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作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-5-5 22:33 標題: 想買部機仔去影BB

大家好~
如題, 小弟想買一部"機"去影低將來BB既成長片段.
但係, 我仲未諗到買"相機"好, 定係買"Camcorder機"好, 唔知大家有冇意見呢?
小弟剩係知道BB同小朋友都常都企/坐唔定, 唔知乜野機先可以容易捕捉到佢地既動靜呢?

希望各位攝影高手比d 意見細佬啦!

作者: chobit 時間: 2009-5-5 22:44

My suggestion, Canon G9 or G10, then buy an external Flash for bounce. It's will work very well in most situation, unless you want to get into DSLR Photography! Also, the G9/G10 Video feather should be enough for capturing video as well.

I am currently using a G9 setup doing most of the snap shots.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-5-5 22:55

真感動! post 左冇幾耐就有人答了, 多謝chobit 呀!

小弟對相機幾乎係零認識, 之前用既都係傻瓜機, 仲要係好輕身果d...
上網search 左G9 and G10既specifications, 我發覺佢地既重量比我而家用緊重2.x倍.
有冇d 輕身少少既提議? 我知我好x煩, 又要影得靚, 又要輕...

我真係唔識, 唔知世界上有冇d 咁既機, 所以大家唔好嫌我低B呀~
比d 意見我啦~

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-5-6 08:23

好多好似你呢D新任爸爸都係乜都影一餐狂影喇。。。

小妹最近買左 SONY CYBER SHOT T-90 覺得幾好﹐又易用﹐D 相又靚﹐VIDEO 質素比以前那部 T-7 好很多﹐而且有好多野玩﹐例如響張相整色整水﹐又 touch screen, 真係連阿伯都識用﹐只係 3 舊幾﹐又唔貴﹐你可以考慮一下。。。

當然﹐你聽多D專家意見先喇﹐我買機考慮只是輕便﹐可以細到好似粉合般放進手袋是我優先﹐所以也許我的想法不合你心意﹐看看有無朋友再答你喇

作者: goldie 時間: 2009-5-6 08:27

仲有呀可以監朋友陪你影相，
就有機會試晒佢地D相機囉

作者: chobit 時間: 2009-5-6 08:34

Well.. if you ever use flash on your point & shoot camera, you would probably found that no matter which model and brand, the flash light always tend to make the photo no longer very good. This would be one of my reasoning why the G9 or G10. Get external flash with it, then you will have a camera that can do much more.

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-5-6 08:34

成長片段 I would suggest to go for camcorder.

Since you can record his/her actions while the camera only can record the specific moments.

作者: 小叻 時間: 2009-5-6 09:08

哈哈~~我地未有小孩時已經諗住買部番黎拍成長片段啦~~ 諗住早買遲買都係要買就一早買定~~~

我地年半前買左Sony SR12 既Camcorder~ 唔係太重既~都幾好用(according to my bf) 有120GB HD~~ 不過HD大~舊電都未必last 到好耐(通常4-5小時到) 所以要買定多幾舊電~~ 買個Camcorder啦~~正過相機架~~ 去旅行邊行邊拍﹐去睇煙花時又可以錄低~~ 之後睇番好正架~~ 早D買啦~~ 你遲D出世個BB大個後又可以睇番爹D媽咪既後生look~~ 幾正~~~

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-5-6 09:17

Price point?

As EL suggestes, G10 is your best choice .. ( too bad, price is up now .. no more $419 .. but $500 )

It offers great picture, easy to use, great movie mode ( can zoom while recording and quiet )  fast AF ..  reasonable noise. Just it is a bit big ..

Of course, LX3 is a good choice too, I bought one after read some good review .. however .... few concern:

It is not that small as well, it may look smaller then G10, but way way way more thicker ..  not a pocket size DC anyway. It takes good picture, almost as good as G10, however, you cannot zoom while recording movie. (which is important for shooting little baby)

Of course, if you want a cam recorder, that is a different story ..  ^_^

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-5-6 09:17

好多人影埋響媽咪肚裡的樣子添播 ﹐睇返真係好得意

。。。可惜我細個無呢D科技呢

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-5-6 09:20

好多人影埋響媽咪肚裡的樣子添播 ﹐睇返真係好得意。。。可惜我細個無呢D科技呢
Littleprince 發表於 2009-5-6 10:17

U mean those 3D something? ( somehow, call 4D in HK )

It is kind of cool .. but .. all babies .. look almost the same .. ( asian ) LOL

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-5-6 09:24

我d朋友生完之後都買部camcorder，最後都條擺埋一邊

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-5-6 09:25

I bought a sony camcorder (HDRTG1) just for my trip to the stats couple of months ago. I especially use it to shoot l.v. free shows. Now I bring it with me and I usually just shoot the street scene.

good:
1. it is pretty small and can be turn on on the fly.
2. i like its quality.

bad:
1. it uses memory sticks so I need to buy extra one just in case.
2. it saves the movie as its own format and you need to use its own software to open or convert to other format.

作者: chobit 時間: 2009-5-6 09:42

本帖最後由 chobit 於 2009-5-6 09:46 編輯

Not sure what you mean, but my camera would be able to record 640 @ 30fps or 1024 @ 15fps for at least an hour if not hours..?

There are actually many benifit to use a camcorder over a regular DC. I ended up using the DC more because it takes very little time to get it started: It probably takes 2-3 secs for me to get it start taking pictures or videos after I pick it up. It's very responsive. The battery also last long, and it uses a very common Canon rechargable battery!

Also, you would want to get a camera that has a tripod mount, so that you can record video while you are playing with your baby =D

BTW, you are going to have a lot less time of your own with a baby, video that a saved through the G9 is in avi format which can be posted online, or archive right away. All you need to do is copy it off your memory to your computer just like the jpgs images..!

Just my 2 cents

成長片段 I would suggest to go for camcorder.

Since you can record his/her actions while the camera only can record the specific moments.
myversa 發表於 2009-5-6 08:34

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-5-6 09:47

At the end of the day .. it is up to how you need ... and budget .. etc ..

Good thing for Canada is ..  you can buy, try, refund or exchange .. ( even 90 day if from costco ..  but usually 30 days )

To us, end up I got the S2000 for as the all purpose DC/cam recorder after trying the G10 and LX3 ..  the S2000 is not pocket size, (however, it is light)  but it is for my wife to use anyway, either stay home, or go out with ah big diaper bag anyway ..  it offers good zoom, good movie .. OK pic quality ...  plus 15 times zoom if needed ..  and most important ... half the price compare to G10 or LX3 .. (which cost more then the Sony A300 kit!!)

Another suggestion for a real pocket size DC (with movie function) is the F200 ..  I dont hv the F200, but the F100, which already offer same or better IQ compare to G10/LX3, but the new F200, suppose to be better overall.

Put it this way .. if that is your baby .. it doesn't really matter which camera ..  you will enjoy to take picture/movie.

Ha ha .. as rick rick say ..  I am almost NOT taking anymore movie after the first week ... bt at least, I want to take some movie ..  about his grow .. and can show to his grand parents in HK ..  ^_^

^_^

Daddy CP.

作者: chobit 時間: 2009-5-6 09:52

This is what I mean!!  When you have a baby, you need something that's quick and easy with decent quality, and best do eveyrthing you wanna to do.

At time, you want to take pictures and record videos, and it's not easy to handle a video camcorder and a camera at the same time.  So, you will end up having to have to pick one.

Also playback capability on a good/large LCD would be a good idea.  You will be surprise who much your toddler would enjoy viewing him/herself in both photo and video form. =D

我d朋友生完之後都買部camcorder，最後都條擺埋一邊
ricrick 發表於 2009-5-6 09:24

作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-5-6 09:58

本帖最後由 fibbi 於 2009-5-6 10:59 編輯

My friend got a Canon Powershot G10 recently and just notice that there is a service recall for certain batch...
http://www.usa.canon.com/consume ... e=2112&id=57370
But he got the camera from HK, do you think Canon Canada will fix for him?

Back to MJJ's question, I think I will buy camcorder if I have kid. I can still take still picture with camcorder... And capture kids movement all the time!

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-5-6 10:02

That is Canon recall ..  as long as your friend's G10 is a "HONG" product ..  that is ok ..

And as EL said .. speed is important for baby/kid portrait ..  most DC are too slow ..  ( but for movie is ok ) G10 is not bad for speed ..  but not DSLR ..

Well ..  if budget and size is allowed ..  still suggest DSLR ..  S2000 .. for just $259 .. even just it's HD functiion ..  not bad gum la..  ^_^

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2009-5-6 10:20

What camera are you currently using? Maybe it is already good enough....

anyway, check this links for DC reviews, many of them got newer models, but this is a good reference.
slim group http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Q408slimgroup/
premium group http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Q408premiumgroup/
enthusiast group http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Q408enthusiastgroup/

if you want to get serious, read the DSLR buying guide
http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Guides/dslr_buying_guide_01.htm

作者: chobit 時間: 2009-5-6 10:26

IMHO, no DC is good enough w/o the capability mount an external flash. When I get a chance I'll take a picture with my G9 with the external and w/o show that you know what I mean..!

作者: chobit 時間: 2009-5-6 10:28

Personally, I like the G9 better because of it has some extra video features, + more in the telephoto ends. For wide angle, nothing beat my 12-24mm on my full frame DSLR =P

My friend got a Canon Powershot G10 recently and just notice that there is a service recall for certain batch...
http://www.usa.canon.com/consume ... ategoryid=222&m ...
fibbi 發表於 2009-5-6 09:58

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-5-6 12:25

EL,

I reason I was consider G10 .. is the flash .. however.. once external flash is added .. it is just bigger and bigger .. lol ( new 270 EX may help )

What impress me is .. I am always a big fan for external flash ... however, those new entry DSLR .. such as 450D, D60 .. even Sony .. their built in flash is very nice! ( no matter WB, output ... and u can fine tune it)

作者: daimo 時間: 2009-5-6 12:40

i took a ton of video for my son using the G7. it's a lot more handy than getting the camcorder ...

but for pics ... even the G7 is just too slow for capture children movement.

作者: maanmo 時間: 2009-5-6 14:10

i suggest you buy a canon sx1 is  or canon sx
or a canon sx10 is..  for sale at broadway camera 2008 boxing day  $350
these 2 are standards,

  you can buy cheaper  similar ones with less features
  i would look for  a camera that could shoot high def video
and a variable angle screen  that can flip forward and back ward

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-5-6 14:53

好多謝大家既回覆!

大家既意思都好好, 小弟會細心研究.
不過, 小弟都有少少意見:
1. 應該唔會開flash 去閃BB, 閃親佢就唔好啦~
2. budget 其實唔係一個concern, 因為應該貴極都有個限度
3. 小弟N年前買左一個DV(SONY TRV-30), HKD 10K+, 用左一次就冇用過, 因為佢實左太重, 小弟唔想案件重演
4. 部機應該係我太太用多d, 因為佢實在太鍾意影野了(不過一d 都唔profession 的, 只係想留下念)

小弟而家最想知就係究竟一部DC 適合d, 定係一部camrecorder 好d. 因為我覺得o係呢度蒲得頭既人, 攝影知識一定比我好~

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-5-6 15:01

MJJ .. nowadays ..  I think most people will go for DC with movie function ..

I didn't read all the post .. how about DSLR?  would you consider? say a 500D isn't that heavy at all, and you can use external flash ..  then no worry for 閃親 BB when you use bounce flash. ( I know you want a ligther body .. but trust me .. with new born baby ..  with car seats / stroller ..  diaper ..  milk .. bottle ..  diaper bag .. and the weight of the baby ..  easy .. you are carrying 50lbs + stuffs ..  so 1 or 2 lbs more ..  not much of a different.

If you really want small and light ... then whatever DC works .. and most Canon DC offer good movie function and can zoom while taking movie ..

Back to G10 ..  you can add the 270EX flash ..  it is still light .. and you can do bounce.

^_^

Trust me .. you wont have time to think / play too much on pic/movie .. etc when you have the new born ..  LOL

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-5-6 15:07

CP, I have to trust you as you are the one with the latest "daddy" experience~
For the G10, is there any one with similar quality which is lighter?

作者: maanmo 時間: 2009-5-6 15:15

for today's babies,
high def video is a must
you dont need a camcorder, because you are shoot shot clips, but a hockey game

but a Canon PowerShot SX1 IS is too expensive

read up on its specs, and find a cheaper camera that will do roughly the same job
probably a sony

cnet review of canon sx1
The SX1 IS is a great camera for those who don't want the bulk of an SLR but desire the flexibility of different shooting modes and customisable options, with a long lens. The inclusion of (good quality) HD-video recording just makes the package even more appealing, and we would wholeheartedly recommend this camera for anyone who is looking for a camera that can — almost — do it all.

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2009-5-6 15:32

本帖最後由 siumaibb 於 2009-5-6 15:39 編輯

if budget is not a concern, go for the Leica D-LUX 4

http://www.dcfever.com/cameras/specification.php?id=1048

MAX ISO 6400, F2 should be good in low light environment
VIDEO HD 1280 x 720 @ 24 fps

Sample baby pic in flickr

Sample baby Video in flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/p2wy/3289686104/?likes_hd=1

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-5-6 15:41

For such a particular purpose, I have some personal opinion as below.
- (Please correct me if I am wrong) I think all digital cameras have a life time ("actuation"), no matter point & shoot or DSLR. If you're (or your wife is) going to take quite a few shoots per day even in a casual manner, the accumulated actuation annually might be even more than some not-too-many-jobs professionals. ie., you don't need a DSLR.
- Having the above concern, you can buy a new a-lot-cheaper point & shoot from time to time.
- A lot of point & shoot DC nowadays can handle pretty reasonably good video recording too. Especially it's only for your personal purpose.
- You may consider a more handy DC, that it's not a "burden" for you (or your wife) to carry along anywhere and anytime you go with your bb. And more importantly, in case you find anything interesting that may happen in a lightening flash, you are able to pull out your camera from your pocket/bag to capture the precious moment in time.
- I found somehow the built-in flash on most Canon small DC is much "stronger" or "not friendly" compare to Sony ones. And for the "immediate reaction after pressing the shutter button" (time lapse) is more apparent on most Canon than on Sony. And that's why I got a Sony T-700 some time ago even I like the Canon brand better.
- It's always better to have at least two memory cards/sticks instead of one (even larger memory). For example, especially while you're transferring files from one card to your computer via a card reader, you still have a second card inside the camera in case you want to shoot something interesting at the transferring period of time.
- When you say it's for your wife (mainly) and I will take your word seriously and assuming that she is totally not a technical person to handle this kind of gadget. I won't bother much about any non-necessary tools such as an external flash. Knowing that the purpose and intention and satisfaction of taking pics of a beloved baby by a passionate parent is way different from a professional photographer taking pics for a client. A parent won't concern much about what what technical stuff like depth of field, a little out of focus, a little over or under exposed... etc, all you need is to see your baby in the picture! So don't let any unnecessary burdens to encumber your enjoyment of shooting your bb.
Just my two cents.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-5-6 16:17

本帖最後由 Catpiano 於 2009-5-6 17:25 編輯

CP, I have to trust you as you are the one with the latest "daddy" experience~
For the G10, is there any one with similar quality which is lighter?
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-5-6 16:07

Ha ha .. MJJ ..  no needle with 2 sharp end ..

If you look back ..  few yr ago ..  G1 or G5 ..  etc ..  awesome quality back then .. but a bit big .. and nowaday .. almost any DC offer better quality

For overall SMALLEST and BEST quality DC ..  should be Fuji F200. (again, I only have F100, but F200 should be better, and offer manual control)

You can look at the F100 as well .. ~ $250 can get one, still same or better IQ compare to G10/LX3.

I was looking at a DC with G10 quality, but smaller size .. at first .. I think LX3 / D lux 4 will be my answer ..  however, they LOOK smaller .. but not much lighter .. and MUCH THICKER ..  and dumb lens cover design .. at least, I can fit a G10 in my pocket. (jacket) but hard to fit a LX3. ( or ..  look like nipple . lol )

Just with my experience ..  very happy with the F100. (for small DC)  I can put in my pocket, easy to use, probably best auto WB compare to all other DC .. good battery life, great flash result .. good zoom, wide angle, great high iso performance... it takes OK quality movie as well. With small DC .. I dont care RAW anyway, just want to take pic in jepg, and share!

By the way, those SX200 and SX110 .. seem pretty good for size and price ...  you can do some research. ( I dont hv one, so I can't give any comment.)

^_^

作者: 阿九 時間: 2009-5-6 16:41

其實如果錢唔係問題嘅話，相機同camcorder各一囉！
我個仔歲半，大部份相係出自DSLR，暫時keep得嘅，３千零張左右啦
video clips，就只不過係百零個。但係又的而且確，有時你真係想又相又video，咁淨係一部機又點夠用呢

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-5-6 17:51

For such a particular purpose, I have some personal opinion as below.
- (Please correct me if I am wrong) I think all digital cameras have a life time ("actuation"), no matter point & shoot or DSLR. I ...
Ultraman 發表於 2009-5-7 07:41

Woo~~~~ thanks Ultraman, your 2 cents is very long and useful!
Yes, I really don't think that I need to DSLR. (I can get it from my sister-in-law if I really need it in the future. hehehe)

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-5-6 17:54

其實如果錢唔係問題嘅話，相機同camcorder各一囉！
我個仔歲半，大部份相係出自DSLR，暫時keep得嘅，３千零張左右啦
video clips，就只不過係百零個。但係又的而且確，有時你真係想又相又video，咁淨係一部機又點夠 ...
阿九發表於 2009-5-7 08:41

哈哈~ 我太太係果d 張張相都keep 既人.
小弟深信, 佢一個月就可以幫BB影3千張相了!

兩部機唔係唔好, 不過如果每次出街都要帶兩部既話, 我就唔係咁想了.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-5-6 18:03

Ha ha .. MJJ .. no needle with 2 sharp end ..

If you look back .. few yr ago .. G1 or G5 .. etc .. awesome quality back then .. but a bit big .. and nowaday .. almost any DC offer better q ...
Catpiano 發表於 2009-5-7 08:17

我都明白針冇兩頭利既...

F200 係唔係即係呢一部?
http://www.dcfever.com/cameras/specification.php?id=1092
大家知唔知佢影movie 既時候可唔可以變焦?

忍唔住要再一次多謝咁多位LYK, 你地好幫得手呀!

作者: jh66 時間: 2009-5-6 18:54

本帖最後由 jh66 於 2009-5-6 19:58 編輯

千其唔好買f200,富士d鏡頭唔掂嫁,買Panasonic ZS3吧,影相靚拍片又唔錯,機仔細可以一機二用movie變焦.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-5-6 19:12

千其唔好買f200,富士d鏡頭唔掂嫁,買Panasonic ZS3吧,影相靚拍片又唔錯,機仔細可以一機二用movie變焦.
jh66 發表於 2009-5-7 10:54

呢部好吸引, 我老婆仔正正用開Lumix, 好好考慮~
thanks jh66~

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-5-6 19:33

I was going to pose the ZS3 tim ..  as Pan movie is always good .. not sure if it can zoom and take movie .  not all camera can do it... ( most canon do .. ^_^ _

However, the problem for Panasonic is IQ ..  ( beside LX series ) this is not the big sensor DC .. while both F200 and F100 are big sensor ..

We are talking ~ 2-2.5 times size different .. kind of like D60 sensor size vs D3 FF size.

Again, for small DC .. the SENSOR quality is more important then lens quality ...  of course, good to have both ... ( ie  G10 and LX3, but they both big in size ..  )

Still, probably NONE of the 1/2.4 inch  small sensor DC offer as good IQ (image quality) as 1/1.6 inch sensor.

Also .. depends your price point.. and if you want to keep in small size ..

read this review again:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Q408premiumgroup/

Zoom and AF  during movie is good .. however, the "ZOOMING" sound will be recorded as well ..  lol

^_^

作者: jh66 時間: 2009-5-6 19:56

I was going to pose the ZS3 tim .. as Pan movie is always good .. not sure if it can zoom and take movie . not all camera can do it... ( most canon do .. ^_^ _

However, the problem for Panasonic ...
Catpiano 發表於 2009-5-6 20:33

你要改一改d錯誤既觀念,dc仔既ccd大唔等於質素高,今時今日dc既畫質好壞係取決於鏡頭,及影像處理器,並非ccd既大小.加上富士的ccd超廢,我以前听網上ge槍手亂up買了富士f31就有切膚之痛.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2009-5-6 20:02

My opinion is that, if you don't know what you want to buy,

chances are you won't be able to maximize/understand/familiarize with your camera at all.

so at the end, any one out there is the same.

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2009-5-6 20:02

你要改一改d錯誤既觀念,dc仔既ccd大唔等於質素高,今時今日dc既畫質好壞係取決於鏡頭,及影像處理器,並非ccd既大小.加上富士的ccd超廢,我以前听網上ge槍手亂up買了富士f31就有切膚之痛. ...
jh66 發表於 2009-5-6 07:56 PM

I guess it's personal preference on the images. I was trying so hard to get the F31 back then but didn't. I currently own a F100 and I love the pictures coming out of it!
Specially the low light pictures. It depends on what you want from you DC.
I also used to own a Pannie but it's indoor low light performance was just frustrating. My major use of the camera is for food pictures.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-5-6 20:04

弊喇... 呢鑊甘喇, 有唔同意見添...
小弟真係乜都唔識, 完全冇能力分析, 乜野CCD, 鏡頭呀, 完全不曉...
既然係咁, 小弟會去豐澤睇下富士靚仔, 定係ZS3靚仔, 就買唔靚仔果部啦!

點解買唔靚仔果部? 因為我太太鍾意d 唔靚仔既野(即係我), 所以就投其所好law.

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2009-5-6 20:14

42# mcjohnjohn
But if you wife is used to a Panasonic Lumix, then another Lumix may be easier for her to learn/use.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2009-5-6 20:17

買雞先好呢定買蛋呢﹖

練好技術先買靚機定係先買靚機定再練技術呢﹖

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-5-6 20:43

Ha ha ..  make it simple .. take a SD/CF card with you, go to try few cameras.

Review can be your reference too, there must be some reason why Fuji DC are always highly rated (in term of quality)

LX3, G10, F100 (and F200) now ..  are always highly rated ..

j66 ..  it is weird that you dont like F31 .. even till now, after few years, people still like the IQ from it. (but it is not that great in other area)

Fuji Super CCD ..  always famous.  (not their regular sensor, for example, my Fuji Z100 has quite bad sensor, and not so good IQ)

Of course, not always bigger sensor is better ..  example, D300 sensor is better then DCS 14n (7 yr old FF DSLR)  for sure .. even just app. 2/5 the size ..  however, at the same time frame, same price range, bigger sensor has it's advantage. (ie D700 vs D300)

Anyway, MJJ, go try out different DC ...  say 2 or 3, worse case, after you buy one, if you dont feel comfortable with it, you have ~ 30 day to exchange. My buddy just got his LX3 after 3 week wait ..  and he just exchanged it to G10 ..  ( just he found G10 will fit his need more.)

^_^

作者: SiuBLoDau 時間: 2009-5-6 20:58

弊喇... 呢鑊甘喇, 有唔同意見添...
小弟真係乜都唔識, 完全冇能力分析, 乜野CCD, 鏡頭呀, 完全不曉...
既然係咁, 小弟會去豐澤睇下富士靚仔, 定係ZS3靚仔, 就買唔靚仔果部啦!

點解買唔靚仔果部? 因為我太太鍾意d ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-5-6 21:04

其實上網問意見, 真係預左有一百個答案... 只會越問越多選擇...哈哈.

講真, 家陣部部機既質素都好好, 以前機仔反應唔夠快, 家陣同 DSLR 有得揮; 要邊部? 真係要問自己喇! 因為無人知點至夠你心目中既「細」, 點至算靚仔, 點至夠 function, 乜野 budget...

通常朋友問, 第一句一定問 budget 有幾多, 咁可以篩選好多機種走; 仲有乜野必要 feature? Face detection? Zoom power? Optical Vibration Reduction? HD Video? Memory card type? LCD size? Brand preference? MJJ 太太都可以答, 因為呢o的同影相技術無關. 答完, 最後咪睇下邊間/邊部平, 因為 -- 做老豆最緊要學識 -- 慳錢! 唉~~

至於 camcorder / DC: 我個女出世時仲係用 dv tape, 真係煩過凡帝岡; 為左交差俾海外既爺嫲, 所以影左二年; 之後都係想買部 DC 仔影 video, 用來隨身帶, 因為小朋友唔會等你, 機會一眨眼便過, 方便真係 no 1. 仲有, 湊仔出街已經要帶一籮野出去, 仲帶多部 camcorder? mjj 太一定唔老黎.

少少過來人意見, 只作參考之用.

作者: jh66 時間: 2009-5-6 21:38

富士f31主要係測光唔準,相質軟唔sharp,而家新出既panasonic比如LX3,ZS3等 noise control比富士還要好.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-5-6 21:41

買雞先好呢定買蛋呢﹖

練好技術先買靚機定係先買靚機定再練技術呢﹖
快樂牛郎發表於 2009-5-7 12:17

牛郎兄, 小弟根本冇諗過練技術(攝影方面), 只係想有一部機可以影得BB清清楚楚, 可以photo又可拍movie便可了~

作者: goldie 時間: 2009-5-6 21:50

e家人人都話自己個相機點好點好，
第日BB滿月，MJJ就會吩咐大家帶自己個相機去影佢個BB，
咁一影出黎比較，就立分高下啦。
比較結果，大家將來有BB時可以參考買相機。

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-5-6 21:54

牛郎兄, 小弟根本冇諗過練技術(攝影方面), 只係想有一部機可以影得BB清清楚楚, 可以photo又可拍movie便可了~
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-5-6 22:41

那麼你考慮買我那部喇。。。

唔記得邊部﹖唔緊要。。。係 SONY T-90 呀

而家買送套 ($39。99)﹐ 去 LONDON DRUGS 喇﹐特價 $329。99。 (平時 $350)

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-5-6 21:55

My opinion is that, if you don't know what you want to buy,

chances are you won't be able to maximize/understand/familiarize with your camera at all.

so at the end, any one out there is the same. ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2009-5-7 12:02

牛郎兄, 你好有point, 我真係覺得部部都差唔多!
問題就係, 要o係差唔多既野之中揀一部自己覺得最好既就真係好困難law, 尤其我一向買野都諗得太多了, 成日自己鑽牛角尖...

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-5-6 21:56

那麼你考慮買我那部喇。。。

唔記得邊部﹖唔緊要。。。係 SONY T-90 呀

而家買送套 ($39。99)﹐ 去 LONDON DRUGS 喇﹐特價 $329。99。 (平時 $350) ...
Littleprince 發表於 2009-5-7 13:54

小王妹, 我係港男黎架, 得豐澤同百老匯, 冇London Drugs 架... London bridge 就有, 不過 is falling down law...

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-5-6 21:58

e家人人都話自己個相機點好點好，
第日BB滿月，MJJ就會吩咐大家帶自己個相機去影佢個BB，
咁一影出黎比較，就立分高下啦。
比較結果，大家將來有BB時可以參考買相機。 ...
goldie 發表於 2009-5-7 13:50

我(老婆)已經容忍唔到而家用緊果部DC, 佢快要退休了, focus有問題, 要微距先至focus得到.
等唔到咁耐啦~

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-5-6 21:59

其實上網問意見, 真係預左有一百個答案... 只會越問越多選擇...哈哈.

講真, 家陣部部機既質素都好好, 以前機仔反應唔夠快, 家陣同 DSLR 有得揮; 要邊部? 真係要問自己喇! 因為無人知點至夠你心目中既「細」, 點至 ...
SiuBLoDau 發表於 2009-5-7 12:58

小B老豆, 你既意見真係非常之好!!!
我一直就係諗住要一部機, 一機走天涯! 真係有必要時, 我先會拎番部陳年DV出黎影movie.

budget (我覺得價錢合理俟可以了)
必要 feature?
- Face detection (想要)
- Zoom power (3-4x optical)
- Optical Vibration Reduction (係唔係真係有用架?)
- HD Video (有就好d, 冇都冇問題)
- Memory card type (乜card 都得)
- LCD size (肉眼睇得到就夠)
- Brand preference (只要唔好係熊貓牌之類便可)

就係因為我好似冇乜要求, 我要去一去相機舖睇下自己想要d 乜~
(已經剛剛去左, 待續...)

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-5-6 22:07

小王妹, 我係港男黎架, 得豐澤同百老匯, 冇London Drugs 架... London bridge 就有, 不過 is falling down law...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-5-6 22:56

你說真的﹖

我一直以為你住響度架窩。。。你係咪前一兩年返左去那種﹖

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-5-6 22:08

lunch 既時候去左公司附近既大型相機舖遊玩... 過程節錄如下...
1. 小弟發現d DC 好平... 大家介紹既機原來3千幾蚊(港幣)就已經買到
2. 咁我就睇左以下既機:
- Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS3
- Canon PowerShot SX200 IS
- Fujifilm FinePix F200 EXR
Canon 同 Panasonic 一拎上手... Banned!!! 太大太重了! 我太太一定唔鍾意! (End user 係我太太)
Fujifilm 都叫做好少少, 不過都係重... Banned!

最後, 我終於知道自己係想搵一d 細部d, 適合我太太用既機.
都係果句, 當然最好係細得黎又影得好啦. ^^
(我知我好貪心, 唔抵可憐...)

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-5-6 22:09

你說真的﹖

我一直以為你住響度架窩。。。你係咪前一兩年返左去那種﹖
Littleprince 發表於 2009-5-7 14:07

我係一直都o係HK生活架~
至於點解會上黎LYK? 說來話長了...

(離題...)

作者: jh66 時間: 2009-5-6 22:23

細得黎又影得好就SONY T-90啦.

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-5-6 22:34

邊部個LCD最大，機身最簿，代言人最正就買邊部，d姨媽姑姐老婆小妹一定讚你叻
搞點！！！！！

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-5-6 23:00

邊部個LCD最大，機身最簿，代言人最正就買邊部，d姨媽姑姐老婆小妹一定讚你叻
搞點！！！！！
ricrick 發表於 2009-5-7 14:34

鬼知邊個係代言人咩...

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-5-6 23:10

我係一直都o係HK生活架~
至於點解會上黎LYK? 說來話長了...
(離題...)
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-5-6 23:09

你開個主題講咪得囉 (好想聽)

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-5-6 23:22

吓......富士super CCD超廢????
吓......富士鏡頭唔得？？？？
吓......dc仔既畫質好壞係取決於鏡頭????

Super CCD出d相出名色濃靚，
富士光學鏡都有咁上下歷史....
如果片幅唔係關鍵咁中底鏡頭要求唔洗咁高囉....
蚊滋咁大塊sensor俾蝦蘇你都冇用.....

我諗我真係要重新學過影相囉...........

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-5-6 23:26

lunch 既時候去左公司附近既大型相機舖遊玩... 過程節錄如下...
1. 小弟發現d DC 好平... 大家介紹既機原來3千幾蚊(港幣)就已經買到
2. 咁我就睇左以下既機:
- Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS3
- Canon PowerShot SX200 IS
...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-5-6 23:08

冇可能，
即係你想要1.5L自然吸氣又要有３００匹馬力一樣，
係一個無理既要求。

作者: SiuBLoDau 時間: 2009-5-6 23:29

Oh MJJ... if those DCs are heavy, you may have to consider credit card size DC la. A friend of mine also have a Sony DC -- she just hang it over her neck and snap shots all the time ( despite the expensive memory stick ). Quality is acceptable. And one advantage on Sony DC are they can do HDMI output -- your HD photos /720p Video can be shown on LCD panels in great details. Good for showing 姨媽姑姐.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-5-6 23:37

冇可能，
即係你想要1.5L自然吸氣又要有３００匹馬力一樣，
係一個無理既要求。
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2009-5-7 15:26

就係小弟o係出呢個post 之前都唔知呢一個係無理既要求啦~
正如幾百年前有人要求想飛上天都係無理既要求...

小弟真係唔問過大家都唔知架! 請原諒我對相機既無知吧...

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-5-6 23:41

Oh MJJ... if those DCs are heavy, you may have to consider credit card size DC la. A friend of mine also have a Sony DC -- she just hang it over her neck and snap shots all the time ( despite the exp ...
SiuBLoDau 發表於 2009-5-7 15:29

其實之前開Lumix FX- 唔知乜野, 我覺得得幾輕身, 唔錯.
我同太太又like 自拍, 唔係伸手長一長影自己果隻, 係將個DC擺o係d 支橕物上面, 按時間制之後跑番去影果隻. d credit card size既機, 我真係怕佢大風d 都企唔穩.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-5-6 23:42

買到靚一靚，可能又會話，夜晚室內影bb影到鬆郁朦，正一廢機~~~

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-5-6 23:48

本帖最後由 MoiRhapsody 於 2009-5-7 00:53 編輯

http://review.fengniao.com/128/1280200.html

要靚呢五部。
如果全部都太重而ban的話，
即係你對重量既要求大過PQ,
咁任何一部輕身既玩具垃圾機對你黎講都唔會有任何分別。
或者你可以等多幾百年，可能有衫扭咁大又有中底既成象。
慢慢等。

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-5-6 23:52

鬼知邊個係代言人咩...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-5-7 00:00

買廣告買得最多，香港巴士地鐵大夏外牆周圍都係就買邊部
冇錯既，個個都會讚你叻

作者: maanmo 時間: 2009-5-6 23:52

i saw some nice canon cameras advertised that seem to have cables you can connect

to TV for showing high definition video clips and still shots

i think that would be a very nice feature for a baby shooting camera

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-5-6 23:58

影B, Shutter lag先係killer,
機仔全部廢晒武功，冇F2.0都唔夠快。

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-5-7 00:17

多謝大家既專業意見!
你地知唔知你地每一位o係小弟心目中都係攝影專家?

well, 吸收左大家既意見, 我終於明白自己想要同需要d 乜喇~
登登登... 小弟暫時決定買呢一部 Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-W290
點解買佢?
1. 夠輕
2. 可以企得穩
3. 應該可以HDMI 去我部電視, 將d 相or movie 比親朋戚友睇

希望我冇揀錯啦! 謝謝各位LYK既兄弟姊妹~

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-5-7 00:33

好買唔買，買Sony DC仔......

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-5-7 01:08

好買唔買，買Sony DC仔......
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2009-5-7 16:33

你唔係想學Peter 仔咁叫我買熊貓牌or 中華牌掛?....

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-5-7 01:34

咸魚青菜，各有所好。
只係有錢騏驎唔食去食漢記啫.......

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-5-7 01:47

咸魚青菜，各有所好。
只係有錢騏驎唔食去食漢記啫.......
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2009-5-7 17:34

對於唔識食既人, 食米芝蓮三星係好浪費的.
Moi兄, 不如你講比細佬知, 部Sony有乜野唔好呀?

作者: chobit 時間: 2009-5-7 02:11

本帖最後由 chobit 於 2009-5-7 02:12 編輯

Mcjohnjohn, good luck with you purchase.

I would still like to stress that no matter how a DC u gets, w/o a external option for flash for bounce, you may still end-up with relatively low quality flash image.

Include are some samples I took tonite..! I went to bed very early 7:30pm, and got up around 2am... so I was not able to take those sample pics with my son. I I use my Jazzie as a portrait subject, and my mouse as close up. Each subject is taking with external flash bounce, and build-in flash on the G9.

PS: for the ones without the external flash, it would be much worst if I didn't shoot it in Raw and lower the exposure...!

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-5-7 02:11

本帖最後由 MoiRhapsody 於 2009-5-7 03:38 編輯

冇野，咁既價錢，部部對你黎講都根本冇分別，
對我黎講係乜mode都冇，得個P，真係傻瓜機一部，要多d都冇。
f3.3﹣5.2你要唔開閃光燈影b真係求神保佑.
1/2.3吋CCD,細過蚊滋~~
仲有Memory Stick,唔好玩啦......
Sony除左有minolta血統既單反值得買之外，其他咪搞。

作者: chobit 時間: 2009-5-7 02:30

My opinions about small/mini cameras:

Not sure about everyone else.., while I love to have a light weight DC, most of the time, I really don't like the super slim/mini size DC. One big reason is camera w/o a hand-grip area is relatively hard to handle in compares to DC with hand-grip. I can imagine taking thondsand of pictures with a mini DC which I have to hold with a few fingers touching just the slim edge.

eg. Have u ever use one of those mini computer mouse that's only 2 inches long.., they are small, very un-confortable. Great item if you going to use it once in awhile with you laptop..., but you probably don't want one of those for working 40hrs a week!

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-5-7 02:35

Chobit,我見過有人想唔請photographer,就咁用DC仔影婚禮添呀.......

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-5-7 07:08

Aiya ..  shoot la..  MJJ is in HK ...

Even harder to pick ..  so many C hing ..

Oh shoot .. Canon 代言人 is Jacky Chan .. right? LOL ....

If in HK, you have much more choice, and you probably will buy "water" product instead ..  say LX3 water product ..  $2,xxx ... pretty good ga!!!

SONY  in HK ? MJJ.. you want to join FREEWALKER ??  lol

One biggest problem for choosing DC is ..  the LCD will "TRICK" you ..  for example .. even from 3 or 4 or 5 year ago, Panasonic LCD is much nicer then other ..  but not in real life .. now I may know why some C hing think Fuji camera IQ isn't great, it is true, if you compare picture from the LCD. when I look at my F100 LCD vs LX3 LCD for same picture .. no doubt, pic in LX3 LCD is nicer ..  but when view in the same monitor .. then it is a different story ... so, don't let the LCD trick you are .. unless you want to use the LCD to "tum" those honger  mui mui cha la...  LOL

Too bad, in HK, you can hardly go into one store, and play all kind of DC ..  for sure those sales will kick you out if you do so ..  not as free as here ..

Again, you will get different opinion ..  people will Pan .. will say Pan is good .. people with Canon .. will say Canon is better .. people with Fuji .. will like Fuji so much . people will Sony .. will say "It is a SONY" ..  people will Nikon DC .. will say " damn ..  I shouldn't buy Nikon .. "

And you cannot REFUND in HK ..  after you paid ?  no return ..  LOL

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-5-7 07:48

貓琴，
有人話FUJI IQ唔得我都打左個凸.......

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-5-7 08:11

本帖最後由 Catpiano 於 2009-5-7 09:21 編輯

M R ...

We are old cake la..  ( ok .. I am )

Fuji is famous in IQ ..  ISO .. AWB, Flash  ga la...

Again, I think many people compare pictures from LCD ..... just like if you look at LCD from D300 vs LCD from 5D or 1DsII ..  will think D300 pic is by far better ... but once view in monitor .. or printed . different story....

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-5-7 08:18

本帖最後由 MoiRhapsody 於 2009-5-7 09:21 編輯

CP, I am old cake too la... 3X already.

yes the LCD is a big misleading factor for ppl to buy DC, it fools so many ppl.....
If you want me to pick between Canon X1i and S3 pro, i will go for S3 pro anyday....

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-5-7 08:22

Yee ? you want S2 Pro ? I want to sell mine wor ..

(sorry for OT)

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-5-7 08:25

typo! typo!
S3!!!
S3!!!!!

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-5-7 09:03

( sorry for OT )

but S3 .. no different to S2 interm of IQ wor .. even S5 .. lol

作者: chobit 時間: 2009-5-7 10:32

That could be me

Chobit,我見過有人想唔請photographer,就咁用DC仔影婚禮添呀.......
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2009-5-7 02:35

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2009-5-7 12:09

That could be me

chobit 發表於 2009/5/7 10:32

Maybe they expect to re-marry many times in their lives?
So it's not very cost effective to spend much money on one.

作者: kisstherain 時間: 2009-5-7 12:41

The LCD mon on s3pro though small, is really 誇啦啦! ♥

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-5-7 13:38

win a free one:

http://www.ytamin.com.hk/video_contest.php

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-5-7 16:59

The LCD mon on s3pro though small, is really 誇啦啦! ♥
kisstherain 發表於 2009-5-7 13:41

HEY !! KTR ! LONG TIME NO SEE !

WELCOME BACK !!

He he .. somehow.. I am excited to see your reply .... feel like HOME ! ^_^

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2009-5-7 17:28

HEY !! KTR ! LONG TIME NO SEE !

WELCOME BACK !!

He he .. somehow.. I am excited to see your reply .... feel like HOME ! ^_^
Catpiano 發表於 2009-5-7 16:59

Exactly! I almost couldn't believe my eyes when I saw KTR just posted on the photo board again!!!

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-5-7 17:52

I just got my 50MM 1.4 AIS and ready to shoot my first Roll too!
just in time!

作者: chobit 時間: 2009-5-7 19:33

Yeah.. No Kidding =D

Exactly! I almost couldn't believe my eyes when I saw KTR just posted on the photo board again!!!
BiscottiGelato 發表於 2009-5-7 17:28

作者: jh66 時間: 2009-5-7 19:53

多謝大家既專業意見!
你地知唔知你地每一位o係小弟心目中都係攝影專家?

well, 吸收左大家既意見, 我終於明白自己想要同需要d 乜喇~
登登登... 小弟暫時決定買呢一部 Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-W290
點解買 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-5-7 01:17

就算係買Sony都唔好買w係列,w係列超爛.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-5-7 20:09

就算係買Sony都唔好買w係列,w係列超爛.
jh66 發表於 2009-5-8 11:53

....... 大家好...........
.......... 經大家一連串既知識轟炸之後..........................
................ 小弟已經唔知買邊部好喇......................................

-- 比相機玩謝既麥莊莊字

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-5-7 20:24

介紹左俾你，五部任你揀，係你自己嫌三嫌四之嘛。

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-5-7 21:04

介紹左俾你，五部任你揀，係你自己嫌三嫌四之嘛。
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2009-5-8 12:24

Moi兄, 其實我都好多謝你, 你比左5 部我揀, 只係我自己覺得佢地有少少重jel.
最輕果部應該係Fujifilm既F200, 小弟正在考慮中~

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-5-7 21:09

好明顯MJJ會buy我個套，你地D分析原全吾岩用

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