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作者: sheep 時間: 2012-3-6 10:10 標題: 響溫哥華搵多過75000一年嘅公帑人員

搵多過75000一年嘅收公帑人員
佢哋嘅名字都會放上網度
給大家參考吓
教師就係一份子
大部份教過我嘅都榜上有名 75000 - 85000
你哋啲同你哋啲仔女又有幾多呢？

作者: yuusaku 時間: 2012-3-6 10:27

wah....teacher make that much gah, are those high school teacher????????? I wonder what is the entry salary for them...

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-6 10:38

Is $75,000 a lot these days in BC? I am out of touch.

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-3-6 10:41

$75,000 is not much. Teaching is a profession.
At $4,600 take home pay a month, it just enough to support a family in Vancouver.

You will cry more if teachers is making $10/hr.

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2012-3-6 10:45

That's a lot, considering that they have ridiculous amount of holidays, not to mention the summer break. Few OTs, low pressure.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-6 10:47

That's a lot, considering that they have ridiculous amount of holidays, not to mention the summer br ...
BiscottiGelato 發表於 2012/3/6 10:45

Some teachers I talked to have high pressures and OT a lot. I guess it variesa lot from person to person.

作者: sheep 時間: 2012-3-6 10:57

回復 4# Look4chrisng

I have such experience, a teacher put up a slide and tell the class to study themselves and he go to another class to chat with a female teacher for the whole block.

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-3-6 11:22

回復 7# sheep

You are talking about 2 different things . Holding accountability and compensation. If a teacher is not up to par, it should not hired at all.

作者: sheep 時間: 2012-3-6 12:11

回復 sheep

You are talking about 2 different things . Holding accountability and compensation. ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2012-3-6 11:22

the truth is, they are hired and no one can held them accountable

作者: rainbow-davie 時間: 2012-3-6 12:21

Minimum Pay $10.

BC 2009 Occupation hourly rate:
http://www.bcstats.gov.bc.ca/Sta ... ySummaryTables.aspx

Most of the job , people frequent get around 15-30/hr

And Teacher get $35+ /hr? are you kidding me?

Now, you are asking people who earn only $20 to pay a good chunk of money for the teacher.  and most of us never get a 15% raise unless we change job.

and the teacher do not need to change job.  they stick their butt on the chairs for years, doing the same thing over years, and they can earn that much without job security risk.

You ask yourself first, is it sounds fair to yourself?  you have to face job security, face challenge from coworkers, and customers from all ages & all cultures, do you think you should deserve more?

作者: sheep 時間: 2012-3-6 12:23

The reality is 85% of the education budget goes to teachers salary and they are now asking for 26 wks of compassionate leave for friends not relatives that are suffering critical illness.
Lets get real

作者: sheep 時間: 2012-3-6 12:48

wah....teacher make that much gah, are those high school teacher????????? I wonder what is the entry ...
yuusaku 發表於 2012-3-6 10:27

professor in University earns over 100K a year

作者: yuusaku 時間: 2012-3-6 13:49

I'm not surprised if professor make more than 100k a year, I think the requirement would be different between professor and teacher.

75k~85k for high school or lower...that seems high to me.

professor in University earns over 100K a year
sheep 發表於 2012-3-6 12:48

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-6 13:53

why don't you all become teachers
since the pay is that good

作者: sheep 時間: 2012-3-6 13:57

I'm not surprised if professor make more than 100k a year, I think the requirement would be differen ...
yuusaku 發表於 2012-3-6 13:49

PhD

作者: librazhy 時間: 2012-3-6 14:04

if salary 75k per year, can you still remain $4600/month to take home(net pay)? I don't know much about the tax bracket in BC

作者: satoshi 時間: 2012-3-6 15:27

for a teacher to make well >70K, one probably needs to be a step 10, cat 6 + doing summer teaching or have some sort of side job - http://www.bcpsea.bc.ca/bc-teach ... r-salary-grids.aspx, since the max. salary for a step 10, cat 6 teacher is ~70K.

and what does it take to become a cat6, step 10 teacher-- a graduate degree + yrs worth of teaching experience... in reality, a lot of jobs on the main stream market pay a lot more than 70K for someone w/ a graduate degree...

Category Six (6)

The requirements for this category are two or more acceptable programs that total six or more years of academic and professional studies and include an acceptable graduate degree.

The requirements may be met with one of:

a) An acceptable five-year B Ed degree or an acceptable four-year baccalaureate degree plus an acceptable professional year of teacher preparation followed by an acceptable graduate degree; or,

b) An acceptable four-year B Ed degree followed by an acceptable integrated program (note Regulation 4.05) and an acceptable graduate degree or an acceptable graduate degree and another acceptable degree; or,

c) An acceptable three-year baccalaureate degree plus an acceptable professional year of teacher preparation followed by an acceptable integrated program (note Regulation 4.05) and an acceptable graduate degree or an acceptable graduate degree and another acceptable degree; or,

d) An acceptable three-year baccalaureate degree plus an acceptable two-year B Ed and an acceptable graduate degree; or,

e) A program of five or more years of study which contains not less than 150 acceptable semester credits (or their equivalent) including an acceptable degree and an acceptable professional year, and which meets the requirement for Professional Certification by the British Columbia College of Teachers (see Transition Rules 6.00), plus an acceptable graduate degree.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-6 15:43

That's what I think. People are so easily jealous without thinking what it takes to get to that level of income. I am sick of people who complain about low salary but never think about how they can make more.

作者: satoshi 時間: 2012-3-6 15:47

That's what I think. People are so easily jealous without thinking what it takes to get to that lev ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2012-3-6 03:43 PM

well said...

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-6 16:11

There's a reason why the gap between wealthy and poor is widening. Those who can make money will continue to make more money while those who cannot make money will continue to, well, not make money.

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2012-3-6 16:42

There's a reason why the gap between wealthy and poor is widening. Those who can make money will con ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2012-3-6 16:11

If 75k is the upper bracket then I don't think it's much at all.

But if the majority are making 75k, with the following applicable

- 3 months of summer holiday a year
- reading break, longer winter holidays, etc
- supreme job security
- collective bargaining power
- low pressure and OT (relative to an equivilently compensated job from a private company)

then that's absolutely crazy, especially because they are getting paid out of taxpayer's dime! If we look at how much a 75k teacher make in per hours terms, then it'll probably take someone who works 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year (minus vacations) well over 100k to match that kind of hourly rate.

作者: rainbow-davie 時間: 2012-3-6 18:16

why don't you all become teachers
since the pay is that good
快樂牛郎發表於 2012-3-6 13:53

Good idea. When they make ever teach salary over 100K, i will apply for teacher job. For sure!

作者: rainbow-davie 時間: 2012-3-6 18:17

if salary 75k per year, can you still remain $4600/month to take home(net pay)? I don't know much ab ...
librazhy 發表於 2012-3-6 14:04

But look at their benefits. Can you get these kinda benefits in private compnay? no way

作者: rainbow-davie 時間: 2012-3-6 18:18

There's a reason why the gap between wealthy and poor is widening. Those who can make money will con ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2012-3-6 16:11

Well. I made more than the teacher average. but when I look at their work and the benefits, I don't think they deserve it at all.

作者: rainbow-davie 時間: 2012-3-6 18:19

Recommend to read this:

http://taxpayer.com/blog/06-09-2 ... ord-teacher-demands

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-6 18:51

Well. I made more than the teacher average. but when I look at their work and the benefits, I don' ...
rainbow-davie 發表於 2012/3/6 18:18

how do you judge that someone else doesn't deserve to be paid well while you deserve to be?

作者: rainbow-davie 時間: 2012-3-6 22:02

how do you judge that someone else doesn't deserve to be paid well while you deserve to be?
快樂牛郎發表於 2012-3-6 18:51

Because my wage is judged & adjusted by the market, and also rated by my yearly performance.
Public Teacher's wage is not. Their wage is bargained by Union, using Strike, and ways that scarifying other people's right.

If their wage is rated by performance, and adjusted by market and their skill, then sure. but they are not.

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2012-3-6 22:07

回復 27# rainbow-davie

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-3-6 22:28

[youtube]http://youtu.be/JDrPwBDX26k[/youtube]

His salary was also market. What is his contributions?

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-6 23:50

His salary was also market. What is his contributions?
Look4chrisng 發表於 2012/3/6 22:28

can't see

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-3-7 00:55

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkEkxGsXmPI

作者: sheep 時間: 2012-3-7 09:36

how do you judge that someone else doesn't deserve to be paid well while you deserve to be?
快樂牛郎發表於 2012-3-6 18:51

I wonder the company you are working or you are self employed spent 85% of your operating budget in salary?

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-3-7 11:03

回復 16# librazhy

CRA has a quick and dirty net pay calculator.

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-3-7 11:05

回復 32# sheep

The better question to ask is a family of 4 can live on at a Salary of $75k (It is so high and wonder wages according to you)?

作者: librazhy 時間: 2012-3-7 11:40

回復 librazhy

CRA has a quick and dirty net pay calculator.
Look4chrisng 發表於 2012-3-7 11:03

this? https://apps.cra-arc.gc.ca/ebci/ ... age.do?lang=English

作者: sheep 時間: 2012-3-7 12:08

回復 sheep

The better question to ask is a family of 4 can live on at a Salary of $75k (It is so ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2012-3-7 11:05

If I want my wife to stay home instead of working, if I want my child to play to learn Hockey and go on vacation every summer. Then it is not enough

作者: sko 時間: 2012-3-7 13:27

All relative, no? $75K is surely no wonder number, but I thought BC's average total annual income per individual is only under $30K? And ~$67K for the whole household?

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-7 13:37

All relative, no? $75K is surely no wonder number, but I thought BC's average total annual income pe ...
sko 發表於 2012/3/7 13:27

but should a teacher be getting only "average" salary compared to the whole workforce? or should they be paid above average?

作者: sko 時間: 2012-3-7 14:05

but should a teacher be getting only "average" salary compared to the whole workforce? or should t ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2012-3-7 13:37

Teachers should make above average without a doubt. The number we're talking about here is 2.5 times the average + perks and benefits.

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-3-7 14:33

本帖最後由 Look4chrisng 於 2012-3-7 14:34 編輯

回復 36# sheep

None of the things (annual vacation, Stay at home mom, playing hockey and pension) are extravagance for professional families earning professional incomes, or even on blue collar workers salary.

Canadians/Americans have been living like this for years. 2 incomes family is a only recent phenomenon.

Even then, with $4500 net, a Vancouver family is still living paycheck to paycheck. no hockey, or annual vacation. Have you done math for $4500? for a family of 4? If you want mom to go into workforce, do you know how much is child care for a month?

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-7 14:39

I think it's not that the teachers make too much. It's that the rest of the population makes too little. But then if your skills (if there's any) are not valued, then you can't really ask people to pay you more.

作者: sheep 時間: 2012-3-7 14:43

回復 40# Look4chrisng

double income family is not for fun, it's about trying to make ends meet

作者: sheep 時間: 2012-3-7 14:44

Minister of Education says that they save $11 million each day because of the teachers' strike

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-7 14:45

strike all the way then
just keep your kids at home

it's actually better that way

作者: sheep 時間: 2012-3-7 14:47

I think it's not that the teachers make too much. It's that the rest of the population makes too li ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2012-3-7 14:39

it's not that the teachers make too much or the rest of the population makes too little,
It is about whether they deserve to or they are performing to meet expectation.
The case for me to say is not.

作者: sheep 時間: 2012-3-7 14:58

BCTF make one of the strike day as a Pro D day so teachers will got pay for one day.
Soooooooooooooooo greedy

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-3-7 15:01

回復 42# sheep

Just want you to know 2x income is not a common thing until 80's. Matter of fact, Stay-at-home moms don't want to stay home if the math makes sense. After paying an additional car, childcare, women are working for peanuts.

Good childcare is $1200/mo if you can find one.

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-3-7 15:17

回復 45# sheep

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro ... _Student_Assessment

Math/Science/Reading are all top 10. Used to be No. 2. Our kids are doing fine when you see how often they study.

I can understand you hate the Teachers' Union, but our public schools are doing alright. Just look south of boarder, if your kids are in public schools, you are a loser.

It's a sunny day out there.

作者: sheep 時間: 2012-3-7 15:27

回復 48# Look4chrisng

Students doing good is not because of the school teachers, its because their parents find that their kids need after school tutorials.

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-3-7 15:33

回復 49# sheep

Only Canadian kids go to tutoring school? Sheep, are you buying 5D mark 3?

作者: sheep 時間: 2012-3-7 21:51

Bill Yuen 計過
千一萬除四萬
結果係每小時係四十五蚊

作者: fibbi 時間: 2012-3-7 22:03

今時今日邊份工guarantee5％ increase every year？我都真係好想做。做老師辛苦係人都知，唔好話入職嘅時候唔知喎，唔通真係諗住朝九晚五收得工？而且份人工係做十個月，唔係做足一年。summer再去打summer job又得，嘆唞吓又得。算係咁啦。一班得嗰三十靚人都唔知有無，我以前一班都45人啦，老師咪又係咁教，學生咪又係咁學。

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-7 23:38

今時今日邊份工guarantee5％ increase every year？我都真係好想做。
fibbi 發表於 2012/3/7 22:03

my job is like that. Actually more like 10%

作者: rainbow-davie 時間: 2012-3-8 01:11

本帖最後由 rainbow-davie 於 2012-3-8 01:13 編輯

it's not that the teachers make too much or the rest of the population makes too little,
It ...
sheep 發表於 2012-3-7 14:47

totally agree
anyway, i sent a letter to BC teacher Union, and fxxk them all already. Yes.. I said "Fxxk you all greedy baster".

作者: sheep 時間: 2012-3-8 09:53

my job is like that. Actually more like 10%
快樂牛郎發表於 2012-3-7 23:38

do you have any pressure in your job? Do you have to meet your boss expectation?

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-3-8 11:04

totally agree
anyway, i sent a letter to BC teacher Union, and fxxk them all already. Yes.. I sai ...
rainbow-davie 發表於 2012-3-8 01:11

If you are going to fu*k the teachers

Send one to the top guys of BC Ferries, ICBC, CMHC, Translink, No 1,2,3 guys at HK SAR Gov. It will be more productive.

Teachers' "greed" is about having a roof over his head and having food on the table and at the very minimum they babysit our kids for $4500 net.

I would say these guys at BC Ferries, CMHC and the like actually have -ve productivity. Worse yet, these guy also educated you that everyone is greedy if they want 5% rate raise (hardly match inflation) while they are getting millions.

$4500/mo is greed? Inflation adjusted raise is greed?

Get you head a shake, and put things in perspective.

作者: blue20ae 時間: 2012-3-8 11:56

冷靜d  呢道係吹水forum姐.

人工係 supply and demand 定嘅.  如果 D 教師覺得BC Ferries, ICBC, CMHC, Translink pay 好 d, 佢地大可以轉工。

任何organization 都有D人工高，有D人工低。唔可能用 top guys 人工同幾萬人比.  如果唔係咩變咗做又36, 誤做又36.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-8 11:58

do you have any pressure in your job? Do you have to meet your boss expectation?
sheep 發表於 2012/3/8 09:53

probably no more pressure than the teachers I know

作者: chunsh 時間: 2012-3-8 12:15

Is $75,000 a lot these days in BC? I am out of touch.
快樂牛郎發表於 2012-3-6 10:38

well for IT or accountants from my friend list who only got like 3-4 years work exp after grad, they only earned from $40000-60000

作者: chunsh 時間: 2012-3-8 12:16

回復 Look4chrisng

I have such experience, a teacher put up a slide and tell the class to stu ...
sheep 發表於 2012-3-6 10:57

"LIKE"

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-3-8 12:49

回復 57# blue20ae

If Professional jobs which require professional degrees/skills cannot afford a middle class wages, do you think we have a problem in this city, my friends?

作者: fibbi 時間: 2012-3-8 13:00

回復 61# Look4chrisng

There are many professional jobs that can't get $75000 either. Accountant is professional, pharmacist is also professional. Vancouver is expensive city to live, everybody knows. When many of us don't have that 5% increase every year, it's just not the right time to ask that much. I think 4% is more reasonable.

作者: rainbow-davie 時間: 2012-3-8 13:16

If you are going to fu*k the teachers

Send one to the top guys of BC Ferries, ICBC, CMHC, Transli ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2012-3-8 11:04

I **** the teacher, not ****ing you.  why you so pissed?

I always send email to any thing that doesnt' seem right and fair to me.  This is not my first time.

Simple question for you, unless you are teacher.  Are you willing to pay more extra from your income for the teacher's raise?

One thing you have to think about is. after Teacher union get its raise, then all the other public service union will ask for the same thing.  Our gov't has no money, so either cut some services, or raise debt, or raise tax.  What do you want? DF

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-3-8 14:20

1. I am not a teacher, nor am I pissed.
2. Are I willing to pay more for teacher's raise?  What is your logic here?  Can you order a fillet mignon and you only want to pay for cheese burger prices? Go ask Rob Feenie
3.  Raise tax/debt.  What is your logic here?  Maybe we should cancelled public education, because that way we can pay less taxes?

The discussion so far here is:  "If I am not pay properly, nobody should".  It sure make sure we race to the bottom very fast.  Try thank about  "How can we insure everyone is paid a living wage" once a while.

Middle Class is losing ground very fast for the last 10-15 years.  Petty soon we are going back to dog-eat-dog day.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-8 14:30

1. I am not a teacher, nor am I pissed.
2. Are I willing to pay more for teacher's raise? What is y ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2012/3/8 14:20

Absolutely. Everyone should fight for better wages for themselves.

作者: sheep 時間: 2012-3-8 14:39

Absolutely. Everyone should fight for better wages for themselves.
快樂牛郎發表於 2012-3-8 14:30

next time when you see a bagger on the street, don't give only one dollar, they deserve a better treat, at least 5 bucks, if not they will fxxk you, according to your logic, everyone should fight for a better life

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-3-8 14:51

回復 63# rainbow-davie

"so either cut some services, or raise debt, or raise tax.  What do you want? DF"

It never seize to amazed me people buy the "more public services mean higher tax for YOU" propaganda. When the real problem is related to the fairness of the tax system.  Mitt Romney would love to have more people like you.

Before calling others DF, try to think independently once awhile.  I can see why you are so disapproval of teachers, as they failed to teach you basic reasoning.

作者: blue20ae 時間: 2012-3-8 15:17

回復 blue20ae

If Professional jobs which require professional degrees/skills cannot afford a midd ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2012-3-8 12:49

If there are more people with professional degrees than the number of professional jobs available then these professional degrees don't mean anything.

In the old days, Bachelor's degree was a competitive edge. Nowadays I look around in my office, Master degree is pretty much at the minimum - and I am not working in any hi-tech work.

作者: rainbow-davie 時間: 2012-3-8 15:25

本帖最後由 rainbow-davie 於 2012-3-8 15:31 編輯

回復 rainbow-davie

"so either cut some services, or raise debt, or raise tax. What do you want? ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2012-3-8 14:51

Simply answer me:

1) are you willing to pay more income tax because of the raise from Union?

2) If not, can you tell me where the money can come from?

* yes. and according to you logic, if normal people like me who receive education here and fail in basic logic, then the teacher obviously didn't do a good job of teaching us. If you statement is correct, then why teacher deserves to have a 15% raise and other better-than-normal-workers benefit?
If your statement is wrong, my reasoning is logical and sound, then what I said about teacher do not deserve an unreasonable raise will stand true.

Either way, teacher should not get a 15% raise.

If you cannot follow my logic, then that's mean you fail in basic logic, and your teacher fail. So, they do not deserve the raise. If you can follow my logic, then my statement will stand true, and you have no right to approve teacher for the raise, unless you contradict yourself.

If you contradict yourself, that's mean you fail in basic logic as well.

The ultimate outcome is the same: Teacher DO NOT deserve a crazy and unreasonable 15% raise.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-8 15:36

next time when you see a bagger on the street, don't give only one dollar, they deserve a better t ...
sheep 發表於 2012/3/8 14:39

they have no guts to fxxk you

作者: sheep 時間: 2012-3-8 15:46

Simply answer me:

1) are you willing to pay more income tax because of the raise from Union?

2) ...
rainbow-davie 發表於 2012-3-8 15:25

like like

作者: sheep 時間: 2012-3-8 15:51

回復 70# 快樂牛郎

so teachers have the guts but with no reason.
If they have reason for a pay raise, simply say they deserve more instead of saying that the students benefits is what they fighting for.

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2012-3-8 15:57

my job is like that. Actually more like 10%
快樂牛郎發表於 2012-3-7 23:38

Avg > 10% increase every year here so far, and above 75k..... but not GUARENTEED... not no pressure... don't have 3 months off every year... no collective bargaining... and tons of OT....

Yeah I know your job is awesome, want some referal bonus?

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-3-8 16:43

1) Yes and no, I wouldn't mind paying more Property Taxes to fund education, but no personal income increases until the problems in my answer no. 2 are fixed.
2) For starters, change how capital gains are taxed, and get rid of Carried Interest.

Before you threaten me with more taxes, do yourself a flavor by finding out income tax rate + payroll taxes rate for working people and those of a hedge fund manager. But that is properly too advance for you, because it is not chewed and spoon feed to your month. It does require facts checking using google search engine.

If you are the subject teachers are dealing with, the rates for psychiatrists apply here.

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-3-8 17:29

Minister of Education says that they save $11 million each day because of the teachers' strike
sheep 發表於 2012-3-7 14:44

For 11 million dollar = TD bank CEO for a year.

I am sure Ed Clark works very hard, hourly rate wise, by Jan 2, TD bank CEO will earn annual salary of a Teacher. Call it greed or whatever, these people are just trying to make ends meet here in Vancouver.

It is not bank robbery, so hold your horses.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2012-3-8 22:05

Just saw this on facebook:
"Here are facts gathered from BCTF....

BCTF's demand back in September :
•A 22% increase in salary (the maximum would move from $74,353 to $90,944 a year).
•Doubling high school prep time from one spare per rotation to two; and increasing elementary prep time from 90 minutes per week to 357. Plus: two days off to write report cards, plus one hour off per individual student interim report.
• Up to 10 days off for the death of any friend or relative—plus two days more if travel is involved.
• Sick leave provisions for Teachers On call.
• Up to 26 weeks of fully paid leave per year to provide direct or indirect compaasionate care to any person.
• Eight days off a year whenever a teacher wants.
• Topping up parental and maternity leave to allow up to 5 years of leave per child.
• 5 more days off for professional development, at teacher’s discretion.
• Up to five days off a year to care for their child or any other person.
• Unlimited leave for teachers for union business.
• Big benefits upgrades—fully pay MSP, extended health and dental, applying to all teachers (no matter how many hours they work).
• Employer pays all professional fees.
• A number of improvements to Teacher On Call pay, including paying them $2,200 per month whether they work or not.
• Retirement bonus of 5% a year to any teacher with 10 years or more service at age 55. "

Huh...it's GOOD to be teacher eh?

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-3-8 23:27

Your are demands put on a bargining table. Very few of them will materialized.

Here is some public records
Deputy Minister of Eduction has 40% raise in pass 5 yr. to a cool 1/4 million, plus expenses of $130k/ year.

Teacher get 2.5% to 0% in the pass few yr. Base salary for new teachers is 45K.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2012-3-9 00:01

Teacher get 2.5% to 0% in the pass few yr. Base salary for new teachers is 45K.
Look4chrisng 發表於 2012-3-8 23:27

so as many people...2.5% increase to 0%...and entry level of $45K is not bad either.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-9 00:07

so as many people...2.5% increase to 0%...and entry level of $45K is not bad either.
fibbi 發表於 2012/3/9 00:01

well
depends on who you are comparing to
$45K is what an entry level office guy with basic education makes

作者: fibbi 時間: 2012-3-9 00:09

回復 79# 快樂牛郎

Depends on where you comparing to?

Here, I don't think entry level CSR in bank can make that much.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-9 00:14

回復快樂牛郎

Depends on where you comparing to?

Here, I don't think entry level CSR in bank can ...
fibbi 發表於 2012/3/9 00:09

When I first started working as a low skill office worker in Vancouver, the pay was about that level. Bank CSRs - no idea what they make, but they are not really "office workers".

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-9 00:18

well for IT or accountants from my friend list who only got like 3-4 years work exp after grad, t ...
chunsh 發表於 2012/3/8 12:15

IT or accountant is a broad industry. There are accountants who make millions as well as some who make nothing. Same for IT. Every year thousands of people graduate from these programs. Of course there are really good people and suckers.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2012-3-9 00:18

回復 81# 快樂牛郎

I would say $45K is decent to start with. Not everyone make that much initially.

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-3-9 09:36

回復 80# fibbi

45k is high, depending on what talents you want to attached.

A grandma charges $3/hr to babysit. She will chew the lunch first and split it to kids month. Fresh and easy to digest, that's pretty much your kids educations.

Hire CSR for banks as teacher, so the kids will have a head start working in call centres.

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-3-9 09:44

回復 78# fibbi

Are you remotely brothered by the 40% raise at the Minster level while they keep other at net-zero?

作者: fibbi 時間: 2012-3-9 09:50

回復 85# Look4chrisng

That's another issue. 唔可以話因為呀邊個邊個有高人工我就要加多幾多。

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-3-9 09:58

回復 86# fibbi

Why, you can't?

作者: fibbi 時間: 2012-3-9 10:03

回復 87# Look4chrisng

咁你係咪可以同你老細咁講話呀邊個邊個有咁多人工加點解我無，睇下佢點答你。我就無咁嘅guts啦!除非我有後路

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-3-9 10:30

回復 88# fibbi

Wow

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-9 10:57

回復 Look4chrisng

咁你係咪可以同你老細咁講話呀邊個邊個有咁多人工加點解我無，睇下佢點答你。我 ...
fibbi 發表於 2012/3/9 10:03

you can do that if you are costly to replace

作者: fibbi 時間: 2012-3-9 11:18

回復 90# 快樂牛郎

除非公司真係無你唔得，又或者自己有後路。I mean, if one is really outstanding employee then it's ok to bargain. A lot of teachers are great but I won't say all.

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2012-3-9 13:42

回復快樂牛郎

除非公司真係無你唔得，又或者自己有後路。I mean, if one is really outstanding e ...
fibbi 發表於 2012-3-9 11:18

Exactly, the problem here is EVERYONE OF THEM gets a raise, even the SUCKERS that 快樂牛郎 speaks of. And they want to work less at the same time as getting paid more. Otherwise they blackmail you with your kds' education, go on strike etc.

It's their right to demand more and want to work less. But it's also my right to curse them and vote the NDP asses out of office the best I can. It'll be very tough for me to stand by their POV, unless I become a teacher myself.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-9 13:48

Exactly, the problem here is EVERYONE OF THEM gets a raise, even the SUCKERS that 快樂牛郎 speaks ...
BiscottiGelato 發表於 2012/3/9 13:42

true
I hate unions too

作者: sheep 時間: 2012-3-9 15:16

Just saw this on facebook:
"Here are facts gathered from BCTF....

BCTF's demand back in September : ...
fibbi 發表於 2012-3-8 22:05

I wonder which one of those are the benefit of students?

作者: rainbow-davie 時間: 2012-3-9 17:32

i think , let's kill all the public school
turn it into Private or gov't subsidies school. And Gov't no longer be the boss of the school. It is the school itself manages the budget. so, teacher has to compete. The good ones get raise, the worse one change jobs. Let's put them back into the right track.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-9 18:06

i think , let's kill all the public school
turn it into Private or gov't subsidies school. And Gov't ...
rainbow-davie 發表於 2012/3/9 17:32

the end result will be that all the good schools jack up their tuition fees and all the poor students cram in crap schools

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2012-3-9 18:41

回復 95# rainbow-davie
Good, keep only the best students, screw the unions

作者: rainbow-davie 時間: 2012-3-9 19:35

the end result will be that all the good schools jack up their tuition fees and all the poor stude ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2012-3-9 18:06

Market with adjust it. Gov't can regulate it but NOT involve in managing it.

The problem is Gov't now is the boss. that's the problem. Gov't roll show be like a referee or judge, to balance the ball game. Not now.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-9 20:11

Market with adjust it. Gov't can regulate it but NOT involve in managing it.

The problem is Gov' ...
rainbow-davie 發表於 2012/3/9 19:35

market force doesn't work when something is a necessity and there's no easy replacement.

healthcare in US is a prime example.

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-3-9 20:55

回復 99# 快樂牛郎

Wow, cowboy. This is the best statement so far from you. I am surprised and very impressed.

Our friend rainbow reads too much Molten Freeman ****, and can't be saved.

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