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作者: siumaibb 時間: 2009-5-25 14:50 標題: Sony launches 3 new DSLR..

Sony Alpha 早幾日出左三部入門 DSLR，分別係 A230, A330 & A380，根據 Sony 講，呢三部機既設計都輕d，細d同易用d。主要係想新DSLR用戶容易d上手，唔須要學好多已經可以影靚相。

"Our new alpha cameras, lenses and accessories make it easier for new users to get the great photos they expect without the steep learning curve that DSLRs have traditionally required,” said Kristen Elder, senior manager for the alpha business at Sony Electronics Inc. “By overcoming the obstacles, we’ve made it much easier for newcomers to take great pictures with DSLRs."

我本身都係用 Sony DSLR，但係聽左佢地既理念之後有d失望，我唔係想話用slr特別d，但係如果買左部slr之後連基本既使用同曝光都唔須要學，咁為咩買slr，買部好d既 point & shoot 咪得囉。

你地點睇？
係唔係以後入門機(Nikon, Canon, Pentax, etc)個trend都係咁？
會唔會覺得咁樣會令到更多想影相既人更用易接近DSLR？
定係會令更多人買左部機先發覺唔係咁鍾意，買左唔多用或者淨係用Auto影？

Anyway, some info about the new DSLRs
(to be honest, the new styling of the cameras is not bad)

A230

A330

A380

作者: daimo 時間: 2009-5-25 15:13

at least they now offer SDHC cards on the cameras ... not just memory sticks.

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2009-5-25 15:19

used to be CF, memory sticks are slow....

作者: kisstherain 時間: 2009-5-25 15:53

I see what they did on the menu to help the user select shutter speed and aperture size. Cute.

Are they coming up with any new lens?

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-5-25 16:00

Well .. even most people say they are ugly .. and just Sony ..

Howeber, I dont mind, I think it is a good marketing plan from Sony, they know who will buy sony, and Sony doesn't want to direct complete with the big C and big N ..  they rather take some clients from Oly, Pana, Samsung, Pantex etc ..

Quite nice and simple design, a bit "LEICA" look ..  but the display is pure DUMB .. however, it is for typical Sony audience ..  even just "New bottle Old Wine" ... but these new DSLR should sell a lots!  Especially for the people who are looking at 450D/D60 etc ...  at least, these 3 Sony ..  look cool! ^_^

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2009-5-25 16:05

4# kisstherain

yup, 2 zooms, 2 primes, sony finally got some cheap lenses....wonder if they are based on the minolta lenses to build or they build them from scratch....
DT 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 SAM
DT 55-200mm F4-5.6 SAM
DT 50mm F1.8 SAM
DT 30mm F2.8 macro SAM

DT = digital...well APS-C
SAM = smooth autofocus motor, compare to the noise old minolta lens i guess

作者: kisstherain 時間: 2009-5-25 16:56

4# kisstherain

yup, 2 zooms, 2 primes, sony finally got some cheap lenses....wonder if they are based on the minolta lenses to build or they build them from scratch....
DT 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 SAM
DT 5 ...
siumaibb 發表於 2009-5-25 17:05

About their 理念... they only care about sales la. They won't care if the buyer only purchased their camera on impulse. They are taking an extra step in widening the dSLR market.
If I have the chance I'd like to try out the Sony system too though my impession of Sony lens is expensive and very expensive (Carl Zeiss).
That copper-colored camera is funky. =P

作者: elan7e 時間: 2009-5-25 20:25

本帖最後由 elan7e 於 2009-5-25 21:44 編輯

有鱷魚皮裝飾更似Leica.

其實同電腦的hardware and software設計趨勢一樣，現在比較注重user friendly. 不是壞事，可以讓更多人接觸攝影。

幾十年前初接觸攝影是由無測光錶的手動相機開始，我們不能要求現今一代走以前的learning curve.
而且是無可能的。老人家可能說我們老一輩基礎好一點，但我們又怎能同年青一輩玩PS玩到出神入化呢？還是要互相學習的ｏ

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-5-25 21:29

本帖最後由 ricrick 於 2009-5-25 22:31 編輯

佢個interface真係太user friendly，好快d認叻人就無得認叻了
for example, 我認用DOS吾可以話用windows吾認用電腦

作者: goldie 時間: 2009-5-25 22:48

對我地D外行人來說，梗係越user friendly 越好。Google 左一下：

"The Sony Alpha A380 costs $850, the A330 $650, and the A230 $550 with the SAL-1855 standard zoom lens. The twin lens kit with the SAL-1855 standard zoom and SAL-55200 telephoto zoom lenses is $1050, $850 and $750 for the A380, A330 and A230 respectively."

(US$) - Is this smart pricing?

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-7-13 08:12

how was the picture quality for these cameras?

Thanks.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2009-7-18 16:11

d雜誌已經話D入門機要學iphone
加埋GPS加埋電話加埋上網
咁就多人買

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2009-7-18 16:12

我本身都係用 Sony DSLR，但係聽左佢地既理念之後有d失望，我唔係想話用slr特別d，但係如果買左部slr之後連基本既使用同曝光都唔須要學，咁為咩買slr，買部好d既 point & shoot 咪得囉。

講理念就唔會用SONY啦
係嘛

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-7-18 19:50

Buying SLR ..  not mean you need to learn 基本既使用 or 曝光 ...

Using small DC not mean u dont know 基本既使用 and 曝光 nowadays la..

even back to 20 or 30 yr ago ..  people with DSLR ...  not always know all the control gei ..

However, for Sony, Olympus, Panasonic  ..  their target buyer is NEWBIE ..  who has NO photography background ...

Of course, same as Low end model from Canon or Nikon, such as 1000D, D5000 ....

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2009-7-18 23:28

However, for Sony, Olympus, Panasonic .. their target buyer is NEWBIE .. who has NO photography background ...

are you saying all four thirds users are newbies?

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-7-19 20:38

Of course not all la.. just their primary target buyer ar ...

Just like civic or Sunfire etc .. are target for new/young driver, however, not all civic are driven by new/young driver, many old cake and c 9 drive civic too!
I have Oly and Sony DSLR tooo .. both Oly and Sony offer higher model DSLR as well, such as their E series and A900, but their marketing plan is more target to first time SLR buyer ar ma ..

Of course, the E-P1 is another story ...

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2009-7-19 21:03

really

imo it's canon and nikon who are targeting first time buyers
at least all my friends' first DSLR were either a canon or a nikon

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-7-19 23:51

買機送技術嘛.
工具黎啫,
識用同情況啱, Stock Corolla都得跑WIN 喪改露筍啦........

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-7-20 00:04

至少CANON 同NIKON有真正 PRE-HIGH END.....
老老實實,
就算係50D都仲係"入門級"啫,
影得方便就得,唔洗咁執著.
不過D 膠殼SLR好好賣就真,
咁至有金做高楷開發.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-7-20 00:30

Aiya .. MRS ..

Your example .. Stock Corolla vs EVO ..  LOL

Seems like whatever brand .. their low end/entry camera .. are getting lower and lower price ..  ( Oly E520, E430, EXXX ..  Sony A300 .. A350 .. A330 etc ..  Nikon D60 ..  Canon 1000D )

However, upper class/higher end body, such as D3/1DIII, 5DII, even D700 etc ..  either price increase, or at least no drop ...

2 yr ago ..  1DIII was $4399 ..  now .. $5199 ..  D3 .. was $4899 .. now.. $5699 ...

5DII is more crazy, announced for $2699 .. then $3099 .. then $3299 ..

D700 ..  was $3299 ..  then $2999 .. now back to $3249 ...  ( Still best overall value/performance DSLR  IMO ^_^ )

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-7-20 00:39

本帖最後由 MoiRhapsody 於 2009-7-20 01:43 編輯

cp. NO　ＳＨＸＴ！！！
BUT still i think d300 is more than enough for me, as I am not making money from it, anything above that is just vanity and will be wasted.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-7-20 08:23

Yes yes .. I am (was) very happy with A300 .. small, light, simple, IS, live view, tilt LCD, good range kit lens ... and cheap .. very cheap ..

But .. since IT IS A SONY .. my wife doesn't like it ma ... I found jpeg from the A300 is even nicer then some Canon and Nikon ..

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2009-7-20 08:29

CP, MoiRhapsody was talking about D300 ah, not A300, I think you and me are the only people on LYK used / using Sony DSLR.

I choose Sony mainly because it is a Minolta, but looks like Sony is trying to stop making people thing Sony DSLR = Minolta DSLR. I thought Sony will take on Canon/Nikon and became the third big DSLR manufacturer but I think I am wrong, they just want a share of the market.......well typical Sony. But I still like my DSLR and PS3....haha

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2009-7-20 08:43

how was the picture quality for these cameras?

Thanks.
myversa 發表於 2009-7-13 08:12

go to flickr and search for Sony A230 / A330 / A380 and you can see some sample picture. IMO, the colour that Sony DSLR produce is natural and 柔和, but you need to compare them with other brand to see if you like it or not. I played the A230 in Sony Store and I think the grip is too small.......

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-7-20 09:04

23# siumaibb

I used Sony too. Since I just got into DSLR, I am pretty happy with my camera so far.

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2009-7-20 09:33

25# myversa

oh, what are you using?

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-7-20 10:29

the A330.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-7-20 21:06

唔好講笑，當年Minolta好勁，可惜我未儲夠錢入7D佢就香左

。
其實Sony如果keep番Minolta個嘜頭，好似Sony-Ericsson咁，可能班老野會順氣d，，，，，，

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-7-20 22:18

Sony Minolta ..

Yeah ..  short form ...

=  S M !!!

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-7-21 00:26

SM

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2009-7-21 10:08

It was Konica Minolta, so after Sony's purchase, it should be
Sony Konica Minolta, SKM, not SM la........

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2009-7-21 10:09

27# myversa

Welcome to the Alpha family, hahaha
How do you like it? Any review of the camera?

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-7-21 12:53

32# siumaibb

I like it so far. Very easy to get into dslr thing. I always forget about aperture and shutter speed but its graphical interface is nice.

The photos are much better than my old panasonic fz18 camera.

To me, it's easy to hold. It also supports SD cards (instead of memory stick only).

I hardly use the lcd screen so the tilted screen did not do much for me yet.

Once I learn more about dslr and take more photos, I will give more detail review.

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2009-7-21 15:03

it is great that you like it. post some pictures here if you can. The lcd will be handy when you are going to take picture in weird angles.....

(btw, sony dslr never take memory stick only, it either takes CF & MS or CF only)

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2009-7-21 15:04

what lenses do you have?

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-7-21 19:22

I have two lens, one comes with the camera and another one is the 55mm~200mm?

Btw, since you are familiar with sony, do you know where I can get cheap wide angle lens?

You can see my signature for the photos I took. They are all from the new camera. I am not that good at DSLR yet. Maybe you can give me some advice.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-7-21 21:01

Tokina 11-16mm is the best choice .. I believe they just release Sony mount .. ^_^

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2009-7-22 09:19

Your kit lens is 18mm-55mm already, still not wide enough for you?

What local length are you looking for and what is your budget?

you can check out this site, lots of info for minolta mount users
http://www.dyxum.com/

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-7-22 12:39

Sorry .. I think Tokina just offer Nikon and Canon mount ..

You can also look at sigma 10-20mm or Tamron 10-24mm

They both not the top notch super wide angle, but they are not bad.

^)^

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-7-22 14:25

I do not need super top notch because I am just learning. Thanks for the advice.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-7-22 15:18

Yeah .. for price price point/performance .. both sigma 10-20 and tamron 10-24 are good ..

For around~ $600

^_^

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-7-24 07:35

Yesterday I went to Sony store to buy a tripod, original price was 79 but they have customer appreciation sales which I can get 25 dollars off. I went to another Sony store and buy extra battery and get another 25 dollars off.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-7-24 07:39

Tripod ? Sony Tripod ??

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-7-24 07:41

ya...... my wife likes it so... I tried it at home and it worked great.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-7-24 07:49

sony tripod..

the one in Black's photo is just $29......

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-7-24 07:52

let me check, check...

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-7-24 07:56

http://www.blackphoto.com/blacks ... duct.jsp?prdId=6779

Not the best in the world, but i think it is a good deal for $29.

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-7-24 08:26

I know I bought it too expensive..

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-7-24 08:50

Yeah .. that $29 tripod is good value .. reasonable solid ..

I wont use it for body or lens .. but it is good for flash etc. ^_^

Sigh .. start wonder why some tripods are $1000 plus ...

Yee ... you guys are "EARLY GHOST" too wor ..

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-7-24 08:54

why some tripod are $1000 plus? I know some comes with the remote but it is not that expensive... wonder what feature does that 1000 dollars have...

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-7-24 09:04

CP, that's good enough for holding those plastic DSLR la!

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2009-7-24 09:22

those sony tripods are not for SLR, they are too light and fragile. You put a $800 camera on a $80 tripod, if the tripod tripped your camera is gone, doesn't worth it.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-7-24 10:22

why some tripod are $1000 plus? I know some comes with the remote but it is not that expensive... wonder what feature does that 1000 dollars have...
myversa 發表於 2009-7-24 09:54

WHY ??

STATUS !!! LOL

Main different .. MADE IN ITALY / MADE IN GERMANY !!  ( just like car )
Of course material too ..  Carbon Fibre Made in Italy tripod .. easy $800-1000 ..  then plus $300-500 for a good head ..

However, for half the price, ( or 1/3 if u buy in HK/China ) those china brand, such as Benro ..  ~ $300-400, you can get a top grade carbon heavy duty tripod, ( look and feel the same as Git!  almost ) and for ~ $100-150, can get a top notch head as well, can handle 25-30lbs.

But for general speaking, ~ $250 can get you a decent tripod+head kit. (ie manfrotto 190 )

^_^

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-7-24 23:58

Manfrotto 190 is a solid tripod.

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