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作者: 大C姐 時間: 2012-9-18 10:49 標題: 同90後o靚仔做嘢真嘔血／點解港人咁鍾意搞小圈子？

本帖最後由大C姐於 2012-9-18 10:50 編輯

呢兩個有關工作嘅題都想開好耐，想一次過呻睇吓大家有冇呢啲感覺。

我自己身為８０後都其實好怕被人標籤。成日都話８／９０後點點點，好似＂港女＂咁越描越黑。雖然代代都有人話＂依家啲年青人唔掂＂，但係我真心發現９０後喺職場上係有啲共通點。

１）冇責任心－好多人都唔覺得自己有責任準時，有責任勤力，有責任交帶。自己都未做好自己就話老闆無良，話啲客難服侍，話啲同事難頂。從來冇諗過逗份人工係要處理人事上問題。

２）冇大冇細－做錯事被揭發永遠有藉口反駁。無論係咩事，總覺得自己果套好過個老闆／manager。上司有任何要求都係無理，總之上司就係鍾意刁難下屬。又冇諗吓自己做咗幾多年嘢，做咗幾多年人，自以為自己嘅意見好威但係完全缺乏遠見。

另外我又發現普遍香港人，尤其做中型以上office工果批，都好鍾意講同事是非同搞小圈子。呢個唔一定同年齢有關，但係大部份係女性。

有問題出現，唔會主動confront果件事或果個人，寧願喺背後講人壞話。公司有咩人事問題鍾意向其他同事gossip，當被揭發説三道四，唔反醒不特止，仲怨揭發者好打小報告，做小動作。

每個office梗有人以美貌／後台上位。成日＂圍威喂＂唱人冇料都搏到上位，以不屑眼神睇呢啲靠關係升職嘅人。但係又唔諗吓自己辦公時間搞小圈子唔做嘢，講人壞話加鹽加醋最缺德！

唔知大家有冇遇過以上呢啲人，有嘅話...都要檢討自己有冇份！

－　大C姐

作者: Nam 時間: 2012-9-18 12:35

深感認同，仲要唔鬧得，面皮薄過紙，少少野就沉唔住氣，兼自以為是，差實理論一大堆，咩都做唔到，最後只會怨天尤人，自命有才，對住依種人，年中血壓不停暴升

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2012-9-18 13:14

深感認同，仲要唔鬧得，面皮薄過紙，少少野就沉唔住氣，兼自以為是，差實理論一大堆，咩都做唔到，最後只 ...
Nam 發表於 2012-9-18 12:35

可唔可以解溝吓點解會造成呢種人？

我有幾點可以略略解釋到：

１）９０後小賓賓湊大，冇皇管，冇人鬧，冇人教。好多時都係有佢講冇人講，做屋企小霸王。

２）科技越走越快，覺得模得掂電腦軟件就好有滿足感，好＿叻。讀多兩年書，有少少小聰明就目中無人，覺得上一輩能力不及自己。

３）呢十幾年成長階段，見到新聞日日反政府反大財團，覺得咩嘢唔對勁都係社會嘅錯。覺得＂生不逢時＂，全世界欠咗佢哋咁。改變唔到社會改變唔到生活都唔係自己嘅責任。

作者: AAC 時間: 2012-9-18 14:43

都係未撞夠板囉, 想當年自己讀完U出來, 以為自己好掂, 係做part time 的馬會投注站開週會時, 拋晒管理學書包, 對學歷不高的主管, 公開質疑, 以為膽正命平, 為公義發聲, 結果咪又係焦頭爛額收場, 每代人都唔多唔少要受下教訓, 先至容易成長.

作者: ricrick 時間: 2012-9-18 14:50

我最曾d擦鞋仔/女，面皮超厚，肉麻當有趣，野又吾做，將人地的工勞當自己，但又深得無能老細歡心

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2012-9-18 16:10

你呢番話對住屋企人朋友講還好，你喺返公司對住其他同事講就係我形容果啲講是講非嘅八公八婆。

我覺得首先，擦鞋係好主觀嘅一個形容辭。你接受果個人，你會欣賞佢做事圓滑，實事求是，係公司裏面嘅潤滑劑。你唔妥佢就會覺得佢喺度拍馬屁，馬後炮，唔務實，得把口唔做嘢。

對我嚟講擦鞋係好多工作必需嘅能力之一，你美言幾句做到生意何樂而不爲？

作者: ricrick 時間: 2012-9-18 18:32

講緊係吾識做野得把口果D

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2012-9-18 21:25

Um....

A. Young people don't have enough experience, nothing to do with whether they are born after 1990.

B. I can probably find similarly useless individuals born across any era. Using a sample, however big or small, to brand an entire generation of people sounds extremely bias.

C. There are always a lot of people of a certain generation that despises the generation coming after them. They are younger, have more opportunities, hopes, and dreams. They tend to on average have more schooling, more knowledge for their age, and take a lot of things the older generation worked hard to get/understand/achieve for granted. That's called Progress, and should be celebrated. I am sure many would remember, when they are younger (or even now), how the 70ers/60ers have despised the 80ers, for how they take a lot of luxuries for granted. Same with the 40ers and 50ers despising the younger gen for never having been living through war times.

D. Yes, ever since the baby boomers, every generation have left a huge tax burden to the next generation. Society is indeed getting more and more in-debt for the younger generation. In that sense, yes, society does owe it to the younger generation. The social mobility that was seen in the 60s is no longer seen today. Our parents who used to be able to achieve success comparatively easily in the time of boom, this will probably not be the same for the younger generation. Hopefully there's more than just a pile of capitalistic ash left behind for our next generation.

Yes, I'm a 80+ like you.... with lots of 90+ envy too. But I won't express my enviness in the form of stereotype. Shall our next generation live better than our's, and society progress towards the better forever.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2012-9-19 09:30

回復 8# BiscottiGelato

Here's my opinion regarding your points...

A. I think the difference I can see is that the older generation is more willing to listen to advice/order, doesn't matter the individual is experience or not...whereas the newer generation...is more likely to challenge.

B. Same with the terms Hong Girls...also a biased term. But it does exist in perhaps a large number of girls. Yes I can argue that the girls I know none has this characteristics, but enough number to justify the existence of this type. Whether there are lots of "irresponsible" young people in the workforce as claimed by Big C Sis, this is the point of discussion. I guess you are just lucky to NOT experience these situations in your workplace. Also, perhaps there are differences between the younger generation here and in Hong Kong.

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2012-9-19 09:43

Um....

A. Young people don't have enough experience, nothing to do with whether they are born after ...
BiscottiGelato 發表於 2012-9-18 21:25

當然我唔排除有好多９０後好叻好上進，但係呢個sterotype唔係冇根據，每一代人都有獨特嘅特質。好似講＂港女＂，係咪所有香港女仔都係咁嘅behavior，當然唔係，但係確之然有好大批呢啲港女存在令身邊嘅人有同感呀嘛。老實講，好多女仔呢幾年都會自我檢討，＂我有冇港女特質呢？＂

同樣，９０後唔係能力上有問題，係觀念同態度上有問題。佢哋可以好醒目，但係唔成熟囉。我又唔覺得所有stereotype都係冇根據，冇意義，以偏概全。當然我唔鼓勵人歧視９０後啦，我只係想分享經驗，睇吓點對應呢一代人啫。

再講，我諗你捉錯用神。你可能好envy９０後啦，我就一啲都唔羨慕，我想早出世幾年添呀。８０年代咁好玩，想經歷多啲都嚟唔切。同埋我唔覺得９０後比前幾代多咗＂hopes and dreams＂我覺得係相反。我反而同情呢代啲香港小朋友從小就補習補課學嘢囉證書。都冇童年，冇去做細路應該做嘅嘢，都唔知自己想做乜，有咩夢想可言？

我覺得呢代最冇夢想，個個都俾啲大人教到好實際－＂搵唔到錢嘅夢想就係妄想！＂

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2012-9-19 09:43

Doesn't matter ９０後 or 80 後 or even 70後 ... could be raised up by bun bun wor...

Anyway .. new to me .. the big C sister now, is 80後 ..

作者: fibbi 時間: 2012-9-19 09:56

Anyway .. new to me .. the big C sister now, is 80後 ..

Catpiano 發表於 2012-9-19 09:43

聽故唔好駁故啦。。。

and...70後邊有賓賓呀？

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2012-9-19 13:31

Doesn't matter ９０後 or 80 後 or even 70後 ... could be raised up by bun bun wor...

Anyway .. new ...
Catpiano 發表於 2012-9-19 09:43

７０後好少係小賓賓湊大，８０後開始就多啦。但係我呢輩都多兄弟姉妹，就算老豆老母唔喺度都要聽阿哥家姐話，屋企點都多啲長輩。９０後太多獨子，造成今日咁多毒仔毒女。

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2012-9-19 20:24

Oops..... I see the other way around....... LoL

But anyway...keep on the story....I am sure lots of lyk love those creative stories....

作者: jiujiujiu 時間: 2012-9-19 20:38

回復 12# fibbi

70後都有賓賓架! 我都係70後, 我小學三四年級個陣屋企就請左賓賓啦~

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2012-9-20 09:03

回復 fibbi

70後都有賓賓架! 我都係70後, 我小學三四年級個陣屋企就請左賓賓啦~ ...
jiujiujiu 發表於 2012-9-19 20:38

咦，你露咗餡噃。３－４年級都係７０年代即係話你至少四長嘢......

我都知７０年代前都有工人，但係唔普遍囉，唔係８０年代後咁住屋邨都請小賓賓咁誇張。

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2012-9-20 09:20

回復 16# 大C姐

70後...後, could be

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2012-9-20 09:27

咦，你露咗餡噃。３－４年級都係７０年代即係話你至少四長嘢......

我都知７０年代前都有工人，但 ...
大C姐發表於 2012-9-20 09:03 AM

70後有工人 is different from ７０年代有工人.
３－４年級 of a 70後, would be at least early 80s 有工人

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2012-9-20 09:50

Doesn't matter la... lots of old cakes here ..

I am one of them .. 70後 .. and always 70後 ..

Won't be 70後 .. in one post .. 60後 in one .. 80後in one ..

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2012-9-20 10:04

70後有工人 is different from ７０年代有工人.
３－４年級 of a 70後, would be at least early 80s 有 ...
布小熊發表於 2012-9-20 09:27

以你嘅logic係冇錯嘅，咁４０後／５０後都有小賓賓，不過都係８０年代先請之嘛。

作者: jiujiujiu 時間: 2012-9-20 10:16

回復 16# 大C姐

哈哈哈哈哈哈！
雖然我係70後，仲要係前半段，但托賴，都仲未咁快變4字頭！lol

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2012-9-20 14:44

回復大C姐

哈哈哈哈哈哈！
雖然我係70後，仲要係前半段，但托賴，都仲未咁快變4字頭！lol ...
jiujiujiu 發表於 2012-9-20 10:16

Tee...me too wor...haha

作者: jiujiujiu 時間: 2012-9-20 15:47

回復 22# Catpiano

哈哈哈哈… 我哋係咪傻㗎呢… 居然自爆年齡…

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2012-9-20 19:01

回復 Catpiano

哈哈哈哈… 我哋係咪傻㗎呢… 居然自爆年齡…
jiujiujiu 發表於 2012-9-21 07:47

我擔心遲D大家會傻到爆埋體重周三圍...

作者: jiujiujiu 時間: 2012-9-20 19:12

我擔心遲D大家會傻到爆埋體重周三圍...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2012-9-20 19:01

唔駛擔心, 一定唔會~ 我連自己都怕嚇親自己, 所以, 一定唔會~ 肯定!

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2012-9-20 19:36

Ok la...mjj is mid cake too....and father of two! So lovely!

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2012-9-20 19:46

Ok la...mjj is mid cake too....and father of two! So lovely!
Catpiano 發表於 2012-9-21 11:36

Yes, father of two la. Will you be a father of two? or already enough?

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2012-9-20 19:47

唔駛擔心, 一定唔會~ 我連自己都怕嚇親自己, 所以, 一定唔會~ 肯定! ...
jiujiujiu 發表於 2012-9-21 11:12

傻起上來好難講既.

作者: jiujiujiu 時間: 2012-9-20 20:02

傻起上來好難講既.
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2012-9-20 19:47

我癲咋, 唔係低架嘛.....

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2012-9-20 20:07

我癲咋, 唔係低架嘛.....
jiujiujiu 發表於 2012-9-21 12:02

間唔中低低地都幾過癮的.

作者: jiujiujiu 時間: 2012-9-20 21:07

間唔中低低地都幾過癮的.
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2012-9-20 20:07

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