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作者: Look4chrisng    時間: 2012-11-1 09:21     標題: 年輕港人對政經情況失望萌去意

本帖最後由 Look4chrisng 於 2012-11-1 09:22 編輯

http://www.mingpaovan.com/htm/News/20121101/vaa3.htm?m=0


Young CBC move to HK looking for work.  HK Kids are wanting to move here to work.

圍城.
作者: Look4chrisng    時間: 2012-11-1 09:23

「城外的人想衝進來，城裡的人想逃出來。」
作者: fibbi    時間: 2012-11-1 10:13

有人辭官歸故里，有人漏夜趕科場。
作者: 布小熊    時間: 2012-11-1 10:39

I know a handful of friends in their early thirties planning to move back here for good.
作者: Ovaltine    時間: 2012-11-1 10:42

城外的人想衝進來，城裡的人想逃出來

what movie quote is this from?
作者: Look4chrisng    時間: 2012-11-1 11:06

回復 5# Ovaltine


    圍城
作者: 布小熊    時間: 2012-11-1 11:08

回復  Ovaltine


    圍城
Look4chrisng 發表於 2012-11-1 11:06 AM


It's a book.
作者: Look4chrisng    時間: 2012-11-1 11:10

回復 4# 布小熊


    If I have regular intelligent kids, I would move to Vancouver too.  The rat race is good for some very smart kids, but it's not for everyone.
作者: 布小熊    時間: 2012-11-1 11:23

回復  布小熊


    If I have regular intelligent kids, I would move to Vancouver too.  The rat race ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2012-11-1 11:10 AM

None of them have kid yet. But they do plan to have kids soon. So I think they don't want their children to grow up there.
作者: KittyLeung74    時間: 2012-11-1 13:04

回復 8# Look4chrisng

HK is the place for the "smart" kids only.  If your kids are not so smart, it is very hard for them to survive there.  You have to keep "smart" all the time, if not, you will be kicked out right away.

Vancouver seems to be more "laid back" than HK, we could survive comparatively.
作者: sheep    時間: 2012-11-1 13:33

始終嗰句
適者生存
作者: 大C姐    時間: 2012-11-1 13:48

我諗唔洗去到２０４６年已經有另一個移民潮。

老老實實呢十年真係令好多人對＂５０年不變＂動搖。我自己都覺得越嚟越唔知香港想點？我覺得好冇方向，你話個經濟好差咩？又唔係，國際大品牌用天價租你啲地舗，啲樓呢三五年已經一個double，證明香港仲值錢，仲有熱錢湧入香港經濟。

但係普遍人民生活反而差咗，負面情緒又多咗，直頭唔想再賺大陸人錢。

我唔知有幾多香港人有其它國籍啦，但係身邊唔少人想移民去其它地方。就算搬上大陸都好似好過留喺香港，至少心理上你上去賺人仔，如果俾你賺到個心理平衡啲。
作者: Catpiano    時間: 2012-11-1 16:47

「城外的人想衝進來，城裡的人想逃出來。」
Look4chrisng 發表於 2012-11-1 09:23



    Bingo!

it is a misleading title from HK news ..

Always .. some people want to move from HK to Canada .. to Japan .. to india .. whatever ..  

Some people want to move from Canada to great china .. (Peter) .. so...
作者: Catpiano    時間: 2012-11-1 16:48

５０年不變??

Don't play la.. since when ..  and .. who .. trusts that??  peter?
作者: 大C姐    時間: 2012-11-1 21:07

５０年不變??

Don't play la.. since when ..  and .. who .. trusts that??  peter?
Catpiano 發表於 2012-11-1 16:48


所有９７年後回流嘅港人都曾經信過。
   
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2012-11-1 22:21

所有９７年後回流嘅港人都曾經信過。
大C姐 發表於 2012-11-2 13:07

他們相信的, 只是香港仍然有機會搵錢吧~
作者: 少爺占    時間: 2012-11-2 01:44

赴加打工增5倍 盼作跳板申移民
http://news.mingpao.com/20121102/gga1.htm

You know why HK real eatate and rent just keep going up? It has nothing to do with the economy. It is the HKD depreciates too fast against the RMB. People need a place to hedge their money. Bank gives 0.01% interest. The only place is houses. The poor keeps falling more and more behind and feel hopeless. So they decide to come to Vancouver where you earn HKD$80 per hour just by washing dishes, Black market Iphone 5 is cheaper here, Safeway and The Bay always hire you until 60 years old, CAD$3.5 餐蛋麵 in food court, $2.99 8GB USB at NCIX when its on sale, etc.... haha.
作者: Ovaltine    時間: 2012-11-2 02:19

Both cities Vancouver and Hong Kong are selling the real estate dream provided by the Lee Ka Shing's Concord Pacific. Certainly these real estate moguls lack more ethics than a typical drug dealer. But why does so many in the population fall for that trap?
作者: Ovaltine    時間: 2012-11-2 02:25

It's a book.
布小熊 發表於 2012-11-1 11:08



    have u read this book? how is it? very interesting book from the review i read from wiki.
作者: Ovaltine    時間: 2012-11-2 02:31

回復  Look4chrisng

HK is the place for the "smart" kids only.  If your kids are not so smart, it i ...
KittyLeung74 發表於 2012-11-1 13:04


Define smart, is the relentlessness to chase wealth and recognition from society considered smart?  Because of Hong Kong's free market economy, the population seem to use money as the official religion. This economic freedom is undermined by the political sanctions that infringes the rights of the citizens, so the citizens are obligated to use wealth accumulation as a measure of success. If you want to raise kids to become opportunistic, Hong Kong is the place to be.
作者: chobit    時間: 2012-11-2 07:54

本帖最後由 chobit 於 2012-11-2 07:57 編輯

I would say not just smart, but you do require the will to work extra long hours, good people skills, and the good money making business is relatively isolated.

There are far too many extremely low pay job in HK which will never get you anywhere.  You do the same here in Vancouver, you can still retire comfortably.

回復  Look4chrisng

HK is the place for the "smart" kids only.  If your kids are not so smart, it i ...
KittyLeung74 發表於 2012-11-1 13:04
作者: 布小熊    時間: 2012-11-2 08:36

have u read this book? how is it? very interesting book from the review i read from wiki.
Ovaltine 發表於 2012-11-2 02:25 AM


it was my favorite book back in high school. I haven't read it for years. I would like to read it again.
作者: librazhy    時間: 2012-11-2 09:25

Safeway and The Bay always hire you until 60 years old少爺占 發表於 2012-11-2 01:44


How much do they pay an average person?

ths
作者: Nam    時間: 2012-11-2 10:22

係加拿大，做個唐人餐館侍應，日做夜做，慳啲，都可以買到樓，香港真係無咩可能！

唉，曾幾何時我都好想返香港闖，但係眼見香港變成咁，真係連返去玩都唔太想，返去真係純粹探親友而已
作者: Look4chrisng    時間: 2012-11-2 10:58

The way it is going in Hong Kong.  Large scale riots are in the cards.  Just hope the unemployment situation and housing bubble wouldn't pop.  If either one happens, it will be very messy.
作者: 大C姐    時間: 2012-11-2 11:20

他們相信的, 只是香港仍然有機會搵錢吧~
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2012-11-1 22:21



    成日都話香港賺錢多啲，先唔好講賺唔賺到，就算賺到啲錢都係賺俾地產商唔係落到袋。

一間幾十尺嘅劏房都成＄３－＄４千一個月，點住呀？

我覺得呢幾年掩乾唔少中下階層嘅儲蓄，就算好似SARS咁再大冧市，都冇cash上車啦！
作者: yuusaku    時間: 2012-11-2 12:37

Agree.  When I worked in HK...my chopped-room costed me $3k hkd, while i made about $10k ish at that moment as a fresh grad.....if i lived at a regular 1 bedroom suite...that would have costed me $7k+

一間幾十尺嘅劏房都成＄３－＄４千一個月，點住呀？
大C姐 發表於 2012-11-2 11:20
作者: librazhy    時間: 2012-11-2 18:13

Agree.  When I worked in HK...my chopped-room costed me $3k hkd, while i made about $10k ish at that ...
yuusaku 發表於 2012-11-2 12:37



Recently or longtime ago? Curious when was this?
作者: Ovaltine    時間: 2012-11-3 00:08

回復 25# Look4chrisng


    Are the HK youth man enough to manufacture molotov cocktails and aim at the police? I think not. All they do is protest walk around on the street like its picnic.
作者: peter236    時間: 2012-11-3 01:54

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2012-11-3 01:58 編輯
他們相信的, 只是香港仍然有機會搵錢吧~
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2012-11-1 22:21


Hong Kong's unemployment rate and taxation rate remain lower than that of Canada and the US. It looks like Hong Kong will be one of few places that will remain solvent in the coming few years, as HK government has no net debt.

Just look at Greece, Spain, Japan and the US. They are facing rising national debt. Sooner or later they will go bankrupt, therefore their governments will have to make big cuts in their spending, which will degrade their welfare, health care and education programs etc.
作者: simon    時間: 2012-11-3 09:35

I'm on a university exchange at Hong Kong right now. I think life is much better in Vancouver (unless you are super rich).

Everything here requires "connections" and often not based on merit (ie. someone totally clueless or lack any skills get the job over people who knows their stuff)
作者: 大C姐    時間: 2012-11-3 15:05

Hong Kong's unemployment rate and taxation rate remain lower than that of Canada and the US. It lo ...
peter236 發表於 2012-11-3 01:54



    但係好多人在職貧窮呢。
作者: yuusaku    時間: 2012-11-3 16:11

quite awhile ago, it was 04
i believe inflation should have push the rent higher ...not sure does salary matches up or not

Recently or longtime ago? Curious when was this?
librazhy 發表於 2012-11-2 18:13
作者: satil    時間: 2012-11-3 16:27

本帖最後由 satil 於 2012-11-3 16:31 編輯

回想卅年前, 香港的生活真係好好多, 生活水平真係冇今時今日咁慘.

我移民了廿五年, 移民前, 我只在香港做了六年工, 可以在第四年就夠首期喺愉景灣買到個500幾呎高層單位.
仲可以結婚, 兩份人工幾咁好使. 可以供樓, 每晚出街點食點玩都得, 毫無顧慮. 哈哈, 冇得買車, 省回供車.
估唔到, 卅年後, 香港樓價、消費就番咗幾番, 但份人工就慘過我當年. 現在慶幸當年走得快

香港已被big6移民佔據, 再睇吓班左仔政棍, 現時的香港青年一代, 又點可以有安定生活吖.
香港冇希望了, 生活環境只會更差, 有志向, 有機會的話都應離開. 就好比一間無前途的公司, 你好應諗轉工.

天大地大, 好多地方可以發揮, 冇需要一定留在香港.
作者: 大C姐    時間: 2012-11-4 14:28

回想卅年前, 香港的生活真係好好多, 生活水平真係冇今時今日咁慘.

我移民了廿五年, 移民前, 我只在香港做 ...
satil 發表於 2012-11-3 16:27



同卅幾年前比就冇得比。好難講，嗰時嘅生活質素同依家嘅水平好唔同。齋講日常開資，卅幾年前冇電腦冇手機（有都唔係一人一部），電視係免費，又冇cable又唔洗買高清。咁呢啲生活＂必須品＂依家都真係起碼洗你一千幾百HKD一個月。所以儲前更加難。
作者: randommike    時間: 2012-11-4 20:22

My cousin is thinking of coming back too. HK is nice if you are rich (then again, most places are nice if you are rich).

I was in HK quite often in 08/09 and people just aren't happy. Watching the HK news now and then, the situation has not improved.
作者: yuusaku    時間: 2012-11-4 21:12

此處不留人，自有留人處, no need to stay either in HK or Canada.
作者: Ovaltine    時間: 2012-11-5 05:01

The difference between Vancouver and Hong Kong is the sense of community. Throughout my volunteer experiences I feel the community is more accommodating to the individual in Vancouver, benefits for both the community and self. But in Hong Kong, you either don't do free work without money or they expect you to donate your soul when providing volunteering labour.

For example, if you are a youth protestor in HK and is not Long Hair, you are considered naive and sometimes innocent. Elders would laugh at you, but in Western society people seem to be more tolerant of a dissident's opinion. This is the sense of community I refer to.  Society in HK have huge expectation of the individual, fame and wealth is deified by the tabloid media.
作者: 大C姐    時間: 2012-11-6 10:40

此處不留人，自有留人處, no need to stay either in HK or Canada.
yuusaku 發表於 2012-11-4 21:12



    講就容易，你住屋邨搵一萬幾千仲要養老人家你可以搬去邊？你搬去台灣都要錢，你搬上大陸攞個戶籍都唔係容易。
作者: yuusaku    時間: 2012-11-6 10:52

true, i think the responsibility of caring the elderly could hold back the youngster to move on

it could be a good and bad...good: 有孝心,負家庭責任, bad: could delay plans for advancing (not only career, could including getting married, etc...)..世上無難事，只怕有心人

講就容易，你住屋邨搵一萬幾千仲要養老人家你可以搬去邊？你搬去台灣都要錢，你搬上大陸攞個戶籍都 ...
大C姐 發表於 2012-11-6 10:40
作者: 大C姐    時間: 2012-11-6 14:24

true, i think the responsibility of caring the elderly could hold back the youngster to move on

it  ...
yuusaku 發表於 2012-11-6 10:52



    咁俾著你，唔喺香港或加拿大住，你今時今日會（亦可以）搬去邊？
作者: yuusaku    時間: 2012-11-6 15:44

based on my family situation, I would choose vancouver.

if family is not an issue, for my skill set (programming), I think north america in general(can/us) would work for me...probably some part of europe or asia.

i only have working experience in china/hk/canada...can't conclude what is the most ideal place to live...everyone would evaluate differently

咁俾著你，唔喺香港或加拿大住，你今時今日會（亦可以）搬去邊？
大C姐 發表於 2012-11-6 14:24
作者: 大C姐    時間: 2012-11-6 16:25

based on my family situation, I would choose vancouver.

if family is not an issue, for my skill set ...
yuusaku 發表於 2012-11-6 15:44



    ９唔搭８，問你唔喺香港同加拿大住之外會住邊，都講唔到另一個城市，仲話＂此處不留人，自有留人處, no need to stay either in HK or Canada＂

冇嘢啦拜拜。
作者: Ovaltine    時間: 2012-11-6 18:35

If you want to have a relaxed life, live in Latin America. Great emerging countries there, lazy workforce, I am sure the hard-working Chinese can triumph there, they also hold high regards for Chinese people too, not like in Canada where the Anglo treat us with animosity.
作者: KittyLeung74    時間: 2012-11-7 10:19

９唔搭８，問你唔喺香港同加拿大住之外會住邊，都講唔到另一個城市，仲話＂此處不留人，自有留人處, ...
大C姐 發表於 2012-11-6 16:25


謝謝大C姐,好到point!

去US,話咁易呀? 無綠卡,去做黑市工,仲惨

去Europe,依家啲經濟咁,本土人失業情況幾利害,睇下"國際新聞"啦

去Asia,邊度? 日本, no way, 佢自身難保! 其他, Korea, Thailand, Vietnam...., 先學好language先去
作者: 大C姐    時間: 2012-11-7 10:44

謝謝大C姐,好到point!

去US,話咁易呀? 無綠卡,去做黑市工,仲惨

去Europe,依家啲經濟咁,本土人失業情 ...
KittyLeung74 發表於 2012-11-7 10:19


我依家睇返自己寫啲嘢好似好mean，但係其實我心想講嘅語氣係半講笑，不過文字係好難傳達微表情。如果有弱小心靈俱樂部受傷害，我講句唔好意思。


但係你講都啱㗎，今時今日去得邊？美國啲失業率咁高你想同人争飯碗都唔係咁易，冇Cdn passport搞美國簽證都煩啦，何況攪移民？！韓國好富強啦，但係人哋民族意識咁強你要入主流都幾難。

同埋啲港人成日以爲自己肯上大陸就可以賺到人仔，技能高人一等，我可以話你知，十幾二十年前上去做開荒牛就或者有啲機會。依家北上嘅人，你冇番十八般武藝你休想同内地人競爭！我覺得今日可以北上賺錢嘅人都係某程度上香港嘅尖子，如果你喺香港撈唔掂諗住上大陸會易啲就大錯特錯！
作者: yuusaku    時間: 2012-11-7 10:52

本帖最後由 yuusaku 於 2012-11-7 10:53 編輯

feel free to browse monster/jobsdb/linkedin/recruit agent for industry specific job market in asia/europe/us
將視野綑綁嘅係自己，而唔係人地

馬死就要落地行, if my skill set no longer in demand, i'll have to work in something in order to make a living
作者: 大C姐    時間: 2012-11-7 11:30

feel free to browse monster/jobsdb/linkedin/recruit agent for industry specific job market in asia/e ...
yuusaku 發表於 2012-11-7 10:52



    當然你要走難的話邊度都可以去，但係好唔好得過HK同Canada就係問題囉。

我亦唔係話你冇條件去搵工作，只係想知你有冇一兩個城市覺得工作同居住方面都幾適合，或者我哋可以借鏡呢？
作者: yuusaku    時間: 2012-11-7 13:04

以下嘅只不過係一D分享，未必能夠借鏡.

let's say USA, i have a caucasian friend who works in the same field,  married a chinese wife.  he got  job offer for working in austin, texas.  he is making almost double what he made in vancouver, but his wife doesn't like the ethnicity distribution in that area, eventually they want to move to west, like LA, or back to vancouver.  i was tempted to apply for the salary increase as he was looking to expand his team, as i'm bounded to vancouver.   the company is willing to pay for the airfare + accommodation for interviews, and apply h1b(or whatever visa it is…) eventually a green card.

for spain……….my coworker, who is originally from the uk, studied in sfu got her mba,  got laid off by the company, she was in the marketing team.  she couldn't find job in vancouver.  then she moved to spain to try out because she travelled there before and liked it…surprisingly, she has been getting free lance job one after another, she doesn't speak spanish….maybe she has an edge of what she does comparing to the local…since spain unemployment rate has been raising since 07

myself, couldn't find job after graduated, it was after the tech bubble.  all company in vancouver required 2 years plus working experience.  i moved to hk, spent a few months looking for job..fruitless.   then went to dongguan, worked as a merchandiser, which i had no experience, not paid, but accommodation provided…at least that was a starting point, then later i got a job in tech related position, the salary was same as local, not most people would think a foreigner should be getting…it's okay…   then i was able to get job in hk..eventually back here.

back to your question: 只係想知你有冇一兩個城市覺得工作同居住方面都幾適合
for job availability/cost of living/etc..., internet is a great resource, for suitability, you won't know until you are actually there.
my coworkers in china were very friendly, they were all from different part of china, they are more passionate than i anticipated.  but i didn't feel the city is safe, as i've witnessed robbery, fighting and etc… if i were to try a place that i've never been to before, i would consider emerging countries, just to explore what is out there, at least they seem to have opening that matches my skill set

for those who have worked in places other than hk/canada, feel free to comment
作者: john_smith999    時間: 2012-11-8 10:01

我個人覺得---搵到$$咪留囉...搵唔到$$咪走囉...最實際
作者: fibbi    時間: 2012-11-8 10:09

想當年，我都有interview喺Seattle嘅公司。其實都係抱住一試無妨嘅心態。如果真係請，其實都要考慮。喺呢邊住唔係一個支出，喺嗰邊就要。而且，無咁多中餐，想煲啲湯水都唔得，諗起都好似幾慘。不過最後我都唔洗做呢個決定（因為in唔成），都係留返喺本地工作。反而最開心嘅係我媽，始終佢都會擔心一個女仔喺啲陌生環境生活會唔會攪唔掂。
作者: 大C姐    時間: 2012-11-9 11:10

想當年，我都有interview喺Seattle嘅公司。其實都係抱住一試無妨嘅心態。如果真係請，其實都要考慮。喺呢邊 ...
fibbi 發表於 2012-11-8 10:09



    好奇怪，啲香港阿爸阿媽細細個send啲仔女去英國留學就好放心，但係你出身之後去個Seattle做嘢就好似好擔心冇湯水飲。我覺得好得意囉。
作者: Look4chrisng    時間: 2012-11-9 11:24

回復 52# 大C姐


    Because the kids come back to HK every Christmas and Summer, you order them to come home at will.  

Kids gone for work usually stay away for good, minus occasional visits if you are lucky.
作者: Look4chrisng    時間: 2012-11-9 11:25

回復 51# fibbi


    Fibbi, are you in IT as well?
作者: fibbi    時間: 2012-11-9 11:30

回復 52# 大C姐


    depends ...my mom wouldn't 放心 to send me to boarding school at young (young I mean junior high) age. Come to think of it, I don't think it's good for the child too.
作者: 大C姐    時間: 2012-11-9 11:36

回復  大C姐


    depends ...my mom wouldn't 放心 to send me to boarding school at young (young I m ...
fibbi 發表於 2012-11-9 11:30



    我覺得好噃，獨立啲嘛，依家啲o靚仔都唔願搬出去。我識一個３０幾歳嘅男仔，喺呢度終日冇所事事，唔返工冇收入但係大隻騾騾，仲係同緊阿媽住。我真係覺得好差，點可以做寄生蟲㗎！
作者: reyes    時間: 2012-11-9 14:34

回復  大C姐


    Because the kids come back to HK every Christmas and Summer, you order them to co ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2012-11-9 11:24

that's absolutely correct. My uncle's son has gone to Toronto for good and rarely come back to Van. His mom always complain about this to my mom
作者: Catpiano    時間: 2012-11-9 14:40

好奇怪，啲香港阿爸阿媽細細個send啲仔女去英國留學就好放心，但係你出身之後去個Seattle做嘢就好似 ...
大C姐 發表於 2012-11-9 11:10



   Send kids to 英國留學 or US or Canada .. yes .. but 好放心??  I dont recall any friends I know back then .. their parents were 好放心 ...  you will understand once you become parent.
作者: 大C姐    時間: 2012-11-9 14:59

Send kids to 英國留學 or US or Canada .. yes .. but 好放心??  I dont recall any friends I know ...
Catpiano 發表於 2012-11-9 14:40



    幾唔放心都係家長嘅決定，唔通個８歳細路會叫啲家長俾佢留學咩！

反而大個咗啲仔女想去外面闖啲家長就有微言（雖然呢個唔係我屋企嘅概念，我哋屋企最怕門口狗）。
作者: fibbi    時間: 2012-11-9 16:20

回復 56# 大C姐


    guys and girls are different...as a parents...i would be more 放心 for son to live alone than girls...

also...US doesn't seem to be as safe (compare to VAn)...everyone is allowed to have gun legally...
作者: fibbi    時間: 2012-11-9 16:53

回復 54# Look4chrisng


    yeah



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