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作者: tiffiant 時間: 2012-6-18 06:55 標題: Millions of Canadians flying out

Millions of Canadians flying out of U.S. airports to save money

950,000 Canadian passengers use Bellingham and Seattle airports instead of YVR each year

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/business/2035/Millions+Canadians+flying+airports+save+money/6797282/story.html#ixzz1y9nA0aOM
Cloverdale resident Scott Henning has flown out of Bellingham’s airport to Las Vegas twice — each time with a group of six friends. He has saved a lot of money travelling through BLI over YVR, and he plans to do it again at the end of the summer. The cheapest flights out of Vancouver that Henning could find were $630; from Bellingham he paid $230.
“You can get it even cheaper,” Henning said. “And the package deals — they’re not even comparable.”
Henning is not alone. A senate committee report on airports — The Future of Canadian Air Travel: Toll Booth or Spark Plug — says that millions of Canadians are opting to drive across the line to take advantage of cheaper flights. About 950,000 Canadian passengers use Bellingham and Seattle airports instead of YVR each year, according to a report prepared by the Canadian Airports Council in March.
Canadian airports are losing 4.5 million Canadian passengers to airports just across the line, which has the senate committee report calling for the establishment of a National Air Travel Strategy, and an end to the practice of charging airports ground rent.
Senator Dennis Dawson is chair of the senate committee that wrote the report, and he says Canada is losing $1 billion a year in air travel alone from Canadians who choose to travel out of U.S. airports.
He says it’s quite natural for people to look for the best deal, and that a family of four could save as much as $1,000 by flying out of the United States because the Americans subsidize their airports while the Canadians charge them rent and expect users to cover costs like security and air traffic control.
“The Government of Canada should stop treating airports as a source of public revenue,” Dawson said.
People flying out of Canadian airports often pay 60 and 75 per cent above the airline’s base fare to cover taxes and charges, compared to between 10 and 18 per cent in the U.S., the senate report found.
The CAC report found that a family of four could save $1,365 flying out of Bellingham instead of Vancouver for a vacation in Hawaii. The figures show that the total cost for the family to fly would be $3,165.76 out of Vancouver, including $440.44 in taxes and fees, while the cost to fly out of Bellingham would be $1,800.32, including $151.20 in taxes and fees.
Discovering the reasons the prices are so high in Canada was part of the senate committee’s work.
“... [T]here was a consensus among the majority of witnesses who appeared before the committee that the high cost of flying in Canada is directly attributable to government taxes, fees and other charges that are either paid by passengers directly, or are charged to airports or airlines and passed on to passengers. This conclusion is supported by the findings of the World Economic Forum, which ranked Canada 125th out of 139 countries for ticket taxes and airport charges in 2011,” the report states.
“Government taxes and fees associated with air travel, starting with ground rents, need to be reduced to help make air travel in Canada more affordable and more competitive,” the report concludes.
Dawson said the committee found that the government should transfer ownership of the airports to the airport authorities, which would save them the cost of the rents.
The Vancouver Airport Authority pays Ottawa $34 million each year in rent, said Tony Gugliotta, senior vice-president of marketing and business development.
“[Eliminating the] rent would not solve the gap in ticket prices — it’s more than just rent,” Gugliotta said, adding that

作者: tiffiant 時間: 2012-6-18 06:56

Canada has a philosophy that users should cover the cover of air travel while the United States subsidizes airports seemingly because they believe transportation is an enabler of economic growth.

“They view it as an investment,” Gugliotta said. For instance, a recent runway extension at Bellingham’s airport was paid for by the American government, while in Canada, airport improvements are paid for by departing travellers through the Airport Improvement Fee, which is $20 for passengers flying outside of B.C. and Yukon.

YVR serves a total of 17 million passengers each year, of which five million are travellers to the U.S. Gugliotta said most of the nearly one million passengers flying out of Bellingham are headed to destinations within the U.S.

“So 20 per cent of our U.S. traffic is using Bellingham or Seattle,” Gugliotta said. “It’s pretty significant.”

Traffic at Bellingham International Airport is up 115 per cent for the period 2007 to 2011, with 62 per cent of travellers coming from Canada, the Wall Street Journal reported.

Chris Youngson, who lives in North Vancouver, has flown to Las Vegas from Bellingham a half a dozen times and says he usually pays about $180 for the flight, and sometimes even less.

He says if the price difference fell under $50, he would fly out of YVR, especially since with a combination of bus, seabus and Canada Line, he can get from his home at the top of Capilano Road, he can get to the airport in just over an hour. The drive to Bellingham is 80.7 kilometres from Vancouver.

Both Henning and Youngson said the cheap parking at Bellingham’s airport — it’s $9 a day — is one appeal, as is the fact that the airport is small so that there are usually no waits for security or luggage.

“It’s 100 metres to the airport from the parking lot,” Youngson said. “There’s no customs, so usually I don’t have to wait at all.”

At YVR, long-term parking is $15.75 a day and the lot is not within walking distance to the terminal, but there is a shuttle bus. YVR is a high-end airport complete with duty free shops, full services restaurants and other amenities. Gugliotta said some travellers start their vacation at the airport.

But for Henning and Youngson, the bare-bones nature of the Bellingham airport is not a concern. The fact that Allegiant, which is one of the airlines flying out of Bellingham, makes passengers pay for their bags, or to pre-select a seat, doesn’t phase Henning.

“I’ve never had a problem. As long as you get there a bit early the seats are not a problem.”

As far as the extra luggage fees, Henning said it’s worth it to save half the airfare.

Gugliotta said 22 airlines signed on for an incentive deal YVR offered to keep airlines flying out of Vancouver that froze fees at 2010 levels, even if an airline increased their capacity or service.

Although he did not have specific numbers, Gugliotta said American passengers sometimes fly out of YVR because Vancouver’s airport has good deals on charter flights to Asia and Europe. He also said there are times that fares to American destinations like Las Vegas are cheaper out of Vancouver than Bellingham, and that it pays to shop around.

作者: tiffiant 時間: 2012-6-18 06:57

Millions of Canadians flying out of U.S. airports to save money

作者: fibbi 時間: 2012-6-18 08:49

Well, I really want to fly from YVR when I went to LA last time. With a baby it's so much hassle to fly from Bellingham. But after hours or research, the price I got is $298/ticket (from YVR)vs $100 (from Bellingham) per ticket. 4 people save almost $800...even I spent $100 on shuttle bus, saving of $700 ...can't resist. Even though later on Air Can has special of $198, but it comes too late...I wouldn't book ticket just less than 1 month before the actual date. But come to think about it...$100 vs $198...it's still double the price of US!

作者: satil 時間: 2012-6-18 09:45

我都用Seattle飛Toronto, 搾車落Seattle, park and ride.
飛Buffalo, 租車上番入加境. 平好多!
回來仲可以順路outlets大量購物. 盡用免稅額.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2012-6-18 09:50

回復 5# satil

Used to fly from SeaTac airport, but it's quite far away. Almost 3 hours drive (if not more), traffic is also busy around that area.
有一次試過遇上I5整路，一路塞一路驚。。。最後攪到45分鐘前先去到機場，好彩係國內機先OK，真係諗起都驚。

Going is no problem...but coming back...still need to drive 3 hours home after long flight...that's really tiring. Bellingham 方便得多.

作者: satil 時間: 2012-6-18 10:03

回復 6# fibbi

落到Seattle咁低, 我通常早一日, 順便找朋友, 親戚, 食吓飯, 飲吓咖啡.
咁時間鬆好多.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2012-6-18 10:11

回復 7# satil

that's true, should have go there a day before.
But I remember last time we save about $200. If I spend a night on hotel then it became the same price as flying from here la...

作者: peter236 時間: 2012-6-18 11:05

回復 fibbi

落到Seattle咁低, 我通常早一日, 順便找朋友, 親戚, 食吓飯, 飲吓咖啡.
咁時間鬆好多. ...
satil 發表於 2012-6-18 10:03

How much for parking per day at the airport?

作者: satil 時間: 2012-6-18 11:30

以錢計, 真係可能洗多咗, 但行程就豐富了. 平咗用番去飲飲食食, 免稅購物.

seatac park and fly.. 一般都係$11/day.. 最平可以搵到$4-5一日, 不過你未必敢泊.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2012-6-18 11:33

回復 10# satil

yeah...safety is more important...the park and fly lot I found is also around $11/day. With some coupon it could be a bit cheaper. but still $9/day.

作者: bubblesalt 時間: 2012-6-18 11:44

Last time we went to New York from Seattle, we found a hotel that we can spend a night for about $120, including a week's worth of parking for no charge, so we stayed a night then before we came back to Vancouver.

作者: blue20ae 時間: 2012-6-18 12:03

To New York, not necessary good deal. From time to time, there are direct flight special around $600. The price different with flying out from SEA or BLI is not that much.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-6-18 12:31

我都用Seattle飛Toronto, 搾車落Seattle, park and ride.
飛Buffalo, 租車上番入加境. 平好多!
回來仲可以 ...
satil 發表於 2012/6/18 09:45

really?
平好多?

like how much? Flight from Vancouver to Toronto is about $300.
Seattle to Buffalo, at least $220?

作者: satil 時間: 2012-6-18 13:52

aircanada & westjet , yvr - yyz , $409 -- $514.21 (tax and surcharge)
expedia 最平都要 $503啦.

$300又真係好平喎, 邊間呀?

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-6-18 15:15

aircanada & westjet , yvr - yyz , $409 -- $514.21 (tax and surcharge)
expedia 最平都要 $503啦.

$300 ...
satil 發表於 2012/6/18 13:52

I am flying to Toronto from Vancouver on 8/21

http://www.expedia.ca/Flights-Se ... ice&mode=search

$279 one way on Expedia.ca

Cheapest similar flight from Seattle to Buffalo on the same day costs $269 USD.

作者: satil 時間: 2012-6-18 15:41

回復 16# 快樂牛郎

噢, 8月尾. 怪不得.
平日唔係時時都夾到最平時間, 又唔係可以時時搏運到, 唔係咁啱有特價.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-6-18 18:13

回復快樂牛郎

噢, 8月尾. 怪不得.
平日唔係時時都夾到最平時間, 又唔係可以時時搏運到, 唔係咁啱有特 ...
satil 發表於 2012/6/18 15:41

I don't know. It's my first time flying out of Vancouver in the last 10 years.

I am also flying from Boston to Vancouver in mid September, and the fare is CHEAPER than flying to Seattle, LOL.

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