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Lik

http://www.mpinews.com/htm/inews/20090214/gb61809a.htm

曾俊華指高官減薪幫助不大 (18:09)
2009年2月14日

財政司長曾俊華出席預算案論壇時表示，高官減人工，所省下的開支，相對政府的支出，只是一個小數目。

曾俊華在財政預算案論壇中，與百多名中學生對話。中學生代表指出，他與特首曾蔭權的薪金，均高於美國總統奧巴馬，如高官一起減薪兩成，可省下1600萬元。

曾俊華回應稱，高官減薪所省的開支，只是每年2000億元公共開支的一個小數目，幫助不大。

他指出，不知道金融海嘯何時完結，但預期經濟情況會愈來愈壞，去年第四季經濟增長有機會變成負數。他最擔心在今年年中時，大量學生畢業，就業情況將會轉差，失業率上升。

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慳得 $2000億係一個小數目？！阿力對太大嘅數字無乜概念，但如果無計錯嘅話，將 $2000億派晒俾 700萬香港人嘅話，每人可以分到 $28萬5千！講真，阿力真係覺得自己計錯咗呢條數，因為每人派 $28萬5千嘅話真係好似太多錢。但要每人派 $5000，甚至學社民連咁話要每人派 $1萬銀都絕對無問題啦？點解你班X街一講到派錢就灑手擰頭，但減自己人工就少一個 bung 都唔肯？！

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-扯火力

[ 本帖最後由 Lik 於 2009-2-14 10:41 編輯 ]

MoiRhapsody

學到野，
多謝Soli。

soli

乜港府突然增聘7千人, 增加政府開支﹐ 加快落實基建等等都唔叫做左野?  
唔通係班顛狗同阿力兄求其狗up幾句先叫做左野?

保守黨一向都唔聽其他政黨既意見﹐ 一意孤行要平衡預算﹐ 縮減開支﹐ 同變賣政府資產。 當時阿力兄好支持窩﹐   係各反對黨以組聯盟奪位黎威脅﹐ 先逼到保守黨轉態﹐  哈巴慌亂之下竟然出左一個可能比新民主黨更左傾既財赤預算出黎。 本來諗住原本支持保黨既阿力兄會表示一下不滿,    點知阿力兄竟然如維園阿伯o甘盲目支持﹐ 死撐到底﹐ 真係令人哭笑不得~

派錢嘅 multiplier effect 低？點底都高過政府帶頭嘅 spending 喎？......而且中下層人士儸到錢之後大多數都會用咗佢來幫補日常嘅生活開資，加強咗個 multiplier effect 之時亦帶旺個市。

唔知幾多人睇都呢段笑左呢?
阿力哥你究竟知唔知個multiplier effect 係點得黎?

美國既問題就好似加拿大o甘﹐ 經常政黨輪替﹐ 經濟政策忽左忽右﹐搞到兩頭唔到岸。 如果打算衰退時要多洗錢既﹐ 經濟好時就應該留D儲備﹐ 唔係忽然右傾玩平衡預算玩減稅﹐ 大陸既一黨專政就唔(好少)會有o甘既問題。

如果保守黨無玩減GST買選票﹐ 執政兩年都儲到百幾億﹐ 再加上跟住五年既GST收入﹐ 財赤預算就唔洗o甘嚇人啦~
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近年香港外匯儲備急升﹐ 主要係外資擁入香港(大陸公司在香港上巿集資﹐ 期望直通車..etc)﹐ 港元需求大增﹐ 金管局於是要入巿沽港元維持匯率(其實同印銀紙無分別)﹐ D 外匯錢就係o甘滾返黎(亦有小部份係任總投資賺返黎)﹐  並唔係榨取香港人而得(顛狗正白痴)。  但呢D所謂外國資金﹐ 唔少係熱錢﹐ 唔好境時﹐ 隨時幾百億幾百億o甘話徹就徹﹐ 金管局就要用外匯儲備黎贖返D港元﹐ 如果用左黎派街坊﹐ 係咪要港元貶值先?

即係將港元貶值黎派錢?   班顛狗係咪痴左線?

讀過 Econ 既阿力哥應該知道GDP 係點計掛?   
港元貶值﹐ 外資加速徹走﹐香港係咪即刻要訓街?

MoiRhapsody

正因為艱難，所以洗錢仲要更加小心，
無長遠回報既，唔做。

peter236

Hong Kong is basically a financial city, with no natural resources. At least, Canada can sell some resources at lower prices to make some money during a recession. It is hard for HK government to generate revenues when the stock market is lousy.

Lik has probably mixed up the foreign currency reserve with the fiscal reserves.

Which government is smarter than the HK government in the world? Not that many. US, UK, Japan? No way. At least, Hong Kong is smart enough to accumulate more reserves during the good times. HK government did cut the property taxes for the last year.

BiscottiGelato

原帖由 Lik 於 2009-2-20 10:10 發表

Peter,

You are entirely correct that the HK SAR government has a lot of $$ on hand (stashed away in the reserves), and example after example have shown how incredibly reluctant the SAR government is ...

Because spending away doesn't get you out of a recession. You can see how people react whenever Bush and Obama is successful in passing stimulus package... People just freak the heck out and run from the US market.

If HK is just like the US and start spending away... HK won't be HK no more and you won't have a HK in 20 years time....

I think soli n such hinted at that the so called reserve, is not an actual gov't reserve, but a reserved used to stablize the exchange rate between the USD and HKD...?

BiscottiGelato

Albeit from 2 years ago...
http://www.american.com/archive/ ... ents/still-the-one/

It's the law and the lack of economic intervention that allowed HK to remain prosperous. Do we really want the gov't to muck around with the economy so much? What do we want HK to become? Canada? or US? (I mean the debt of course LOL).

Lik

原帖由 peter236 於 2009-2-20 03:18 發表
Lik, Hong Kong has lots of cash, way better than Canada where you have to pay off the debt, at all levels of government, over the next few decades. Hong Kong government is among the smartest in the world. Look at the US, UK, Japan, Canada and Eastern Europe, they are all crumbling now.

Peter,

You are entirely correct that the HK SAR government has a lot of $$ on hand (stashed away in the reserves), and example after example have shown how incredibly reluctant the SAR government is in spending any of it on its very own citizens, even during times of extremely dire needs (such as the worst economic crisis the World has seen in 80+ years. Whenever I repeat this rhetoric, you claim that HK has no basis to increase public spendings because the city's low tax rates cannot afford such "extravagance". And now you are telling me that HK has a lot of cash on hands? Do you even know what "consistency" and "credibility" means?

Your claim that "Hong Kong government is among the smartest in the world." is even more idiotic. Anyone with eyes for the last 12 years knows what kind of shxt the HK SAR government has gotten HK into. There were certainly some good deeds being done among the bad over the years, but haven't my previous post (post #86) already shown you enough moronic blunders committed by this utterly brainless government?!

-Lik

peter236

Lik, Hong Kong has lots of cash, way better than Canada where you have to pay off the debt, at all levels of government, over the next few decades. Hong Kong government is among the smartest in the world. Look at the US, UK, Japan, Canada and Eastern Europe, they are all crumbling now.

[ 本帖最後由 peter236 於 2009-2-20 04:21 編輯 ]

Lik

原帖由 soli 於 2009-2-19 21:10 發表
港府做左o甘多野, 阿力兄可以話無做野我都真係服左你囉~

經濟差時我一向都支持增加政府開支(之前阿力兄唔係支持保守黨平衡預算咩?點解一講到香港就轉態?)﹐  但都要有個限度﹐ 而且直接派錢對GDP既multiplier 係最低﹐  仲會增加aggregate demand,  必定會帶黎通貨膨脹﹐ 分分鐘得不償失。

一講到派錢﹐  邊個唔鍾意? D政客就係利用呢點黎撈政治本錢﹐  唔理後果﹐ 本來都無可厚非﹐  最慘就係有D傻仔被利用左都唔知~﹐

大陸過去十年國民平均儲蓄率接近50%﹐  即係賺100蚊, 只會用50蚊﹐  當然有條件去派錢刺激消費。 美國係賺100蚊洗120蚊﹐  仲以刺激消費黎帶動經濟﹐ 只可以話係飲鳩止渴﹐  無辦法中既辦法。。

香港特衰政府做咗咁多野？唔知 Soli 兄係話阿 9up權前思後常之後決定響有入息審查下先肯俾多 ＄300 做生果金而引至全民公憤？定係泰國暴動，但係港府卻遲遲都唔肯派飛機去接返D市民返香港？而到後尾包咗飛機，但又攪到一塌糊塗咁淨係接得幾廿個？定係 Soli 講緊香港特衰政府點樣用特區公安去政治打壓社會運動人士？定係李少光見到香港人俾澳門搵笨實，有證件都唔俾人地過澳門採訪？定係特衰政府做得陰質事多，連車公都要整支下下籤阿發叔嘆？定係特衰政府攪母語教學攪到一 pet 屎咁，而白白犧牲咗一代小朋友嘅補貴光陰？講到呢度，我都淨係講到特衰政府由 2009年開始所做果D陰質事咋？要我再繼續數返轉頭都仲得呀！

記得小弟之前一直支持保守黨政府個 deficit budget，但係就有好多牛鬼蛇神、鬼卒妖孽盟咁話保守黨揮霍無度，為咗私慾不甘被倒台﹐不惜置加國人民於死地：

http://www.loyaukee.com/forum/vi ... &extra=page%3D4

原帖由 soli 於 2009-1-29 03:38 發表
哈巴之前話加拿大經濟極其量只會少少衰退﹐唔需要特別做D乜﹐要平衡預算﹐又話如果學美國o甘勁洗錢就實衰云云。o甘而加財政預算以人均計﹐洗得仲勁過美國﹐o甘加拿大咪實死無生?

究竟係保守黨覺今是而昨非﹐認之前係自己短視無料到﹐錯判經濟形勢﹐定係仍然認為加拿大無需要run deficit﹐但為了私慾不甘被倒台﹐不惜置加國人民於死地呢?

而依家同一條友竟然仲口口聲聲話自己於經濟差時一向都支持增加政府開支。一個月唔使就轉呔轉得咁快，我以為民建聯最無恥嗟，原來有人仲勁過佢地！

派錢嘅 multiplier effect 低？點底都高過政府帶頭嘅 spending 喎？政府帶頭嘅 infrastructure 工程，的確可以為未來經濟復甦嘅時候帶來好處，但洗錢果一下卻只係益到一少部份嘅工業同工人，而且響香港嘅情況來講，絕大部份嘅建築物料會來自內地，而高級策劃就外判，香港本地工人同建造業緊本份唔到幾多錢。反為全民派錢嘅話，相對來講就公度好多，而且中下層人士儸到錢之後大多數都會用咗佢來幫補日常嘅生活開資，加強咗個 multiplier effect 之時亦帶旺個市。

你話美國以消費來帶動經濟，我同意㗎！而且我亦同意呢個係一個無辦法之中嘅辦法。不過人地依家都仲係全球經濟一哥，佢條貴利數欠得起喎？佢唔掂嘅話，全世界都要陪佢一齊 PK，而且佢亦掌管住世界第一貨幣果部印銀紙機。佢要印銀紙，你又吹得佢脹咩？

-力