restaurants offer simple food with minimal service, that's why their prices are relatively cheap; but for a fine dining restaurant at a 5 star hotel would offer much quality food and service, and thus their prices are much more expensive. Therefore, regarding for the tips/gratuity, since the price on the menu already includes food and service charge, only if the server provides extraordinarily good service, I really don't think why they should get more tips than usual. And yea, I only calculate tips before tax.

作者: lazycow8850 時間: 2012-1-7 01:21

Respect!!! Not just yelling, arguing in the forum.....Anyway, even servers r working in low level job...but they still know how to respect!!! Sorry to bother everyone....This forum is dying....no more 老友記.......so sad!!!!

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-1-7 18:57

Respect!!! Not just yelling, arguing in the forum.....Anyway, even servers r working in low level jo ...
lazycow8850 發表於 2012/1/7 01:21

What if the servers don't respect you? Would you still respect them?

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