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作者: peter236    時間: 2012-8-22 16:13     標題: 解 放 軍 高 層 突 訪 美 引 關 注

http://www.singtao.com/yesterday/chi/0823eo02.html

(星島日報報道)解放軍副總參謀長蔡英挺率領的中國高級軍方代表團，本周一赴美國訪問。中美雙方均未作事先預報，引起外界關注。傳代表團將向美方解釋上月試射的新型「東風-41」洲際導彈，傳其「可攜帶多達十枚分導核彈頭」、威脅美國本土。

　　這是今年五月初中國防長梁光烈訪美後僅僅三個多月，中國高級軍方代表團再次赴美訪問，因中美雙方均未對外預報消息，令外界感到「事發突然」。

　　有分析認為，中美雙方都希望增加高層軍事互訪，以增進溝通和了解，但雙方的軍事接觸還是小心翼翼的。

　　傳解放軍二炮部隊上月下旬成功試射最新型的「東風-41」洲際導彈，該型導彈戰力驚人，可攜帶多達十枚分導核彈頭，且
每枚分彈頭都能打擊「每一個人口超過五萬的美國城鎮」，引起美方關注，因而中美軍方就此進行緊急接觸

2012-08-23
作者: peter236    時間: 2012-8-22 16:14

They are probably making negotiations and preparations for war, very likely with regard to some islands.
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2012-8-22 19:51

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2012-8-22 20:06 編輯

回復 2# peter236

忘戰必危，好戰必亡…

中國唔想輸同美國唔想死人，真係要好好思量…
如果家陣真係響釣魚島海域打起上黎，中國唔玩突襲，我睇唔到有乜勝算…

再過十年啦，此消彼長，情況可能會好D…
作者: peter236    時間: 2012-8-22 23:39

回復  peter236

忘戰必危，好戰必亡…

中國唔想輸同美國唔想死人，真係要好好思量…
如果家陣真係響釣魚 ...
lo_pak 發表於 2012-8-22 19:51


You are missing the point here. China is making sure the US will not back Japan if China decides to send its military to take back Diaoyu islands. That is why they are negotiating now.

If the US agrees not to back Japan, then Japan will not defend at all, when China decides to move in.
作者: rainbow-davie    時間: 2012-8-23 01:58

They are probably making negotiations and preparations for war, very likely with regard to some isla ...
peter236 發表於 2012-8-22 16:14



    U r fxxking crazy.    人命唔係命呀..  打杖唔係打機.  中美有交惡到要打既地步? EVEN 中日都未有.
嘴砲咁勁, 要報國, 不如拿支槍南下射你心目中D美帝啦.
作者: peter236    時間: 2012-8-23 03:20

U r fxxking crazy.    人命唔係命呀..  打杖唔係打機.  中美有交惡到要打既地步? EVEN 中日都未有. ...
rainbow-davie 發表於 2012-8-23 01:58

That is why they are negotiating with the US now.  China is making sure the US will not back Japan if China decides to send its military to take back Diaoyu islands. That is why they are negotiating now.
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2012-8-23 04:47

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2012-8-23 05:16 編輯

回復 4# peter236

如果美國無背書日本，你估架仔敢唔敢玩得咁大?

第一島鏈美國唔會俾你中共兇一兇就斷，你估美國真係真心為左日本?

中共唔響周邊開番幾場"似樣"既海戰，想突破第一島鏈，談何容易…

唉…好鬼掛住庫頁島同海參威…

中國既藍海戰略先天不足，起步遲，美國D狗個個都養到肥施大隻…


美國根本就無認真將中國海軍放在眼內，由頭到尾都只係想欏料同搵著數…

十年，中國至有能力開始打狗，家陣開施，輸左九成…

談判…十劃都未有一撇… 你搵條毛同人講… 游說，都仲可以接受…
作者: blue20ae    時間: 2012-8-23 07:52

跳, 如果要講數, 搵經濟部就得啦, 叫美國還錢咪得羅.   解放軍? 對自己友就叻.
作者: ricrick    時間: 2012-8-23 09:32

傻皮蛋，解放軍的槍頭是對內不對外的
作者: rainbow-davie    時間: 2012-8-23 11:29

美國根本唔須要一槍一砲就可以搞店中國.  以中國民族性來看, 正所謂有錢使得鬼推磨, 當然實有幾個個熱血忠心為國既國人, 但更多既係見錢開眼.  只要美國有錢, 用銀彈必不WASTE吹灰之力打勝杖.
作者: peter236    時間: 2012-8-23 12:08

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2012-8-23 12:10 編輯
美國根本唔須要一槍一砲就可以搞店中國.  以中國民族性來看, 正所謂有錢使得鬼推磨, 當然實有幾個個熱血忠 ...
rainbow-davie 發表於 2012-8-23 11:29


民族性? hahaha, you can easily see so many self-hating bashers here.

But I don't think the US has the excess money, as they are in debt. Their big creditor is China.
作者: rainbow-davie    時間: 2012-8-23 14:02

民族性? hahaha, you can easily see so many self-hating bashers here.

But I don't think the US has ...
peter236 發表於 2012-8-23 12:08


who cares about people here..  I'm talking about people in China.  

yes.. US in debt.. but so what?  they rule the financial world.  They can print as many bill as they want.. or in reality.. they just have to press a button to put money into market electronically.
作者: BiscottiGelato    時間: 2012-8-24 13:20

本帖最後由 BiscottiGelato 於 2012-8-24 13:26 編輯

China vs US is just stupid talk. Chinese people really need to stay humble and work hard for them to have a chance to restore China back to it's former glory. All these BS talk about how 'strong' their country currently is, just detracts from the focus that a lot of work still needs to be done.



These are numbers from the depth of the recession also. US recovered somewhat now, and China have cooled down a little since then. Also pay attention that US GDP > China GDP, even tho China has > 4x population of the US. So the GDP per Capital of China, even after adjusting for PPP, is about 1/30th of that of the US.






Not to mention that aside from a few dozens of prototypes, on the whole, the Chinese military is probably 20 years behind in technology when compared to the US military.

A warfare in economy or military is just impossible. It's true tho that on the press, the US will scream a lot louder even if they lost a few Billion or have a few soliders killed, even when a B means a lot more per capita to China, or if a few hundreds dies in China.
作者: peter236    時間: 2012-8-24 13:23

China vs US is just stupid talk. Chinese people really need to stay humble and work hard for them to ...
BiscottiGelato 發表於 2012-8-24 13:20


hahaha, using 2009 figures is missing the recent developments by a lot.
作者: peter236    時間: 2012-8-24 13:25

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2012-8-24 13:28 編輯
yes.. US in debt.. but so what?  they rule the financial world.  They can print as many bill as they want.. or in reality.. they just have to press a button to put money into market electronically.
rainbow-davie 發表於 2012-8-23 14:02


They can longer print money as they wish, since they are facing the fiscal cliff. If they can print as much as they wish, they would not be in so much debt.
作者: BiscottiGelato    時間: 2012-8-24 13:28

回復 14# peter236

Sorry, I added a snippet late into my post.

"These are numbers from the depth of the recession also. US recovered somewhat now, and China have cooled down a little since then. Also pay attention that US GDP > China GDP, even tho China has > 4x population of the US. So the GDP per Capital of China, even after adjusting for PPP, is about 1/30th of that of the US."

I don't think China have 30x growth in the past few years, let alone 3x. Lucky if they had 30%.

If you love the mother country China so much, instead of having a big mouth boasting the countries 'excellency', i suggest some real work to be done instead. Improve education, perhaps democracy, or even spread awareness that China as it is, still have a lot of work that needs to be done for them to be a true superpower of this world. Chinese people should definately not get complacent and content and be satisfied in it's currently still very 2nd world state.
作者: peter236    時間: 2012-8-24 13:32

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2012-8-24 13:36 編輯
回復  peter236

Sorry, I added a snippet late into my post.

"These are numbers from the depth of t ...
BiscottiGelato 發表於 2012-8-24 13:28

US GDP will go down quickly soon, due to printing too much money. Once they stop printing money, they will go off the fiscal cliff. Maybe they will do a QE3, but that will mean even more debt. All these developments can be found in financial news.

The US is currently richer than China, but the US will go bankrupt first.
作者: BiscottiGelato    時間: 2012-8-24 13:36

本帖最後由 BiscottiGelato 於 2012-8-24 13:37 編輯
US GDP will go down quickly soon, due to printing too much money. Once they stop printing money, th ...
peter236 發表於 2012-8-24 13:32


Ya, US is richer than China, just about 30x~

You can believe what you want in what will happen in the future. I hope you are right. But for that future to happen for real, a lot more work needs to be done rather than just having a big mouth and being self complacent, like a lot of the richer mainlander's attitude currently are these days.... They might be rich (because they r successful or their parents are), but their country is definately still in a very sh_tty hole...
作者: peter236    時間: 2012-8-24 13:40

Ya, US is richer than China, just about 30x~

You can believe what you want in what will happen in ...
BiscottiGelato 發表於 2012-8-24 13:36

I agree with you China needs to work hard for long periods of time, just like any other country. But China is one of the largest creditor of the US.
The US is richer, but a big part of that is due to financial engineering.
作者: peter236    時間: 2012-8-24 20:08

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2012-8-24 20:22 編輯

Even using BiscottiGelato's old 2009 figures. US adjusted for PPP GDP $45,755, China adjusted for PPP GDP $6809.

45755/6809 = 6.72.

Where did you get that US is 30x richer per capita?
作者: peter236    時間: 2012-8-24 20:19

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2012-8-24 20:26 編輯

Just 2 more years of Chinese growth make a big difference. Compare with BiscottiGelato's 2009 figures, the US GDP has increased very little by %. But for China it has increased $1 trillion for each year which is a large % increase.

For year 2011.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis ... y_GDP_%28nominal%29
GDP(nomimal)
US       $15.1 trillion
China  $7.3 trillion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29
GDP adjusted for PPP
US      $15.1 trillion
China $11.3 trillion
作者: BiscottiGelato    時間: 2012-8-27 15:37

本帖最後由 BiscottiGelato 於 2012-8-27 15:41 編輯
Even using BiscottiGelato's old 2009 figures. US adjusted for PPP GDP $45,755, China adjusted for PP ...
peter236 發表於 2012-8-24 20:08


My bad, looked at the wrong figure. You are right. It's *only* about 6x GDP per capita per your 2011 figures, PPP adjusted.



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