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作者: ecwkwok 時間: 2014-12-2 18:16 標題: 你簽咗未？

請廣傳。

We ask UNHRC to Launch an Enquiry into HK Police & Govt Human Rights Abuses

作者: fibbi 時間: 2014-12-3 02:23

Well....China won't change...Other countries 睇＄份上都唔會做得啲咩。
求人不如求己，試吓有二百萬黃絲帶人上街示威，上面會唔會做啲嘢？怪就怪十幾年嚟溝咗咁多新香港人，左派又組織得好。無架喇，香港優勢又逐漸被蠶食，阿爺仲洗理我哋咩，疊埋心水做廣東嘅一個城市算把啦。

作者: ecwkwok 時間: 2014-12-3 06:42

“A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality.”

― John Lennon

作者: fibbi 時間: 2014-12-3 10:47

個重點係"together" , 但係你睇吓身邊幾多藍絲帶人就知啦。

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2014-12-3 14:42

本帖最後由 Littleprince 於 2014-12-3 14:44 編輯

你地甘諗我晤怪你地，因為可能你地身邊無親戚朋友係警察，沒有見過別的國家的警察，同埋吳識得如何設身處地為別人想。。。我只不過會諗，若連續兩個多月無得放假周圍嘈之巴閉，出親去就被人小，阿頭又要你控制住晤可以用暴力又不能夠回罵，隨時被市民投訴，我晤知呢度D人會點，可能你地 EQ 比較高，會笑笑口晤計較一齊罵特首，或者煮個面沖埋咖啡比D暴民，只係我，我可能會斬人囉，就是這樣。。。

作者: chunsh 時間: 2014-12-3 15:08

hahahhaha, this is the funniest (yet most stupid) thing I've ever heard
police in other countries beaten the hell out of the protesters and reports much more serious than in hk.
Come on, don't be a pussy
you go on riot, prepare to get hurt or get arrested, OK?

作者: chunsh 時間: 2014-12-3 15:11

你估啲警察俾班示威者打得小呀？個啲所謂紙牌盾牌加左料架!!!

作者: fibbi 時間: 2014-12-3 18:02

回復 5# Littleprince

警察都係照order做嘢，都好身不由己。當然唔排除有啲天生揼人狂。

歸根究底，唔係啲學生有幾暴力，唔係啲警察有幾變態。而係個政府乜X都唔做等你班人仔自傷殘殺，唔理市民嘅訴求。你話佔中啲學生攪到鋪頭無生意要執？點解唔話咁多鋪頭被迫摺埋因為貴租，點解成條彌敦道有六十間金舖無哂文具舖？係政府啲政策嘅問題呀，又唔見啲人去小？點解幾百億儲備要用嚟起高鐵快得幾多咁巴閉，唔好用嚟救濟吓啲市民？根本就係無得反對，話乜就乜，任人魚肉。

所以先咁多人想公平咁選特首，起碼做得唔好都有個希望選個好啲，而家？算把啦！

作者: ecwkwok 時間: 2014-12-3 21:09

藍絲帶？係咪講呢D？

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Post by I am a Hongkonger, 我係香港人！

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我同幾個籃絲帶傾過計，佢哋愛香港愛到就算自己住汕尾果頭，都要同幾十個同鄉坐幾個鐘頭車落來打實班黃絲帶。。。咁辛苦先至得幾百蚊兜車同一餐飯咋。

作者: ecwkwok 時間: 2014-12-3 21:32

警察？係咪講呢D？聽講辛苦到叫雞都無時間，要捉D女示威者返警局強姦。

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Post by D100 一呼百應還聲於民.

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作者: chunsh 時間: 2014-12-4 10:46

警察？係咪講呢D？聽講辛苦到叫雞都無時間，要捉D女示威者返警局強姦。

...
ecwkwok 發表於 2014-12-3 21:32

證據?

作者: samsung 時間: 2014-12-4 14:58

回復 10# ecwkwok

ecwkwok, from what you referred to, very apparently you have been brain-washed by those poison media including poison apple, D100, I am Hongkongers, etc., try to open your eyes on other medias.

You will look very silly if you only read these poisonous media, dude!

作者: samsung 時間: 2014-12-4 15:01

證據?
chunsh 發表於 2014-12-4 10:46

give me 5, chunsh!

作者: samsung 時間: 2014-12-4 15:08

I don't how much you guys know about poisonous media, they are very famous now in HK. All they do is anti-China, they always create lies and rumours, their only purpose is to beat China up. Look at Apple Daily, they can turn everything upside down, if you rely on these news, you will become an extremely bias person and become anti-China.

My opinion is, if you ARE a Chinese but HATE China that much, you will be unable to face yourself and you will live a sad life, why should we fall into a trap like this? And why we Chinese have to beat each other as other countries has been hoping so? Are we more stupid than all other nations? Definitely not! So please stop reading poisonous media and start to look around, poison media was supported by US & UK, all they want is to stop China from growing, their way is to make Chinese fight each other so they can still lead the world, do you understand?

If you could ever read and watch more, you'll understand how bias they are! They are no different from Fa Lun Kung, support by NED, which is a CIA owned anti-China agency, they use democracy to cover themselves but the whole purpose is to beaten up China, guys!!!

作者: chunsh 時間: 2014-12-4 15:44

give me 5, chunsh!
samsung 發表於 2014-12-4 15:01

作者: samsung 時間: 2014-12-4 15:46

本帖最後由 samsung 於 2014-12-4 15:51 編輯

回復 Littleprince

警察都係照order做嘢，都好身不由己。當然唔排除有啲天生揼人狂。

歸根究底， ...
fibbi 發表於 2014-12-3 18:02

I partially agreed with you, but it isn't about whether or not Leung 特首 has the ability, it might be his plan, look at a bigger picture, and think outside of the box! He is a smart person, at least not as stupid as the 2 competitors he has before. A wise person would not be easily revealed by general public, if you can look through him, he is not as smart as he should be!

The part I agreed with you is the 1st 2 sentences, I do not support riots nor policemen. They both are bad, or you can say they both are ignorance, as riots were fooled by those parties while policemen is only doing their job. So both shouldn't be attacked or blamed.

Also, if everybody can nominate anybody, a risk is, we can elect someone even more incomponent, and what shall we do afterward? Re-elect? It would be what Japan is like, everyone has been spending time and money to elect all the time, and the country will have chaos all the time, because no one can gain everyone's support.

For example, if Lee Cheuk Yan become 特首, some might support him but some want to kill him. And then someone nominate long hair to replace him, again someone like him and someone hate him. It would become a never-ending fighting in Hong Kong.

Do you want to see this?

And this is what US government want to see... all the cities in China are on fire, right now we have Taiwan, Hong Kong, Sang Keung, Sai Jong, what else? They want to make all cities on fire so China would be very busy to put away the fire so US will still be the big big brother of the whole world!

Don't be silly, Hong Konger!!!

作者: chunsh 時間: 2014-12-4 15:49

活生生的例子 about 毒蘋果
毒蘋果 version (starting from 2:00)
http://hk.apple.nextmedia.com/news/art/20141017/18902910

Completed version
[youtube]audeUp77nsE[/youtube]

作者: ecwkwok 時間: 2014-12-4 17:01

How many of the responded LYK are currently in Hong Kong?

If you are currently in Hong Kong, have you ever been to the occupied area, witnessed the incidents?

作者: chunsh 時間: 2014-12-4 17:07

How many of the responded LYK are currently in Hong Kong?

If you are currently in Hong Kong, have ...
ecwkwok 發表於 2014-12-4 17:01

And are you saying that if we were not in hk and in those protesting areas, we have no right to criticize the students?

作者: fibbi 時間: 2014-12-4 17:17

回復 18# ecwkwok

Sadly, I have friends around my age living in HK but yet on the blue side. I can't believe that too. That's why I'm getting more and more pessimistic.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2014-12-4 17:29

回復 14# samsung

Btw, turning facts upside down is what communist party likes to do. lol

Why do people "hate" China? Certainly we LOVE China but not necessary love the communist party or the policy. That's the point.

If you think Apple Daily is biased, same to 文匯報

And why would you think if everyone has the right to be nominated then "long hair" will get elected? I mean, if the majority LIKES long hair that means the MAJORITY likes his political idea. Then why can't we respect the majority of Hong Kong people choice? And seriously do you think Long Hair has a chance to be elected ? I don't think so , looking at so many blue camp people in Hong KOng. And why can't we just TRUST Hong Kong people to make their own choice?

作者: chunsh 時間: 2014-12-4 17:34

回復 ecwkwok

Sadly, I have friends around my age living in HK but yet on the blue side. I ca ...
fibbi 發表於 2014-12-4 17:17

So hk people cannot be in the blue side?
In your point of view, people in hk stick with blue side are so dumb that their opinions should be ignored?

作者: chunsh 時間: 2014-12-4 17:37

回復 samsung

Btw, turning facts upside down is what communist party likes to do. lol

Why d ...
fibbi 發表於 2014-12-4 17:29

From the beginning, I think everybody already known that 文匯報 is seriously bias, no doubt. Too bad the "poisonous apple" always pretends that they are fair and telling the truth...
the sad truth is, the level of bias between 文匯報 and poisonous apple (and MAYBE Ming Pao) are the same....

Watch the videos I posted if you have courage to how does the poisonous apple "Edit" the news

作者: ecwkwok 時間: 2014-12-4 18:46

回復 19# chunsh

以上有LYK講到我一定被洗腦。
我想講：我現在喺香港。工作關係，經常經過佔領區。無可避免地，經常見到D籃絲帶同黑警嘅所為。
本人有親人現任職警隊，亦清楚香港每張報紙定位。

作者: fibbi 時間: 2014-12-4 23:46

回復 22# chunsh

道不同不相為謀，係可惜。

作者: chunsh 時間: 2014-12-5 00:34

回復 chunsh

以上有LYK講到我一定被洗腦。
我想講：我現在喺香港。工作關係，經常經過佔領區。無可避免 ...
ecwkwok 發表於 2014-12-4 18:46

不同意見者就是被洗腦，五毛，多麼開放，民主的思想哦！

我不在香港，但能證明黃絲中有暴徒的youtube片比比皆是，我大部份relatives/friends都在HK, 他們都投訴香港主流media太偏頗。選擇性報導。他們都是純正香港人喔

但可惜有部份人卻已中蘋果毒太深...可惜

by the way, you said that police being beaten by a crowd did said that he would capture a girl and rape her in police station right? Do you have ANY 證據? ...or just HEARD from media?

even if he said that, I believe there are lots of people heard it, seen it and maybe recorded it (phone camera are all focus on anywhere has cops). they can put that online and file a formal complain and not assaulting a cop. Without Law and Order, democracy cannot exist.

作者: chunsh 時間: 2014-12-5 00:35

回復 chunsh

道不同不相為謀，係可惜。
fibbi 發表於 2014-12-4 23:46

No problem.
And seriously, people can have their own attitudes and believes.
Thanks for not 惡言雙向，把我打為被洗腦者
You have my respect

作者: ecwkwok 時間: 2014-12-5 01:38

回復 26# chunsh

我只係講，我唔係好似12樓SAMSUNG先生所講，比洗蘋果洗腦。香港每張報紙企邊面，我諗我應該幾清楚。我已經講，好多事係親眼見，親身經歷，同蘋果明報報導無關。

作者: fibbi 時間: 2014-12-5 11:59

回復 28# ecwkwok

Yeah you see...there are many people to be on the left side, even young people...so yeah there's hope but at the same time I'm getting more and more hopeless now for fighting democracy.

作者: satil 時間: 2014-12-5 13:02

我都想問吓，點解咁多人話＂比蘋果洗腦＂，乜香港只有蘋果報？共產黨唔係最叻宣傳及洗腦嗎？佢地唔係已滲透控制香港各大傳媒嗎？

現時香港報章：收費
大公報──親中、親建制派
公教報──天主教報章
星島日報──親中、親建制派
成報──親中、親建制派
文匯報──親中、親建制派
香港商報──親中、親建制派
明報──中間偏右、親泛民報章（近年已自我審查）
新報──親中、親建制派
東方日報──親中、親建制派
信報財經新聞－中間偏右、親泛民報章（近年已自我審查）
香港經濟日報－大致中立或中間偏右
蘋果日報－親泛民報章
太陽報──親中、親建制派

免費：

英文虎報──親中、親建制派

大紀元時報──法輪功報章，反共、偏親泛民報章

都市日報──中立

頭條日報──親中、親建制派

am730──中立

晴報──親中、親建制派

熱血時報──親本土派報章

好報──親中、親建制派

人民報──法輪功報章，偏親泛民報章

點睇都唔明，一份蘋果能夠把全香港其他報章比下去，咁多親中報章都未能抗？！肥佬黎有冇咁勁？

作者: fibbi 時間: 2014-12-5 14:22

回復 30# satil

I don't get it too. Why people keep saying "poison apple" but at the same time so many "poison left wing" out there yet no one bother mention?

All I can say is CP is doing great job.

作者: chunsh 時間: 2014-12-5 15:27

回復 satil

I don't get it too. Why people keep saying "poison apple" but at the same time so ...
fibbi 發表於 2014-12-5 14:22

Here is the reason why. as I have said, please read carefully, Most hk people know about which media are 親中and they know how to filter the messages delivered by those media. You can call them like filthy 大公報，Liar 文匯報, etc, which are ok too; however, most people (the young one) nowaday treat the poison apple as their BIBLE 仿佛它就是道路,真理,生命. If you would spare about few minutes to watch the video I posted with comparing how did the Apple report it, you know what I am saying

作者: chunsh 時間: 2014-12-5 15:31

回復 ecwkwok

Yeah you see...there are many people to be on the left side, even young people. ...
fibbi 發表於 2014-12-5 11:59

Please, not support this 佔中 does NOT mean they are going to left side. You have a logic fault here. Many friends of mine in HK do have the same view as mine.

I support hk to have democracy and people should do some gigantic level protest to tell the gov that they shouldnt totally ignore our voice, but not like right now, people keep provoking and physically attacking police since the first day of the event (I have videos to prove, but I don't think you would like to watch and accept the truth)

作者: fibbi 時間: 2014-12-5 16:06

Not support 佔中 not necessary on left side I agree. But many of my friends who does not support 佔中 and ARE on the left side.

I don't believe everything Apply Daily said too (so as other news). There are 斷章取義 in both sides of the camps. And you think the blue camp has no manipulation???

I'd like to read Apple's 副刊 article more because they make way more sense to me.

But don't you agree that this yellow umbrella movement starts off peacefully for the request for fair election (which is part of democracy)? Right now everything becomes a chaos because of the "black cop", and triads mixed in (both sides).

作者: chunsh 時間: 2014-12-5 17:25

But don't you agree that this yellow umbrella movement starts off peacefully for the request for fair election (which is part of democracy)? Right now everything becomes a chaos because of the "black cop", and triads mixed in (both sides).

Beginning of the event? Those videos were recorded on like Sep 27 or Sep 28, none has shown in any media, not even CCTVB. I won't say much, watch yourself.
[youtube]m9QmlKskLx8[/youtube]

Can you tell what were those protesters doing with those 鐵馬? remember, stealing/robbing 政府公物 is already breaking the law

[youtube]dfUTqQmF_vU[/youtube]

Watch from beginning, but pay extra attention starting from 1:50 (see who was leading the charge to the 警方防線)

Imagine if you are the gov and maybe the police commander, what would you do in such a situation if tear gas is not an option

作者: satil 時間: 2014-12-5 18:28

回復 32# chunsh

由第一天到今天，我相信我已看過所有VIDEO及圖片，我不單睇蘋果，仲睇明報，東方，星鳥，大公，文匯...，十多個新聞網站，post得上youtube都睇晒，加上兩個在佔領區新線老友的私人訊息。

唔好以為他人只看一個半個video或一篇半篇報導喇，你post的我仲睇過好多唔到方度的版本。我啲退休人仕，時間多又無聊，請你明白，我所睇所讀應比你多。

報紙唔係得文匯大公與蘋果，唔睇文匯大公，點解佢地唔睇東方，星鳥，明報呢？佢地咁叻分得出邊份報紙不可信，但又同時分唔到蘋果中的不可信，係乜邏輯呢㗎？咁蘋果都呃得好高招。

其實，這次佔領，日眼人都分到其中不同組別人仕（如學生，黃毓民／洋達，熱血，警方加插搞事者，中央加插的藍絲帶）。吓吓就話佔領唔啱，入晒學生數。就話個行動點唔啱。

始作俑者係cy政府，龜縮，政治問題，用警棍解決。始作俑者，中央莫視基本治，向普選落閘。警察點解變咗政府打手？乜打可以解決民心問題？

作者: satil 時間: 2014-12-5 19:07

唔記得利申㖭．
我有個三十幾年老友，幫辦，守旺角，日日whatsapp佢的親身體驗。
我個細佬都係警察，睇金鐘，都日日whatsapp傾佢啲經歷，佢都有份打人。

作者: B2L2 時間: 2014-12-5 21:47

請廣傳。
ecwkwok 發表於 2014-12-2 18:16

I signed the petition. I don't expect the petition to do much, but that shouldn't be the reason for you to sign or not to sign.

p.s. I used lots of time to read all the media sources that I could access. People could call me biased, then yes, I'm biased in your personal measurement.

作者: chunsh 時間: 2014-12-5 22:42

警方加插搞事者

證據?

作者: chunsh 時間: 2014-12-5 22:51

還未有人答我
那9月28日的兩段片，究竟有幾和平？
他們要衝擊／搶鐵馬的話，各位和平大使，如果不能用國際標準的方法（亦即參照外國警察的處理示威的方法），警察應該怎樣處理？

作者: B2L2 時間: 2014-12-5 23:23

和平大使?  Who?

If you care to hear my personal answer.  I say police force using pepper spray to the front line people who attempt to 衝擊 police was more than enough.  Using tear gas to the crowd was way over.

What standard you're talking about?  And could you find me an anti-riot international standard  (or you want to quote what happened in US)?  And more important what determined the whole group of protester were involved in riot.  Only the front line protester who didn't behavior in the police eyes?  Or everyone?

The petition is not focus on this one event and it is just requesting for an investigation.

作者: satil 時間: 2014-12-6 00:24

回復 39# chunsh

你提醒我，＂個啲所謂紙牌盾牌加左料架!!!＂，證據？

有差佬混入示威人群，是一向的做法，需要時搞亂拉人，係我細佬講，每次示威都有．
又或者，可以睇吓，https://www.facebook.com/D100HK. ... 57/618602758251982/

http://www.post852.com/%E4%BD%94 ... %E5%88%97%E6%98%8E/

作者: chunsh 時間: 2014-12-6 00:47

本帖最後由 chunsh 於 2014-12-6 01:02 編輯

回復 chunsh

你提醒我，＂個啲所謂紙牌盾牌加左料架!!!＂，證據？

有差佬混入示威人群，是一向的做法， ...
satil 發表於 2014-12-6 00:24

[youtube]ZkArnelAKSU[/youtube]
有片有真相 (startng from 1:20) if you say those are not harmful and looked soft, I have nothing to sayAlso, I have heard police gave at least 3 warnings to the crowd to leave those protesting gadget. In ANY country including USA, the police will use force to beat the hell to the protesters in order to 驅趕人群 if the crowd didnt listen to them....

Ironically, some those asked help from USA, that made my day hahhaha

So u didnt watch any youtube video that are not on the yellow ribbon side.....

作者: fibbi 時間: 2014-12-6 01:05

真係唔知當日邊個落order去噴pepper spray，如果唔係今日未必會咁嘅局面。

作者: chunsh 時間: 2014-12-6 01:11

和平大使? Who?

If you care to hear my personal answer. I say police force using pepper spray to t ...
B2L2 發表於 2014-12-5 23:23

did u watch the previous 2 videos I posted (assuming you have gut to watch and learn about the truth) about how did the crowd charge and assault the police?

About international standard, it was those students who asked for the international standard which, I dont believe there is one, I believe what they mean is, use the same way as the police in those democratic countries are using.....
hahahha, the police in those countries use much more force than hk police
[youtube]zRM0YOFVEWs[/youtube]
有膽accept the sad truth around the world, 自己睇

作者: chunsh 時間: 2014-12-6 01:12

本帖最後由 chunsh 於 2014-12-6 01:30 編輯

真係唔知當日邊個落order去噴pepper spray，如果唔係今日未必會咁嘅局面。
fibbi 發表於 2014-12-6 01:05

Again, if not pepper spray, what should the police use?
Pillow?
Too bad, you didnt watch the video.....

作者: chunsh 時間: 2014-12-6 01:29

和平大使? Who?

If you care to hear my personal answer. I say police force using pepper spray to t ...
B2L2 發表於 2014-12-5 23:23

[youtube]gisNixIsJZk[/youtube]

if you are asking how many protesters are involved in misbehave, and if you also watch the video starting from 0:50, I can tell you I don't know how many.....and imagine you are one of the cops there.....
...and image what would the police in other countries if the same situation happen in their countries?

Simple fact:
Police gave warning to the crowd to 散開, in any country, then the crowd should 散開. If people make the police to make the crowd 散開, force would be use for sure, pepper spray, rod, tear gas, 水炮，橡膠子彈. Which one do you prefer?

You have a better suggestion to the police? simply let the crowd do what they want?

作者: chunsh 時間: 2014-12-6 01:43

『鳩嗚』後有普選??[youtube]w0ZRc8UA6i0[/youtube]

知唔知mud野叫做欺凌?
[youtube]6XtP00idtDs[/youtube]

作者: ecwkwok 時間: 2014-12-6 02:09

本帖最後由 ecwkwok 於 2014-12-6 02:17 編輯

http://youtu.be/b-wyRRxiQOc

ADMIN想BAN我就隨便，但專用警棍來打女性胸部呢D咁嘅警犬除咗仆街陷家剷之外，我諗唔到用咩可以形容。叫佢做警犬就褒獎咗佢，侮辱咗天下狗隻。

作者: chunsh 時間: 2014-12-6 02:17

專用警棍來打女性胸部

You sounds like this happen many times? 用警棍來打女性胸部?
or just this occasion?

maybe he did it in purpose and maybe just accident. I have to admit there are some bad cops (which countries doesnt have bad cop by the way?). Then people should dig out that cop's background and file a complain. the girl should come out and report to police and more importantly, report to the media.

Didn't you guys know many of the cops got 起底? their wife, kids, friends information being exposed online. So u guys think that is appropriate?

Anyways, I think I have made my point clear, and with bunch of completed evidences. But People are free to choose what they believe.

作者: chunsh 時間: 2014-12-6 02:24

叫佢做警犬就褒獎咗佢，侮辱咗天下狗隻。

咁"鳩嗚"倒亂人地鋪頭嗰班呢？

作者: ecwkwok 時間: 2014-12-6 02:54

本帖最後由 ecwkwok 於 2014-12-6 03:07 編輯

咁"鳩嗚"倒亂人地鋪頭嗰班呢？
chunsh 發表於 2014-12-6 02:24

如果你認為阻人做生意比執法人員故意攻擊女性胸部嘅罪行嚴重嘅話，我無野講。你認為鳩烏唔啱嘅，你咪開個帖少佢LOR，但咁係改變唔都香港警隊裡面係有無視法紀嘅仆街呢件事實㗎。

講起鳩烏，你咪睇吓究竟係示威者衝出馬路，定係比黑警拉出馬路？

[youtube]5SEJb3CASU4[/youtube]

作者: ecwkwok 時間: 2014-12-6 06:34

最近認識一個名詞「犬儒者」：

「他們生活在一個足以自我說服的環境之中，然後充耳不閒，卻自認知道事情的真相。政府的不公不義，他們看不見、議會的變態失衡，他們不清楚、警察濫權失去理性，他們視之為正常。這個城市經歷了這麼多事，也不足以引發他們思考問題所在，只是見到表面的報導便站在「繁榮安定」的高山上大聲責罵，卻不理解這是假象，空洞而無力。他們去接受，擁抱這現實，卻在不知不覺間對這現實妥協，低頭。」

以上轉載自「城市漫步者」。

作者: chunsh 時間: 2014-12-6 12:16

如果你認為阻人做生意比執法人員故意攻擊女性胸部嘅罪行嚴重嘅話，我無野講。你認為鳩烏唔啱嘅，你咪開個 ...
ecwkwok 發表於 2014-12-6 02:54

I didnt say 阻人做生意比執法人員故意攻擊女性胸部嘅罪行嚴重, dont put words in my mouth. I said both cases should be treated seriously. That is not simply
阻人做生意, but also some sort of harassment to the people who work on that shop.

你咪試吓對vancouver police or RCMP做同樣既野，睇吓香港警打得你傷o的定係呢度o的警察打／電得你傷o的
First, that black jacket guy was 挑釁警察 and try to creating 群眾情緒
second, watch this video from MingPao (starting from like 3:00), there is second viewing angle (recorded by one person in the crowd). The green t-shirt guy DID rush to the police and rush to the road and try to prevent his friend being arrested. Again, doing this in North America will cause you being beaten or tased

http://news.mingpao.com/ins/%E3%80%90%E5%90%88%E4%BD%B5%E5%BD%B1%E7%89%87-%E9%80%A3%E7%92%B0%E5%9C%96%E3%80%91%E6%97%BA%E8%A7%92%E7%94%B7%E9%80%94%E4%BA%BA%EF%BC%9A%E3%80%8C%E8%A1%8C%E7%B7%8A%E5%95%A6%EF%BC%81%E4%B8%8D%E8%A6%81%E6%8E%A8%E5%95%A6%EF%BC%81%E3%80%8D%20%E6%B6%89%E8%A5%B2%E8%AD%A6%E5%BE%9E%E8%A1%8C%E4%BA%BA%E8%B7%AF%E8%A2%AB%E6%89%AF%E5%87%BA%E6%8B%98%E6%8D%95/web_tc/article/20141206/s00001/1417877545389

作者: chunsh 時間: 2014-12-6 12:19

最近認識一個名詞「犬儒者」：

「他們生活在一個足以自我說服的環境之中，然後充耳不閒，卻自認知道事情的 ...
ecwkwok 發表於 2014-12-6 06:34

That, still a choice of those people, just like people chose to believe different religions, and in society that is matured to embraced democracy, opinions and choices from different people should be respected, as long as not breaking the law, no matter how stupid are those people in your point of view.

If people don't learn how to respect different opinions, they are not suitable for democracy

作者: satil 時間: 2014-12-6 16:04

本帖最後由 satil 於 2014-12-6 16:06 編輯

實在無乜所謂，不同人的基本價值觀，就採用不同的所謂證據來支持。

啱㗎，連沒有實質驗證的宗教，UP吓都有人死心塌地去信，還有甚麼事，沒有兩極的取向？！

近日都同好多人拗過。

結果都係＂私利＂與＂公利＂價值觀的分別，又或者係對一些似是而非的定義誤解，如＂法治＂＂暴徒＂。
都好，可以看清一些人。

作者: ecwkwok 時間: 2014-12-6 18:49

同意「可以看清一些人」。

退一步來講，其實世事無所謂真正「對」與「錯」，只有唔同時間唔同觀點嘅成功與失敗。今日你成功捍衛你面前幾塊磚頭，明日你嘅子子孫孫世世代代見到香港警犬都要低下頭，誠惶誠恐咁遠遠避開。就好似日治時期，喺香港見到黃軍咁。

當然，參與呢個討論嘅 LYK 大部分都係已經移民並身在加拿大，隔岸觀火。將來無論香港變成點，可能都係只係茶餘飯後閑話一宗。
ANYWAY，一陣就落灣仔參與反警暴遊行(12月7日下午2時）。不為甚麼，就只為將來百年歸老果一刻，少一件遺憾嘅事。

當然你若身在香港，亦都可以為同一個理由，戴條藍絲帶落來揼實我。

作者: B2L2 時間: 2014-12-6 19:39

U don't have to question whether I watched the clips that you posted. I watched them the day it happened and watched many versions of the same scene. Why don't u show the version that cleanly filmed who was on the stage ordering the other to charge forward?

U obviously have a different opinion and standard on this matter. I respect that.

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