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作者: ravemother 時間: 2008-11-23 17:23 標題: 失婚賣肉養女苦命鳳姐遭劫殺

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鳳巢林立的荃灣發生鳳姐被殺案。女房東昨晨到訪出租單位，揭發中年鳳姐倒斃地上。

警方發現女死者後腦受傷出血，頸部留下傷痕疑遭床單勒斃痕，身上出現屍斑，估計上周五晚遇害死去超過一日。現場一片凌亂，曾遭搜掠，懷疑女死者被殺前曾作出反抗。新界南總區重案組探員，撿走染血床單及錄影帶等證物，今日剖屍確定死因。

遇害鳳姐許彥香（ 43 歲），一年前租下新村街 36 號一幢三層高、有 44 年樓齡唐樓的三樓套房作鳳巢，每日傍晚開始營業至凌晨時分，收工後，她都住在單位內。警方事後由大廈帶走包括女房東在內的兩男兩女助查，並點算死者有否財物損失。

據知原籍上海的許婦身世坎坷，七年前由內地來港與丈夫及 10 歲女兒團聚，其後婚姻破裂離婚收場。許婦無力照顧下，安排女兒投靠親友，自己近年更淪落當娼賣肉為生，以皮肉錢撫養女兒。警方昨找到其現年 17 歲女兒，她得悉母親死訊後，哭得死去活來。

這是今年發生的第五宗謀殺鳳姐案，連串命案喚起社會關注俗稱一樓一鳳的性工作者安全問題。關注性工作者權益組織紫藤發言人嚴月蓮稱，該會外展同事兩周前，曾探訪兇案單位所在一名鳳姐，暫未確定死者是否同一人。

被殺鳳姐的屍體由仵工移送殮房，等候今日剖屍確定死因。

女死者伏屍的鳳樓，窗門透出陰紅色燈光，氣氛陰森詭秘。

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-11-23 23:49

so ravemother what do you think? you posted this so you should have something to say about it?

作者: ravemother 時間: 2008-11-24 02:08

such a sad story. poor woman trying to raise her daughter.

very important for women to find a dependable mr.right.

作者: soli 時間: 2008-11-24 07:20

妓寨合法化應該可以避免同類案件發生。

這位母親其實是被那些衛道之士害死的。

既然娼妓在某程度上是合法職業﹐政府就應立法和撥資源去保護性工作者人生安全。但因衛道之士既阻止(大部份是耶教)﹐政府遲遲未能作出行動﹐導致這種慘劇不斷發生。

當娼並不可恥﹐頂著道德這個大招牌殺人者最可恥。

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-11-24 08:44

naive argument...

ruin the next generation

you think legalizing this will eliminate murders?

作者: daimo 時間: 2008-11-24 08:46

SB, don't fall into his trolling attempt ...

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-11-24 09:04

daimo, thx for the heads up...I've debated with soli many times in the past...not gonna go into details again

anyway thought soli left this forum already, why come back?

[ 本帖最後由 shutterbug 於 2008-11-24 10:11 編輯 ]

作者: soli 時間: 2008-11-24 14:20

就如我們知道即使在家中裝上防盜設施﹐也不能杜絕小偷﹐難道就中門大開甚麼也不做嗎? 誰是naive﹐顯然易見。
至於ruin the next generation﹐這正是衛道人士一貫卑鄙無恥或無知的說法。不少歐洲先進國家﹐例如荷蘭﹑德國也將娼妓合法化﹐但沒人認為她們國家的後代會比香港的糟糕(我認為是相反)。所以ruin the next generation這籍口是完全站不住腳。其實不少衛道人士也心知肚明﹐這只是他們意圖將自己(耶教)之道德標準強加于他人﹐剝奪弱勢社群人權的籍口而已﹐真是其心可誅~

作者: chunsh 時間: 2008-11-24 14:33

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2008-11-24 09:44 發表

ruin the next generation

how?

and u know without them, how many rapists will appear in our society

作者: soli 時間: 2008-11-24 14:34

還有﹐我要投訴daimo上面post 對我所作出的人身攻擊﹐他臆測我留言動機。

作者: chunsh 時間: 2008-11-24 15:05

原帖由 soli 於 2008-11-24 15:34 發表
還有﹐我要投訴daimo上面post 對我所作出的人身攻擊﹐他臆測我留言動機。

yeah, based on yahoo knowledge

troll指專事在internet的留言板或討論區, 用挑撥性的字眼或攻擊性的言論針對某位發言者作情緒上的騷擾, 而非針對主題或其發言內容作評論的匿名者, 而這種行為則稱為trolling, 其動機既是以煽風點火(flaming) 為樂, 則必需要有人回應甚至群情激憤才會令其稱心愉快

I dont see how did soli want to start a fire by saying his opinions about 娼妓

who is the troll?

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2008-11-24 17:20

原帖由 chunsh 於 2008-11-25 06:33 發表
how?

and u know without them, how many rapists will appear in our society

any statistic provided?

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2008-11-24 17:26

小弟都覺得娼妓合法化係可以. 將住香港既娼妓搬哂o係一個小區入面(唔可以離開呢一個區域做生意), 而顧客就一定要去呢一個地方幫襯. o係呢個地區既出入口加裝CCTV, 記錄低出入既資料, 登記顧客既個人身份可以保障妓女既安全.

作者: chunsh 時間: 2008-11-24 17:28

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2008-11-24 18:20 發表

any statistic provided?

face the truth, men have lust, and their own hands can't always satisfy themselves. If no prostitute, where / how do they release their protein and lust. Don't tell me god can, as human lust are "by-design".

also, any statistic provided that the legalize (I dont know if there is such word) of prostitute will ruin our next generation?

作者: chunsh 時間: 2008-11-24 17:31

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2008-11-24 18:26 發表
小弟都覺得娼妓合法化係可以. 將住香港既娼妓搬哂o係一個小區入面(唔可以離開呢一個區域做生意), 而顧客就一定要去呢一個地方幫襯. o係呢個地區既出入口加裝CCTV, 記錄低出入既資料, 登記顧客既個人身份可以保障妓女 ...

agree with the first half, "將住香港既娼妓搬哂o係一個小區入面"
but totally not disagree with the later part
who would like to go there if your information will be recorded? no customers for the prostitutes mean no foods; and they turn out to go outside and operate their business in some other private places to attract more customers---> back to no change

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2008-11-24 18:42

我覺得為左保障妓女既安全, 絕對有需要記錄顧客資料!
其實除左記錄資料之外, 都應該要派人去定時拍一拍房門, 咁樣可以保證妓女既生命安全.

當然, 為左怕d 妓女冇得撈, 政府都應該考慮o係娼妓小區入面開一d 再陪瞓課程比d 妓女, 請專人教授唔同既床技, 令妓女既謀生本錢更高! 除左再陪瞓, 都要開再陪訓班(如家務助理課程)比一d 真係因為冇生意而有意從良既妓女, 令到佢地有生存空間.

如果佢地冇生意既出去其他地方, 我覺得就要捉佢地, 因為佢地犯左法, 因為娼妓合法化之後, 娼妓只能o係特定地方進行性交易.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2008-11-24 18:44

原帖由 chunsh 於 2008-11-25 09:28 發表
face the truth, men have lust, and their own hands can't always satisfy themselves. If no prostitute, where / how do they release their protein and lust. Don't tell me god can, as human lust are "by-design".

also, any statistic provided that the legalize (I dont know if there is such word) of prostitute will ruin our next generation?

I don't have statistic, so I never say that prostitute will ruin our next generation.
I just thought that you must have statistic to back you up when you said that. sorry to hear that you just relied on lust. hoho.

作者: chunsh 時間: 2008-11-24 18:46

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2008-11-24 19:42 發表
我覺得為左保障妓女既安全, 絕對有需要記錄顧客資料!
其實除左記錄資料之外, 都應該要派人去定時拍一拍房門, 咁樣可以保證妓女既生命安全.

當然, 為左怕d 妓女冇得撈, 政府都應該考慮o係娼妓小區入面開一d 再陪瞓課 ...

that just would not help the situation
your opinion about the is like some HKSAR top level of government people who are trying to help the some group of poor people but always set the polices to help the wrong way

作者: chunsh 時間: 2008-11-24 18:49

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2008-11-24 19:44 發表

I don't have statistic, so I never say that prostitute will ruin our next generation.
I just thought that you must have statistic to back you up when you said that. sorry to hear that you just relie ...

I didnt say I rely on lust, I just said that that the truth is, we are born with lust. and in order to prevent some people to put words into my mouth, I have clarify that we shouldnt control out lust. of course in order to live in human society, we have to control our lust so that we dont harm other people.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2008-11-24 19:16

原帖由 chunsh 於 2008-11-25 10:49 發表
I didnt say I rely on lust, I just said that that the truth is, we are born with lust. and in order to prevent some people to put words into my mouth, I have clarify that we shouldnt control out lust. of course in order to live in human society, we have to control our lust so that we dont harm other people.

chunsh, I strongly agree that we have to control our lust so that we don't harm other people~

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2008-11-24 19:20

呢d橋段拍戲d人就會話"有無再誇張d呀?有無咁慘呀?"

但係真人真事就永遠係最慘。呢個17女點過以後生活呀?咩住一個咁重既包服﹐其實心理都好唔平衡囉。

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2008-11-24 19:23

原帖由 chunsh 於 2008-11-25 10:46 發表

that just would not help the situation
your opinion about the is like some HKSAR top level of government people who are trying to help the some group of poor people but always set the polices to hel ...

為左保護妓女既人生安全, 呢一個係最好既辦法.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2008-11-24 19:26

原帖由 大C姐 於 2008-11-25 11:20 發表
呢d橋段拍戲d人就會話"有無再誇張d呀?有無咁慘呀?"

但係真人真事就永遠係最慘。呢個17女點過以後生活呀?咩住一個咁重既包服﹐其實心理都好唔平衡囉。 ...

希望佢可以度過呢一個難關啦.
佢應該可以向社會福利署求助的.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2008-11-24 19:58

娼妓自古以來都合法架啦
我地個個都係古人既后代
所以你又係ruined
我又係ruined
大家都係ruined
唔使再爭辯

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-11-24 20:32

話你兩個naive一Ｄ都冇錯

"這位母親其實是被那些衛道之士害死的" you can even make such a brainless comment...yeah call the police and catch all the 衛道之士 lor?  Got guts?

咁easy話legalize就可觧决問題? Sweden legalized it long long time ago but they went back to criminalizing it in 1999.  How do you deal with huge sex industry expansion, trafficking, child prostitutes, STD, etc...plus a bunch of implementation issues such as $, registration, monitoring taxation, etc...does it really offer protection to the prostitutes or does it protects the people who control this market?

Fast expansion of the sex industry of course will affect our next gen...got brains to think a bit further ahead?  When your daughters/girlfriends/wives/moms/etc all dump their jobs to become prostitute (because they think that it's "profession" just like any other job but makes way more $$$), will that be a problem?  It might not happen in the coming gen but the one after and after?  If you still don't see the problem, you're really "short-sighted".  There will be no families, no proper economy to sustain a "normal" life.

Don't always target the 衛道之士, that makes me sick.  Got guts to just discuss this on a more general political/economical basis?

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-11-24 20:37

原帖由 快樂牛郎 於 2008-11-24 20:58 發表
娼妓自古以來都合法架啦

何以見得呢?
通姦以前要浸豬ga wor

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2008-11-24 21:16

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2008/11/24 20:37 發表

何以見得呢?
通姦以前要浸豬ga wor

娼妓=通姦﹖

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-11-24 21:29

原帖由 快樂牛郎 於 2008-11-24 22:16 發表

娼妓=通姦﹖

of course not

so you're not referring to our recent history then I guess....I think I missed what you meant

[ 本帖最後由 shutterbug 於 2008-11-24 22:32 編輯 ]

作者: kabuki 時間: 2008-11-24 21:32

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2008-11-24 21:32 發表
話你兩個naive一Ｄ都冇錯

"這位母親其實是被那些衛道之士害死的" you can even make such a brainless comment...yeah call the police and catch all the 衛道之士 lor? Got guts?

咁easy話legalize就可觧决問題? ...

Let me use an example to demonstrate my point in response to part of your argument.

Well many ppl are under the impression that smoking is bad for your health.
smoking is legal.
do you see everybody around you starts smoking just because it's legal?

on the other hand,

many ppl are under the impression that drugs are bad for your health.
doing drugs is illegal.
do you see the people who use drugs stop/not using it just because it's illegal?

[ 本帖最後由 kabuki 於 2008-11-24 22:36 編輯 ]

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-11-24 21:40

"do you see everybody around you starts smoking just because it's legal?"
a while ago, people don't think smoking kills, they just think it's cool, so more people started smoking

"do you see the people who use drugs stop/not using it just because it's illegal?"
People who USE drugs of course won't care if it's legal or not, only for those who are starting to or going to would care if it's legal or not. Making it legal provides very easy access to this harmful substances, e.g. you can buy from 7-eleven in HK?

now do you see the difference?

[ 本帖最後由 shutterbug 於 2008-11-24 22:41 編輯 ]

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2008-11-24 21:41

原帖由 快樂牛郎 於 2008-11-25 11:58 發表
娼妓自古以來都合法架啦
我地個個都係古人既后代
所以你又係ruined
我又係ruined
大家都係ruined
唔使再爭辯

不如而家將大清律例拎番出黎啦, 人人都守大清律例好唔好?

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2008-11-24 21:44

原帖由 kabuki 於 2008-11-25 13:32 發表
many ppl are under the impression that drugs are bad for your health.
doing drugs is illegal.
do you see the people who use drugs stop/not using it just because it's illegal?

Make illegal is a method to increase the cost of ownership. (e.g. need to bear the risk of being arrested)
In economy, if the price of a product increases, the demand would decrease.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2008-11-24 22:49

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2008/11/24 21:41 發表

不如而家將大清律例拎番出黎啦, 人人都守大清律例好唔好?

咁你係咪大清後代先
而家講緊後代問題
唔係法律問題

作者: chunsh 時間: 2008-11-24 23:52

原帖由 kabuki 於 2008-11-24 22:32 發表

Let me use an example to demonstrate my point in response to part of your argument.

Well many ppl are under the impression that smoking is bad for your health.
smoking is legal.
do you see everybo ...

好野﹐有point
講真﹐佢地又唔係做的殺人放火既野﹐但又俾人當落水狗o甘打壓
如果唔係要偷偷摸摸甘去做﹐就唔使要出賣自己dignity之餘到頭來又死得不明不白啦
我覺得﹐香港人應該向個班道德塔利班說不

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-11-25 08:23

not only 殺人放火 has a negative effect on our society you know....think deeper!

作者: soli 時間: 2008-11-25 09:20

之前SB提出 “When your daughters/girlfriends/wives/moms/etc all dump their jobs..."﹐其實是多慮了。以娼妓的服務性質﹐絕不是令人嚮往的行業﹐幾千年來也是如此。而且﹐因為供求問題﹐性服務業也不會無限地擴張。
“not only 殺人放火 has a negative effect on our society you know....think deeper!”
在香港﹐一樓一鳳是合法的﹐其實性服務業界也只希望政府能允許一樓二鳳﹐讓她們能互相照應﹐增加打劫/殺人者被抓到的風險。這小小要求﹐會對社會有怎樣的重大負面影響﹐真的只有SB才想像得出。

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-11-25 09:55

don't have much time to reply now...just do a quick one

I think you should open your eyes and see what's going on around the world. The world is changing. Prostitution is not only for uneducated and lower class women anymore. Due to the substantial amount of income, it draws women from everywhere, from high school, university, low teens, house wives, professionals, etc to the job. I'm not 多慮, this is what's happening RIGHT NOW, and people should think about this more carefully and from many sides. The affects is large and deep. People now are changing to think that prostitution has a bad image as before. There's a Chinese saying "Laugh at the poor, but not at prostitutes".

Legalizing in this context does not mean "一樓二". I'm not gonna talk about 一樓二.

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-11-25 11:05

"People now are changing to think that prostitution has a bad image as before. "

I meant "People now are changing to think that prostitution is acceptable just like any other job."

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2008-11-25 14:36

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2008-11-25 09:55 發表
don't have much time to reply now...just do a quick one

I think you should open your eyes and see what's going on around the world. The world is changing. Prostitution is not only for uneducated an ...

I think the problem with this discussion is that you guys have not defined what is the extent of 'legalization' that is being debated. Does this mean people can start multi-billion international conglomarate on the prostitution business? or just legalizing the sales of sexual service in a 1 v 1 basis, or increasing the limit in the maximum number of prostitute allowed to operate in the same place, etc.

I am sure that each person in this discussion will use the most extreme definition for the word 'legalize' during the past 4 pages of 'debate'. Aka, the pro-legal side will say illegalizing means no prostitution ever allowed, 1 v 1 or not. This faciliates their argument of driving all prostitution activities to underground businesses, and putting the safety of prostitues in doubt, etc. while the pro-illegal side will say that legalizing mean a huge industry is allowed living off prostitutes. This faciliates their argument on the over-expansion of the prostitution industry, etc.

I think the discussion will be a lot more meaningful if its about what level of prostitution you think shall be (or shall not be) legalized for the stability of the society, and for the livelihood of people who have little choice but to practice prostitution for a living.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2008-11-25 17:28

原帖由 快樂牛郎 於 2008-11-25 14:49 發表

咁你係咪大清後代先
而家講緊後代問題
唔係法律問題

我係蚩尤既後代tim! 咁又點呀? 係唔係可以食人唔lur骨?

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