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作者: Ovaltine 時間: 2007-12-5 04:33 標題: Hong Kong People, where have our culture gone?

Catopop is gone, disintegrated. The Cinema of Hong Kong is lost, with exception to Johnny To. The mass media of Hong Kong have become National Enquirer. What happened to the culture of Hong Kong? Was it ever here? Or are we just a bunch of copy cats? When Hong Kong was the British colony, thousands flocks to come see the glory of the east meeting west. What have all that turned to now? It sucks when I talk to my Honger friends, there is nothing about Hong Kong I could really talk about. I have to turn to Black Media. I think as Hong Kong people, we lost most of our identity through the handover of China. In our next generation, most likely we would be assimilated to the Chinese culture with out any distintive traits to be known.

People often ask me where I come from, and I tell them Hong Kong. They try to correct me and say "It's China now" I get offended by this, but what can I do?

作者: StirShitStick 時間: 2007-12-5 04:59

i concur!
i would tell them i came from hk before it became china.
i would also emphasize that i had a BNO, have a british passport and have citizenship.
i would tell them i read/write only in traditional chinese and speak honger cantonese.
and then, i would tell them i dont squat while taking a ****, i dont spit every where, i dont dress like my wardrobe was from the early 90's, i dont believe in communism, i dont sympathize with china, and i dont speak mandarin because i cant but it's because i dont want to, add your own, etc

作者: Traum 時間: 2007-12-5 05:28

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作者: notgoddy 時間: 2007-12-5 10:09

Hong Kong culture was "mixed-culture" now it's just dominated by Modern China's culture. It's inevitable.

Canada is sort "mixed-culture" too, and there is a super dominate culture yet.

作者: celeron_266 時間: 2007-12-5 11:13

lets just say...we are getting old...

作者: cola14 時間: 2007-12-5 12:08

interesting topic...
I am actually taking cultural psychology in school now. and we were talkin about individualistic versus collectivistic culture. Consider China is like the prototype of collectivistic culture and western countries are mainly individualistic, HK is actually a mix of both, where east meet west. I don't think we will lost this identity.
As a "Honger", I am proud to be Chinese but I am also proud that when I was born, HK was British owned. I think every country has its good side and its bad side lor. And China is big. Level of civilization, values, habits, standards, everything can be so different even within a province. I guess we can't just generalize.

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2007-12-5 12:22

香港不嬲無乜所謂 CULTURE﹐不過 80年代的歌曲同電影的確有過一下子的火花﹐卻並不能成氣候或所謂文化。

同意力哥所言﹐中國是我們的祖國﹐不應覺得回歸有何羞恥﹐而香港人轉數快﹐或說比其他地區的人醒目﹐是環境造成﹐若干年後﹐也許全中國人的也一樣。。。如果中國自強﹐我們也得光榮﹐而且回歸是既定事實﹐懷勉過去光彩﹐自怨自哎都於事無補﹐不如 MOVE ON。

我的朋友也是一樣﹐說我從 HK 來﹐他們會說﹐即是中國啦﹐我就會說﹐係呀﹐即係中國囉﹐而家無分別啦﹐呵呵。。。

作者: Ovaltine 時間: 2007-12-5 12:39

原帖由 cola14 於 2007-12-5 12:08 發表
interesting topic...
I am actually taking cultural psychology in school now. and we were talkin about individualistic versus collectivistic culture. Consider China is like the prototype of collectivi ...

Really? I am really interested in topics of Humanities. Unfortunately, I still haven't finished highschool, partly due to my slow adaptability to Western cultures. Well my laziness and the abuse of freedom, I adapted quite well.

I recently been thinking about collectivistic culture vs individualistic, I think HK is leaning towards the collectivistic side despite colonial influences. Pop music and mass media is a great example. Face it Hongers have no individuality, just look at the BAPE wears and the same hairstyles...

As of China, there is no culture at all after the cultural revolution. Most of the culture is borrowed from HK, Japan and Taiwan. They will need time to build back the glory of Chinese arts, and it wouldn't happen in our generation.

作者: Ovaltine 時間: 2007-12-5 12:44

原帖由 Littleprince 於 2007-12-5 12:22 發表
香港不嬲無乜所謂 CULTURE﹐不過 80年代的歌曲同電影的確有過一下子的火花﹐卻並不能成氣候或所謂文化。

同意力哥所言﹐中國是我們的祖國﹐不應覺得回歸有何羞恥﹐而香港人轉數快﹐或說比其他地區的人醒目﹐是環境造成﹐若干年後﹐也 ...

I don't think the Handover is a shame at all, but I don't feel like I can connect with the Hong Kong culture today, or any Communist China influence, because I didn't grow up in that environment. Not that British government was great, but the Hong Kong people at that time are admired like gods in Greek mythology during that time. It's a shame that our ship is going down as China reaches it's golden age.

作者: jake123 時間: 2007-12-5 14:48

im young, so i don't know a lot of stuffs, but wt was so special about hk other than the ego revolving around "we are democratic/westernized" (which the rest of china has been experiencing and will be becoming)?

作者: Coleslaw 時間: 2007-12-5 14:50

I love studying culture and finding ways to represent it through art.
For my 4 years studying fine art at University, I have been trying to pinpoint HK culture, but it is so difficult. On my last year I finally come to realize HK culture is born of copycats.

POP culture and TV shows we borrow and copy from others like TW and Japan. Everywhere is full of pirated stuff. We barely invent any original products, usually another country invents something popular and there will be 一窩鋒 local manufacturers making their own version of it.

This doesn't mean hk has no culture, just its culture is a copycat culture.

作者: cola14 時間: 2007-12-5 14:59

原帖由 Ovaltine 於 2007-12-5 12:39 發表

Really? I am really interested in topics of Humanities. Unfortunately, I still haven't finished highschool, partly due to my slow adaptability to Western cultures. Well my laziness and the abuse of ...

I think maybe we have different definitions about "culture". I guess the culture that I am referring to include many things like values, emotions, motivations, morals, etc. Of course pop culture, media and fashion is a part of it but i don't think that is all of it.
And actually, I think that HK is leaning more and more towards individualistic culture just as it seems to be the trend in the world. For example, look at the increasing divorce rate. Not saying which is right and which is wrong but people are valuing less about social/group harmony and more concern about personal efficacy

[ 本帖最後由 cola14 於 2007-12-5 15:05 編輯 ]

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2007-12-5 15:06

I think what you see now in HK is HK's culture already.
10 years ago, people thought HK is not the same as HK 20 years ago.
20 years ago, people thought HK is not the same as HK 30 years ago.
30 years ago, people thought HK is not the same as HK 40 years ago.
40 years ago, people thought HK is not the same as HK 50 years ago.
50 years ago, people thought HK is not the same as HK 60 years ago.

為何還在看海，不看開？

作者: Guy 時間: 2007-12-5 16:38

I think the culture of Hong Kong is simply " Proud of being unique about themselves while trying to behave like someone else "... if you know what i mean...[my Eng sucks]

SO they have gathered a lot of cultures from others but not generating their own. That's why we found it's hard to pin point a general HK culture.

作者: Traum 時間: 2007-12-5 16:59

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作者: Ultraman 時間: 2007-12-5 18:49

Can't deny HK is part of China now, that's the fact. But there is nothing wrong to present "I came from HK", cuz it's just like "I came from Shanghai", would people challenge you "Shanghai? That's China la!" To say HK or Shanghai or whatever just want to be more specific, next time you can simply challenge them back: "China, it's so big wor, which part of city ar?"

作者: celeron_266 時間: 2007-12-5 19:17

原帖由 siumaibb 於 2007-12-5 15:06 發表
I think what you see now in HK is HK's culture already.
10 years ago, people thought HK is not the same as HK 20 years ago.
20 years ago, people thought HK is not the same as HK 30 years ago.
30 years ...

EXACTLY!!

作者: notgoddy 時間: 2007-12-5 20:25

原帖由 Coleslaw 於 2007-12-5 14:50 發表
I love studying culture and finding ways to represent it through art.
For my 4 years studying fine art at University, I have been trying to pinpoint HK culture, but it is so difficult. On my last year ...

There are times when they improved the median.

作者: news 時間: 2007-12-9 12:03

hk culture is 'wow i heard this popular, let's do the same thing!'

but for society is as a whole..i think it's always been quick thinking and hard working

作者: peterbear 時間: 2007-12-9 18:48

There was a place called Hong Kong. It was there before 1997. It was long gone.

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2007-12-9 19:04

HK does not have its own culture now, they are a mixture of what's influence the people. From the Japanese, Korean, Taiwanese, HK culture goes what people likes.

We do have a culture, but that was backed in the 70s and 80s, where we were influenced by the western.

Philip

作者: maldini 時間: 2007-12-11 13:35

We in Canada are heavily influenced by American culture. People tend to think we have unique culture here, but that's just not true.

作者: Traum 時間: 2007-12-11 16:17

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作者: peter236 時間: 2007-12-11 17:33

While Hong Kong is influenced by mixture of western culture and Japan culture, Hong Kong still is a Chinese place where Chinese culture is dominant. We should stop watching too much Korean TV series. HK is no longer under British colonial rule and we are getting our identity back.

[ 本帖最後由 peter236 於 2007-12-11 17:39 編輯 ]

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2007-12-11 18:28

原帖由 maldini 於 2007-12-11 01:35 PM 發表
We in Canada are heavily influenced by American culture. People tend to think we have unique culture here, but that's just not true.

I do think that we are unique here. I used to work with Americans and they do have a very different POV than Canadians. They are for sure more patriotic and some of them... do see America as the centre of the world.

作者: 阿邊個邊個 時間: 2007-12-12 01:26

HK has a culture? since when?

all i know is they they walk fast, they talk fast, they replace their cell phones more than once in a given year and they are heavily brainwashed by brand names products

is that culture? i wonder.....

作者: SmellyTofu 時間: 2007-12-14 01:59

I think the culture in HK has gone worse and worse.... the "me" mentality. All about me and nothing about the benefit of the whole community. As much as Chinese with historical roots in Confucism is all but dead. Maybe in the early 80's it was good but now... all about No. 1 (i.e. myself). But the thing is, if you don't look after no. 1, then you'll just sink deeper and deeper because the economy of HK is still pretty crap and a lot of underlying problems. I love HK. It's my hometown but it really needs a big fix to change things around to how it once was. Maybe we've all been spoil coz we're living the "Western" life.

作者: maldini 時間: 2007-12-14 04:09

原帖由 阿邊個邊個 於 2007-12-12 01:26 發表
HK has a culture? since when?

all i know is they they walk fast, they talk fast, they replace their cell phones more than once in a given year and they are heavily brainwashed by brand names products ...

But your description also fits the Japanese, Koreans and Taiwanese in general. Are you saying they don't have culture?

作者: lightbulb 時間: 2007-12-14 14:20

I guess to me, "copycat" quite suits the description.. People have tried to promote the products made by HK like 電影 and stuff, but I guess that kind of failed coz hk people just tend to follow the trend, which most of the time got introduced by other places..

Sometimes it's quite frustrating that it's not really 一國兩制 like how they've promised coz they still the final say about some political issues.. I think it's more frustrating when other people just generalize all the chinese people to have the same attitude, same habbits (like spitting everywhere) after HK returned back to China.. So if people say.. "Oh HK is just China", maybe you would think those people have in mind that you act just like those stereotypical China people who spit everywhere and all those other bad portraits that one might have..

作者: Ovaltine 時間: 2009-7-30 21:30

I was playing in Coq Casino, in the poker room. Three chinese guys, the rest are persian or white people. We had a little discussion of our identity. This old guy, winning lost of money, said he from HK. The Persians asked curiously about the difference between Chinese and Hong Kong. Another Cantonese, clearly a working class losing poker player said there was no difference. He said "We are all Chinese, Han, I don't see the difference." From that point on, I realize, the Hong Kong culture is part of a Chinese diaspora. We were a culture maybe 10 years ago, but for sure 10-20 years, this culture will be gone. We are like those rich Cubans in Miami, assimilated into the Capitalist American culture, but they still Cuban now. Dream on my friends, at least we were once elite.

作者: ACooperFan 時間: 2009-7-30 22:03

a bit off topic....isn't "港男港女" the current hk culture?

作者: Ovaltine 時間: 2011-9-15 13:24

Coming back to this topic after a couple years, things have probably changed a lot. I have learned some from Sociology also. All this "copycat" is called globalization. Eventually HK people will be assimilated into the PRC, our existence will be limited to our dialect like the minorities of Taishan, Hakka etcetc

作者: fishbelly 時間: 2011-9-16 07:29

所謂 "文化", 以我理解屬於居民的一步一腳印, 當中彷彿無理, 但實質上有有跡可尋. 舉例說 XX 省飲食 "文化" 是以辣為主, 當中看似理所當然, 但可能只因該省貧窮而需以辣掩蓋食材的不新鮮. 簡單地說, 所謂 "文化" 就是生活的匯聚智慧. 說穿了, 匯聚的智慧是以 "人" 跟 "歷史經驗" 為主幹.

回頭看香港的歷史, 香港人一直是夾縫中的人. 從買辦到轉口貿易, 從來都是左右逢迎於中英之間. 英國的統治更令香港人對 "身份" 都有錯亂的認知, 所以 "人" 這一元素已經模糊得很. 雖然具體上是中國人的軀殼, 但很多事情又很不中國.

再來就是 "歷史經驗" 的教訓. 一直以來香港賴以為生的是經濟成果, 無論是最初的進出口, 到麥理浩時代轉為工業, 到以後的金融業, 靠的都是見風使舵的本領, 褒則稱之為 "善於應變", 實際上其本質是發揮 "雙面人" 的狡猾.

試問狡猾但又對自身身份模糊的人, 有如何能夠擁有高尚的文化? 一個以數字衡量得失的國度, 又如何承受得起抽象的文化素養?

作者: Ovaltine 時間: 2011-9-16 07:42

Good read, fishbelly!

Here are definitions of culture that influenced me the most:

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作者: fishbelly 時間: 2011-9-16 08:45

回復 34# Ovaltine

雖然對人文題目有一定興趣, 但套用柏楊所講, 只屬 "土法煉鋼" 式治學.

看來你一定屬於書院派, 不妨多提供一些學者論說, 講話以供參考.

我會非常感激!!

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